So FlyLo has really been inspiring me for a while. As of now, I just make shit beats in fl studio 11, but I really want to get more into sample editing/chopping, and more experimental type stuff.
But I'm a newb and need to start from the beginning. Right now all I have is a laptop, some audio technica headphones, and a midi keyboard. I figure I'll need an audio interface and some studio speakers. I was going to re-learn piano and learn some music theory stuff.
I was wondering if I should switch over to ableton and stop using fl studio. I heard flylo uses it and I also heard it's a good daw for editing samples and such. Should I bang out the 750 dollars for live 9 suite? Or should I just get standard? I used ableton before and I was lazy and didnt want to learn it so I quit and used fl studio instead. I was going to try the 30 day free trial of suite to get accustomed to it again.
>So FlyLo has really been inspiring me for a while
I wonder why is FlyLo, out of all producers, the one inspiring all these 17 yr old kids making boring, cookie cutter #chillbeatz #plundafonics and their shitty soundcloud pages nobody cares about
like there is a gorillion producers out there a lot more interesting/better by almost every measure than FlyLo.
>more experimental type stuff.
does not matter what daw you freaking use. you just need to learn every inch of it.
also flyo made cosmogramma off reason and pro tools
Ableton and fl studio both have a ton of tutorials on youtube. just stick with fl studio and audacity
it's gonna take you atleast 5-6 years before you start making decent music
It's not them trying to emulate their sound, theyre trying to emulate their spirit
The "i dont give a fuck, im gonna release a ton of random albums, be edgy, be totally punk and anti-establishment, and viral my music everywhere" spirit
Vaporwave fed off that same spirit, but helped grow the "i can make a shitty album in a few hours and get a ton of people to listen" mentality more than death grips.
The EDM producers are in the same realm as the vaporwave producers though.
No one label sparked anything.
Shitty beat makers have been around since the dawn of the technology.
It's just the internet has made it easier to find them.
Some artists or labels may have sparked FOTM trends but that's it.
As a native angeleno that's fucking depressing you'd do that (unless you moved from the IE or OC I guess)
If you think it's dying now it's been like that for years, even when the better Brainfeeder albums were coming out.
>The "i dont give a fuck, im gonna release a ton of random albums, be edgy, be totally punk and anti-establishment, and viral my music everywhere" spirit
That has literally been around for decades older than DG and even Punk.
DG nor Punk created it.
You people need to stop.
DG were a spark.
I understand they inspired many to try to make shitty experimental music.
I realize they were influential enough for Beyonce to knick their gimmick.
But this kind of thing predates them but you don't hear about it because the internet is young.
OP here. Some of you need to calm the fuck down. It's not my fault "the LA beat scene is dying" and it's not my fault vaporwave exists. Nice job hurling all that rage in the wrong direction. You talk shit to some guy that wants to get started but have any of you actually put hard time in and made something substantial? Because if you did, I have a feeling you'd be interested in at least giving a small piece of advice to a beginner instead of blowing a fucking gasket at him for trying to learn. Jesus fucking christ what's wrong with you people.
And hurr fucking durr, "i smell underage" fuck off. As if being older makes you somehow such a great music critic? Im 19.
I don't just like flylo, I like listening to aphex twin and bibio as well, but that doesnt even fucking matter because if I cant name off every studio album and release date then you fuckers will want to crucify me for "not really being interested"
Im sad I even made this fucking thread
OP wasn't asking for people to moan about the LA beat scene, or vaporwave, or soundcloud kids
I go on /mu/ maybe once a week and every time I'm quickly reminded of how absolutely useless this place is
it's not as much about hearing the difference as it is about the results that come from the way each program makes you approach music. sonically the end product isn't that different
OP, I've got ~250 songs made in FL at this point and honestly you should just stick with whatever you have at the moment, and get good at it. No DAW has limits, only its user does.
Also, when using VST presets fuck with all of the parameters and see how the damn thing actually works. You'll get so much farther ahead making your own presets and arp sequences and such
>I don't just like flylo, I like listening to aphex twin
lmfao forgot "and BoC, the list goes on"
listen man, at the end of the day it doesn't matter what DAW you use, its about how much time you put into it. You could use Audacity ffs if you really wanted.
