is there any one piece of /out/ gear that is more versatile and important than a good woolen cloak?
Natural materials are always better, cloaks are good for going /out/ but you look like a fucking autist. If you wear a cloak and then plastic boots and synthetic shirts then you're the biggest autist. If you wear a cloak and traditional gear then it's fine. If you don't you're a faggot autist
I guess I'll ask here, does anyone have experience with the Frogg Toggs poncho?
I normally carry a dollar store emergency poncho, but for $14 and free shipping I feel like I can't go wrong. Does anyone know how small it packs?
It is true. Good for the enviroment (inb4 hippy) better for hunting and your body, natural materials are ALWAYS superior
You're not making any actual claims, just a bunch of "it's better because it's good for stuff." You're not addressing their effectiveness, manufacturing processes (which very well may not be good for the environment), cost, durability, etc etc.
-Hunting:Synthetics smell synthetic. A wool or sheepskin coat, if it smells of the woods will be better for hunting than a synthetic coat, no argument.
-Better for the enviroment. Yes there is destructive sheep grazing and forest cutting, but synthetics take 10,000 years to go away. Buckskin takes FAR FAR less. There's toxins in plastic, and they just reek of synthetic bullshit.
-Durability is better for synthetics. Synthetics are bad for the enviroment though, and a thick wool jumper can last you a lifetime with the correct care.
-Humans have been using wool, sheepskin, leather, etc for the last 10,000 years, synthetics for not long at all. Natural materials are ALWAYS better for you.
Hunting - Nah, just use some spray.
Enviroment - Nah again. Synthetics last a long time, therefore you can pass it down for generations.
Durability - Nah, like I just said, synthetics last a long ass time. >bad for the enviroment. Source?
Humans- Better for me? Nah. I dont want to look like an autist.
>Go to outdoor store
>"Excuse me, please can you suggest a good waterproof coat? Maybe a Rab or Montane"
>He will then give you a piece of clothing
>Wear it outdoors and imagine you are living in middle earth and that your new coat is a cloak you raging fucking autistic retards
THERE IS A REASON CLOAKS WERE REPLACED. THEY ARE NOT AS GOOD.
>Humans have been using wool, sheepskin, leather, etc for the last 10,000 years, synthetics for not long at all. Natural materials are ALWAYS better for you.
are you trying to discredit yourself?
A cloak is important but I also get a lot of use out of my sword and walking staff. Plus, long after my cloak has gotten filthy and tangled in briars, my leather body armour is still going strong and protecting me from mischievous wood elves and orcs.
I grew up on a cattle farm in Minnesota. My first Felton jacket was handed down from my Grandfather. In the rugged North, it's what real men where /out/
On a performance basis it will beat your shit tier synthetic shell now and forever.
>>makes you look like an autist
once again, Autism triumphs over science and technology
>I'm not the autist, YOU'RE the autsit because reasons I can't think of!
They make you look fucking autistic, because the only people who would even think of using such antiquated clothing are LARPers.
So a wool jumper is used by LARPers only? Some leather boots or a leather jacket is just used by LARPers and no one else? a cotton shirt is just used by LARPers? lel
>Synthetics smell synthetic
>synthetics take 10,000 years to go away
why is that a bad thing? I want my gear to last. not dissipating into nothingness isn't a bad thing. Simply existing doesn't make something bad for the environment.
>Synthetics are bad for the enviroment though
wow, that doesn't actually address the point at all whatsoever.
>Humans have been using wool, sheepskin, leather, etc for the last 10,000 years, synthetics for not long at all
yet now that we have the technology to make synthetics, they're used constantly. I don't see how this is a point.
Idk, how about a knife and/or water filter. If I was pressed for an order of gear I would take with me it would be #1 full tang knife #2 water filter #3 fire starter #4 tarp or thick plastic survival blanket #5 shoes #6 proper clothing.
Why in the fuck would you start your survival kit with a shitty cloak?
Would you rather look like a cosplay faggot or be warm and cosy innawoods?
maybe i have a good sense of smell put synthetics have such a strong scent. Even if you get mud and dirt on them they still smell disgusting.
Some gore tex jackets or plastic bottles in the forest look so disgusting and unnatural. Litter sucks.
I'd rather stick to something people having been using for 10,000 years than something people have been using for 60 years. A leather jacket can last years instead of a shitty windbreaker ultralight lasting a year or two then ripping against thorns
I'd rather be warm and cozy innawoods than look like a cosplay faggot. What kind of retarded autistic question is that?
