>According to the story, the NSA targets anyone who searches for online articles about Tails -- like this one that we published in April, or this article for teens that I wrote in May -- or Tor (The Onion Router, which we've been posted about since 2004). Anyone who is determined to be using Tor is also targeted for long-term surveillance and retention.
>One expert suggested that the NSA's intention here was to separate the sheep from the goats -- to split the entire population of the Internet into "people who have the technical know-how to be private" and "people who don't" and then capture all the communications from the first group.
>Another expert said that s/he believed that this leak may come from a second source, not Edward Snowden, as s/he had not seen this in the original Snowden docs; and had seen other revelations that also appeared independent of the Snowden materials. If that's true, it's big news, as Snowden was the first person to ever leak docs from the NSA. The existence of a potential second source means that Snowden may have inspired some of his former colleagues to take a long, hard look at the agency's cavalier attitude to the law and decency.
So where are those idiots who said "the NSA isn't interested in you" now? It's not a far stretch to say anyone who comes on /pol/ is considered an extremist by the NSA.
I use Tor because my landlord is a shitlord that blocks sites he deems 'dangerous' to his network. I used to not even be able to read 4chan but I guess the government doesn't care about reasons.
If I had to hazard I guess, I'd say they can't actually make much sense of this like traffic on TOR, although they might, when pressed, be able to get some incriminating evidence out of it, and this is just counter-intel. Discourage most people from using these sort of networks, if only to reduce their own work load.
Your average Joe won't bother since he doesn't know how, and probably never even heard of it, but now you have divide and conquer working, and Average Joe thinks he's "safer" from investigation by just blindly blundering around the internet as usual. Meanwhile, investigators can throw some shit around about onion networks when its convenient and no one will ask questions, because only criminals use that shit.
You're not understanding what's going on here.
The NSA knows they can't see what you're doing on Tor, so to make up for that they watch EVERYTHING you do and try to figure out what you're doing and possibly waiting for you to slip up.
Pedos will probably fit one profile, "terrorists" another, dissents yet another, etc.
That's basically what I said. By "leaking" they target TOR users the hope is a certain part of that userbase will basically just give the fuck up on TOR or networks like it, and just operate in the wide open web.
I don't see the point in a world without 'technical' people. Doubt Nobody's goal is to rule over a bunch of idiots. If anything, they probably want to get rid of everyone who doesn't have the 'technical know-how'. Besides, if there exists a group of diabolical elites out to get edgy youths, we're pretty much fucked. If technology is used to it 's potental, there is no such thing as 'privacy' in 3-dimensions.
You could develop a camera that captures an infinite number of pictures in every direction at every point the light travels. You could attach a signature to any mass and track it from anywhere. You could know the 'future' and change the odds. There just is no point in assuming control of such a limited scope as the so-called reality.
I wouldn't worry about it. Just try to be selfless.
>A new story published on the German site Tagesschau and followed up by BoingBoing and DasErste.de has uncovered some shocking details about who the NSA targets for surveillance including visitors to Linux Journal itself.
Too bad, linuxfags
>The XKeyscore rules reveal that the NSA tracks all connections to a server that hosts part of an anonymous email service at the MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (CSAIL) in Cambridge, Massachusetts. It also records details about visits to a popular internet journal for Linux operating system users called "the Linux Journal - the Original Magazine of the Linux Community", and calls it an "extremist forum".
d... does this mean the NSA knows about my scat porn collection?
y...you can't take it from me! I'LL NEVER GIVE UP MY PISS JUGS
The sad part is I just get most nervous about the government knowing about my weird porn habits, even though it's all legal I just imagine some dude looking at my history /d/isgusted.
Just because they're recording you doesn't mean they're interested in you. It's just very easy and cheap to do. Don't worry you can still shoot up a school. They'll just be able to regurgitate your creepy foot fetish to the tabloids after.
Only if private citizen do it, then it's illegal :3
Tor has been proven to have vulnerabilities The NSA can probably see what you're doing if they have targeted you for close surveilance. They just don't care about pedos and druggies. Contrary to popular belief terrorists aren't actually exchanging messages on Tor, unless you call batshit anarchists and conspiracy theorists who took too much acid terrorists.
Yes, I'm probably considered an extremist
I'm just a stormfaggot who happens to believe in radical social justice for trans folks & women. I will never organise in a political way. Nor will I participate in all that nonsense. If these faggots watching me have any idea what they're doing, they know that. So I'm a nonthreat.
i though browser exploits via js, revealing to much personal info or being directely targeted for surveillance in the first place, were the only ways to have what you do on tor exposed.
other then that all they can tell is if you are using it or not.
>challenge it in court
>engage in civil protest
We passed the fucking Patriot act. The idea the American public is going to do anything is delusional and even if they did they'd bypass it to get the British to do it like they already did.
>What about those of us who are red pilled and dont have any desire to post suspicious activity like domestic terrorism? NSA need a new category.
political dissidents, you're already on a list for visiting /pol/
I'm fine with them blacklisting me for my views. Them seeing all my samefagging is more embarrassing.
Yeah, I'm not sure if their dossier on me has me listed as a "self-hating kike nigger white supremacist", or simply "internet troll". Either way, it'll be interesting times if I ever run for office.
The laws regarding spying are completely irrelevant. They pay absolutely no attention to the law. The only difference is that in recent years technology has developed to the point where they can spy on literally everyone.
