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Why should we preserve the wilderness?

What kind of discoveries has makind made in the wild and what potential does the wilderness hold for man today?

Should we consider ourselves equal to the rest of the biodiversity that inhabits the wilderness?

Should we approach the preservation of the wilderness without putting human interest first?

What do you guys know or think about the wilderness in general and how does it interrelate with science?

Have you guys read any good scholarly articles about the wilderness?

I want to hear what /out/...
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We shouldn't bother. We dont even have a country anymore
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>>872995
>Why should we preserve the wilderness?
1) the majority of people enjoy it it's calming too much hassle to live in it but we like the occasional visit and future generations will too. one could argue you have a right not to go in the woods if you don't enjoy it but can't take the woods away from the future generations.
2) earth ecosystem is complex farming is necessary to provide us with the raw calories but it doesn't not provide enough biodiversity for it all...
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>>872995
It's the only place white people can get away from black people, anon.

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How have you prepared for loss of satellite navigation systems in a SHTP scenario?
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I have a compass
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>>872912
Local maps?
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>>872913
Of course. Printed on Tyvek.

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I was borrowing a friends alice belt, aka pistol belt, and she asked for it back.

So now I am in the market for a new one.
I cant figure out which is which. Alice, LCE, ILCE, there are a ton of names.

I need a belt, and some large, soft pouches. I use these when camping, and at festivals. I attach all my shit to them, water bottle, photo gear, knives, etc.
I keep everything else in the pouches. Lighters, ID, money, etc.

I honestly have no idea what the proper names for these items are, and in turn having a hard time finding them for sale online.

I'm...
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00P40SAJY/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1476136391&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=alice+belt&dpPl=1&dpID=51A-USC3WsL&ref=plSrch I find Amazon to be a pretty good site for milsurp.
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>>872816
Thanks the " M-16 Ammo Pouch" looks very similar what I had before. Sans the plastic lock. But searching for that yields too many variations on the item. Is there a more specific name for that type of pouch?
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>>872833
ALICE stands for All-Purpose Lightweight Infantry Carrying Equipment, its a modular system of gear for carrying and individuals immediate necessities.

The pouch you are looking for is known as an ALICE small arms pouch.

I like ALICE gear because I'm a fag for Nam stuff, but to be honest with you a modern Combat Belt is better in every way to ALICE.

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Lets tell stories of times we caught the big one, or fucked up big time.

>Be me
>Be 14
>Im out fishing for steelhead with my dad
>Good times
>I have these nice waders my grandpa gave me
>Also have a G. Loomis rod (from before they were shit)
>Getting no bites
If you have never fished for steelhead before then you should know that the little...
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I have one
>Be at the pink salmon run in 2014
>Was a record run
>and for good reason
>Go out to fish a little bit, not expecting to catch much
>Sit out there for a bit, dont get a single bite.
>after the 4th cast I get a bite
>Im ecstatic since I never catch anything.
>Real the feisty little bugger in and put him in the bag.

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>>871909
>*reel
God im a fucking nigger.
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>>871906
Damn that sucks, your dad's incessant laughter probably didn't help.

>Search catalog for primitive technology
>no thread

Even /tv/ has a thread for the new vid

https://youtu.be/rrlr02YDr5A
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>>871598
Primitive is the only way to truly go /out/
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>>871602
I think it would be an interesting experience to go /out/ for a few months and see how far you could go doing nothing but primitive tech. You go with the clothes on your back and that's it. With the intent of making your own clothes at some point.
It's like irl age of empires.
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>>871598
went out and tried it. It's pretty impressive how far he gets that thing to go. you can really get some force into the throw though.

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So guys, if this whole Russia vs the West thing boils over into conflict, and/or if the predictions of a second 'little iceage' in 2019ish occur, whatcha gon do? Would going /out/ even be preferable in either of those situations?
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Depends what sort of situation it is. Total war? Probably go out, most people will still be in the cities. If it's nuclear conflict there's little I can do anyway so I might as well get comfy.
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Total war, I'll probably die (in the military), mini ice age, Cairns where I live will probably be a nice temperature
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>>870528

2nd? We've had multiple ages in the last 300 yrs alone. Nothing special.