And questions like yours are tedious (because there is no "answer". If you had asked 'any differences between ableton and FLStudio', then that's a much better question. PS: Ableton lacks the 'piano roll', which makes FLStudio better suited for people making beats/grid based stuff, and for laying down quick ideas. Other than that, and the workflow in general, they both do more or less the same thing) and belong in the /prod/ thread. Don't feel bad that an interesting discussion is taking place
That's half the point, they spread the ideal to the internet and used the platform in a way never used before (so publically at least). And the "predating" is the punk scene my friend, as I already said. It's really about bringing it to the eye of the public, whether or not it was there before or not; that's when it really starts to have a profound effect on the rest of the music scene around the globe
I love teebs, it makes me sad how little credit he gets, compared to FlyLo for example. I'm the biggest flylo nut hugger there is but recently I find myself enjoying Teebs more. Looking forward to hear more from him
I agree that Ardour is a bit same-y, but I think he kinda fixed that with Estara. The songs are fewer but a lot more developed and interesting imo. Tiny example, on Ardour the drums and percussion all sound very similar. Compare the drums on "Shoouss Lullaby", to "Hi Hat", to "SOTM" tho. Every track is unique in a way that they weren't on Ardour
No they didn't lol they're on tour, shows sold out, selling for a stupid amount of money, making a new album that was the top trending story on fb for a day. /mu/ is not everybody.
yeah but they were pussies who didn't stay broken up when they said they were. the whole act of them going back out on tour was a huge letdown honestly... It's like when you get back with your ex- girlfriend after you guys broke up and she slept with a couple guys and like the love is still there but it'll never be the same
>I realize they were influential enough for Beyonce to knick their gimmick.
Jesus christ you faggots, dg didn't pioneer the practice of releasing an album with no prior announcement, especially on the internet era. There are two /mu/core artists that did it earlier.
>he cares about "artistic statements"
unless you know the real reason why the broke up, you can't say it "was an act!!!!1!!!"
ps no one knows why they actually broke up except the bandmembers themselves
they haven't spoken on it
>they have nowhere else to go
an opinion honestly
>would have been a stronger artistic statement
I'm sorry, are you the master of the art world? Do you know what the statement was from the start? Are you the decider of what is and isn't artistically sound?
Dang, guys I think we're in the presence of the one and only true artist! WE AREN'T WORTHY !!!
>unless you know the real reason why the broke up, you can't say it "was an act!!!!1!!!"
They told us though, they ran out of steam and didn't know what the fuck else to do with it. But shekels are shekels, and nothing gets you more than a rabid group of middle-aged white kids with their parents money.
their break up "note" states that they were a conceptual art project. Imo I think they got back together cause they needed money because they're probably all in debt from breaking their original recording contract.
>They told us though, they ran out of steam and didn't know what the fuck else to do with it.
They ran out of money dumbass. They were probably broke as fuck so they had to stop. It doesn't mean they ran out steam to make new material.
> But shekels are shekels,
>jewlluminati meme money
>and nothing gets you more than a rabid group of middle-aged white kids with their parents money
But you're white
Doesn't mean I throw all my money at every new and trendy FOTM artist.
But no, they also ran out of good material because everything post-TMS was shit as I said.
OP. Don't worry too much about DAWs. Try out their demos, see which one you like best. I believe Flylo used Reason up until Cosmogramma, and switched to Ableton during the making of UTCQ. So choose one and start making stuff. It will take a lot of time to make something good but the dopamine reward is the best thing about it.
>Doesn't mean I throw all my money at every new and trendy FOTM artist
>But no, they also ran out of good material because everything post-TMS was shit as I said.
GP is literally B & C side instrumentals.
TPTB were also b-side tier and them taking fucking forever and splitting it up completely killed the hype because of how underwhelming they were.
Are you quoting yourself?
I don't agree with that guys opinions.
Nice job on misunderstanding me though.
>Opinions can be be right or wrong.
I don't agree with your opinions, and they went into the trash (4 me).
FLStudio is the best DAW nowadays for electronic music. There are 0 reasons to use any other DAW but FLStudio if you are not going to record live instruments. Just for the Peak controller and "ghost notes" alones beats all the competition.
Tweak synths and improv crude sfx/arp sequences
Get a chiptune vst
Get a fender rhodes (vst)
Learn extended/contemporary, fat gospel chords
Get an MPC, practice finger drumming by listening to J Dilla and Pete Rock
Smoke weed and record a beat live (min. 200 measures)
You are FlyLo.
i dont like FL but not for the "le pleb daw" stupid ass argument, i just find ableton so much straight forward and easy to use.
im still a new at prod but is kinda easy if you just keep doing shit.
thats literally all you have to do, not stoping.
sidechain your way into succes nigga
those numbers speak the truth
specially the 44 one
>The bounciness of NOTM with Ride's insanely obscure and even trippy vocal delivery.
>The underrated genius of Government Plates, and Ride's consistent themes of paranoia, shots at L.A Reid, and the fucking beauty of Whatever I Want
As a fellow newb, lemme just say that switching to Ableton wont change anything if you suck. Just have fun making beats in FL, try to recreate beats you know, get decent at it. Then, once you actually need to do something that you cant do in FL switch to Ableton.
>like there is a gorillion producers out there a lot more interesting/better by almost every measure than FlyLo.
Can you name some? I'm not saying I don't believe you, but I really don't know of any other producers as good or better