>we can elect people who care about it
No, you can't.
Democracy isn't what you think it is anon, it's like saying "we can get god to pick a Pharaoh who cares about us".
I mean my g-d, how can people change so much and yet so little?
well is it better to just do nothing?
At least if people speak out there's a chance they might actually do something about it. If people stay silent it will just grow and grow.
Democracies cannot exist without courage
I'd like to apologize about all the zoophile porn and cheezy pizza, my internet has been hacked.
Please, don't tell anyone
>At least if people speak out there's a chance they might actually do something about it. If people stay silent it will just grow and grow.
No, there's not.
You're making a lot of assumptions that simply don't gel with reality in most "democratic" countries.
Democracy exists specifically because people lack the courage to govern themselves.
Something strange happened to me when the twitter hashtagwars started which i posted quite a lot in.
In two days whenever i posted and people replyed to my posts it didnt show (you) when doing so.
Also when i scrolled down in the thread at certain times the thread would black out for a couple of seconds (just the thread the browser frame and windows didnt) before i could see the posts. This happened several times, it never happened before.
While what he said is pretty inaccurate, you only have to look at radio to see what's going to happen next.
You'll need a broadcasting licence of some kind to host any kind of website.
The "idiots" who said that were federal agents
/pol/, the RevLeft website, the various reddit politics boards and basically anywhere else which could be used as a springboard to start another political movement are monitored
It's retarded and pointless of course, since the 40 year olds monitoring the 20 year olds on behalf of the 60 year olds in power are all going to change positions in the long run as the elderly elite die out and the 20 year olds become the elder statesmen themselves
But basically it's the baby boomers trying to ensure us young people don't push them out of power before they can suck the country dry and die fat and happy
>even if you can't make a change, you have a moral obligation to at least try
That's cowardice anon, you can either fail to effect change within the bounds of democratic government, or you can act outside the box.
You are too unwilling to entertain alternatives, so you pretend that there are none.
i hate acid.
A decade ago when I was 18 I got really really good shit on white blotter paper that wasn't scored.
Accidentally took about 15 hits, my friends all laughed at me. Tripped for 38 hours with lingering effects for a couple days. Had to give a speech at community college about a "hobby" I had under the influence.
Walked in the classroom, realized what was going on and I didn't have a speech about a hobby prepared. Pulled out a broken ass disposable camera, stood in front of class and said I liked photography.
Then I stopped talking and stared at the carpet moving for a good five minutes, while everyone stared at me. Panicked, and ran out of the room knocking over some cake some bitch had made, went all into the carpet.
Never did LSD again.
It was more like a "Oh God will this ever end" kind of drug.
Oy. I did a pretty solid mushroom dose once, I know that feeling. Luckily I was in my room basically alone for the whole trip, but I kept thinking to myself, "Is this ever going to end? Am I going to be like this forever?" It terrified me.
It's too late. They already have the infrastructure in place to round up the leaders and key people in such a movement and crush it before it even starts. It needed to happen 20 years ago, or pre 9/11 at least.
>not taking mushrooms and walking around a foreign city, immensely amused by all the blacks trying to sell you cocaine.
Of course you'll freak out if you're in a room on your own.
Everything you've done online since at least 2007 has been recorded, stored and put into a database tied to your identity.
Ever accidentally seen a CP photo? Chances are they have metadata saying you did that.
Ever saw an islamic jihadist video linked from /pol/? You now have that on your record.
The NSA has been known to work with the FBI and DEA to provide evidence while making it look like the respective agencies found the evidence itself.
>"They already have the infrastructure in place to round up the leaders and key people in such a movement and crush it before it even starts."
>Implying every single place in the US in hooked up for audio and visual, having an NSA agent listening at all times.
>Implying this is even possible in parks.
>Implying one-time pads are even theoretically decipherable.
>Implying the government keeps track of what people go on "hunting trips" together.
Okaaaay, don't spread your shit on the phone or internet and you're golden. Hood niggers know this shit man, basic OpSec ain't hard, just inefficient when compared to using more modern communications systems.
That really raises the question why somebody would put so much time,effort and money in it while breaking national and international laws.
The only rational answer this has is even scarier than the recording itself.
Oh that is rich. I am sure you arranged those 'hunting trips' over the phone. That is metadata. They build a web of who you communicate with. If a rebel group gets particularly big, they WILL know, and they will have a very clear web of who contacts whom, and they will know exactly who the leaders and members are. You are so naive it hurts.
I know that these fringe ideologies (not so fringe anymore) are tools. But are the symptoms i described actual evidence or just me being paranoid?
Didnt show (you) also the contend in the thread was regulary black (the whole page except the frame of windows+ browser) for 1-5secs. That went on for 2-3days.
>>Implying every single place in the US in hooked up for audio and visual, having an NSA agent listening at all times.
>>Implying this is even possible in parks.
>>Implying one-time pads are even theoretically decipherable.
OTP isn't viable in many instances, especially telecommunication.
>>Implying the government keeps track of what people go on "hunting trips" together.
You're delusional if you think a group of people they deem suspicious getting together isn't something they'd find worth targeting.
All of the shit in this thread isn't even debatable, it's fact. This isn't some theoretical possibility, it's information that was obtained from classified NSA documents meant to explain to NSA workers how the systems in place work. You are fucking retarded if you keep denying the fact the NSA has the ability to drag net spy on people.
