Carefully read this, and tell me if it's wrong, or right.
I noticed many people on 4chan like to pass bullshit opinions with well-written sentences so it does seem smart.
I just feel like this is a wall of bullshit. Tell me what you think, /pol/.
Can't help you OP.
I ain't a bitch and I don't know what the fuck they like.
Some of seem to like to fuck anything.
Most of them over a certain age that went to college or at least were a little bit experimental seem to be cool with fucking anything at all, regardless or gender or species.
Women are in fact attracted to status. Your image sort of implies they're almost exclusively attracted to status however, this is a bit of an exaggeration but it is still true.
That's what I've observed anyway.
It's partially true.
The bullshit is in claiming it's universal, and in claiming it's the only thing women look at.
Most women like rich, high status men.
Most women also like tall guys with chiseled faces and rock hard abs.
Beware of anyone peddling absolutes.
It's an exaggeration to say looks don't matter at all, but yes, women are attracted to status of the man, not the man himself. It's how evolution works: the females select those males that are the best adapted to thrive in the current environment, no matter what the environment is or how exactly those males manage to succeed. A male well-adapted to live in the current environment is a male who prospers, and consequently will have higher social status among his peers, as other males see his success and also try the tactic that apparently works well. It's completely normal, humans aren't the only species where female attraction works like that.
It's certainly true for some women. In certain subcultures they are literally all like that and I can see where a guy would come to the conclusion that all (or most) women are like that and that he's really had an epiphany.
But different women are after different things. Some women really are after looks and don't care about anything else what-so-ever. They will date an abusive garbage collector with no friends if he looks hot enough. Other women really are after "true love". They don't care about looks or money as much as they care about having things in common. Single moms tend to look for a guy that's mentally and financially stable even if he's not that high up on the charts.
Don't rely on generalizations to explain what motivates 3.5 billion people.
At the fundamental level this is in all likelihood true, but people often forget that men are in a lot of ways similar to women in these aspects except for them it is the physical look that matters instead of status.
Please, all our personalities and conscious thoughts, all our opinions on anything are just the surface crap. Our instincts, our biological needs go far deeper than that and override it. Just like even the most staunch vegan will eat meat and love it when he's hungry, then make a thousand excuses to justify it afterwards.
Men are attracted to health, as discerned by looks. Intelligence, social status or personality of the wife don't matter unless she's batshit crazy and triggers self-preservation routine, most of which is learned behavior like avoiding feminists. Women are attracted to social status and success. Looks don't matter unless he is severely unhealthy and thus incapable of fathering strong, successful children. Anything about "love" and such is just fancy bullshit, rationalizations spoken after the fact. This is pure biology, differences in individual personalities are too minor to have an effect. So yes, you can and should generalize this, it's knowledge of human biology.
It's not totally BS but there is way more to "attraction" in both directions than is given off here.
Quite frankly I feel 4chan is full of sociopaths who can't understand positive emotion.
It's a subjective view of one, likely bitter, man. Don't carry this burden through life like women are just some disgusting scum you're forced to coexist with. Not ALL women are the goddamn devil. Shit like this just adds baggage. If you meet a girl and she's a dumb materialistic whore, move on, but don't let it hold you down. You're starting to sound like a bunch of little bitches. Women wouldn't walk on you if you don't let them, or if they do move on.
Status and wealth certainly improve a mans attraction to women. A very shaky test, but there was a video where someone went around with pictures of men of all attractions and asked women to score them. After that, they revealed their job and annual salary. Guys scoring 6 or so shot up a point or two after they found out he was a software engineer making 50K a year.
But it is evolution and biology. Men look for the younger, more shapely women as they are usually better at childbirth and thus better for securing a mans genetic future. Whereas women need the good looking man who is experienced and talented to ensure her survival and treatment, securing her genetic future.
Don't get me wrong. I actively practice doublethink on a daily basis.
I both believe these things are true and don't at the same time. Can you understand that?
It's totally right. I've been called a naive virgin so many times for thinking women are actual human beings capable of though and empathy, anything that breaks the abuse seems fine.
>But it is evolution and biology
This. I don't see why people should be upset about things that make perfect sense when looked at from a biological/evolutionary stand point. Men and Women developed the way they have for a reason, there's no sense getting angry or trying to deny it. Use the knowledge you have to play the game more effectively.
Beta bucks, alpha fucks.
Stop putting women on a pedestal. They have their equality now, let them enjoy working as long as we do, paying taxes, lowering themselves for validation. They have been getting progressively unhappier for decades now. Keep calm and GYOW. Fuck 'em and chuck 'em if you want or just leave them be.
Why would the women settle for you then? Isn't it their biological imperative to always look for men with better game. You're a part of the bell curve, there will be people better than you.
Is it then acceptable for women to trade your ass to a guy with better abs and more confidence?
Actually, no. I made the point of evolution and nature to explain their behaviour.
What the leaders of the first civilizations and even tribes discovered is that if the lower tier males have access to females and to raise their own children (at least they thought they were in a lot of cases back then I'd bet), then society would be better off. Men would have purpose and incentive. A happy worker is a good worker. Men are quickly losing that chance at family and so will resign themselves to lonely lives. It is bad for both men and women if hypergamy is in effect.
I'm pretty sure that's from the Book of Pook.
I think that it's true.
Outliers and exceptions to the rule will always exist. By actively seeking the behavior you approve of, and perpetuating it through procreation, you promote these traits and behaviors to continue to propagate. If a large majority of Men only except a certain level of behavior from Women... Women will eventually adapt. Unfortunately, a Woman's unique position in the reproductive sense puts her at an advantage to manipulate Male behavior. That doesn't mean that there isn't a balance, it just means that Men need to play to their strengths...
