New Jazz listener here, Kamasi Washington's new album got me into the genre. I've started listening to stuff like John Coltrane and Miles Davis. All three of these artists sound the same to me. Each song they're all playing a Sax over some drums and and a piano. I think I enjoy their music but why does Jazz music lack so much diversity?
Maybe I'm listening to Jazz wrong. Can someone enlighten me?
I'm not really talking about Kamsai's album - I liked it. I'm talking about Jazz music and its lack of diversity. It's hard to tell Kamasi Washington, John Coltrane, and Miles Davis apart. They all sound the same. Each has the exact same instruments in all their songs, no more no less. (Kamasi might have a rare synth at the end of a song)
You mentioned listening to Coltrane. Take a listen to these, from different periods in his career. You really think they sound alike?
you fuggin serious mang
>New rock listener here. the new Blur album has me listening to rock. I've been getting into Led Zeppelin and Bob Dylan. They sound exactly the same. Vocals over guitar and drums and bass. Maybe I'm listening to rock wrong?
Well let's start with the basics. Like reading the liner notes and credits for example.
Miles Davis plays trumpet, Coltrane plays sax, Davis' most popular records feature Coltrane on sax...
This is why Davis and Coltrane sound the same sax wise, because its the same sax player.
OP here, seems like I struck a chord (kek).
Here's a demostration of how I'm baffled at the lack of diversty in Jazz. Compare these songs performed by Kamasi Washington, John Coltrane, and Miles Davis. They're very hard to distinguish.
If i played these songs to someone who has no knowledge of Jazz, they would think they're a part of the same album.
Furthermore, miles and trane have completely different styles. One plays very deliberate, one plays more wild and intensely. Like the difference between David Gilmour and Jimmy Page.
I genuinely hope you're not trolling. If not, I can totally relate, as I felt the same way when I started listening to jazz. Here, though, are a couple songs performed by one of my favourite musicians:
Five Spot After Dark:
Saxophone, trombones, trumpets, and clarinets all play prominent roles in jazz music and each has its own different taste. I have a preference towards trombone and clarinet, myself.
Here's Buddy DeFranco performing "The Things We Did Last Summer":
>/mu/ user listens to memejazz album because meme reviewer made a video saying it was good
>/mu/ user assumes the memejazz must be good because because memecritic said it was and /mu/ user has never heard anything like it
>/mu/ user decides to listen to more jazz
>/mu/ user doesn't put any time or effort into paying attention to or understanding jazz
>decides it's boring
>turns to avant garde/spiritual/aggressive free jazz because it has weird instruments, neat costumes, and loud noises
>develops a faux elitist attitude and thinks that avant garde jazz is the only good kind
now I understand the cycle
Well, no. Not really. That's just a part of the diversity. Each instrument has its own sound, but just as vocals can form sounds we percieve as sounds that tell stories or otherwise convey information, so can instruments form sounds that can capture an atmosphere and do the same, though more vaguely.
It's the same as classical, or really any instrumental genre of music. It's just emotion, atmosphere, and story through sound.
Example: Listen to Prokofiev's "Peter and the Wolf" with words. Then, listen to it without the words. It turns out that the music itself is composed in such a manner as to tell a story.
Also, I'm glad you like "Five Spot After Dark". It's pretty great, imho.
As someone who doesn't listen to jazz, I can agree with OP... sort of.
I think they sound different enough to be distinguishable, but not so much that I'd want to listen to more than one or two of them. I like Jazz as ambient music, but couldn't just sit and listen to it.
To be honest though, it might be familiarity (or in this case, the lack thereof)
Yeah I think I get it. I'm usually good about getting into the the atmosphere of what I'm listening to, I think that because Coltrane plays sax a bit on "Kind of Blue" I thought Davis and Coltrane were similar in sound. Also thinking too much and not really feeling the music I guess.
Right. Unless you're specifically educated or trained in a manner that allows you to do so with ease, it's almost a waste of time to actually try and pick out individual patterns while listening to a track(though, by all means, if you'd really like to do so, go ahead. You may be more perceptive than I).
Just sit back and listen to the story the musician is telling. Even if all you can pick up is vague emotion, sometimes that's all the artist needs to convey.
>Wow i Just saw this picture of the album and wrote all this before i even read this text. whatever.
This album is Epic for sure, I had the chance to download a copy a couple days before the release, I really need to see this band live.
Today I woke up listening to Claire de Luna from this record, I fell asleep to it. For sure its my favorite interpretation of it as John Clotrane's my favorite things is the best interpretation. I was honestly looking for a vynal of this record today but sadly found out its only for digital money download and a three disc CD. I hope they produce a collectors vynal or something. This album makes me feel positive for jazz. Now someone needs to do this to Reggae.
Your brain isn't as used to hearing the subtleties in the music then.
Do you think Rush sounds the same as Nirvana? They both feature the same instruments and same lineup.
Playing dynamics, melody/note choice, structures, chordal movements, the role of the bass etc - there's lots more different components which separate different jazz artists of the same instruments.
it's important to remember that saying when you say Coltrane's sound you just mean that one album you listened to. Coltrane also makes transcendental avant jazz noise albums too, and things all in between.
To hear some more diversity, take a listen to another seminal jazz album, Out to Lunch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cklbhkm1HrE