>over the phone
No, are you a retard?
If you can't reliably see a man in person, why the fuck would you conspire with him?
I'm saying don't use the phone, because you don't need to.
Not everyone is a pleb without any knowledge of nigger-level OpSec cunt, face-to-face in a secure location is the only way, short of some OTP-based communications system.
And even if you manage to meet up with and plan meetings with a large group of people entirely without using the internet/phones (unlikely imo), there are guaranteed to be a bunch of them simply holding cell phones on them. The locations of the cell phones is constantly harvested, even if they are not making calls/sms. They will know exactly where you all are, and who you are with. Look up 'stingray'.
Missing the point. When they are collecting any and all data, they are doing it "because they can". They don't care about criminals or terrorists, they care about spending money.
These organizations have "classified budgets" (I find the concept hilarious and sad) so we have private companies selling equipment and services for untold billions of dollars and there's no oversight and no accountability. They're just funneling billions in tax dollars out into private accounts and it's all a racket.
Follow the money (as much as that's possible).
The question is what is the higher goal, what is the endgame.You dont put up so much effort and risk (violation of national and international laws) to catch a few fringeheads that might be violent.
No shit, this has been possible for almost a century. I'm talking parks, secluded areas, etc.
>bringing your tracking device to conspire.
You don't need a phone to talk to people.
>OTP isn't viable in many instances, especially telecommunication.
I'll say this again because it's very important.
DONT USE TELECOMMUNICATIONS
>You're delusional if you think a group of people they deem suspicious getting together isn't something they'd find worth targeting.
How will they know who's getting together if you organize it by word of mouth?
You seem to think this is a /pol/-meetup scenario, you only do this shit with people you personally know and trust.
>All of the shit in this thread isn't even debatable, it's fact. This isn't some theoretical possibility, it's information that was obtained from classified NSA documents meant to explain to NSA workers how the systems in place work. You are fucking retarded if you keep denying the fact the NSA has the ability to drag net spy on people.
They can drag-net spy on people, but it's quite possible to avoid the drag-net.
Going out to meet up with co-conspirators? Do so at a time you're usually at home and leave your phone there.
It's really, really, simple shit.
>large group of people
Again, are you a retard?
I thought we were discussing conspiracy here, not a college communist rally, large numbers are unnecessary.
>there are guaranteed to be a bunch of them simply holding cell phones on them.
It's not a house-party, if people are just wandering in off the street you've fucked up immensely.
You can leave your phone at home, Christ.
In modern america, people traveling more than 1 mile without their phone is suspicious. You and your ilk will be flagged. They will note that your car was seen on traffic cameras and your cellphone was not with you. You will be considered maximum dangerous.
read your Solzhenitsyn and realize what happens when the government decides to modernize its social sewer systems.
>dont be shocked when you get a knock on your door in the middle of the night
>they're doing this because they can and they've been given a green light by Congress, the President, and the Courts
I don't even think they have a "green light" they feel they have a mandate and I bet they're even wire tapping the President, all Judges and Congress.
Their masters are the ones who the budget money is going to.
There is no endgame. They want as much information on people as possible.
Lucky for them people are willingly buying tracking devices and signing up for tracking networks like Facebook.
THEY VIOLATED NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL LAWS. That is a huge risk, you do not take huge risks to get a bigger budget and people know this. They all know what could happen if the information gets public they are not all putting their heads against the wall for a fucking alphabetsoup agency having more tax dollars to spend.
Politicians are many things anon, rarely do the naive ones reach a position of power.
Take the recent UK ban on electrical items in airports because "muh terrists are trying make bombs that can get through security", do you think a single person involved in the ban thought this was news?
I'd be hugely surprised if people weren't trying to make bombs that can get through security.
So why, just now, is it such a concern?
Why though? This isn't some extremist forum. It's just a bunch of people calling each other goyim. We're not discussing bomb making or how to execute a successful terrorist attack.
Come back when you want to start a revolution.
How many times you need to be disproven by history that shit doesn't work, for fuck sake, even the whole of europe and USA were made by violent revolution.
>>bringing your tracking device to conspire.
>You don't need a phone to talk to people.
And now you gave them the time and date you went to go do something because your phone is left home or turned off.
Abberations in data are just as telling as data.
>I'll say this again because it's very important.
>DONT USE TELECOMMUNICATIONS
Good luck starting anything. Telecommunication is the single most powerful tool the general population has ever had. There are plenty of tools which allow you anonymity and/or privacy.
>How will they know who's getting together if you organize it by word of mouth?
Unless everyone who is attending never uses the Internet or a cellphone, they can make plenty of educated guesses. Even if they don't have Internet or cellphones they can still collect data on those people because chances are extremely good that they know people who do and those people give the NSA data by proxy.
>You seem to think this is a /pol/-meetup scenario, you only do this shit with people you personally know and trust
Again, good luck starting anything.
>They can drag-net spy on people, but it's quite possible to avoid the drag-net.
And how is is quite possible?
>Going out to meet up with co-conspirators? Do so at a time you're usually at home and leave your phone there.
If they think you're conspiring they could listen to people's cells who are tied to the conspiracy. They'd realize something is up when phones are just sitting around in a silent location. Even more suspicious if they're completely powerless.