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Ok /out/bros, if 4chan suddenly shuts-down, where are we all gonna link-up? Is there another forum or interhangout we can all be together again, or will it all be over forever? I don't want us to get torn apart like that, and given the current situation I think we should be prepared for a potential blackout.

Also, New Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread General
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>>870424

7chan

Or any of the other chans: http://www.allchans.org/
https://www.1ch.us/
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>>870444
But that's too many options. Will everyone be there anon? Will Peps? Will Geeps? Will Dr Dræ be there?
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>>870456
I think overtime one if them will become the new 4chan; one of them will succeed and by then the majority of people will already be apart of the community, or st least spent some time lurking around.

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If you are a newfag: a school bagpack, a foam sleeping mat, a secand hand sleeping bag, a home depot tarp, sandwiches and beer is really all you need for an overnighter. No need to get high end shoes or a fancy tent. Trust me, its that easy!

In case you aren't a newfag: please post pics that would be good to illustrate gear. Nothing fancy, just pics where the item is on a light background and clearly visible.

Also, point out mistakes in wording or factual statements. We want to make this one better over time.
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>>865524
I'd highly recommend a decent little tent 'two person', its way better then using a shitty tarp especially in wet weather.
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>>865524
Flashlights are kewl too
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>>865524
>Winter almost here
You're going to get some people killed.

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What music do you listen to while /out/? Also what's the most /out/ album? i vote pic related
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It depends on what i'm doing. If i'm just relaxing by a lake or pond I usually like to listen to Loren Connors Airs, but if i'm hiking I like to listen to jazz (Kamasi Washington The Epic) or ambient (Andy Stott Luxury Problems). Just situational.
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>going /out/
>plugging /in/
i know different strokes for different folks, but for me being /out/ and listening to music are incompatible
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I swear in the last few weeks I've seen the Microphones (especially this album) posted everywhere.
No complaints here though, that's a top5 album for me.

Are teardrop trailers /out/ approved? I have access to all the tools I'd need to build one (including welders).

Should I? I also drive a fullsize truck so I might have other better options.

What do?
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>>862118
The only drawback is no stealth camping. Deal breaker for me.
Spent a cheap vacation last year going up the west coast camping near beaches. Would have cost me a fourune to be in those places legally
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>>862118
Screams, "Screw my doors shut with a drill driver and me inside and take everything I own.".

Why is that?
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>>862118
Wish i could get one but i dont have a car. Would be perfect driven around just sleeping on dirt roads.

Lets see our sc/out/ vehicles! What do you drive to your adventures?

mine
1999 Land Rover Discovery TD5 Hemi Diesel
I'm slowly converting it into off road rig. stock image cause my phone got cracked while in Cherokee..
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>>843129
I like land rovers in general- but you'd never make it out here when it gets muddy.

Random internet photo but this is what my back 20 looks like when it rains.
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>>843230
Everytime I see things like this I chuckle.

Since mud especially pic related. Is mostly water. Idk why off road guys dont just seal up the 2/3rds of their trucks/cars like a boat. Put some decent knobbies on for pedal purposes and chooch right along mud. You can cross mud like that in a honda civic, as long as it could float like a boat. Such a simple solution nobody ever thinks of. Well. The us military did... I suppose maybe its more expensive then jacking your truck up 12 feet in the air. Idk really tho.
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>>843250
I'd bet that driving what he has is more fun. A utilitarian solution is not what they are going for.

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Guys I live in the city with no reliable means of transportation to go someplace cool. I'm also in college so even if I were to bike somewhere far and try to stay out there for a bit I would have to come back of course.

So for now I'm just planning on going to the pic-related area, Mt. Airy Forest. It's only like 1500 acres but I want to just get out there as much as possible because I'm tired of sitting around at home.

So I went ahead to their website for a map and this was the only one they had. Apparently all the trails in red are closed?...
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>>875083
Trails get closed for multiple reasons.
Sometimes trails are cycled through- once one area starts to show signs of use they're closed so they can recover and others are opened up.
Sometimes its because of a protected species breeding during that time of year. This might be something as small as a rare butterfly.
On occasion its a safety concern- sinkholes, abandoned mines with dilapidated barricades.
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>>875131
Makes sense, thanks m8
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>>875134
But you shouldn't go into closed areas.

