Anybody here ever grow smokable plants? No, I'm not talking about cannabis. Tobacco itself seems quite hard to grow, but other things like wild tobaccos, lobelia, coltsfoot, etc seem relatively simple.
I'm thinking about setting up a small garden with a few of these.
I'm thinking I'd really like to try growing Mullein, too.
>Don't fucking TOUCH Datura, you moronic twits.
That was the plan.
>"try" to grow mullein. It's a weed.
That's sort of the point, I guess, along with wild tobaccos. The typical tobaccos seem to require too much work, and I'd like to avoid that.
>Don't grow Datura. Don't take Datura. Don't fucking TOUCH Datura, you moronic twits.
So much this. I've never seen someone have a good time on that who didn't end up in the hospital.
Anyway, datura is scary, so let's shift gears to other smokable plants, damiana maybe?
Or really anything, I need some other ideas, as well. Looking up 'herbal smoking' only gets you people who are trying to smoke those 'legal budzzzz' and other nonsense.
Try growing Japanese Knotweed, it's great to smoke. Plant the seeds alongside the outside of your house (and below it if there is any space below the ground floor) and let nature do its work. You'll be smoking da 'erb 24/7 in no time.
always had a good time on salvia. prob because i wasnt an idiot who took a massive bong hit and went overboard. want to grow some salvia to have fresh stuff to chew. dont need to mess with extract anymore. anyone know where to get salvia D cuttings?
i've heard of people growing mullein in a garden. i wouldnt bother. just walk around and keep an eye out for it. its very common. they are biennial, so the tall ones with flowers are second year mullein. first year have leaves only in a rosette. supposed to be good for lung health. has a mild flavor. good to mix with other things rather then have alone.
Actually an amazingly useful plant if you have scrub land, recently harvested lumber land or any kind of brush and you want to raise livestock especially in the south. plant a bunch in the fall, spend the next year fencing in the land and build shelters, watering points, all the livestock infrastructure you need for a herd of goats. Make a cabin if you are homesteading.
By the start of year 2 the place will be overrun and you can let a few goats loose on it. Within 4-5 years as your goats increase in number and clear out the area they will also make sure nothing grows back besides grasses. The knotweed will quickly cover and kill any trees too tall for the goats to browse.As the trees die and the grass spreads introduce sheep, after 5-6 years you can turn an chunk of Appalachia into something that looks like a Scottish hillside.
>you can turn an chunk of Appalachia into something that looks like a Scottish hillside.
And that knotweed surely won't spread outside your property.
It is only a problem in people's finely kept yards where they have a stick up their asses about perfect lawns and such.
Personally, I eat the young shoots and goats eat it. Knotweed doesn't grow very well outside of stream banks. Away from those areas and it isn't the terror that many people with stream bank property have face.
Oh, you mean the land i probably want to buy 7-8 years down the line will have it's market value reduced? If its just acreage that is being harvested for pulpwood every decade or so then the knotweed will make it worthless to them and you can pick it up real cheap. Even better you have already terrascaped (goatscaped?) it so flock expansion will be easy. If you have kids who will carry on herding you could take over half a unorganized territory that way in 20-30 years.
It's not that I have an ethical problem with pot, I just don't like it.
In any case, I did some more research and supposedly tree tobacco is more dangerous since it doesn't have nicotine in particular, but a derivative anabasine. I think that's just ingestion risk, but I'm not entirely sure. I can't determine if it's similar enough to nicotine for it to be a non-issue.
I leave the dandelions in my yard if that counts. I don't know why people hate them so.
I don't grow it, but I seek out and pick rabbit tobacco in the late fall when the leaves dry out. It has a spicy peppery taste and can be rolled or smoked in a pipe. It has medicinal properties and was once commonly used to treat problems with breathing and congestion.
>I don't know why people hate them so.
Commercialism and lawn culture. The former stems from advertisements for weed killers and magazine articles paid for by those companies to put weeds and dandelions in a bad light. The latter stems from royal lawns of Europe being perfectly a sea of flat green. The non-royalty wanted to be like royalty so they adopted lawns too. Now we have millions of lawns around the world that really serve no purpose other than "looking good" and eating up valuable resources (lawnmower fuel, metals and mats that make lawnmowers) and poison the environment (sprays, exhaust, etc). There are even city and county wide laws that dictate how long you are allowed to let the grass grow in your lawn. Where I live, if it goes over x amount of inches you'll get a notice and have 30 days to fix the problem or they will legally take your properly from you, charge you to fix the problem, and sell your property to whoever bids the highest for it.
98% of the stuff growing in my lawn is 100% edible. That includes dandelions. I make wine from the blossoms, eat their greens cooked and fresh, roast the roots to make beverages, and fry up the blossoms to eat.
What? They are soft when you step on them. Perhaps you are thinking of thistles or nettles?
>tobacco isnt a very hard grow OP.
I've heard otherwise, or maybe it's the curing process that is particularly bitchy. Either way, I live in NJ and the weather is shit.
Thanks for the suggestion. I keep learning more and more. I had a lot of things on my radar, but rabbit tobacco wasn't even one of them.
Will do, it's already on my list.
Already seen the first one, but the second is new to me. Thanks.
tobacco will grow in all 50 states and can be container grown. so in that sense tobacco is an easy grow.
curing is long and can be tedious, but doesnt take much to learn how to do correctly. theres a lot of room for mastery though.
if you dont container grow you should be rotating every season so ideally have two tobacco patches running consecutively.
howtogrowtobacco.com is a good resource.
if youre planning on smoking these to have some sort of noticeable effect, tobacco and weed are the only 2 ive seen mentioned with any. there are plenty of smokable plants, there are plenty of psychoactive plants, but overlap isnt all that high. youre better off looking up a list of psychoactive plants and going from there.
no im sorry I just have to say you sir, are a complete an utter idiot for this statement.
knotweed will spread and ruin any local environ it can, ive seen it happen in my hometown...
an invaisive species from asia has no reason to ever be used by some neo-goat farming hippies in Appalachia as your plan intends, cause its a horrible idea and I hope no one ever uses it...
on the other hand I have to say tobacco is easy to grow... just spread some seeds in a old compost pile spot for a year or two and if you let it flower it will come back every year