After certain revelations about the nature of the female mine, I personally have never had an issue keeping a woman interested. From my experience, it's about dominance, both mentally and physically (sex not violence). Mentally you have to take charge and impose your will, while considering her wants/needs in a fair way (that's what's worked for me). Physically... You need to fuck them. Not only that, you need to cum inside them, no condom. I know you'll call me crazy and stupid for that... But my theory is, the hormone exchange that happens during semen injection (both ways) aids in the pair bonding process... Anyway, I've done it both ways, and chicks I bust in... I almost don't even have to try with them, as long as I keep injecting them (at least once a week or they start getting cranky - in my experience).
But that's part of the evolutionary process too mate. Why do you think there are so many "beta" men around these days? Because it was actually being selected FOR rather than against. This is why people say men of the past were more "Manly". What they really mean is they were less domesticated. We see this breaking down, and we see the negative consequences. I agree that the natural inclination of women toward hypergamy is negative, which is why I said this: >>31982363
It's sort of true. What it describes is totally accurate. That is absolutely how women think. But it's wrong when it says that this isn't attraction - it is. It isn't attraction how we understand it, that is, defined by looks, but it is attraction nonetheless.
This one's p gud too
Oops... Duplicate here:
I can answer this.
I work in IT. Home base is an office area with cubicles in the middle and offices lining the walls. There is a single woman working there. Just one. Everyone is afraid to deal with her because she's moody. She can be the sweetest most caring person... But if things go even slightly against the way she thinks they should, she is horrible to deal with. I've literally heard her crying on at least one occasion.
EVERY GUY IN THE OFFICE IS A BRO. We laugh. We throw shit over our cube walls at each other. We go to each other for help. Even the guys I don't talk to a lot are cool to interact with when we do. There's only like one or two guys I don't particularly care for, and it's only because they're awkward. They're still great to work with.
I know it's anecdotal. But there you have it. Coming from a guy who is practically working in a female free environment - I'm going to have to say it would probably be a lot cooler.
Women are looking for a good father for their children, they care about:
1) anything that will most likely give them children capable of surviving, e.g. good health/looks, high intelligence, attractiveness in the father
2) the capability to raise children, which costs a lot of ressources: income, wealth, high social status, good social skills (which includes humour and a character that does not like getting stepped on), some character traits like liking children and not running away after having those children
3) the ability and willingness to protect her and her children at his own expense if necessary: the ability to fight/ to make her feel secure, some aggression, self-sacrifice (women and children first)
Some mix of those three categories is what women find attractive.
Closest thing I've had was all-boys highschool. We had a lot of fags and a fair amount of fights, but there was way less drama compared to normal schools and all girls-schools. Or at least I think so.
IMHO everyone was bro-tier, though we tended to pick on the retarded.
As a girl, I can kinda confirm this. Alot of women are materialistic, but not all. I personally don't care about a man's appearance or wealth, but I do care about his personality to an almost superficial extent. Of course women want a dominant, non-violent man because it feeds into the 'bad boy' trope we love so much. We want a man who dominates over everyone else either socially or physically, but he has to be sweet an cuddly with us because it makes us feel special.
Also, women are almost always competing with each other so we all want a boyfriend who's better looking, wealthier, or more romantic than our friend's.
>I personally don't care about a man's appearance or wealth, but I do care about his personality to an almost superficial extent.
>I personally don't care about a man's appearance
Bull to the shit.
>if you weren't good at sports you were worthless and endlessly bullied.
In my experience, if you didn't act like a whiny faggot people tend to leave you be.
Maybe I was just lucky. Where are you from?
>I do care about his personality to an almost superficial extent
That's like... The opposite of superficial...
And I'm going to have to agree with >>31984846
on this one... Appearance and Wealth are something you factor into your choice at some point. Appearance is usually first and foremost, and you probably do it subconsciously anyway. Wealth is considered some time into the courtship process, and all PEOPLE will consider this at some point, men included.
Okay, I'll rephrase. I don't care what a man looks like UNLESS he is a fat neck-beard loner or a scrawny little shit who never bathes. If you don't take care of your appearance, why would anybody want to date you? Would you date a tumblr-whale who never made an effort?
>I don't care how a man looks, but I care about how a man looks.
Can you go just a tiny little bit further and say that you do care about how a man looks?
Why is it so goddamn important to you to try to act and say otherwise? Embrace the reality, you will be happier doing so.
>implying anyone exists that's exactly like me
>implying I'm not a unique snowflake
>It's really hard to see bullying if you're not the one getting hit at.
I've been bullied quite a few times in primary school so I know what it looks like.
It stopped in high school though. Embarassed myself onstage due to stage fright in HS(had hundreds of people laughing at my face), but the teasing stopped after a week or two. Resented them for it back then, but in retrospect I was treated very kindly. I did not get pestered for it. Yeah, I liked high school more.
Also my HS was a Catholic school.
So if there were two men you liked with identical personalities, incomes, history etc, but one could be a model if he wanted and the other was average, you'd toss a coin? Or are looks actually important?
>girl are just like that windows movie maker effect you used to see in shitty runescape pking videos where it changes the colour of the image/video throughout the whole colour spectrum, except those colours are just different emotions
Funniest metaphor I've read all year.
>all these songs inspired by love were nothing but delusional wishful thinking according to all these bitter INTJ forever aloners
Yeah, sure, the majority of women are whorish cuntbags, but so are most men.
It beats me how you people aren't crippled by depression if you really think ALL women are as shallow as you are portraying them to be.
I seriously hope you guys are just convincing yourselves all women aren't worth your time because you're afraid someone is going to break your heart or something.
Call it bullshit all you want, but I'd choose the average guy over the model because of my own insecurities. I'm only average looking myself, so why should I expect a man who's so much better looking than me to stay wit me?
Exactly. Men like to complain about women only caring about appearance, but all I've ever seen on here is men calling women whales and jew-nose and whatever other insult they can think of.
There's a book some guy wrote called "Key Logger: A Forbidden Glimpse into the True Nature of Women" By Nicholas Jack
I haven't read it yet, but I'm interested.
