I have one. I could probably live out of it for a while. I have >lighter >fishing line and hooks >cotton balls >ID >money >small lense with paperclips >small knife It covers all the items that are hard to make innawoods besides shelter.
>>595783 Where is your button compass and why paperclips, just curious? You should add some bank line to help shelter building. A great kit anyway. IMO stuff like signal mirror, rescue whistle, can opener, safety pins or duck tape are wrong type of thinks for an Altoids tin. Bandages are great to have and they take little space, but since Altoids is never opened they're probably expired and don't work when you need them.
>>595624 >"Survival tins" are a meme if they don't have any shelter. No they are not. It's meant to be carried in your pocket at all times. It's possible to build a shelter using materials found in nature and it helps to have even a small (folding) knife and two feets of bank line.
>>595633 A survival blanket is bigger than an Altoids tin and it's about the smallest portable "shelter" there is. Really if something is a meme it's the survival blanket.
>>595685 >How small can a survival kit be while still being useful? a feet of fishing line and a hook.
>>595748 I've read, a candle in a car can raise the temp inside the vehicle up to 8 degrees. Wether or not this is true, I would assume it would have to raise it somewhat, or atleast keep your hands warm, if you were ever stranded on a winter storm inside your car.
>>595624 Pretty true actually. This and water purification.
I have one (kinda) It's a molle pouch on my bag so it takes even less space than a tin while having more than double the room. Yes I do carry this bag everywhere.
It has some things that will save your ass in normal life: >Pen >Napkins >hair-elastic-band thing
And survival stuff: >Small leatherman style multi tool - Might replace this with one of my spare victorinoxes or a small knife. >Rain poncho - Is shelter, can save you in normal life too. >3m+ paracord, means I have 21m of the thin lines inside. >Matches in waterproof container. >bic lighter >Powerful antihistamine for alergic shocks (Mainly wasp) >Small roll of duct tape - Super useful >Super glue - same >Salt >Water purification tabs >kindling >A small rocket (Unbeatable signaling) - I can't bring this everywhere sadly.
Things I'd like to add: Quick clot or similar. The only really lifesaving small first aid A bag or something for water, even though there is always a water container in my bag. Money, maybe.
It's been designed after what I'd need to survive if I got stranded somewhere. Even the first day I'll need water, shelter and warmth, my tabs, poncho and a fire covers that. Yeah, I'll need food eventually. I had a mini fishing kit in this before, might add it again. But I can go for days and even weeks without food if I'm in such a shitty situation.
>>595933 monday arrives a fiskars x7 hatchet and a mora companion f that will go with it. meanwhile i have an edc multitool that's why you not seeing anything sharp in the kit. i also added in the meantime a couple of meds bandaids and handkerchiefs and whatnot not on the pic.
I've been toying around with the idea of an altoids "survival kit", but never got around to it.
For now, my altoids kit is my edc tin. Contents:
maglite solitaire led. takes one AAA battery. Leatherman squirt ps4 - has both pliers and scissors. Shame about no awl though. 8gb flash drive. When you need one, there is no substitute. bic mini. I don't smoke, but some of my friends do. Plus lighting candles and stuff. Spare change. For parking meters and vending machines, when bill/credit card are not an option. A microfiber cloth. For sunglasses and smartphone screen. small post-it notes + pencil (more like half a pencil). 4 paperclips stringed together. couple of band-aids. for cuts.
Also, I have an extended edc kit inside a maxpedition micro:
emergency blanket spare AAA batteries (2) 2200 mAh power bank + usb cable headphones (also, hands-free set)
>>596062 i know they don't need waterproofing much but there is a box of matches and stuff with them in the bag now more like an organizing thing the matches actually need waterproofing tho. the tampons are primarily tinder but can be used to tamponate wounds or filter water. not lastly my gf can use them if she is with me and we are caught outside the wrong time. condoms are the weak point since they are lubricated their use is very limited and icky.
