>>606615 >mfw I just got the 6 sven saws (vintage, still in package, american made) I picked up at a thrift shop in Missouri this summer for next to nothing each, in the mail >looking at a pile of sven saws
The only reason I can imagine having a fire is if you live in the northern part of the continent during winter and night is 10+ hours long. In that case you are kinda forced to be awake after dark and a fire would be nice.
However, I live in Wisconsin and haven't wanted or used a fire backpacking or hunting in November or March. Maybe if you live in Canada or Alaska but then you are contesting with the snow for dry wood. So this scenario seems far fetched and retarded.
>>606691 I'm in Oregon. I was in Missouri beginning of summer after driving down from Wisconsin to check out the Mark Twain forest. It sucks, by the way. Found the saws in Steelville. The guy that owned the shop said that the guy that brings them in on consignment has a fuckton of them. Got 'em for 5 bucks a piece.
I've read a little online and apparently the "made in minnesota" ones are the highest quality and things have declined recently since they're not made there any more. I left them in Wisconsin cause I didn't want to check bags on the plane and they just got sent to me finally.
Also, Wisconsinite telling anyone about being /out/. Lol.
Double also, I roll with a saw, a knife, and a hatchet. Saws weigh nothing, knives weigh nothing, and the little bit of weight added by a hatchet is always word it. I carry a 28" axe and it's useful in 9 million ways.
>>606615 Just buy a cheap one and take it /out/ a few times and figure out whether it was worth it or not. Only you can answer the question you asked. If you end up not liking it for /out/ then you have a new tool for around the yard. Alternatively you could sell it, or gift it to someone that wants/needs one. I use a marbles camp axe, it's right around 2lbs and I enjoy having the option even if I don't use it every time I go out. I picked it up on sale for $20, I see them around from $25 - $35.
>>607344 >find two saplings that are close enough together >place a piece of seasoned deadfall between tem like that >snap trunk of rearward sapling because you're attempting to break a fulcrum like a retard and thats how levers work at applying mechanical advantage
>>606615 depends where you are, what you're doing, and if you are allowed to cut wood/even have a fire
>>607422 propping it up on one end, by the way, can be done with your hand. literlaly hold one end with the other on the floor, bring one foot up to rest on the middle, and slowly shift your weight to that foot. it works.
and with bits that aren't too thick, just smack them in the middle against trees really hard like a baseball bat
>>607419 I would actually say 4" is the max width I can comfortably break a 2' piece of dry ponderosa actually, and is about ideal for firewood. I wouldn't mess with anything thicker. I think you might be saying 4" while envisioning something more like 6". Good firewood for me is about 3-5" thick and 3' long, but honestly I don't even mess with breaking it up a lot of the time and just burn 5-6' pieces in half before shoving the two halves in.
>>607422 >I've attempted this lots of times. I really get the feeling that people in this thread have not actually attempted this. I am not kidding at all when I say that I do this all of the time without a problem, and I camp a lot. I don't like metal tools and this is how I break up my wood. I'm not even some crazy buff guy. I'm not sure why you're all denying this tried and true ancient method of making firewood, is it just being really into tools or something?
>>607429 Ill give it a go but i seriously doubt itll work. Maybe were you are the type of trees around have softer wood but ill be surprised if i can break decent peices with this method. Ill probably do it on wood after i saw it so i dont have to saw as long but for untouched stuff im sceptical
I am into buying quality tools ill admit but only the necessary ones
"Hike your own goddamn hike" Depends on your what you are trying to accomplish outdoors. A hunter and an Appalachian thru hiker have very different objectives, thus different gear. If you're hiking a multi-day trail I don't recommend an axe, infact depending on the climate you may only want a folder (though I simply prefer 4"-6" fixed blade, weight vs capability wise).
If you're hunting from a base camp though, especially in the North during opening day, an axe or hatchet can be an invaluable tool. Breaking branches between 2 trees, batoning, beaver chewing, bending and slicing, etc are all great things to know how to do and I have done all of these myself in confidence.
But if you can take the weight, what's a more effective tool for processing firewood? A felling axe or a Mora? Obviously if weight isn't as important you choose the equipment accordingly that you prefer. For me, usually my old Marttini knife and my Estwing 14in hatchet or Bahco/Corona folding saw. Occasionally a Cold Steel SRK or an Ontario SP8(which is in my truck 'urvryday), RAK, or USAF knife will replace those.
>>606712 Confirmed for being an ignorant and sheltered racist and not realizing American made products are in most cases of an inferior quality. The blind patriotism in your country gets in the way of common sense.
>>607429 People seem to want this shit to be so much harder than it is, I guess so they feel like master survivalists after they manage to make a fire with modern technology? I don't know. Making a fire just isn't that hard, even if it's wet.
