>>601769 Not the same guy but much more culture needs to be build before an actual 3D community can come together. I my estimation even real planning stages for such an endeavor is at least a year away.
>>601730 It may seem cool and edgy when your a kid but when your middle aged and never even had gf or wife let me tell you I don't recommend it. I realise not all of us will or can but there is no need to shill this.
This is the most pathetic movement I've ever heard of. I bet if a girl showed even the slightest bit of affection all of you strong independent men who dont need no women would throw your beliefs out of the window.
Nevermind the fact that you didn't choose to go your own way. It's just that women don't want to go any way with you.
What the fuck is this. One of my all time favorite people, my role model ever since I was in elementary school watching PBS, Richard Fucking Proenneke, having his image co-opted by venomous, sad, spiteful jokes of human beings.
Wasn't he married? He spent time in the wilderness but he was having shit sent to him by his wife and sent her gifts in return. He obviously loved her and she respected his desire to live in the wilderness Isn't that the precise opposite of mgtow
>>602284 Its pretty clear that these niggers know nothing about dick at all, they just know he left society and thats why these neckbeards idolise him, because he did (although im sure for very different reasons) what they want to do (yet cant) because theyre such fucking failures as part of THIS system.
>>602284 No, he wasn't married. But by all verifiable accounts Dick was a very friendly, social man who didn't really have a problem with women or really anyone. He welcomed visitors to his cabin and would like several miles just to greet and socialize with people who were camping near the lakes.
>>602295 He didn't "leave society" though, he retired. He spent the first five decades of his life as a normal, social, functioning member of society. He also worked really hard for his entire adult life and saved up to retire. He wasn't a survivalist or a doomsday prepper, he didn't have a problem with people or society, he didn't even live at Twin Lakes full time at first.
I call him a modern-day Henry David Thoreau,'' said John Branson, a Lake Clark park ranger and historian who was a longtime friend of Proenneke's.
"Proenneke moved permanently to Twin Lakes in 1968 at age 52 after retiring as a diesel mechanic and heavy-equipment operator in Kodiak. Branson said Proenneke wanted to live deep in the wilderness out of a need for simplicity rather than to escape his fellows.
He was not to be misconstrued as an end-of-the-roader or anti-social at all,'' Branson told the Anchorage Daily News. He was extremely hospitable and gracious to visitors.''"
>>602419 Dick also occasionally left the lakes to visit friends and family. In the mid-70s he owned a float plane and flew it between Alaska and Iowa to visit his family. Unfortunately in 1976 he was badly injured in crash landing and had to live with his brother in California until he was well enough to live on his own again.
>>602417 The man left society altogether. That is not absolute proof but its better that you saying "Oh he was so polite, me must have loved all people equally including women". No one will ever know for sure since the man is dead but the MGTOW case seems stronger than yours at least to me.
>>602447 That is a meaningless quote. The way I see it, he did like people in small doses and was very friendly when they were around. It was the day to day grind that he did not like, and he damn sure did not want to be worn down day after day by some angry childish woman. So yeah, not very strong evidence there anon.
>>602450 >he damn sure did not want to be worn down day after day by some angry childish woman.
Maybe so, but that doesn't make him a MGTOW. You spergs are defined not by your lack of interest in marriage or relationships (which many reasonable men have) but your obsessive bitterness, inability to focus on anything but women, and near-fanatical determination to talk shit about women all the fucking time. Mr. Proenneke had none of these characteristics, making him an extremely poor example of a MGTOW.
>>602455 >but your obsessive bitterness, inability to focus on anything but women, and near-fanatical determination to talk shit about women all the fucking time.
Not the anon you were talking to but damn that's about as right as it gets. Many vegetarians never shut the hell up about meat Many feminists never shut the hell up about men. Many non-americans never shut the hell up about US americans. Many [insert race/religious group/ here] never shut the hell up about [insert race/religious group here].
All those people (including outspoken mgtows) need to get over it and live their lives.