>>596157 >What have you done? i have bought the cheapest hatchet i could find (that actually chops really well, and requires zero maintenance aside from sharpening after use) to go with my 1 day car survival kit and to fuck around with while camping if my time allows.
lots of people hate on these poor things i see their steel as their only weakness. the rest is well done shit. if you don't plan to use them heavily and often then the steel quality presents no real problem.
if i was to throw myself in the wilderness i would buy a $200 hatchet with a hickory handle not a $20 one for sure.
>>596227 ferro rods are literally nigger tier fire source. they are the hardest possible means to light a fire of all modern tools. i can light a fire with a match or a lighter ten times more easy especially if i have a candle at hand.
they have an advantage when all your shit is soaking wet but otherwise it's just so you can feel like a caveman for a lot of monies.
>>596684 ferro rods get eroded too it's not like they last very well. i have seen them shaved in half just during a review. >>596679 >>596680 not a good one that last you and actually useful, try $50!
the thing is lighting your first fire is hardest especially with a ferro rod. lighting subsequent fires is either a non issue if you can tend to it or keep ember and also a lot easier already having char material.
so that is why ferro rods are fun toys but not really a good long term solution unless they are huge and super expensive.
>>596692 low quality ferro rods will make hot sparks but they will live for a split second and will ignite nothing remotely wet they will also produce small sparks and a few. they are excellent at igniting char-cloth and that's it.
a lighter of average capacity will light you not hundreds of fires but even a thousand with almost zero effort, it costs a shocking $1 and if you buy a piezzo it even works soaking wet.
only thing that will kill your fire with a lighter is strong wind but if you can't build a windshield you are fucked anyways.
price wise multiple everything by 2 for me cause i live in a suck ass country. also most people don1t talk about the big rods when they talk about ferro, just the pocket shit that is really like $5.
>>596714 >a lighter of average capacity will light you not hundreds of fires but even a thousand with almost zero effort
>zero effort Have you ever lighted a fire in other than perfect conditions?
Tinder is placed on the bottom so that the heat from it dries and lights the kindling above and around it. How do you light the tinder with a Bic? What happens is that tinder and fine kindling burns slowly from the side where you lighted it and fire never reaches the temperature necessary to light the bigger kindling.
Real outdoorsmen prefer matches and firesteel. Matches can be sticked between the kindlings or dropped in the middle of tinder. Firesteel can be even easier if you have good tinder, but generally nothing beats the matches.
A Bic, not perfectly dry wood, some wind and rain, cold hands, and soon you'll have, not a fire but an empty bic and burned fingertip.
Where an experienced ferro rod user fails, experienced Bic user fails too. One still has a fire lighting device for later use.
>>596746 >Even spent bics serve as a portable handheld spark thrower People here seem to have trouble using a full sized ferro rod. How are they supposed to light a fire with an empty Bic?
>>596776 >How are they supposed to light a fire with an empty Bic? They aren't. This is just to carry something in your pocket that allows you to feel superior in spite of mounting evidence to the contrary.
guys, keep in mind the survival tin isn't supposed to replace all your cool /out/-stuff. it supposed to hold the stuff you could need for an emergency-situation. mine holds ~5m of string, a pocket knife, a bic-lighter, 2x esbit-tablets, 2 tampons , a tea-light and a bin liner ("Gelber Sack" in german)
Every now and then I got to ford a river in the middle of the sticks. When doing so you open all belts and loose the straps on your backpack, if the current gets the better of you, you can drop your pack and at least don't drown. Before I cross I make sure to got my map pouch, compas, sak, bic, e-lite and a space blanket on me. That way I could make it trough the night and reach the nearest hut the next day. Potable water is usually plenty where I walk. Never lost my pack so far, but better safe than sorry.
>>596794 >there is no way a backpack will make you drown No, the current will make you drown, the pack just doesn't help with it. I cross mountain streams, not very deep, but the current is massive. I wouldn't want to go down and bump my head against all the boulders. Dunno, it is standard procedure to loosen all belts before you ford.