P.S, I should add that you bring up a very good point, analytics is some scary shit and a sudden change in habits will show up a red flag.
They have huge capabilities for this sort of thing but there are holes in every system.
We didnt reach the tip of the pole yet and you cannot know the outcome of revealing such information. You can only think of it as a good hand in poker. You are not putting all your chips in to bluff the big blind.
So few holes nearly nobody knows about, lesser people know how to exploit them, even lesser people are willing to put up with that shit = 5 tinfoilers that wont make a difference.
Analytics like this is literally their job, and they do it on a daily basis in places like Afghanistan. I doubt they employ such policies to us murricans yet but, they certainly COULD.
>We didnt reach the tip of the pole yet and you cannot know the outcome of revealing such information.
It's been a year. No one's even been scapegoated. They said "Snowden helped terrorists" and that's as far as this went. The shit should have hot the fan immediately. No one even fucking resigned. There have been NO consequences for anyone with any responsibility. It should have ended the jobs of many people in Washington, including the Obama administration and members of congress who knew, but it didn't.
They shrugged it off because they operate outside the law.
This, while violating the law, is nothing more than a cash cow to whoever is reaping the benefits.
TOR was an obvious honeypot from day 1. looking it up, using it, etc, flagged you before you even started using it. maybe they cant track what you do through TOR, but all the rest of your un'TOR'd activity is now redflagged for extra scrutinize.
there is no anonymity on the internet and there never has been. its a series of connections, connections that can be drawn out and proxied, but connections that can be traced none-the-less, especially when the corporations own all the infrastructure and produce all the hardware and software you use.
>And now you gave them the time and date you went to go do something because your phone is left home or turned off.
I leave my phone around all the time, can never remember to bring it with me. If I was to rise up against my rather reasonable EU country nothing would change.
>Good luck starting anything. Telecommunication is the single most powerful tool the general population has ever had. There are plenty of tools which allow you anonymity and/or privacy.
It's powerful but vulnerable.. Hell even CPUs have shit built into them these days. Don't trust electronics for subterfuge, by all means keep using them for goybook and shitposting.
>Unless everyone who is attending never uses the Internet or a cellphone, they can make plenty of educated guesses. Even if they don't have Internet or cellphones they can still collect data on those people because chances are extremely good that they know people who do and those people give the NSA data by proxy.
Don't talk, problem solved.
If you're involving loudmouths in your organization you're fucked either way. It's to be assumed that such a basic rule is followed, akin to assuming a driver should look where he's going.
>Again, good luck starting anything.
What is "anything" to you anon?
Should people start designing logos and handing out super-sekrit spy badges?
Organization size must be minimal, once it becomes "something" recognizable it's too far.
>And how is is quite possible?
I've stated many ways, most of which involve leaving your electronic life inside the net while you leave for a short while.
>If they think you're conspiring they could listen to people's cells who are tied to the conspiracy. They'd realize something is up when phones are just sitting around in a silent location. Even more suspicious if they're completely powerless.
People don't tend to talk lots while sleeping. People also charge their phone, thus leaving it sitting around.
It's not easy, but it's possible.
Lel, a minister using his state paid car in private has caused more outrage, alltough people are suspicious at that point.
The point is that you do not take such big risks when it might aswell hit the fan. Maybe they got off with not even a blue eye but that could have went the other way. You do not take such risks to make a few extra bucks.
The iraq war was something about money, big money with an even more predictable outcome aka a more caluclated risk. The NSA-shit is far more harder to control, put up with that much shit for a few extra bucks? Seems unlikely to me.
I don't think you understand just how wide-ranging the system is. If you're friends with someone, good enough friends to conspire, then your affiliation creates data. All security camera footage is monitored(look up Trapwire), all phone activity including movement, all financial activity and all web activity.
If you have a group of friends, the government knows about it and has that recorded. If one member starts browsing "extremist" sites, and those sites start showing up in other members of this group's web traffic then you get caught.
The system that has been built up over the years is insane - but while the spying infrastructure is there, the actual totalitarian dictatorship still maintains a facade of legitimacy which most people accept.
>The NSA-shit is far more harder to control, put up with that much shit for a few extra bucks?
This is the bread and butter of politics, though it's moved from backroom arms purchases to more diverse contracts.
Rent-seeking will continue anon, rapists will keep raping, and gamblers will keep betting their wages on the roll of a dice.
It's also pretty easy to gauge people's responses to things like surveillance whistle-blowing. Look at the goybook studies on "emotional contagions" to see how.
>paranoid and stupid people shouldn't be considered a disproportionate risk
-Sites frequented by predomantly paranoid and stupid people
>So few holes nearly nobody knows about, lesser people know how to exploit them, even lesser people are willing to put up with that shit = 5 tinfoilers that wont make a difference.
I know rite?
The 12 men who survived the abysmal landing on the Granma in Cuba didn't do shit.
You are partly right but you miss one point: Reputation.
People all over the world know about it and they are losing credibility. You can only do so much foul deals before people dont take your shit anymore. So i rather make the big deals with a more caculated outcome (war) than doing the uncalculated deal that pays less and takes a bigger part of my credibility.
I miss the medieval threads, nothing but fedoras and public school graduates getting #rekt, they're the true redpills.
The iraq war is not something about politicians there were a lot of people that made huge profits from it. Also by doing that you are stunting the opportunity over other groups that want a bigger part of the cake.