>would you rather get poked in the eye with a sharp stick or eat a delicious steak?
>mfw /out/ neopagan hipster faggots that dress up like LARP cosplayers
>paying $300 for a hoodie when you could get something on the same quality level from a milsurp store
Three plastics have been shown to leach toxic chemicals when heated, worn or put under pressure: polycarbonate, which leaches bisphenol A; polystyrene, which leaches styrene; and PVC, or polyvinyl chloride, which break down into vinyl chloride and sometimes contains phthalates that can leach.
English anglo saxon. The image is just a nice image, that's all.
Hmm.. I'm tempted to laugh at you like everyone else, but I use a plash palatka as a poncho and a tent. It's kinda heavy but still awesome, so I guess I kind of understand what you mean.
However it's cheap and "expendable". A wool coat sounds expensive.
Plus, let's be clear: OP isn't talking about a nice wool coat, which would be at least relatively practical even though there are much lighter alternatives. He's talking about a fucking wool cloak.
Nope, better for the earth you retard.
Let's wander out of society and become Übermensch. Become as free as possible. Seeking freedom through society or other people feels like seeking a better prison for your personality to maintain.
Jesus Christ! Now, there's an outdoorsman for you! His cousin was all like, "Bro, you can eat bugs and stuff and get all the nutrition from nature!" But Jesus was all like:
>eating bugs while /out/
>eating anything while /out/
>kek watch me survive 40 days without any food or gear at all!
Not exactly what you asked about, but I have a Frogg Toggs rain suit, and I love it. Waterproof even riding in a hard downpour, and getting splashed by trucks, and it's been a year since I bought it and no durability issues yet.
>-Humans have been using wool, sheepskin, leather, etc for the last 10,000 years, synthetics for not long at all.
Humans have been using bows and arrows for longer than guns therefore they're better
I wouldn't wear a cloak simply because they always snag on things. Then again, I'm an idiot who tends to walk through brambles. I just find them to be impractical unless you're walking along a path and don't care about the weight. Really, I guess a wool poncho is great, maybe a shorter cloak than OP's picture would fit the bill actually. I wouldn't wear it in public though, and it'd be pretty expensive. My advice? Wool poncho, or dress normally.
Did you know when vulcanization started becoming a thing you could get clothes made out of it? I think they were mostly bow ties and things like that.
When polyester first arrived clothes made out of that were all the rage, even though they sucked hard compared to cotton.
When technology has given us something new we can make into fabric there have been people that made clothes out of it irrespective of whether or not they were actually good for clothing.
And? Polyester was introduced 60 years ago. That phase is long over. That example you gave is literally a counterexample, unless you're seriously arguing that vulcanized rubber is bad as well.
Would you want to be /out/ in early polyester clothing, though? Or a rubber shirt? Probably not, right?
I'm just saying things being new has nothing to do with being good and things being old doesn't make them bad.
The reverse could be true, though I'd say much less likely for something to be old and bad. If we're still using it then it must be decent.
I don't remember what I paid, but I bought it at wallmart so it couldn't have been too much, and yeah it does. Normally they're about the size of a thick A5 notebook, but if I want to they can compress down to about 1/2 that.
MFW I walked into the grocery store today and saw a giant of a neck beard wearing just such a cloak.
Engineered perfection for arctic conditions. Man I want one of these...
They can't comprehend that things were replaced by smaller, lighter and more effective things. In their minds if something looks a bit kooky or different it makes it functional.
Also, JESUS CHRIST 350 euros for that shit!
" "Oh no" you say, "no Gore-Tex?" Run and hide if you can't live with some moisture, the level of condensation within the bag is nothing to worry about.
This, however leads to maintenance - just like women, your Fjellduken requires some attention after use. Unlike women though, your Fjellduken is quite satisfied by simply getting hung out to dry over a door or line. Remember this before folding it onto the shelf after a walk in the woods, or else you will have a very expensive piece of smelly, moist cloth, still 100% waterproof and warm though!"
Fucking kek in the description it admits it is expensive and not as good as gore-tex. Who is buying this shit?! And two kilos for something that lets all the cold air circulate around your legs, and forces you to keep your shoes on 24/7??
afaik there are several versions, some of them weigh less
I'm not the guy that posted it, but you seem overly pessimistic with such a small amount of unbiased information presented to you.
The description on that website is odd. Looks like some finnish quirkiness.
I would look for reviews somewhere else before writing the Jervenduk off though. It really is a great piece of equipment.