This is Reddits essentials chart from r/indieheads.
>Being so pretentious you still cling to the old definition of "indie" music being independently produced when literally everyone knows what you mean when you say "indie"
I love this meme.
ITAOTS, Doolittle, TGP2, On Fire
dummy, LCW, Black Foliage, OKC, PP, LAGWAFIS
mpp, strawberry jam, hospice, funeral, AM, beach house, bon iver, death cab, flaming lips, fleet foxes, gorillaz, grizzly bear, interpol, LCD soundsystem, MGMT, TM&A, national, give up, IR, Kid A, Actor, Illinoise, Lonerism, Strokes, White Stripes, XX, Vampire Weekend, Wilco, American Football, Odelay, B&S, Bjork, Bonnie Prince Billy, The Cure, Dinosaur JR, Emergency and I, Elliott Smith, FLips, Oasis, Pavement, Sigur Ros, Smashing Pumpkins, Smiths, Daydrem Nation, Weezer
All it means now is that it identifies with the indie culture. When you think of "rock" are you thinking of a harder-hitting, guitar centric combination of country and R&B popularized by Sun Records? That's what rock was in 1956 but now it means something different, just like indie
You don't understand what ad hominem is.
Calling you retarded because you said something dumb isn't ad hominem because there is no causality going from retardation->statement.
Stating (or in some cases, Implying) that what you are saying is wrong _because_ you are retarded is ad hominem, because I am citing your retardation as cause for you being wrong (retardation->statement) instead of addressing what you are saying directly.
You are further retarded for not understanding the above statements without me explaining them to you.
Furthermore, cultural context is frequently more helpful in describing music than "objective" descriptions (which do not exist, lol) because they allow for an understanding of what is going into the album / what is happening around it to influence it. This is where you have "scene vs. genre" arguments popping up.
The whole argument "descriptive vs cultural context" is idiocy because they are two sides of the same fucking coin and work best when used in conjunction.