>>596776 so here is a better set than a ferro rod: >1 lighter (preferably piezzo) >1 wick soaked in wax >1 aluminium pipe that acts as a choke for the wick you quickly light the wick, and stop using the lighter if will get flame very easily hell you might even light it with the "firesteel" of the lighter alone you adjust the flame for your needs and use the wick to light your kindling, then push forward the aluminum tube to choke it out for later use.
you can literally light thousands of fires with this even if the conditions are harsh and you can always make new wick from your clothes or fibrous material and fats / resin / beeswax if you start to run short. you will of course try to maintain an ember between fires or at least dry char material at the ready that quickly catches ember and can be used as an ignition source for tinder.
>>596797 watch this guys video if you need a visual demonstration of what i'm talking about. he uses a ferro rod a lot, but you can get a sense of how limited it's use would be in certain situations without forward planning and additional items. in fact you could just as easily live without it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WPigQdfcBU
i have a smallish ferro rod in my kit as a last resortof course but what i have also is matches, storm matches, a lighter and multiple kinds of ready tinder that can be ignited by spark.
>>596801 i never heard about them being unreliable before, but i found lots of discussions about it. i would have expected they can still serve out their load lifespan. anyways firesteel lighters are good too but they might need to kept dry or drying before use. for the times when your lighter does not actually work you can always have some waterproofed matches as backup. just dip them in wax that is all it takes.
>>596819 >i would have expected they can still serve out their load lifespan. half the time the piezo gives up before the gas runs out, and thats for a bic piezo, others are worse. Go for the standard bic, its about the as good as it gets for a disposable lighter. You can dry them out fast if needed and even without gas they still produce a good spark.
>>596824 you just saved me from ever trying out a piezzo lighter anon. i have an edc lighter cause you never know when you run into stuff that needs to be set on fire, but i'm gonna put one in my kit too. i just wanted one that is more robust and harder to press accidentally. in a kit a lighters level might be pressed by other stuff and you lose gas.two ways to avoid that making it a sheath is one the other is buying a lighter that is child safe.
>>596827 Piezo only creates a tiny spark. You need serious wind protection and must keep your lighter warm.
The mechanism itself is nigh indestructible, but of course they make it out of plastic and design it so that it breaks eventually. What would we sell if anything lasted forever?
And unlike a ferrocite and steel rasp design piezo needs a precise sudden force delivered by a spring which is brought under tension by pressing the button. So once it's broken there's little you can do to fix it.
It's the cheapest way to make a throwaway lighter spark. It is near useless without volatile gaseous fuel.
>>596832 The most autistic "review" I've seen for a long time. In reality no one cares how many thousand fires can be made. A firesteel is a survival item and /out/ people use it so that they know how to use it when they have to, or simply because it's fun. You can tell by one look if you have a tool that will work 100% every time. With most Bics you can't even see if there's any gas left.
Bics can not be trusted. The gas can leak out and the frame can break in extreme cold. "How many lighters have you broken?" None, because it's takes less than a second to light a cigarette. The lighter is always warm and dry.
In real survival situation the plastic gets brittle, melted snow freezes inside the mechanism and it breaks when you press the button.
And how, how on earth you operate a lighter with gloves on or with frozen hands?
"Try scraping some birch bark into fine shavings, or pulling apart jute twine, or making fine feather sticks. Tell me if those motions are less fine that using a lighter."
They are. I can make shavings as long as I can hold a knife. And I have to do shavings and feather sticks if I want fire.
For those of us not braving everest, BICs will be adequate 99% of the time. If it's not, you're probably fucked anyways.
That said, I believe in 3 sources of fire/light/water/shelter, though the latter two can be tricky to achieve without mondo excess.
The way I see it, if the bic isn't working then I have weatherproof matches/butane lighter/magnifying glass/flint&steel/etc to fall back on. Hell, my favorite is a freshly filled classic Zippo with a SPARE butane insert (also full). Between those alone I've got it soundly covered.
Bics are indestructible, can be easily 'locked' to prevent leakage, and I only take out translucent ones who's gas level can be gauged by shining a light behind it to silhouette the fuel inside.