>>609611 Well since you're clearly Australian, why aren't you buying Australian made? Which is actual good quality. Yeah thank fuck for the TPP screwing Australian manufacturing even further. Soon we will do nothing but serve people coffee.
>>609541 Do you actually believe that Chinese goods are better? I'm American but I have a Swedish axe. It's cash. I prefer to pay more for items that are built to last. For disposable shit like t-shirts and electronics I don't really give a fuck.
>>609663 No I don't think Chinese is necessarily better. (also I'm not >>606706 just in case you thought I was) But Chinese quality has improved a lot from 20 years ago and is perfectly acceptable today in most cases. I still wouldn't touch a Chinese car, but I also wouldn't touch an American one. Remember when the world ridiculed Japan for the quality of their goods?
I too prefer goods built to last. I'm not saying all American stuff is shit. But there are things they do good, and things they do bad. Just because it says "Made in USA" doesn't mean it's good, and just because it says made in somewhere else doesn't mean it's bad - which is the mentality i see in Americans pretty often.
>>609541 Because I want to see my fellow countrymen employed?
Because I don't support communist countries?
>Inb4 Taiwan = china. It doesn't.
I'm a mechanic. I buy tools form Taiwan all the time. They're usually inexpensive. But the quality isn't quite up to the better US manufacturers yet. Still good enough for most jobs. And if I loose it or break it's not a big deal. Now my SnapOn tools almost never break. But cost and arm and a leg to replace.
Communism isn't the root of all evil, champs. Believe it or not, capitalism hasn't turned out so great either. You know climate change? Christ I hope you're not so stupid that you deny climate change. The GFC? Where half of your great country lost their jobs and homes? Capitalism basically kicked that all off. Anyway this is getting very /pol/ now so that's enough
FWIW, I brought my hatchet camping once and used it to bang in tent pegs. I could've used a rock for that. I say bring a saw.
>>609808 >You know climate change? Yes, but nothing is going to stop it, not even communism. If you think we stop using fossil fuels, keep dreaming. It would cost next to nothing to stop cutting down the Amazon, yet we fail to do it. Obama does nothing, the China does nothing, the EU does nothing and the UN does nothing. The climate might very well turn back once all the fuel is spent and there are no planes on the sky, but the Amazon will take hundreds of millions of years to grow back.
As for capitalism I think it works well as long as it's under control. In US and EU it's not and that's why everything is made in China. The China is even worse and that's why there's slavery and they're literally making their country uninhabitable.
Having governmental quality control would solve all these problems, but how can we expect our government to set quality standards if we don't set them ourself?
>TL;DR? Buy a batoning knife and use either the baton or a rock to bang tent pegs.
>>609808 So much butthurt for something so small. >Where half of your great country lost their jobs and homes? Not American >Communism isn't the root of all evil, champs Couldn't care less about communism >The GFC? largely unaffected(Country) >Capitalism basically kicked that all off. Ohh, really, thanks for that captain obvious >Jesus. Most people got over yellow peril 50 years ago. I'm pretty sure all the other Asian countries I buy off would also be yellow according to your good self, difference is they play on an even footing, private industry trading with private industry, China needs to step into the first world and in the not to distant they're not going to have a choice with the middle class they're birthing.
You might be happy to buy from China, congratulations, I buy from China regularly myself but if there's an option for locally made goods and I can afford them, I'll pick them 100% of the time.
As for this comment >capitalism hasn't turned out so great either Bullshit, it might not be perfect but it's the only thing in the last few millennia which has put stepping stones between the obscenely rich/powerful and the legitimately powerless.
>>606705 >The only reason I can imagine having a fire is if you live in the northern part of the continent during winter and night is 10+ hours long. Spotted the casual. You've never camped longer than the amount of water you can carry provides, or further away than walking distance from a source of clean, fresh water.
>>609637 I'm not Australian but I do buy Australian when I can. Again, generally good quality but I think sometimes Aussie-made stuff isn't designed or marketed as well simply because it's not produced in huge volumes by huge companies.
>>609718 I think the real question is can Chinese companies make goods with independent quality standards? To what degree does quality control by non-Chinese companies influence the quality of the outputs of Chinese factories?
>>609798 Mah nigga. Slowly trying to replace all my 'decent' quality Taiwanese tools with god-tier SnapOn and Stahlwille
Good point too; buying a PRC-made product is supporting Communism.
>>609808 Capitalism might not be perfect, but communism is fucked up. Also, you seem to confuse fiat currency and our banking systems with Capitalism. They're not the same. And climate change is a con, too.
>>610165 Inequality is the result of social welfare. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XooUY4p4RaY
I own a Helko hatchet, a Fiskars X5 and a Cold Steel Trail Hawk. I've found that the only one worth carrying is the X5 because it's very effective for the weight. The Trail Hawk is similar weight and less effective and the Helko hatchet is significantly heavier for virtually no extra utility. Why is the X5 not more popular on /out/?
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