>I'm only average looking myself, so why should I expect a man who's so much better looking than me to stay wit me?
I'll tell you now (assuming you're legit) is that men often have pretty different tastes in women. It's entirely possible that the hot guy thinks you look like a goddess, even if you don't fit what would usually be considered a standard of beauty. If you're not universally hideous, there'll be one guy out there who thinks like that, I can almost guarantee it.
>afraid someone is going to break your heart or something
I think it's more a sense of duty and purpose that holds a lot of Men back. In that, to make a mistake, and choose a female to mother their children, who will ultimately betray the sacred responsibility of properly raising them, is too heavy a burden to bare, when all around them they see Women unfit to do just that.
I think he follows 9 relationships actually. And yeah you're right, it's anecdotal. But that doesn't make it less interesting. And there is some validity to anecdotes, they should just be taken with a grain of salt.
People like to complain I guess. Same reason feminists see men with all this privilege that men don't see. I somehow doubt it's because people can't see privilege that positively affects them too, which is a pretty weak argument. People just like to think their life is harder than it is, means they can usually blame others instead of themselves.
>Tldr: All women share a hivemind
Evo psych major here... Sorry about my majror but women have an automatic in-group preference. This is fact and not up for discussion. Women are alive today becauseof this.
Literally the only thing that disrupts it is if the other woman is a threat to children, then they will attack the threatening female in the same manner which they side with women arguing against a man - meaning rapidly and without thinking.
>will attack the threatening female in the same manner which they side with women arguing against a man - meaning rapidly and without thinking.
>rapidly and without thinking.
toopkek. that is gold.
If you're looking to attract women, DO NOT be that faggot who think's he's hot shit by trying to be funny all the time and flirting and never shutting his mouth.
Here's what you do. Don't try and act like some 60's bad ass swooning women with drinks and gifts, it doesn't work. Talk to her like you would a guy or any other, treat her as an equal and let her know that she's just another person to you. Never view her as an object of sex. Your lack of apparent interest but friendship with a woman will confuse the fuck out of her and you will stand out in the sense that you're different because you are supposedly not after her pussy (but you really are).
Without sounding fedora, you'll appear mysterious, different and dare I say - more alpha. If you want to take this one step further, act casual with the girl you like and in front of her, flirt with another girl. This will fuck her off internally and she will -most of the time- try to get with YOU.
This isn't PUA shite, it;s shit I learned myself when I decided to venture to bars and pubs for the first time as a beta to challenge myself.
I notice my own privilege, because I'm intellectually honest with myself. Most people lie to themselves. All those feminists have their own privilege, and they refuse to acknowledge it too.
The only privilege I can truly validate, is "good-looking" privilege. Good looking people simply have an easier time in life. Both Men and Women. Take it from a good looking guy, I get treated differently. I mostly see it when interacting with Women... Before I understood that I was attractive, I would never dream of getting away with the way I act these days...
>you people aren't crippled by depression
who says we aren't
>women aren't worth your time because you're afraid someone is going to break your heart or something.
yes we are afraid
Because people don't know how to be present anymore. I'm not saying you should impregnate a random slut, I'm saying you shouldn't let fear be your main focus.
If you meet a cute girl and you really like her, you should be able to fall in love with her without having to fear the possible consequences. You know what happens when a tightrope walker thinks about the consequences? He falls.
Depends on where they are at in their cycle really.
Women choose different types of men also based on what they want. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V7TcSr9GiM
They really do go for the "chads" to get fucked by and the more softer "nice guys" when they want a relationship.
>fall in love with her without having to fear the possible consequences
good luck paying alimony for the rest of your life. Also, you just threw best years of your life to the trash
should have finished my sentence i guess
...based on what they want at the time, then i clarify by saying "They really do go for the "chads" to get fucked by and the more softer "nice guys" when they want a relationship."
also, you know what i meant. you just show what a dishonest little shit you are by pretending not to
Dude, I'm pretty good looking myself but my spaghetti holds me back.
I see girls staring at me and I know they want me too. Even girls with Bf's, I catch them eyeing me out.
Shit thing is, if people get wind of my spaghettiness, they become less inclined to be around me although some girls have found the timidness cute. Still sucks though.
But as for 'Good looking Privilege' stop washing and looking after yourself. Don't brush your teeth or cut your hair and see if you're still privileged then - fucking balls, dude. You're good looking because you look after yourself. Almost anyone can look decent if they put the effort to not look fugly in. You don't get up in the morning with rainbows shooting from your arse and smelling minty fresh.
>Almost anyone can look decent if they put the effort to not look fugly in
PUA faggots are the most annoying cunts in the entire world. Kill yourself.
Women are extremely attracted to physical aspects. It's a fucking lie that they aren't and you're an idiot for buying into it.
Watch this series. It demonstrates pretty fucking well.
Well, I'm also a White Male. So I guess it would be hard for me to separate those privileges. In my opinion though, that sort of privilege is circumstantial... Whereas attractiveness privilege is universal.
If I go apply at an all black establishment, I don't really think my Whiteness would play to my favor. Whiteness is a privilege in America because America is still majority White. A lot of times when they complain about White-Privilege, they're really complaining about majority privilege.
I'm not on about PUA's.
What I'm saying is, you don't just get up in the morning and instantly look great. It takes looking after yourself. if a fat guy loses the weight, puts on some muscles and loses his band hair cut and glasses, he'll look much better, no?
But we have risk-free alternative to the dating and sex since the dawn of the internet. Why give a shit about something potentially dangerous when you have a lot safer alternative, even if it's not the real thing? Physical and emotional safety is more important to me than what my friends think of me because I am a kissless virgin in my twenties. Also, I am 4/10 at my best, so why even try?
He'll look better. But not neccesarily attractive.
A lot of people are ugly. Most people are average. A few are fucking gorgeous.
An ugly motherfucker is an ugly motherfucker and no amount of just being himself or lifting will fix that. And no I'm not projecting either. I consider myself average like most people.