>>596844 i have lighted hundreds of fires the times i used a feather-stick: 0, the times i used a ferro-rod: 0, lighters that broke in my hands: 0
the plastic might get brittle and all that jazz, that is why you always have multiple ingition source and you should replace the lighter in your kit every year because they don't last forever. ferro rods also have plastic handle that gets brittle over time or simple dislodges making it very difficult in a survival scenario to light a fire with them. some people just remove factory handles and put on a ducktape knob or bring ducktape with them for this very reason.
so having a lighter as your primary quick source of fire is never a bad idea having some waterproofed and even storm matches is not a bad idea either but you must try to conserve them as much as you can, finally having a ferro rod in kit as a last resort is okay if it fits in your kit and the weight is manageable for you but you shouldn't use it unless you have to ie lighter broke and you are out of matches.
>>597063 they don't 'leak' fuel like, "oh shit my fuel leaked over everything!"
They fuel leaks via evaporation. It happens because zippos are not hermetically sealed. It's not messy, but it means classic zippos are not ideal for long term fire needs.
The easiest/BEST solution to this is to buy a Thunderbird butane insert of amazon. Their cheap, refillable, windproof, and last FOREVER on a butane charge. Certainly doesn't leak. Effectively transforms a zippo from an antiquated pain in the ass to 21st century fire baby! Plus, you get to keep your sexy zippo shell!
>>597169 >It's dumb to carry a ferro rod as a last resort if you haven't practiced with it in different conditions.
nobody said don't practice, just don't fuck up / wear out your kit rod, that's all i'm saying if you ever gonna actually need it it should be in top condition. practice with an other one like i said it's fun and you get to feel like a caveman for some bucks.
>>596985 >For those of us not braving everest, BICs will be adequate 99% of the time. If it's not, you're probably fucked anyways. but that's the point of carrying survival gear. what happens on your hundredth trip. oh i see, you're fucked!
>>597223 >you would be a special kind of moron not to check at home before you go out you could forget to pack the lighter altogether and it wouldn't make you a moron, more like a normal human being.
if the lighter is a part of a small survival kit that never gets used, why check it every time? if the gas valve gets pressed once it may take years to realize the lighter is empty.
it's funny how normal city dwellers, girls included, can understand the reasoning behind ferro rod and have no problem using it. here in /out/ everyone seems to think it's an impractical way to start a fire, a gimmick sold to zombie survivalist, something as effective as rubbing two sticks together. after having a bad experience with a ferro rod has it ever crossed your mind that you may just be too dumb to figure out how to use it?
>>597248 >but that's the point of carrying survival gear. what happens on your hundredth trip. oh i see, you're fucked! no unless you are a moron, you replace your emergency lighter when it's half full. just shake it you will feel it / hear it. it's not gonna deplete in hundred trips tho. unless you are using it to smoke too or use it for excessively long periods.
also why the fuck would you use your kit lighter on a trip? just spend an other dollar for an edc lighter and leave your fucking emergency lighter alone, replace it every year ie make the old one your edc and buy a new one for the kit.
>>597248 >here in /out/ everyone seems to think it's an impractical way to start a fire, a gimmick sold to zombie survivalist, gee i wonder why? maybe because it is. it's an emergency tool when all else fails you it's just the irony that low quality ferro rods can easily fail you and require a lot more skill than any other modern means of fire.
using a ferro rod to light fires teaches you a lot about making fire because it's friggin hard. doesn't mean you got to make your life harder by using it when you got a match or a lighter which are a hundred times better.
and especially not means that in a survival situation you should want to use a ferro rod as your one and only option aside from rubbing sticks together and praying for lightning.
>>596819 Peizo is shit because it has a ton of moving parts; a spring, a hammer, a crystal, a housing, button, wires to carry the current. If anything goes wrong, it won't light. A flint consists of 3 parts; a flint, a striker wheel, and a spring. A lot less to go wrong.
>>598384 i once had two lighters one empty and one with fucked ignition, guess what they worked fine together.
if you are a group and every one of you have a lighter it's impossible not to make full use of them even if one or two gets crapped. same if you have an emergency lighter in your kit, and an edc lighter in your pockets one of them will most likely work.