So when i m a bigger bully than you and you are shitting on my soil i will knock you out.
If i m a trillion dollar industry and you are fucking up my trillion dollar deal to make some lame bucks i ll raise hell that you wont do this.
>The point is that you do not take such big risks when it might aswell hit the fan. Maybe they got off with not even a blue eye but that could have went the other way. You do not take such risks to make a few extra bucks.
for a classified budget of probably hundreds of billions, yeah, they're going to take that "risk". It was proven worthy to take that risk because there was no consequences.
They took the risk "because they could". You won't convince me that spying on every single foreign government (friend or foe), every American grandmother's phone calls and every stupid fucking tweet was a "risk" for some great purpose. They had no purpose. It's obvious.
What are they even going to learn that is at all useful towards them? That I like music going on /pol/ occasionally or that I like looking at porn? Don't see how that at all puts me in a tight spot. Gotta say the NSA created one of the biggest surveillance networks. Only for it to become the biggest money wasters.
The NSA's architecture is essential for the plans of the international bankers. They will defend it and strengthen it and expand it until the day they flip the switch and all the information in MAIN.CORE is sent out to the relevant police stations. The amount of automatic profiling technology they have access to is staggering - and made worse by the amount of data they have. Not to mention the immense power that the NSA's database provides. Israel used their access to it to blackmail Clinton(look up MEGA and Lewinsky). When you can use the system to blackmail presidents then judges, senators etc are easy.
The surveillance state did not just pop out of the aether or get haphazardly put together out of scrap - there's no way you can get a setup like that by accident.
Or you can think of it as a protection layer. Syping on joe average lets you know where joe average is going before joe knows it. You pick up the trends, the surely increasing frustration and you know when the pot is going to explode. You can redirect the frustration see SJWs, they redirect the growing frustration at eachother making them fight against themselves. Black vs white, men vs women etc.
Oh noes, people go on the internet to look at porn! Really now who doesn't nowadays? Shit I bet a shit ton of the agents at the NSA jack off to porn when they come home. Even if they don't they sure as hell view it when they're spying on us.
Now imagine if your employer, friends and family found out what kind of pornography you masturbate to.
And hey, since they're the government they can just throw some CP in there and claim national security if anyone asks how they found the evidence.
Actually since this is 4chan chances are he's seen CP on here, so all the NSA would have to do is find one instance where he accidentally downloaded CP and that's enough for a conviction.
>Or you can think of it as a protection layer. Syping on joe average lets you know where joe average is going before joe knows it.
yeah but, there is so much information it's practically useless. Yes a computer is archiving and analyzing this shit, but it's just not practical. It's like old people saving 40 years worth of newspapers and magazines they read a few pages of. They can't be expected to tell you what's on page 10 of your local news paper from June 2nd 1987?
It's information that's more or less rotting on a server.
I understand they could try and plant stuff. But the fact remains I wouldn't care. In this day and age, you won't get far caring what others think of you. So what if they think I look at CP or think I am a raging furry. I know it's not true and I've been socially outcasted before.
Won't bother me, the one thing that would be finding a job. Really my porn habits don't disqualify as a competent hardworking individual. It has nothing to do with anything even if I did. But I understand also that they wouldn't care. Still I would just look at this like another challenge waiting to be conquered.
I have never downloaded anything relating to that. But sadly I have viewed some on 4chan. I do want to know when a picture becomes a line of discussion. What it's relating to exactly, but that's a given.
No you run algoritms, and pick up certain words and see if they increase and in which context they increase. If you have vasts amount of data you can easily do this. You cannot predict what person X is going to do but you can predict what mindset a huge group has.
So for example if the words bankers, banksters, government, wage, rent etc. increase in daily conversations than you know that people are getting more frustrated. If you reach a critical amount let us say 30% of the people are talking about that every day you know shit is going to hit the fan.
My friend met a professor of statistical mathematics and computing at an expo (he was paid by the ETH in swiss, an elite think tank) and he told my friend that he predicted the crisis in the ukraine in advance, my friend asked why didnt tell anyone and he never got an answer.
>I have never downloaded anything relating to that. But sadly I have viewed some on 4chan
Then you downloaded it. Even if you didn't open the full sized image it's still a felony to view the thumbnail.
Yes, even in New York, because federal law trumps state law.
Any proof to that claim? I have heard they watch conspiracy theorists because they consider us radical (Just because we don't think they can do no wrong). But it would be nice to see some sources.
Uh huh, so viewing things has now become a crime. That's rather disgusting, they don't have the right to filter my internet. They don't have the right to tell me what I can and can't see. What are we fucking North Korea now?
That is why SJWs can get you fired for literally nothhing. One bad word, taken out of context and you aree done. Why do you think everybody is trying to be PC as possible? Why do you think everybody is bowing to PC correct talk even though the conversations in private are much different?
People are afraid of being outcasted, if you do not think that way, it is completely irrelevant in the big numbers game.
>No you run algoritms, and pick up certain words and see if they increase and in which context they increase.
great, I know they do this but how often do the results of an algorithm make it into the hands of someone "actionable"? Maybe some sort of analyst takes the results and catalogs it for some supervisor that sorts through some of it that makes it to the desk of the head honcho who's too busy playing solitaire.
Think of the personnel involved. Most of them are practically "librarians" not law enforcement or agents with boots on the ground.