>Before I understood that I was attractive, I would never dream of getting away with the way I act these days.
I'm pretty sure it has more to do with the fact that you realized it and it changed your personality into a more confident one. Maybe you're not actually as good looking as you think you are, but you're still attractive because you now act like a handsome and desirable man.
I agree. But humans are hardwired to notice patterns. If 9 out of 10 Women you meet are terrible people, it starts to get to you, you know?
I'm not a misogynist by any means, I LOVE Women. But I'm realistic enough to realize that, at least in my neck of the woods, modern westernized Women are a huge risk.
You know what happens to a pedestrian who doesn't look both ways before he crosses the street? He get's hit.
Marriage was originally a downpayment on a piece of ass, a direct debit plan to continually tap that.
These days it's like being charged for in game purchases you fucking know you didn't make, even after you've cancelled the subscription that fucker still charges you.
Monkeys demonstrate the concept in it's simplest terms, the males gather food to pay the female who then turns a trick.
It applies to us, just because money has not changed hands doesn't mean it's not prostitution.
>you're still attractive because you now act like a handsome and desirable man.
NO NO NO
confidence makes you more attractive than you were previously, unless you're TOO confident of course but lets not get into that.
A fatass fedora wearing neckbeard in a trenchcoat and a brony bracelet will not suddenly become attractive because he is confident.
looking better =/= being attractive
if ron jeremy lost weight, hed look better. but hed still look like ron jeremy.
You got it wrong mate. He's not talking about PUA. He's talking about making yourself more attractive. Seriously. Hit the Gym consistently for 6 months. Eat right consistently for 6 months. See what happens.
Confidence enhances my overall package, sure.
But seriously, even before then girls were all about me. I just didn't realize it because I was young and I didn't know any better.
I figured it out pretty quick though... I remember when it hit me... like the moment I realized I was an attractive dude...
>Be an edgy loner
>Science camp bus ride
>Decide to sit in back of bus, cuz edgy loner
>All of a sudden, every single girl on the bus is sitting around me talking to me
>They are LITTERALLY telling me about dreams they've had where I was in them
>Some of them I don't even know
>Look up at the front of the bus
>All the other guys sitting together looking back at me with sad looking faces
That was the moment.
How exactly do you define a physically attractive man? Limit your explanation specifically to facial features, eyes, hair etc. because those are the only things you're actually born with, while a good body is something almost everybody can reasonably acquire to some extent.
In my humble opinion. Marriage is a ceremony for people, and the purpose is to merge families together. The only true marriage in the eyes of God, is having children together. You can't divorce blood. You can run from it sure... But it will always be a part of you.
I get depressed sometimes. I spill spaghetti sometimes. There's more to having a girlfriend and having sex than just being a pretty face (at least as a Man). Even when I'm being a loser... I get looks. Check out all the mirrin threads on /fit/ - they're awesome motivation. But half the guys in those threads are tfwnogf virgins. It's not that they don't have potential, they're lacking the other essential element you pointed out earlier: Confidence.
I would say that it is about as accurate as, "Men are all after one thing."
There is a good chunk of the female population that this applies to, and that chunk seems to be growing more and more every year.
That being said, not all women are like this
>A fatass fedora wearing neckbeard in a trenchcoat and a brony bracelet will not suddenly become attractive because he is confident.
The thing is: fatass fedora wearing neckbeards in trenchcoats are fatass fedora wearing neckbeards in trenchcoats because they're insecure.
They wear fedoras either because they're either trying to fit in with the hipster crowd or trying to imitate noir detectives. They wear trenchcoats because because they think what badasses do and surely if they wear one they'll eventually be badass right? I could go on.
Or you could just Google for all the fucking studies done that show what women like. That's how I define it. By what women overwhelmingly go for in a man.
Here is one article on it and the source it uses is at the bottom, under reference.
There are others and they are not hard to find.
There's also this three video series I linked earlier. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V7TcSr9GiM
>There's more to having a girlfriend and having sex than just being a pretty face (at least as a Man).
You actually believe the lie that women do not care about looks. They do. Very much so. It's a lie that they don't.
You'd be surprised how much body fat % affects the way the face looks.
Generally speaking though, facial symmetry is important for attractiveness. I honestly believe there are TONS of hot people out there, just buried under fat. The other thing to consider is that the guidelines for handsome men are much looser than for beautiful women. Getting a ripped body really can make the difference between being a hot dude and being a fat chump.
Women like height, wealth/social power, and muscles.
I don't understand how people are so in denial about this. We've known this since practically the beginning of civilization, and yet people are still fucking asking.
In the same sense, men love big tits and asses on a slimmer waist and wide hips. And a sweet nuturing personality indicating the quality of a good child rearer.
Individuals always have their own personal quircks they like beyond all this, and some people don't even like any of these things (and some people are flat out gay). But generally it's pretty simple.
I don't know what women want but I know what they do not want, responsibility. OP describes the symptoms but this is the reason.
The more social status a man has in excess the less responsibility a woman has to bear in the relationship. Women like to talk about issues without having to form an opinion on them. Hailing your spouses abilities, wealth, cunning and so forth is very easy since it doesn't require opinion and still gets admiration.
Women benefit from the fact that they're able to take credit for the man's achievements and make his success her own without having any responsibility in it.
If you give the woman a sense of her having to have some responsibility in a relationship she'll immediately try to manipulate you. All manipulation is geared towards having less responsibility preferably by being the victim. Victims in our society are never responsible, it comes with the term itself.
If you have ever interacted with a woman in a relationship, you might have realized that all fights you have are about her messing up and trying to put all responsibility on you.
This is also the reason why there is this perception of women liking alpha-men/assholes. They are attracted to men who don't consider them responsible entities.
A trenchcoat, like the fedora/trilby, all comes down to atmosphere. You look like a dumbass wearing a trenchcoat on a Florida beach on a sunny 120 degree day.