>>596684 >Gas lighter? Empties itself within a few weeks and animals can smell you coming for miles. >animals can smell you coming for miles. >animals can smell you coming for miles. >animals can smell you coming for miles.
>>596684 i have news for you animals can smell you coming from miles in the right conditions but definitely from half a mile of course exact distance and if the animal gives a fuck depends on many things and what kind of animal.
>>595933 >>595938 here is updated picture, phone took pretty bad pictures this time... any suggestions what to add maybe? the pack is nearly full with this stuff and most of the weight comes from the water and the axe.
>fiskars x7 >mora companion f >us-mil pattern canteen + stainless steel cup >ferro rod + matches + tampons >rescue whistle >paracord 10m + duct tape 10m >2 paper tissues >bandaids >pocket sewing kit >flashlight (led) consumables for 1st day: >2 l water >2 pcs protein bar edc (not actually part of kit): >letherman skeletool cx >lighter
>>598894 originally i wanted to group them into categories like immediate survival 1st day (maybe stuck in the car at winter): >space blankets/bags, water, food, flaslight, fire, whistle tools to build shelter, cook and boil water (i left the car because it was exposed): >axe, knife, paracord, ducktape, canteen and steel cup convenience (small stuff that never hurts to have): >sewing kit, a fishing kit maybe, multi-tool, lighter, bandaids, tissues, snacks
but the gear does not fit like that, putting them all in is kinda like playing tetris and i don't want a bigger bag, it's just fine for my car and can be easily carried in hand or with a strap.
>>595822 Paperclips as a frame to hold the lense, and I'm not really reliant on a compass in the winter because the sun is always in the south(don't have a small one anyways), but I think I'll throw in a needle and magnet. Bank line sounds good too.
>>595612 I hate the term survival kit, for em it's just a hand tin of 'stuff' I can throw in a backpack for afternoon in the woods. I don't need all of the scary ass zombie chopping tools. there is enough in here to keep me entertained and keep me comfortable outside if I had to spend the night out in most circumstances too
This seems like a relevant thread instead of starting my own. What do you guys think of this? I'm looking to get a big kit to keep strapped down in the back of the Jeep (on the inside) and am wondering what you fellas might suggest. Pic related, this is just the first cheap one I saw. Hoping to keep it under $200 (broke college kid, but do a lot of camping, snowboarding, fly fishing, kayaking, and cross country mountain biking).
>>600854 I do, but I want a larger one. I have an old Army one from papa anon I got in high school but, kind of like what >>600858 had mentioned...it looks so sexy. I love the look of having a huge first aid kid strapped into the back (especially if some real shit happens out inna woods when we're doing back country boarding or something). Pic is all I keep in the /out/mobile right now (plus an old wool Army blanket). Working on it though.
>>600823 Add: first, a proper compass. this is the most important thing in any "survival kit".
1 or 2 extra AAA batteries plastic sheet for rain cover bank line foir said rain cover and for building other stuff. another lighter (bic) fishing gear (or is that green thing a fishing kit?.) 3 more needles (they weight nothing and you can lose one easily) maybe another knife, smaller in case you lose the opinel.
lose the can-opener-spoon and that pos sharpener. they're useless in any real survival situation.
>>600875 >compass >most important fuck no it's not, quality compass is expensive and it gets ruined easily after time every compass will develop bubbles that makes it unreliable especially the compact ones.
some compass are by design not affected by the bubbles some have built in pressure equalizers, but those are fuck expensive not the usual plastic shit.
unless you have a map your compass is no better than dead reckoning or going by sun and stars.
>>600884 military compasses like this are overweight a lot i had one altho russian made not exactly like this. they can do everything frankly but not as well as a sylva sighting compass they are cheap as fuark at least and fairly durable. pros: 1) cheap, 2) works cons: 1) heavy 2) small 3) usually not as accurate as it could be 4) mil-s are mostly useless unit for civilians 5) they are designed to go with military maps which you won't have most likely 6) bulky
>>600893 Thank you for replying. I picked one of these up but haven't had the chance to use it yet. Off top, its definitely heavy (maybe a pound) but seems sturdy. I chose this over a smaller unit for 2 reasons: 1. I wanted a compass with sights for accurate readings when recording features of the land/trails and general navigation. 2. Some part of me figured that the smaller compasses were would fall apart more easily and or wouldn't give as accurate readings.