99.9999999% of the data is never seen by a human being. The stuff that is set aside is more than half ignored because there's too much of it.
It does nothing that a computer organizes it. Imagine if you alone had the job to read all of 4chan. There are so many updates you'd be cutting corners too.
Of course not, they don't have a vested interest in storing all that data forever, but the NSA does.
The point is that if Google and Facebook can pull meaningful data from a smaller, permanent pool of general data they collect, what makes you think the NSA can't do even more?
Its not yourt internets. They actually built it (DARPA) for redundant communications lines for elite priests and politicians during and after WW3.
It's like nuclear weapons, sure you can build nuke plants to power up a grid and stuff but most of the science goes into bombs still to this day.
US government doesn't own the internet dumbshit. It's globalized no one can say they own it. Besides the ones paying for it. But seriously where do they come in? Are the maintaining it? Are they paying to upgrade my network? Improve my bandwidth? Seriously where do you get off saying it's the US governments? Shit if this keeps up I won't even use it anymore.
When net neutrality died and the NSA started saying "Hey guys we're spying on you, Lewl". Is when this is becoming to detrimental and not as advantageous as it use to be. I didn't get the internet to be monitored by my own government that should be looking out for me.
with everything we now know about the extent of the NSA's abilities, and the obviously wide-open manufactured vulnerabilities in all our security.... Couldn't ANYONE just claim plausible dependability do to 100% unsecured nature of all our devices? "it wasnt me, the nsa, some goof kids, my vindictive ex wife, hacked my system and planted that here, here is 1000 references showing they are capable of doing this'
and then couldnt anyone with power/influence defend themselves by hiring private investigators and spys to dig up dirt on those going after them?
>The point is that if Google and Facebook can pull meaningful data from a smaller, permanent pool of general data they collect, what makes you think the NSA can't do even more?
I think the difference is that Google doesn't waste time and money capturing all data that's practically useless, they capture data that helps them make money.
The NSA captures and stores all data because some private contract dictates that need to spend that money to empty the "classified budget". One's a business the other is a scam.
There's no "national security" concerns addressed in Prism. If they were actually doing their jobs they'd be targeting specific data and acting on it.
because a human need to act on it.
Say the algorithm is this awesome perfect thing and makes a file called "Serious terrorist threat discussions and trends" and has the ISPs and identities of everyone involved. If no one looks at it and acts on it, it's completely useless.
ICANN, the governing body that controls practically every domain name online, is a US corporation subject to laws set by the US Government. This is why a few years ago ICE was able to shut down sizes that weren't even hosted in the USA.
If that weren't enough, most of the backbone servers are located in the USA.
>I think the difference is that Google doesn't waste time and money capturing all data that's practically useless
You're a fucking idiot.
What don't you understand about being able to extract meaningful data from seemingly random, useless data? I'm not even the only person who has been trying to explain this to you.
On top of that if you can have some sort of control over the information, which the NSA is KNOWN to have, you can influence the way people think.
Just because you can't comprehend why the NSA is doing all this data collection doesn't mean it's useless
They only built part of it. Bill gates also made it for public use. They don't own it first of all, because if it we're up to them. We might not have even got it in the first place.
The other thing is it's knowledge no one should claim they have a monopoly on how reality works. You didn't create the concept, it was a reality based concept. It's like copyrighting spirals and saying "I totally made this". No you just found it worked in and is based in reality. You know that saying "Nothing new under the sun".
Ugh, fucking morons and their strange wants to lay claim to everything. It's like finding out something works. Then taking credit for it and saying no one is allowed to use it or recreate it. A good portion of technology should be shared.
>because a human need to act on it.
And why is that?
>Say the algorithm is this awesome perfect thing and makes a file called "Serious terrorist threat discussions and trends" and has the ISPs and identities of everyone involved. If no one looks at it and acts on it, it's completely useless.
Obviously there is going to be human interaction if there are enough red flags, but you make it seem like it's impossible to get to that point without human interaction.
You are thinking to small and specific. They probably dont care about 10 upset tinfoilers that lost their job they are caring about trends in big parts or all of the population.How fed up are people about rent increases, what do they think about isreal, what do they think about the financial system/FED, what do they think about iran, what do they think about obama.
When you know people hate iran you can have a war, when you think people hate the decrease of the standard of living you are adressing that in the media with multiple contrary opinions and scapegoating. When you see people allying with themselves you introduce more divisive SJ topics.
You can manage the populations preception and sympathies.
>It also records details about visits to a popular internet journal for Linux operating system users called "the Linux Journal - the Original Magazine of the Linux Community", and calls it an "extremist forum".
It seems the government is getting just as paranoid as the most insane nutjob out there.
That's what I've been saying. For some reason they've become freighting paranoid. What are they so scared of, is it really just a human revolution or something?
I mean I couldn't see that they would be like this, to such an extent. I have been thinking that they've been preparing for something. What that is I don't know. But whatever it is it's going to be soon considering the rush they're in.
Well modern comunication made that more difficult, you can spread ideas fast and find likeminded people. So when the game changes you have to adapt.It is even better than bread and circuses, so much better.
This is an excellent post and I think you could write a massive article about the intersection between these concepts and the facebook mood studies.
But they absolutely do have the data about the 10 upset tinfoilers. They have a database that includes everyone and while it is highly unlikely that an individual will draw personal attention that doesn't need to happen for abuse to occur.