Mt. Charleston in Nevada has a rare butterfly that may be extinct now because of a fire a couple years ago- the fire was centered in their only known habitat.
So even if it makes no sense why an area is closed, it could be for something very important. Stepping on one Mt. Charleston blue butterfly caterpillar could mean the difference between survival of the species or extinction.

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Hello, /out/. I'm going to a hippy festival inspired by Burning Man tomorrow. I'm not much of a hippy at all, for the record.

Some of the core tenants of the festival are self reliance and bartering. My experience with outdoors is limited to watching Ray Mears and a camping trip once, but I've always wanted to get into bushcraft, so I figure this might be a cool opportunity to give it a try.

I'm not expecting to accomplish anything too complex, but I want to try some basic stuff, hopefully even starting a fire on my own.

Could anyone...
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bacon

not even playing. i have a couple cousins who are pretty serious burners, and bacon is their go-to currency
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>>874791
thats a good one.

if its more than two days you can use fresh socks as great currency.
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drugs

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How do you guy's feel about Hill People Gear? It looks decent but it seems overpriced.
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It's a cottage company, small batches of extremely high quality gear. Make more money poorfag.
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>>874442

It wasn't that I wasn't able to pay for it. I just didn't want to drop a couple hundred dollars on gear that's going to break in a month
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Looks like 25 yearold Chinese garbage you bought at Goodwill

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Where are the cheapest parts in the US to live for somebody that enjoys fishing and camping?
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>3 handles on a gun

Damn it go back to playing video games with that gun design
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>>874414
That is Ahmed and in 5 years he will suicide bomb your favorite Chucky Cheese.
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.>>874420
I can only hope that ignortard is present for that, famalam.

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How have you guys been preping for a zombie outbreak? I have some sources that claim there's a good chance one will happen sometime soon. Post your gear/books/plans!
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This is the most retarded post I've seen all morning
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>>874022
>zombies

Lay off the vidya games and get outside more champ.
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I don't think zombies are an issue, but its funny that so few people know that they actually exist.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiocordyceps_unilateralis

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I did a quick search of the catalog, forgive me if I missed a more relevant thread. This isn't my native board.

I just moved to the American north-midwest from the more temperate east coast. As I'm preparing for the nearing winter, I'm trying to find good, durable brands of clothes/equipment, but it's difficult separating the wheat from the chaff.

What would your recommendations be for gloves, boots, thermals, and car emergency kits? I already have a nice AI parka, so I should be good there.
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>>874010

The autism increases from right to left. Neat. I didn't even read your post but its probably shit.
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>American north-midwest

Just say the state you are pretending to be from you pretentious faggot
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>>874028
assumptions make you an asshole

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How do you pack eggs while backpacking, out?
Dehydrated eggs aren't as good as the real deal and the plastic egg containers are a waste of space as soon as you use your eggs.
I'd like to crack half a dozen eggs into a thermos along with chopped up veggies and precooked bacon for a comfy first morning meal. In cooler climates this would be fine year round but I'm in the southeast US so I'm worried about spoilage when the highs get into the 80s and 90s over the summer.
Anyone have any ideas?
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Train a chicken to follow you around.
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A ziplock of ice in the thermos?
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Get eggs in a paper carton, burn it when you're done?

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>Denver here

I've been hiking to a few spots around the Evergreen/Lakewood area. Any recommendations from /out/.??
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>>873594
Try heading up 285. Reynolds park and Staunton state park are nice.
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>>873594
I drove through Breckenridge to pick up my GF recently looked like there would be dank hiking up there
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>>873594
Everything near Denver is crowded.

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Casual Trip at the most nearest river.

We just tried to make a bridge with tires and car parts, this is the result.

Shit.
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>>873575
You fucking faggets better turn the fuck around, and pull those goddamn tires out of the fucking river you pieces of fucking shit.
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>>873575
Just looking at that pic makes me have to take a shit
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We are doing that, this damn river is more a junkyard than a river.