But it fits right in when you are in Chicago on a cloudy, misty day.
>have a good job
>Lift heavy weights
>Make good money
I should just blow my brains out now.
Women don't care about any of those things I've learned, my own car, my own place, a career, a good body.
BOYS IN MIDDLESCHOOL TOWER ME IN TERMS OF HEIGHT.
I AM NOW A USELESS FUCK.
That study actually proves my point. It talks about how women prefer who look healthy and masculine, but doesn't actually describe the facial features that most would consider "handsome" (doesn't denounce them either, it just doesn't go there).
I'm not saying women don't care about looks, but I'm saying that what men consider good looks when judging other men are the arbitrary things you're born with and cannot change while the other component of appearance (looking healthy and masculine) is the one women care about and also the part that you can actually change.
Have you tried dating little Mexican women?
Don't work I'm afraid. I've had 2 women (one 4'11 and 5'2) walk on me during dates due to being 5'5 (they thought I was 5'8)
Now, I've had luck sexually, and a few sexual partners.
But jesus christ, it hasn't been the least bit easy, aside from ya'know initiating sex itself, that's easy as shit.
I'm at a loss, I've been cheated on, and pretty much set aside in some situations and given the "Small man syndrome" speech, for being confident in certain situations.
I'm holding onto hope and working as hard as I ever have been, but it's starting to grind on me.
You're just wrong.
Look at the video series
the very first thing is another study showing what kinds of faces women like
but you wont because itll probably make you want to kill yourself
looks are everything
a good looking guy is good looking no matter what. whether hes an autist, happy, sad, spaghetti everywhere etc
an ugly mofo is ugly no matter what. all thats different is peoples reactions to him based on his appearance.
look at that fucking shit with jeremy meeks recently. all based on his face. why? masculine facial features.
>Good looking guy is shy
>Girls: wow so mysterious
>Ugly guy is shy
>Girls: lol what a loser
>Good looking guy is confident
>Girls: wow hes so confident i love it
>Ugly guy is confident
>Girls: lol what a loser
Too short? Weak jawline? Too bad. You're fucked.
Sorry some chick broke your heart OP. No need to go Supreme Gentleman over it.
I don't even know anymore.
I come to /pol/ for laughs and share feels whenever I can. Threads like this allow me to share anecdotes whenever I can.
I still blame the jews for my own misfortunes though, so It's okay.
I'm 5'8 and have been treated the same. Although, I've never gotten the "small man speech", I remain uncompromising. I have been called crazy many, many times. I don't get belittled upfront because people feel stupid around me (not my fault, high IQ eccentric)...
I am also lucky to have an 8 inch cock.
You gotta find a high-born Mexican or chick from South America. They are super great. Just ignore the Western world, it's a female's game, and they hate everyone except super alpha's and trendfags.
Reads like the "Sociopath's Guide to Love".
You are trying to rationalize the concept of love.
Go think about that REAL HARD for a while and then come back.
The best you can do is note general trends. There are trends but there are no rules. They differ greatly from culture to culture and person to person.
>You actually believe the lie that women do not care about looks. They do. Very much so. It's a lie that they don't.
You're a fool. I AM a good looking guy, but even I don't get laid if I never make an effort. Yes they care about looks. But you ALSO have to put yourself on the market, which requires confidence. Dumb shit.
Sorry for sounding like a broken record friend, it's been a rough week.
One of those
>Browse /pol/ all weekend
kind of weeks.
I did manage to get drunk last night with some co-workers though, which took the edge off.
it was all well and good until OP went full beta, started making judgment calls, and called all women prostitutes
yes women are attracted to wealth and status, this is true, we don't need to make moral judgments about it. Just like men are attracted to tits and ass, and that doesn't make us perverts or slaves to animal instincts. It's just the way attraction is wired
It also comes down to accessioning. People who wear trench coats traditionally wore them to keep their business suits from being ruined. They also wore fedoras and trilbys because it could sit gently on their head (not messing up their hair) while protecting their hair from the elements. You will notice that in shows like Mad Men, professionals only put their coats on when they were leaving, and only wore their fedoras when they were outside.
You wearing black shorts and a death metal t shirt with a fedora and a trenchcoat looks fucking stupid (especially when worn indoors).
If you are dressed nicely, both will fit in well, and nobody will give you shit about it, whether you are fat or slim.
I work in such a dreamland. I'm an electrician and an operator at a power plant. All-male.
Guys get to be guys. They watch Fox News and comment on how Jenna Lee looks good, but would look better naked. Gay jokes everywhere. Then, once we go to work and leave the break room, we are down to business.
We might still converse if we are working on a project as a team, but that's only if talking doesn't slow us down any. That way, we can finish our work, break out cigarettes/e cigs, and bullshit again.
People also buy everyone lunch all the time. Monday, someone will just show up with 15 burgers for 10 people. Another day, someone else brings in Taco Bell for everyone. Another day, the boss will order 3 pizzas.
It's fucking great.
I am very confident, just got out of a serious LTR and haven't been approaching anyone. I have extremely strong body language and verbiage now, but pre-LTR I was walked upon by women. No longer so.
>I noticed many people on 4chan like to pass bullshit opinions with well-written sentences so it does seem smart.
>I just feel like this is a wall of bullshit
Why don't you stop feeling and use your fucking brain then?
>I noticed many people on 4chan like to pass bullshit opinions with well-written sentences so it does seem smart.
That's true. Unless they can point to known science it's just opinion. 'Logic and reasoning' aren't enough anymore unless that logic and reasoning trumps everything else. In this case it doesn't - women are hardwired to find specific aesthetic qualities attractive in a golden ratio, as are men and all humans. This is to create attractive children. It's the age of information, step up.
Sorry, just a guy a know who is basically 5'8, eccentric and pretty much sleeps with all of the qtpie 18 year olds in some /cgl/ group I tried to break into a long long time ago.
Ignore and carry on friend.