I'm personally of the belief that these systems are identifying and tracking people who could prove dangerous to the bankers. When the chaos strikes, they want to be the only people with a message and an answer (albeit one provided through a proxy while they remain safe somewhere else).
Well, they have to know. They can't hide under a guise. When they want to shift the government power base. It's going to be pretty obvious that we're not living under a democracy anymore. Which we're kinda living under one now. I mean how dense do they think we are?
>Which we're kinda living under one now. I mean how dense do they think we are?
We're not anon, you know better than this.
If you believe we are currently living in a democracy you are doing what you think is impossible.
They think that people will ignore any scandal as long as the mainstream media doesn't talk about it. Israel is torturing teenagers to death before burning them alive and nobody gives a shit because the MSM doesn't make it an issue or even mention it.
>accidentally finding cp on 4chan equals downloading CP.
That's bullshit. That's like saying I accidentally stumbled across some crack cocaine on the street, and it is equivalent to owning it.
>the NSA has been spying on me shitposting on /n/ when it was the news board, /new/, and /pol/
>there's an entire archive dedicated to my shitposting
You realize people have been arrested for accidentally downloading CP off limewire and shit, right?
Like, they download a video with a title like Lexi_Belle_takes_Shane_Diesels_BBC.wmv and it turns out to be CP.
Viewing CP is illegal even if you didn't mean to.
And tell me one instance someone got arrested for accidentally viewing CP on 4chan. Tell me ONE instance. Sure you can get arrested for posting it, but I doubt they will go after someone who accidentally stumbles upon it on /b/
The laws for possessing child pornography are ridiculous and give any technically knowledgeable person a way to send people they dislike to jail on a whim.
I'm not at all for pedos, but the laws in that regard deserve changing.
They ll provide multiple answers, use multiple reasons and nobody is really right or really wrong.
Throw out the lies mix with truth in variing degress so nobody knows anything. And even if somebody is telling the truth nobody could tell.
They will list that as a reason if they want to arrest you.
Oh, and you guys had better delete all of your really old 4chan images. Many of them had embedded CP. /g/ made a thread and shared some scripts you could use to scan your old images to see which ones contained embedded files. The results were pretty crazy.
Pedos are fucking clever. They realized that people repost funny images, so they put CP in funny images.
Not on 4chan, but it's happened.
So I wonder why they're doing this to begin with? What's the allure of it? They gotta know nothing will last forever. Eventually all their work and their hard planning. Won't mean anything in a thousand years or so?
So why bother making everyone's lives into shit, in the here and now? Can't we just strive to improve everyone's lives? These are our brothers and sisters, who they want to chain and shackle them. Have they asked themselves is this really worth it? I mean we're heading towards a Totalitarianism right? Is that they're end game?
Please. NSA can go suck a fat one, but I'll take even Huffpo over Russian propaganda.
>So why bother making everyone's lives into shit, in the here and now? Can't we just strive to improve everyone's lives? These are our brothers and sisters, who they want to chain and shackle them. Have they asked themselves is this really worth it? I mean we're heading towards a Totalitarianism right? Is that they're end game?
Let me tell you about the Jews
>using cp as a reason to arrest you, when in fact they are arresting you for political dissent.
Say you are an anarchist or truther. Now they can use cp as an excuse to arrest you when in fact they are after your politically incorrect views.
But I didn't do anything besides view. That's just a topic of semantics. I didn't save it on my computer. It isn't my fault the system of viewing can only work, because it temporarily downloads thumbnails. I didn't want to save it just take a quick glance.
Yes, but to this degree? How can they consider themselves God's chosen give the amount of cruelty they commit? Are they just not demons in disguise parading around claiming it's God's will?
Nope just that this goes above and beyond. This is dangerous even to themselves. They're playing with fire and a lot of it. Shit, are they gonna be the reason humanity callously dies out?
What if they're just another group being played puppet to? I wonder if they've ever even considered that.
I'm about to sleep and can't cite but you have google. People from the Oath Keepers(trying to make sure the military/police stay loyal to the people rather than the rulers) have had to deal with multiple attempts by other people to stick CP on their computer.
There are cases where arresting someone or murdering them makes their case stronger - CP lets them kill reputations, which is why it gets embedded in a lot of seemingly mundane files.
Or maybe everyone is going insane, especially after this overload of information in recent years. We are the only generation to have been brought up with all of this crazy new technology. It could explain a lot of things.
Also, are you familiar with the "mouse universe" project?
Basically, we have all of our problems solved. There are no predators, and even poor people can get food most of the time. We have become the biggest problem to ourselves.
Too much success and easy life is actually a bad thing.
>CP lets them kill reputations, which is why it gets embedded in a lot of seemingly mundane files.
But if they overuse this tactic it becomes transparent and obvious that the government is doing it. Shit might come to a point where everyone has had CP on their computer. Then, we're all like well that doesn't do anything now does it?
The mainstream body of "regular" jews is separate and distinct from the main conspiracy. You can find documents from WW2 where officials spoke about how they wanted more of their fellow jews to die so even more would be scared enough to run to the holy land.
That's why they mix it up with racism and terrorism.
They need to invent new ways to defame people, but they have a few already.
They only do it for high profile people, but it could eventually trickle down to less important people once they get more options.