So why to make it worse?

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I've got a shitload of firewood, one of these, and no idea how to actually use them in tandem. It's pretty sharp, but I can barely dent the wood, let alone split it. Can someone recommend a tutorial for wood splitting?
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>>873285

It's not hard. place dominant hand close to head, non-dominant hand near base, lift over shoulder, tighten your non-dominant hand, and swing, sliding your dominant hand down the shaft. Contrary to popular belief, you don't want your maul stupidly dull as you do want it to be able to go into the grain from above, sharpen it until it has a burr or just before, but not much further.

10 seconds of google gave me this video, and this is pretty much how you do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soOJDRlRUQM

Quiet...
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To process logs into firewood, you have to cut the logs into stove-length "rounds". Your actual desired stove-length will vary according to the stove it is to be used in. I find 18" a good size for my little wood stove. Outdoor wood furnaces will take much larger sizes. Then you take a "round" and stand it on end and split it with the splitting maul. Knot holes will be hard to split through, so try to avoid those.

Some of the tough pieces I "baton" by placing a single-bitted axe on it and striking the back of the axehead with a 2.5lb...
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>>873285
If the wood requires a decent amount of force I like to start with the head hanging completely behind my back, arms bent overhead but tense. Then dip into a quarter squat, and quickly straighten again, bringing the maul overhead. Finally complete the swing with a little arm involvement, letting gravity do the work, ending in a quarter/half squat depending on how much force is required. This is what let's me go on the longest because it saves the back while letting the legs do most of the work gravity doesn't do.

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Can we have a thread for /out/ related jobs? Anybody here ever work in an /out/ relevant store?

A new dicks/field and stream store is opening in my area, and I'm thinking of applying there. Anybody have any experiences working in those stores? Any stories?
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>>873281
There is absolutely nothing /out/ related about working in a retail store - no matter what it sells. It's the farthest away you can get from /out/ related jobs.

Your daily commute is several orders of magnitude more /out/ related than your job selling mountaineering backpacks and chic softshell jackets to businessmen and soccer moms.

If you want an /out/ related job, you need to get _out_, not in.

Also, it's a fucking retail job, you don't do that because it's fun, you do that...
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Work in a out/surplus local retailer. Isn't too bad aside from problems with the owners and such. Avoid people that appear to be gearsnobs, they don't want your impute they mostly want to brag about their vast trove of knowledge and how the solo'd the local dirt path in the park blindfolded. Normal people will only ask if shit is waterproofed and maybe what % wool/cotton it is
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Does being a flatbed driver count as out? I haul military and machinery mostly though, but I travel the mid west a lot and go fishing when I'm close to some water.

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book thread /out/
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>>873121
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Any Collins guide. Pick your subject.
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This was a fun read. Man the world was different back then. . .

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/6317/6317-h/6317-h.htm

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convince me not to buy the ULA Circuit right now.
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im ordering mine later this week once I feel more confident in the right size to choose for chest and hips.
The only con I can see is that the load limit is 30 pounds, meaning that since my base weight is 15 pounds, I can only allocate 10.6 pounds to food, the rest going to 2 liters of water. And if I want a extra liter, there goes 2.2 pounds.
And on a superficial level: it ain't a unique pack.

Eager to read some cons
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>>872987

Just giving you another option, but why not Granite Gear crown VC 60? It's similar design to the Circuit but

>cheaper ($200)
>found at REI if you're in the US (1 year to bash it around)
>lighter by half a pound (weighs 1.9 lbs with frame removed, unnecessary for light loads)
>less storage room (60 vs 68)

68 liters on the Circuit seems like overkill for normal backpacking,...
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>>873013
Same anon that was picking up the Circuit in the coming week.

I actually hiked the PCT in '15 with that pack. It's pretty good. I had the same "problem" of it having too much space when you pack lightly. For me it kinda fucked with the frame if I rolled it down too much. Also, can't easily grab water bottles from the side pockets when wearing one. It can fit a BearVailt BV 550 horizontally which the Circuit can't. And it's durable as fuck. Mine is still in good condition.

