IDF = Baby-killing Pussies
Thread continuing discussion on the events in Gaza
AA - http://www.aa.com.tr/live1/gaza-live.html
OA - http://www.ustream.tv/occupiedair
JEHAD - http://www.ustream.tv/channel/jehadels
ROOSTER - http://www.ustream.tv/channel/forooster-recon-force
TELEGRAPH - http://player.ooyala.com/iframe.html#ec=42Njdmazp8OPIKJRyChESz2RevNqe2aQ&pbid=ZTIxYmJjZDM2NWYzZDViZGRiOWJjYzc5&
DENNY - http://www.ustream.tv/channel/santafeez
BAMBUSER - http://bambuser.com/v/4806040
RT stream for VLC: http://18.104.22.168/hls/enf.m3u8
>STREAMS COMP (reminder, sometimes these go down due to possible JIDf activity, possible chatroom shilling and Jehad shelling too):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF7rBcFolAc [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
Reminder video of JIDF war room:
[YouTube] Israel student union sets up "war room" to sell Gaza massacre on Facebook
I'm going to say this once Ahmeds, this whole aryan board despises your kind thats why you subhuman taqiyya users resort to samefagging your shitty threads. Fuck Ahmeds and fuck jews. We aryans will prevails and start the next true crusades. Just you al taqiyya users watch.
Holy SHIT, looks like the JIDF is loosing the info war badly this time, permanently too. Look at all the shylocks in that stream!!!
Even Jews hate Israel now.
I don't understand why the jidf come here why can't we just watch the happenings in peace
I don't give two fucks about muzzies vs yids I just want to watch and read about what's going on
originally it was a british mandate. which it should have been. europe should have colonized the whole area to bring some civilization. At least the jews can now build something of importance in sand monkeyland.
some kid at the NY protests was stood waving an israel flag infront of thousands of pro-palestine protests, old man blew him the fuck out and then the security came n took him away before he got BTFO
niggers gonna nig
NYC consists of
>russian jews, who as we know are the niggers of the jews
>niggers, pure and simple
>spics, who are already pissed off
Summer is a great time for a little unrest in the city. Ask any cop. They'll fight over anything right now, and as you might remember the niggers were beating up Jews in the street not so long ago.
Thank god WASPS have a place in Connecticut to spend the weekend, away from the fray.
Any new developments in the killing sandniggers front?
ANYONE IN THE UK PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING
STOP THE WAR COALITION MARCH TOMORROW LONDON
>tfw don't have unlimited hard drive and bandwidth to record all the streams and automatically make webms
>This shit is boring, nothings going on
Yep. Nothing to see here except worldwide protests calling for a global change in policy toward an ongoing genocide.
I guess the JIDF gets bored unless a baby gets blown up every few minutes.
What are you talking about? Stop the War handles all these sorts of protests. It's not a CND protest. That's why it's called the Stop the War COALITION.
There you go. You learn something new every day.
The fact that the British tried to colonize the ME is one factor that fucked up the ME big time.
Arabs aren't as docile as your average nig.
If UK and USA didn't coup d'etat the shit outta Iran and if the Entente didn't sabotage the German/Ottoman cooperation in the ME during WW1, the cancer that are the Sunnis would not have destroyed the ME forever.
Arabs are usually very ugly, but I saw a really really hot Palestinian guy/worker at the hospital I currently work in today. (Germany)
He was hairy (chest hair), great beard, cute and sexy face.
>what a goddess
>supports free Gaza
Indeed she is, in more ways than one!
>Arabs are usually very ugly, but I saw a really really hot Palestinian guy/worker at the hospital I currently work in today. (Germany)
Even homosexuals are having a change of heart towards Palestine. I thought their opinion was owned by the JIDF?
Yes, but they build their bases at schools and hospitals. My take on it is that the people who use human shields are cowards, not the IDF who fight back. Isreal tries to have peace and truces but Hamas keeps on breaking them
Fucking hell, this is so cool.