>But if they overuse this tactic it becomes transparent and obvious that the government is doing it.
Hasn't happened yet, hell people even fall for the ole' "Muh Assange raped women in a country where they have extradition treaties with the US".
Oh I understand, we have no more predators. So our nature in turn created predators of our own to fill in the gap. Huh, I wonder if we can get pass this all then? It all has to do with human maturity. Would it hurt if we left? Like a huge group of people got together formed a colony ship to escape the bullshit?
Would they allow us to leave while they play abusive stepfather to the rest of humanity?
>mfw the goyim truly are cattle
I wonder if the Jews are recruiting converts, it's really too easy to fuck with retards. I bet I could even out-Jew a few of them.
>So where are those idiots who said "the NSA isn't interested in you" now? It's not a far stretch to say anyone who comes on /pol/ is considered an extremist by the NSA.
It's not a far stretch it's a complete bullshit.
If i support Obama and the NSA how can I be an extremist?
Why do you think it's illegal for anyone but NASA to send rockets into space? Because our benevolent leaders are worried about a few dead astronauts?
They have no intention of allowing us to leave
They don't care if you suck their cock, they still don't like you. Even 4chan is a red flag. 4chan is a threat to them because people plant seeds here. Ideas can be dangerous, even if there's no direct action related to 4chan. Just letting people know that not everything they're told elsewhere is true means you're not a good goyim.
No you can't. You can't do shit. All you can do is to either bend the knee and accept your fate, or roll over and die.
I don't even dare to travel to US because of NSA and because of the shit I've looked up or seen in the internet. But on the on hand, I think finding the weirdest porn on the planet and finally archiving the mental state where literally nothing can surprise you or shock in the internet might have been worth it.
But, what about SpaceX or other private corporations that have sent stuff into space? Are they limited by strict guidelines and codes? Funny, when you think about that they think they can set ground rules for space of all places. Sounds fucking asinine, but maybe that's the truth of it all just a giant cosmic joke.
I wanted to believe better in my brothers. Yet they disappoint me so. All that wasted potential, we could have been a beacon of strength a testament to out will. But I never give up, ever, ever. If there's a death I won't accept it, and afterlife I won't go to it.
Intill I make my dreams come true and help better humanity. Hope is only ever truly lost is when you stop believing in it. No matter how bad it gets trek on my friends and continue forever onwards.
Nonsense. I'm defending the government and also trying to persuade people to abandon their dangerous delusions regarding conspiracy theories and racism.
How is this "sucking a cock"? If anything this can be a form of patriotic duty.
If you really believe that your government is conspiring against you then you need therapy.
It's probably a delayed honeypot, which is more effective. They'll operate normally and then do no arrests at all. Why would they do that? Because then they have blackmail on you. They hope that one day you become an important person in society, and then they can force you to do their bidding.
>it's too late, they know everything you have ever said on the internet
I've never said anything bad about the government or NSA. I always praised Obama for his glorious achievements and unbreakable resolve in fight against terrorism, both domestically and on foreign soil. Just to be clear - I do not expect any reward for that (even though a job offer from NSA would have been of course a greatest honor and privilege a man could hope for).
But why would they punish me if i'm supporting them, like every normal citizen should?
But it is not illegal to visit silk road. It is only illegal to buy and more importantly sell drugs on it. I've been on the site once or twice, and I doubt they level any charges or allegations against me for just visiting the site.
>'friends' who will laugh at you while you're tripping
Acid trips are only as bad as you make them.
My experience with acid has been that bad trips are bad because I think negative thoughts, and good trips are good because I think good thoughts.
How is Obama a tyrant? Are you people mad?
Do you even know what real tyranny is?
You are constantly insulting the President on this forum, posting racial slurs. This alone constitutes multiple charges of anti-government propaganda, hate crime, aiding the terrorists.
If Obama is a tyrant why aren't you already in jail? No, the government is extremely forgiving and caring, not tyrannical. You are like children to them (and many of you ARE still children), stupid, rebellious edgy teens, who defy the will of their parents. And the parents (government) only wishes the best for you, but you're too narrow-minded to realize that.
Oh your precious phone calls and e-mails are being recorded. You're like teens caught during watching porn by parents
Innocent people don't fear the scrutiny from the government and the law enforcement.
The government institutions are here to help you, to protect your safety.
see how well that's worked out for the tea party
since 1979 when political "donations" were opened to corps, the US federal government ceased to represent the interests of the people. ever since the legislation that has passed has been according to donor interests, not public, not electorate
No I think he is being serious. I think there are genuinely people who are ignorant of how badly the government screws over them. Even some 4chan users think everything is going perfectly fine, and that the government is OH MAI GAWD so just.
And during Obama administration many states actually legalized marijuana. And the President promised to revise the policies of "war on drugs", by decreasing penalties, releasing people from prisons and so on.
See how "tyrannical" he is?
If it's still illegal in your state blame it on your Conservative representative. Oh, i forgot you probably voted for him, because drugs are "degeneracy", and only black people are selling them.
>how badly the government screws over them
How's that? Show me how government is screwing over ordinary citizens? By providing security and essential public services?
You are so fucking retarded, they wont use any of your material if you stay in your basement, but as soon as you have influence they are going to use it against you.
There is a fine line between security and totalitarism. Would you be fine if the government installed cameras in every room in your house? Genuine question.