>>55407445 Strange strings is just awful. Sun Ra at some of his worst. Magic City has the whole concept of being a sonic tour of this surrealist city thing going on and evokes a really mystical and busy atmosphere because of that. There's no discernible direction to anything on strange strings as far as I can hear.
>>55407604 That's not a direction hun. The only thing that serves to do is produce thoroughly uninteresting trash and saying that you like that kind of stuff undermines anything you have to say about free jazz because it reinforces the idea that you could literally be listening to anyone shitting out atonal nonsense on a record.
Free jazz is good but a little too structured for me at times, free improvisation is my preferred genre. Like something like Ascension is still so rooted in jazz, it's not true freedom, everyone plays together and then a solo and then they play together and then someone else gets a solo, etc. It's formulaic. Not what comes to mind when I hear the word "free".
>>55407775 Jazz has improvisation, but they aren't usually just being completely random. They are skilled musicians and are attempting to work with different harmonies, etc. Free improvisation IS jazz, by the way.
>>55407775 i thought "free jazz" and "free improv" were two names for the same thing, so i guess im in the free improv camp too, what you describe and more "conventional" jazz i just find inaccessible and kinda dull, i've always put it down to my taste not being mature enough to appreciate it.
this is the kind of stuff i like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYbtwuGh1NA
>>55408076 Supercheria by Pescado Rabioso The best thing was that your song started playing just when they were playing a section for the last time, and when a long sax tone played at an important part of the song.
>>55407960 Yeah, it's odd the way a lot of this music ends up. Because "free improv" (which is a terrible name to give a genre) kind of evolved out of jazz, you get a lot of instruments like sax being used by that camp. That link you posted is pretty thoroughly not jazz. There's no real defining characteristics of jazz you could ascribe to it bar the fact that it has sax. You may as well be calling it free marching band by that measure though. People like Coltrane and demonstrated that the sax could be used to explore a lot of interesting timbres (which is what this kind of music relies on because it forsakes everything else) so you wind up with people in free improv using sax because there's lots of established ideas on how one can manipulate it's sound and it's such a versitile insterument.
>>55407935 Some jazz musicians play it, but no, it's not jazz at all.
>>55407960 Nah, they are very different. Most of the big free jazz albums existed before free improvisation became a thing. Modern free improv is usually considered to have started with AMM. It is sometimes played by jazz musicians but there's a distinct difference. Free improvisation is, by definition, a limitless scope. Some people use electronics, some people use guitars, some people use brass, some people even use vocals, some are reserved, some are aggressive, it's really just whatever.
>>55408126 european free improv came about as a reaction to jazz. these boys saw the black american musicians doing their own thing making their own music and they wanted to do the same. they did not want to play other people's music.
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