From my experience with women, the more attractive they are, the more they're attracted to a man's status and wealth than his appearance and personality. It's kind of like a sliding scale.
If you're a guy with average looks, don't aim for the best-looking chick you can find. Set your sights for someone a bit lower down the ladder. You don't have to go for a landwhale, just look for a girl who lacks self-confidence because she's not the prettiest of the bunch, treat her nice and you'll have a girl who worships the ground you walk on.
Pretty sure men care A LOT more about another man having their woman than a woman cares about another woman having their man.
For example a girl being a virgin is seen as a great plus to guys but a guy not having had sex before is actually a red flag for a lot of girls. Plus almost all poly relationships are a man with lots of wives, since men would get too jealous to share their wife with another dude.
The key is that you think she is below your league. If you treat a 10/10 chick like you're just settling with something good enough and could do better any time, she'll act the same way.
I don't even know what you're trying to say.
When I want women, I go get them, because I'm attractive, that's all I have to do. But the GOING part is still essential to the GETTING part.
I have a ludicrously dominant attitude, and bewilder women with charisma, but I get bored with them, and hate having to dumb myself down with mundane bullshit like pretending I don't have the answers for their musings, or pretending to like awful music, movies or TV shows. I do not tell them what they want to hear, because all I do, and my only impulse, is to be myself.
I act like they bore me when they do and I do not try to hide it. If they cannot keep up with me, I will disengage even when I have them giggly and hanging off me.
One problem is that 5'8 guys will get incredible bile from women they reject. Hateful craziness, rumors, physical attacks, the whole nine. They use a collective view on status to try and retroactively shame you, but their knowledge of giving in to you in the first place infuriates them, and so they go crazy with malice and downright hate.
Sticking up for myself in such situations has gotten me labelled as crazy by whiteknights as well. This one bitch started biting my arm like an animal at a house party, drawing blood. After about half a minute of trying to reason with her, I had to punch her in the back of the head. I'm then the villain.
Key and a lock, etc. If she is sleeping around you can never be sure if the kid she's pregnant with is yours. If a guy is sleeping around he must be really good, since he managed to attract so many women. Women are like employers, the more job experience you have on your resume, the more they want you. If you have none they won't take you, even if everything is great.
I disagree with this completely. I'm a virgin and I'd rather my boyfriend have had very little sex experience, too.
And your point about women being more tolerant of infidelity is completely wrong. Women literally cut their husband's dicks off for that kind of thing. I made a point earlier about how women are constantly competing with each other where as men generally don't. ALL women I know say infidelity is the last forgivable thing to happen in a relationship besides actual physical abuse.
women who don't conform to their traditional role as caregivers are massive bitches
the only women I've met that I would consider wife material are doctors, nurses, vets and 4-H breeders. 100% serious.
A 10/10 chick will usually know she how good she looks and probably has guys hitting on her a lot. Someone who's not quite so good looking will always have confidence issues about it.
A 10/10 will generally know she can pull another guy as soon as she wants, but a 6/10 or a 7/10 knows men generally aren't going to pass up someone better looking for her, so if you go for her, she'll love you for it.
lol i don't get this thread at all
I've met so many women in college that are the opposite of being materialistic/manipulative and just want somebody to listen to their problems and just be a friend, and i've had many deep conversations with them.
one time on my birthday, i went out with some friends and some girls bought me drinks. they didn't want anything back after that day. eventually, like a year later, we all just started not hanging out with each other because of other responsibilities because life changes. but we still contact each other once in a while.
lol im just a college student- so it can't be about status. i don't flaunt my money, so it can't be about money.
Why is /pol/ so ass backwards to me most of the time?
>just want somebody to listen to their problems and just be a friend, and I've had many deep conversations with them.
That's fucking great. Let me ask you something: What do you find interesting? Perhaps its video games? Maybe its Magic the Gathering or Dungeons and Dragons? Comic Books, by chance? Philosophy? Politics? Philosophy?
Now what do all these women find interesting? Their own drama filled lives? Drinking for the sake of drinking? Talking about other people? Talking about TV shows?
See, my friends are guys, because I can talk to my friends about all the things I'm interested in, and have them give active, interesting responses.
I don't find that with the VAST majority of women. So when I talk to a woman, instead of a man, there is only one real reason for me to do so. I'm not interested in what she watched on TV, or how much her facebook friends comment, or the fact that her ex boyfriend was a dick. The TV is boring, the facebook is immaterial, and her life events are only important to me once SHE is important to me.
If she is not compatible on an intellectual level, then the only level left is physical. Sure, we could be great golf buddies, or we could have fun playing tennis, or she could play violin well enough to harmonize with my piano, and all of those are legitimate ways to form friendships.
Me listening to her talk about herself while she smokes or drinks is not. In those situations, I am desperately searching for one of two things:
1. Something she can present to make her friend material
2. A way to get her to smash her groin against mine.
If I can't fulfill goal #1 by the time I find out goal #2 is impossible, I move on. It isn't my fault that I find her boring. It's her own
I know, right. I can't even remember anyone claiming anything sub 120 as a badge of honor in an internet argument. And this guy not only is proud of some 104, but then goes on and demonstrates it perfectly. "we did stuff, what you *strawman*, hahaha"
There are people on here with 140+ IQs (I'm one of them, and I posted>>31989617)
Funny how he can't wrap his brain around that post, but he can boast about his 104 IQ. He is closer to mentally disabled than he is to me, and he boasts.
I will see women as equals if and only if she can beat God Hand or any video game that requires some actual skill from the player.
I would settle for getting someone who would get the original Drakengard's last ending.
Not a hard game, but it takes a certain level of character to achieve.
Hear my wise words.
A lot of women are fucking whores.
Just like a lot of men are degenerate coke snorting hedonists who get shitfaced at clubs.
But for every 100 women, there's ATLEAST 1 that's considered normal by our standards, like for every 100 hedonist faggots there's 1 /pol/ack.