>>602450 It says in that article he NEVER talked about women, marriage or disliking society. You're desperately reaching for evidence of something that isn't there because MGTOW so desperately want to claim a hero for themselves so they can validate their childish behavior. Dick, by all accounts of his memoirs friends and acquaintances was simply a man who craved the solace of nature. He was not your woman hating anti social hero no matter how hard you search for proof that isn't there. It's hard to believe MGTOWs can get any more pathetic but I suppose all this conjecture proves where there is a will there is a way
>>602466 Then Ted Kaczynski (the Unabomber) was a MGTOW as well, since he lived in a shack away from civilization and avoided women. Don't like it? Think it makes you morons look bad? Tough shit. You don't get to define "MGTOW" even if you do like it.
>>602504 >>602501 >>602496 Why such anger? I read somewhere that anytime there is a MGTOW discussion on the internet, women show up in droves pretending to be men. How can you tell who the women are? Men , even those who would never ever go MGTOW, LOVE MGTOW? Why is that? Because the more men that leave the field , the more women are left for the men that remain. It is a huge boon for straight men. So yeah , the ones yelling the loudest about what pathetic losers the MGTOW are? Those are women pretending to be men and they are scared.
>Wahh someone disagrees with my inherently stupid fad, must be a woman! MGTOW are,unsurprisingly, huge babies who can't accept an ounce of criticism. No one cares if you want to abandon society. The problem is that you aren't; you're co opting a famous figure and trying to mold him into some anti society woman hating figure because the reality is that no one of importance believes what you believe. Dick proenekke was an incredible man and everytime some man baby tries to figure dick into a MGTOW it flies in the face of reasonable ad well adjusted people who see him for who he really is - a hard working man who craved the simplicity of nature, not some manchild pariah.
You want to "go your own way" ? Then shut the fuck up and do it and stop dragging a good man's name through your dirt
>>602519 I'd be all for MGTOW if you just shut up and went. But no, you have to be whiny hypocrites about it. "I'm leaving society! I'm self sufficient, just like Dick Proenneke! G-guys, make me a MGTOW patch, pretty please!! I want a club!!!!" No, fuck off.
This is like those fat acceptance tumblr chicks using marilyn monroe as some sort of idol or symbolic leader for their dumbfuck movement, you know how stupid that looks, that's exactly what your doing now.
I cant imagine dick being a spiteful manchild like all these self proclaimed mgtow, read his journals, watch the stuff about him, read first hand accounts of his interactions with people. He just loved nature, so he ran TO it, he wasn't running away from anything.
i mean, i get this MGTOW movement, i figure its some sort of reaction to aggressive #downwiththepatriarchy post modern feminism.
>>602596 Im sure that's true, i figure that's probably because they're actually going their own way instead of just talking about it. And they good/nice ones probably don't need to throw the fact that they are MGTOW in your face every 5 mins.
of course discussing the idea is fine, but it really depends on what were actually discussing...
The mgtow ideology is one of those ones i have issues with, i disagree with what a lot of people say about the movement, and what people apparently within the movement stand for. The (granted limited number of ) individuals ive interacted with who have identified themselves as mgtow, present in a way that leads me to believe they just hate women, and use the mgtow label as a way to spread/justify/meet others who share that hatred.
I dont think you can shrug off the idea of a relationship (of any kind) without being terribly angry inside. The label seems like it attracts a lot of angry people.
>>602635 >I dont think you can shrug off the idea of a relationship (of any kind) without being terribly angry inside.
This is where I believe you are mistaken. Most of us are just wanting to sit out of the game until the rules are given a good looking over. For me its all the "rape culture " stuff being slung around at my college. I personally dont see any rape culture at all at my school and I have a feeling that there is not much at other schools either, but none the less I feel constant pressure to walk on eggshells around women. After a while it gets to be a big deal. I figure that if enough of us bow out, things will change or at least get to a place where they can be discussed.
>>602672 >there are no rules, Culture is rules anon. There is acceptable and unacceptable behavior. What is socially acceptable is changing in ways that I do not like. MGTOW is the best way I have found to navigate the changing waters. Cultures change in colleges first and I am at ground zero. You may have long since graduated and do not now how things are or perhaps are at a conservative school. All I can say is that great change is happening and its pretty hard to deny from my vantage point.