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Does /out/ hone their outdoor knives or is that just for kitchen knives since their thinner and shallow flat grind?
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>>872921
I take all my knives to a professional knife sharpening place. They charge $3.50 a knife.

I am not experienced enough in the proper wet stone technique. My survival knife has a built in sharpener, but I've never used it. Maybe if I am stock on an island for 5 years, I will use it, otherwise, I take it to a pro.

The honing tool is just for prep work in the kitchen, it does not sharpen, just removes any flack you may have on the edge.
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>>872921
Yes, correct.

>>872940
It isn't used for sharpening. It is just to correct the edge.
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Nope
I go through my knives maybe once a month and touch up he edge on my fixed angle sharpener if they need it
Due to any chipping or rolling

Other than that I strop occationally to maintain a super nice edge
Not quote a mirror polish but easily sharp enough to shave, push cut paper or cut newspaper


On shit like my axes and machetes I just hit the edge with a diamond course and fine stone to keep them relitivley sharp during use

My edc knives are used daily cutting open heavy plastic sacks
Heavy paper sacks
Various rope
Zip...
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when his base weight is over 10
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>missing units
-2 points
>missing punctuation
-2 points
>sentence fragment
-2
>first word not capitalized
-2 points

Final grade 2/10. Please see me after class.
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>>872854
I do believe this concludes this thread.
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>>872854
>OP didn't even greentext it

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Hello all,

Been getting back into hiking now that work is slowing down. I was looking for some trail recommendations for an intermediate to difficult hike in the surrounding Phoenix areas (the more the better).

I want to get back into it and do a couple a week that are moderately difficult, and range from a couple miles to 5+ (don't say Camelback Mountain, it's too crowded and for tourists).

I have the AllTrails app on my phone, but I find what others rate difficult I usually come to disagree with.

I have a meeting at work in a few, so if...
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Hi AZ bro. Don't know much about hiking spots in this area, I just moved to Tempe from Sedona so I have the same question.

On that note, I'm also looking for good shooting locations. The only shooting ranges nearby are indoor and I really don't want to shoot my rifles inside, and I don't want to make a trip all the way up to Ben Avery. As far as I can tell, it's legal on all BLM land as long as you follow the rules. I was told that Usery Mountain is a good area. Any other suggestions?
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>>872850
As for shooting, go to the local police dept. for the info, you just have to be x miles away residences, but it varies on city/county.

I know there if a place (shot there before) in North Phoenix, 10 minutes from Desert Ridge that is just empty desert.
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>>872850
I live in Washington and I've never been to Nevada

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I want some boots that are:
-warm
-water resistant
-tall
-accept crampons
-light
-warm

I don't mind paying a bit more. I currently have Lowa Zephyr GTX TF Hi's that I've worn in 10F and been okay in, but I'd like some that can go a bit colder. I've been looking at:
Lowa Hunter GTX / Mega Camp / Yukon Ice GTX / Tibet Superwarm GTX
but I'm having some issues narrowing it down. I'm open to other brands as well.
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I guess I should have said that I was looking for recommendations and 'please and thank you'.
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These did me nicely in northern Greenland.

https://www.thenorthface.com/shop/mens-verto-s4k-ice-gtx

Of course they are meant for the ice and aren't very flexible. They were warm in -40F though using a dual set of socks.
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>>872764
i got the columbia bugaboot for my girlfriend last year and shes been raving about them so much that ill probably buy the mens version this years.


they look amazing, the weight is great, and i didnt hear her complain about her feet once all winter.

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What are my chances of finding him?
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you have my blessing
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About the same as losing your virginity at a comic convention
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Bring a book OP. Actually bring a couple books.

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>haven't been /out/ in a while
>live in tiny apartment in shitty neighborhood so can't set up tent right outside
>sleep in my sleeping bag on the floor next to an open window

Please tell me I'm not the only one who does this.
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>>872727
guilty
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>>872727
Sometimes I sleep on the floor because I miss the dirt
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>>872727
I went fishing in the puddle at the end of my driveway because of the hurricane.


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