In other words, try and ignore those loose whores and hunt down that one normal girl and get married.
Absolutely correct. Sexually/aesthetically women are attracted to females. The only group that likes men a la men are homos. This is why matriarchies (and its modern manifestation in feminism) are full of homosexual female behavior - men are fully objectified as economic machines.
Absolutely buttfuck retarded
Women like looks even more than men do as well as the status and money stuff. They just generally have higher standards all round. It's why the top 20% of men get 80% of the women.
>Liking God Hand back when it was released in 2006: Cool Chick
>Liking God Hand in 2013+ after it was praised by Total Hipster: I'm N3rdy Gam3r Gurl :3
exactly. I don't see the problem. What makes us human is our ability to see more than this, should we choose. But to deny its existence outright is to be just as stupid and frivolous.
Keep this in mind if you ever go to a Con/festival/etc: Any behavior you exhibit towards women is excusable i'd you are attractive enough.
Go up to a girl at one of these and strike up a conversation. Don't even be deliberately creepy or anything like that, maybe just pay her a compliment.
If you aren't attractive, she'll probably look like you shoved dog shit in your face, call you a creep, and walk as far as
away as possible while drawing everyone's attention to how creeped out she is.
If you're attractive? Hell, you could just come right up to her, say nothing, and just start smelling her hair and she'd act like that was what she had secretly wanted someone to do all her life.
What's an "acceptable" act when approaching a woman socially is dependent entirely on how attractive she thinks you are.
I work in an all male factory mechanic shop. 99% of the time it's fantastic. 1% of the time the 4 guys who complain make it pretty miserable. Out of a shop of 32, 4 of us have a problem from time to time. Those 4 are openly ridiculed for being "womanlike" and that keeps them in line most of the time, but bitches will be bitches.
The funniest thing is that all 4 of these guys grew up in broken homes. A handful of other guys had parents divorce after they left home, but these 4 had that before reaching adulthood (although one's mother died when he was 12 or 13, the rest were divorce).
I don't know if there's a correlation in the broader world, but there certainly is at my job.
Regardless of that, it's still better 100% of the time than my previous jobs where there were women present, especially when there were multiple women. I like that this job is both physically strenuous and dangerous. It practically guarantees that women won't even consider it.
Yeah man... I'm lucky it's just the one Woman in my environment. Though I do have to deal with a lot of female customers... but it's on a 1 on 1 basis and ends up being pretty cool most of the time. I don't work WITH them. The more women in the environment the worse it gets for guys. Beyond the social disruption they cause, there is also the biological distraction the cause, especially if they are attractive.
Yes. But it's not going to change, because the people with the power (employers, corporations and government at the macro level and alpha males and hot young girls at the micro level) won't allow it to change.
I've been spending a lot of time thinking about what could possibly come post-capitalism, post-feminism, post-liberalism, post-social democracy, post-empire, and I can't think of anything.
This could very well be the end of history.
When your remove looks, status, how much he smiles and laugh, how funny and entertaining he is, salary, et al. there is nothing left.
Would you be able to love a retarded feminist landwhale who can't even keep a job and bitches at you all day?
I didn't think so.
Life is whatever you want it to be. Stop acting like if I don't volunteer to help Malaysians impregnate endangered tigers your not really living life to the fullest. I'm just fine playing drums, going to the gym, and hanging out with my friends. If you REALLY lived in the present you would know how to be satisfied without girls.
I don’t give a fuck who you are or where you live. You can count on me to be there to bring your fucking life to a hellish end. I’ll put you in so much fucking pain that it’ll make Jesus being nailed to a cross in the desert look like a fucking back massage on a tropical island.
I don’t give a fuck how many reps you have or how tough you are IRL, how well you can fight, or how many fucking guns you own to protect yourself. I’ll fucking show up at your house when you aren’t home. I’ll turn all the lights on in your house, leave all the water running, open your fridge door and not close it, and turn your gas stove burners on and let them waste gas. You’re going to start stressing the fuck out, your blood pressure will triple, and you’ll have a fucking heart attack.
You’ll go to the hospital for a heart operation, and the last thing you’ll see when you’re being put under in the operating room is me hovering above you, dressed like a doctor. When you wake up after being operated on, wondering what ticking time bomb is in your chest waiting to go off. You’ll recover fully from your heart surgery. And when you walk out the front door of the hospital to go home I’ll run you over with my fucking car out of no where and kill you.
I just want you to know how easily I could fucking destroy your pathetic excuse of a life, but how I’d rather go to a great fuckng length to make sure your last remaining days are spent in a living, breathing fucking hell. It’s too late to save yourself, but don’t bother committing suicide either… I’ll fucking resuscitate you and kill you again myself you bitch-faced woman hater. Welcome to hell, population: you
It has some merit, but it's not as black and white as that. Also, he goes full retard near the end and seems like the typical /r9k/ inhabitant.
Imo, one of the three major things women are attracted to are confidence, ambition and self sufficiency, usually qualities that rich/high status men have in abundance.
At the other end, approval seeking, insecure and unambitious men repel women like no other. Usually qualities you find in your average basement dweller.
Also, of course looks matter. Only a moron would think a fat, unkempt pig has the same chances with women as a tall handsome stud. A guy i know is blessed with god-tier aesthetics, but at the same time he is a fucking moron. Still, he gets more pussy than most guys, and is never single for too long.
>been the only man at my job for the last 5 years
I honestly don't even remember how it could be.
Holy fuck I hate my life and want to kill myself every day
That's all right, as a fat currently-unemployed male in the mid-30s, I admit that I would no want to date a woman with a greater weight-to-height proportion than myself.
And I do require a potential significant other to shower at least three days per week.
And don't be a fool who thinks throwing more harm into a system will somehow make things better. You're either a teenager or retarded, possibly both.
Yeah let's hurt women for the sake of it, great fucking idea shlomo.