I have no experience with a compass, but I know there's good supplemental instructions on the web. (the ones that came with it are awful). I 100% plan to pick up a map of my local area as well as other areas i might visit.
Would you recommend a different compass for a beginner user or is this one okay?
>>600900 i think it should be okay just impractical compared to good civilian models it's too small for real convenient map work and not see through which makes it more cumbersome anything smaller is literally useless it's like a military folding spade compared to a real spade does the job but sucks at it.
>>600924 you do realize this was meant to be a foot soldiers tool in case he needed to navigate based on his mil map or call in artillery strike. today this piece of equipment is completely outdated and subpar to just about anything.
sill if you have one of these and a good map you have no excuse if getting lost.
watch these and then decide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkjCo0A96yU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICcnTvADEZY
>>600985 The more I talk to you guys, the more I feel I bought an overweight compass whose features I may never utilize. Thank you for the videos, I will watch them and get back to you guys regarding my decision
>>600990 you kinda did, military stuff is generally lower quality cheap mass produced crap compared to civilian shit but also tends to be more durable allow more rough handling and if breaks anyways cheaply replaceable.
this compass you bought knows everything you need just learn to use it. getting north or any general direction from a compass is not what this is for at all, that shit can be had from a button compass or looking at the sky.
this compass can be used to plot a course determine position distance to objects and a lot of shit. sadly you will never call in a good shelling with it but life is hard innawoods.
if you have lots of money i would recommend against buying it if you already bought it it's good to learn compass work.
>>600875 guys I said it ISN'T a survival kit, it's just a bunch of stuff I carry around for an afternoon out. if i cant be bothered lugging pack full of gear and want to do a bit of rock fishing or if I find a stream
>first, a proper compass. this is the most important thing in any "survival kit".
don't need it for an afternoon out, if I really 'needed' to know which was was north, I have ABC function on my wristwatch
>1 or 2 extra AAA batteries
don't need extra batteries- that's a Fenix EO1, it has a 21 hour burn time from a single AAA battery, I'm lucky if I get through one battery a year in it.
>plastic sheet for rain cover
don't need, and impractical to carry in this context. I might get wet, big deal.
>bank line foir said rain cover and for building other stuff.
there is 25m of 12lb fishing line, and another 25m of 30lb braised fishing line in the kit if I need it- why bank line ? 'muh dav canturbury'
>another lighter (bic)
why? there is already one in there, and a ferro rod/magnesium bar in the kit with 4 different types of tinder (magnesium shavings, tinder quicks, esbit cubes and a live fire tin) and a flat packing stove for the esbit cubes
>fishing gear (or is that green thing a fishing kit?.) matchcase is a complete fishing kit- see pic
>3 more needles (they weight nothing and you can lose one easily)
why?!?! I'm not slipshod with my gear, but I may add another smaller needle
>maybe another knife, smaller in case you lose the opinel.
why would I lose it? as for smaller, it's an Opinel 5, anything smaller would be pretty pointless
>lose the can-opener-spoon and that pos sharpener. they're useless in any real survival situation.