>>602686 No, culture is perceived rules, perceived socially acceptable behaviour, people break these rules every day and are not punished for doing so. Of there is no punishment or enforcement of these rules beyond the disapproval of others, then the rules dont actually matter.
The rules that matter are laws.
While you think your position at "ground zero" gives you a unique insight into whats happening, i have to tell you, that you are mistaken.
You are a college student, you exist in a bubble that does nor represent reality.
Literally no one gives a fuck about MGTOW, except that MGTOW do absolutely pants on head retarded shit like what they've been doing in this thread - perverting a iconic figure for the sake of their own movement.
SEVERAL threads on /out/ have been derailed by MGTOW children shitposting, spamming and whining about their own inadequacies and blaming it on the rest of society. The homestead threads for example - when the majority agreed they'd rather build with women than self proclaimed rapists, threads were spammed for days with butthurt And then there is the intellectual dishonesty! This entire thread was spent debunking false claim after false claim and instead of owning up to being entirely wrong about who Dick Proenekke was and what he did, you all veiled it under "wahh ur all being so mean to me!". Because that is the reality. Instead of owning up to being wrong, MGTOW whine and cry about unfair treatment when it's truthfully just them being shown how ridiculous they are.
I was there at the beginning of each of those threads. They weren't MGTOW. If they were they certainly weren't advertised as such. I clearly recall the beginning of the first thread. The OP said he wanted to get to fucking doing a homestead and everyone agreed. One guy wanted to bring his wife and everyone except ONE asshole was fine because "i have rape fantasies/you'll have to share your wife with the community LEL" Everyone told him he was retarded and they didn't want a rapist among them and so when everyone agreed it wasn't a MGTOW project he got butthurt and proceeded to spam the next two threads. Like I said they're petulant manchildren with a pitiful inability to handle criticism.
Even if it did, guess what? Literally no one was on board for any MGTOW rapist fantasy shit. By the second and third homesteading thread the MGTOW crowd could have long made a new thread with more clear idea of what they wanted. But instead of doing so, they spammed thread after thread.
And even WITH the filename, we've fucking established that Dick fucking Proenekke isn't a MGTOW.
>>602743 Dude , you are wrong. All those threads were MGTOW threads, no one paid much attention to them until rapey feeling derailed the whole thing and everyone came to see what was going on. Once people started making non MGTOW threads, there were about 10 negative posts then they were ignored by MGTOW. Check the archives mate. Its all there.
None of the recent threads have been MGTOW. I would know since I've been in them (except for that "never marry" troll bait thread maybe) 2, 3 months ago? sure whatever. But certainly not the Maine homestead. Either way the point stands. No one in the past 3 months wants any involvement in MGTOW and no true sc/out/ wants MGTOW tarnishing Dick Proenekke's name. Take your trash elsewhere if you want asspats.
>>602765 Actually, the non-MGTOW threads seem to be doing a hell of a lot better than the MGTOW ones. The Maine homesteaders have managed to get a google doc together. The MGTOWs haven't even decided on Colorado or New Mexico yet.
>>602841 If you really break it down, all men are men who are going their own way, the idea that you need to shrug off relationships or society or...well...anything to meet the criteria is bloody ridiculous, i dont need a damn label to tell me im walking my own path.
A man who is alive is going his own way, he makes the decisions that govern his life, no one else, people can tell you what they want you to do, but the end say about what a man does or doesn't do lies with the individual.
Why go MGTOW when you can bring your qt gf with you? Ever had sex on the beach of Lake Superior out inna woods with a fire burning and Bon Iver playing softly in the background? You little shit's are missing out.
>>603909 Yeah... No there are gay guys that go their own way, it's just they tend to either be in the closet or view relationships as something artificially created and draining. About as sad as straight ones but this time with added venom to women and on top of that with a weird criteria of who is the 'proper' partner that will slavishly devote their life to them but at the same time be as distant as them too.
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