For a bunch of niggers who claim to hate women you fuckers sure do spend a lot of time discussing them don't get me wrong I hate the cunts too but the only time I think about them is if I'm jacking it or fucking them but otherwise what's the point to them or even thinking of them it's not like they're people or they actually matter
The problem is not what women find attractive.
Of course they are going to status,looks,resources,achievements.
The problem comes after you somehow managed to attract someone if you do not have confidence and are not dominating, YOU ARE FUCKED.
If you are a no confidence, submissive shit who can't draw any lines YOU ARE FUCKED.
You can have super pumped up abs or be the sweetest person to her or have money running out of your ass and still be COMPLETELY FUCKED.
Do not believe the bullshit about how she wants to be treated equal and be independent and shit, She will throw you like a rag and jump on the closest nigger cock.
There is a special place in Hell On Earth full of divorce,concentrated hatred,alimony and child support.
So MAN The FUCK UP because if you don't draw any lines YOU ARE FUCKED
This. Fucking threads like this have me questioning life decisions. I've got a very nice girl, traditional and sweet, loves animals, but like 5/10 and 7 years my elder. We dated a long time but i moved a long ways away for work and left her behind. I've got another girl ive dabbled with locally who wants more, but shes a landwhale, but busts her ass at work, intelligent, and great with kids. Would make a great wifey if i went that way.
Who am i dating? The hardcore gamer girl who wont even leave the fucking house and would probably beat my kids/leave them in a hot car while she fucks Ching Thunderchong™ . Pic related, I have shamed my ancestors
We don't HATE women, we just think there batshit and are trying to reconcile this into our views and approaches to the world. In this boards case, how there asinine psychology plays into there effects on society and politics and general. We don't hate them, they just confuse the fuck out of us and we are trying to better understand them for the good of everyone. We figure out what to do/give, they get there arrears in gear, maybe everyone goes home happy. Then again, the defining characteristic of a good compromise is that no one goes home happy, so whatevs.
In my experience, as soon as the girl you're settling for starts to think that, since you obviously found her desirable, she is objectively desirable by men, she'll suddenly become a bitch, cheat on you, and dump your ass.
Thank God I finally found a good one. I went through a looooong phase where I hated women for being shitty, but I eventually found the right one for me and my life has been infinitely improved by her presence.
My wife was a virgin when I married her, and I definitely prefer being her first and only, as opposed to sluts I've banged where they couldn't even remember my name because they'd taken so many dicks.
On the other hand, I kinda wish I was a virgin so she could be my first and only too. It'd make the relationship more... special, sacred, somehow. Instead, I'm always wondering if she thinks I'm comparing her to other chicks I've banged, and while she got to explore the mysteries and find new things on our wedding night, I knew exactly what I was doing. I just have this nagging feeling it would have been better if I'd stayed a virgin.
tl;dr wait for marriage before you get your dick wet.
>I don't want a worthless, unemployed, uneducated wife either, regardless if she's good looking.
I dated a girl and her little sister all through junior high and high school (simultaneously; it was a weird relationship, and the culmination of every juvenile male fantasy ever), got dumped by both as soon as we graduated, dated a bunch of sluts and bitches through college (including one that tried to stab me because she dreamed that I cheated on her), and developed a very poor opinion of women. I was convinced they were all shallow, emotional, irrational, vain, petty, selfish, naive, treacherous, heartless, and all-around evil whores and as soon as they thought they had something better they'd dump you like a bag of shit. I spent several very bitter years without going on a single date, because I was burned out on women and began hating them with a passion. Why waste your energy, devotion, and emotional attachment on a woman who's just going to be a boring, mindless twit whose only value is her vagina and will inevitably rip your heart out, stomp on it, and betray you so they can go fuck some asshole in a wife-beater who smokes meth and obsesses over Jersey Shore?
Then I met and married the perfect woman, who was beautiful, intelligent, snarky, submissive, cheerful, loyal, almost a decade younger than me, genuinely liked all the same stuff I did (rather than 'derp, you like that stuff? I guess I'll pretend to be interested too.'), and was neither shallow nor a slut. The perfect woman, who I intend to spend the rest of my life with.
And you know what?
The overwhelming majority of women are still shallow, boring, petty, vindictive, treacherous sluts whose only value is the hole between their legs. If you couldn't fuck them, you wouldn't have anything to do with them because they're such terrible people.
But, at least there's some out there who are worth waiting for. You just have to keep looking, and not let her go once you've got her.
It's the same deal with you staring at a girl's cleavage.
If they're not interested in you, they get pissed that you're staring at the boobs they have deliberately put on display and yell "MY EYES ARE UP HERE, ASSHOLE!"
If they are interested in you and notice you staring at their tits, it's all "tee hee, what's your name?"
I work in an arts organization. Women are incredibly useful there as they have a lot more indirect agency. We can organize shit and market it and get it off the ground, but our women work like little social bees and make it explode. If we replaced them, we'd probably not be as succesful, in all honesty.
>Never view her as an object of sex
This strategy really only works when you present YOURSELF as a sexual creature.
If you act like a good yet distant friend AND YOU'RE NOT DESIRABLE - that is, you're not hot, you're not rich, you don't have dozens of other women pining for your time - you're basically a fag-hag. The reason objectifying women leads to sex is because IT GETS THEM THINKING ABOUT SEX. In this modern era it is pointless to wait for pussy to 'come around' because even the average girl has dozens of options. Dozens of other sources of sexual stimulation that satisfy her cravings before she can consider her trusted acquaintances.
Y'all dig what I'm getting at?
He's close to correct but there're some nuances between his beliefs and the truth.
Women evaluate men based on their influence over other men. Women rely on social measures (wealth, fame, power) to determine how well a man's capable of empowering and protecting her and her offspring.
Men on the other hand evaluate women individually, without needing outside input, based on how well her genes will bear his line.
You are a lucky man. To find a virgin by choice that you're actually attracted to you is like finding a needle in a fucking haystack as far as I'm concerned.
I almost don't even believe it.