the knife sharpener gets used along with the knife itself more than any other part of the kit
>>600882 the can opener is gimmicky but it was a freebie, I keep meaning to swap it out for a P38 but keep forgetting
>>601012 I appreciate the insight. I'll definitely use this compass to learn and practice with. I laughed at the shelling in the woods remark but you're absolutely right. In time I'll figure out what features of a compass i really need and if its worth the weight compromise of keeping this compass or purchasing a lighter model. Thanks again
>>601420 Correct. I think the names are derived from the amount of cranks needed to open the can but I may be wrong. I purchased 2 P51s and have them taped together in my BOB. Those things are sharp as hell, don't want em floating around your bag
>>595612 >SAK (with knife and saw would be best) >fluorocarbon fishing line (will not degrade as fast as mono + also for stitching up large gashes) >5 fish hooks >iodine (in a small vial) ->disinfectant and water purifier >large bic lighter >some wire >little bit of rolled up duct tape >needle >ziploc bag >little bit of gauze >then polish up the inside of the can to make a good reflector
>>600852 this would be useful if you crashed hard enough to hurt yourself, but were still OK enough to patch yourself up. Have some bandages and w/e on you, but stuff like a BVM or trach trach tubes will be useless unless you know how to use them on others. for a solid normie car kit, carry >a solid knife >550 cord or whatever static cordage >jumper cables >fix-a-flat >fire extinguisher (preferaby quickly accessible) >gloves >roll of duct tape >headlamp + spare batteries. not a flashlight >drinking water >food that doesn't need to be heated >a waterproof jacket/poncho >a few heavy duty garbage bags >signal mirror/flare gun etc
>>606330 >if you need a compass for general north south directions. It depends on where you are. It's not always enought to head "general north south". In sparsely populated areas you can die before you find the road. On a cloudy day it's impossible to tell where the directions are. In the early morning and late evening it's usually clear, but how are you going to travel during the day, without a compass?
Then there are the people who don't know what north or south means. They think south means warm and north cold. Following your reasoning more than half of all Americans should seriously consider killing themselves.
>>608822 Why is it a shitty idea? Ibuprofen is a weak pain killer which is going to make very little difference if your seriously injured. Antibiotics fight infections which could kill you. By "an antibiotic" I meant a weeks course.
>>608826 Because you can't fit enough antibiotics into an altoids tin to be useful, and that's not even accounting for the fact that it's impossible to know beforehand what bug you'll get, so there's no guarantee that whatever flavor of antibiotic you pack would be effective. Ibuprofen is useful for fighting a fever from an infection, and can help relive the pain of a sprained/broken ankle enough to walk out on your own potentially.
>>608909 Remove powder from capsules and compress into a small baggie. 10g or slightly less would be a weeks dose. You could even take less which would at least slow the spread of the infection and might even completely get rid of it in a few days. Amoxicillin would be very usefull for animal bites or general cuts that may get infected. Ibuprofen, whilst it will reduce a fever, is going to do fuck all if you brake your ankle. Most people can deal with a bit of pain whereas an infection can kill you.
Also quite a few plants could be used for pain relief.
I make a lot of those as ahobby. It is a great, useful and affordable. There is no point of having a giant kit if you endup not carying it around with you. If it does not fit in your pocket you endup leaving in the tent, or car. The can can be used as a backup or primary survival kit. So that is the first thing you need to decide before you start chosing what to bring
>>608827 depends on temperature and how frozen your ass is if you have no fine motor skills then ferro rod with highly flammable tinder is best probably if your hands work just fine then lighter is best and if your lighter crapped on you then you can still use the matches i would bring all 3
Bic lighter + candle combo. I have never run out of gas while /out/ and I carry a spare. The only problem I've encountered is that lighters don't work too good at high altitudes, but that's what high-altitude lighters are for.
>>609817 You shouldn't be sleeping up that high in this situation.
Anyway, I used to carry these things in my tool belt for work: nylon cord compass magnesium+ferro rod small first aid kit (blister+splinters) DEET (99%) waterproof sunscreen I also had a 1L bottle inside a metal cup, inside a bottle pouch on the webbing. Also carried a machete (work related), a pocket knife, ID, and handkerchief. There really isn't much you need in the woods to survive the night if you know what you're doing. I did it with just a fire early one fall.
safety pin splinter pickers large bandaids waterproof first-aid tape bacitracin ointment I expanded the first aid kit to include benzoine compound, cloth tape and gauze pads (knife wounds), and a small pointy syringe. I apply waterproof sunscreen or bug spray before I leave the truck, but it doesn't hurt to keep a small tube handy in case I forget. Maybe the first aid kit would fit in an altoids tin if you had a small enough container for the benzoine, and wrapped the tape on a pencil nub or something.
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