Instead of act like every other person where theyr "group" is attacked and play a victim and blame everybody else. These guys just tell em how it is
>The child sex abuse crisis in ultra-Orthodox Judaism, like that in the Catholic Church, has produced its share of shocking headlines in recent years. In New York, and in the prominent Orthodox communities of Israel and London, allegations of child molestation and rape have been rampant. The alleged abusers are schoolteachers, rabbis, fathers, uncles—figures of male authority. The victims, like those of Catholic priests, are mostly boys. Rabbi Rosenberg believes around half of young males in Brooklyn’s Hasidic community—the largest in the United States and one of the largest in the world—have been victims of sexual assault perpetrated by their elders. Ben Hirsch, director of Survivors for Justice, a Brooklyn organization that advocates for Orthodox sex abuse victims, thinks the real number is higher. “From anecdotal evidence, we’re looking at over 50 percent. It has almost become a rite of passage.”
Implying islam is the religion that promotes child rape.
Jehad "I'm Horny."
Give her one for us BASED JEHAD
>but they build their bases at schools and hospitals
source? how do the IDF know this?
>My take on it is that the people who use human shields are cowards
the IDF use human shields too you know.. so I guess the IDF are cowards
>Isreal tries to have peace and truces but Hamas keeps on breaking them
Israel have broken more ceasefires than hamas, the supposed terrorist group. Who are the real terrorists?
What do you expect.
Get some Al Jazeera going man, their Gaza coverage is kicking ass
Israel has broken peace agreements much more times than palestine has, theres no proof of hamas using people as human shields but the IDF was even denounced by it (they even dared to appeal for their right to use people as human shields).
And the beggining of this particular war was Israel falsely accusing Gaza without any shred of proof of the murder and kidnap of israeli kids.
The idf is not fighting back as much as finding excuses to attack palestine.
But again shills gonna shill.
Just remember though that some Traditional Orthodox Jews support the state of Israel and have parties in the Knesset, etc. Like anything when it comes to religion, you'll get a variety, if not opposite views, on much of it.
But yeah, this particular type gets out often and makes a very big deal about being seen and that's a good thing indeed.
>Jehad confirmed Gazan version of Superman
Man I never believed that JIDF was real and Jews controlled the media but holy fucking shit. Its like no one is talking about Israeli war crimes no where on the internet, even on television everyone is siding with Israel. Israel could literally Use Nuclear weapons and kill 10 million Palestinians and no one would notice. We would probably be very concerned and send them even more money.
I saw this briefly the other day. There was a based as fuck Rabbi though that went full tilt fuck you on their asses, though. Great guy.
You know you can go to North Africa and get fucked/fuck more than you ever have in your life right? It's a big gay sex tourism destination. Not legal, but all sorts of sly permissiveness makes it A-OK, even encouraged.
The more you know.
When yids get BTFO it stands for:
Irritated Diane Feinstein
>WHOMEVER WAS AWAY FROM HIS HOME CANNOT RETURN TO IT DURING IT.
>CANNOT or CAN?
That is Zionspeak for "The second this ceasefire is over, we will blow up a fuckload of innocent civilian homes."
>That is Zionspeak for "The second this ceasefire is over, we will blow up a fuckload of innocent civilian homes."
That is Zionspeak for "The second we think of an excuse for this ceasefire to be over, we will blow up a fuckload of innocent civilian homes."
Watched the first three minutes. Bookmarked, thanks. Keep hearing this guy's name but don't know much about him. But yeah, agree with him totally. You can't keep hiding behind it because you'll just land up excusing and excusing and excusing yourself until you become the same monster.
Not befitting at all and in any way for all those that did go through the holocaust. Based guy. Agree with him totally.
>implying child rape won't cause any stir in islam because it's standard
>mfw pedophile prophet in the first place
get the fuck out dhimmi
i think i saw some medics putting humans remains in the ambulance...
Yeah. Gaza only. For them to get in medical supplies, etc. I think.
This is basically like one of those medieval sieges I guess. Right down to lobbing shit over the walls that don't really do much while you're basically thermoblasted by fucking aliens or something. So, I mean, slightly medieval but also not really. Unless there's something we don't know about the past, which is also highly likely given that no one knows who or what the fuck is running anything even now.
Probably because they don't want people to gather up and disperse at homes again only to be bombed and killed later. They didn't really say why.
They evacuated before the ceasefire taking place tomorrow. The ones who take shelter outside their homes right now.
Thanks. Check out the L-RAD crowd control weapon on the back of this police truck!!!
Yes that seems like a serious possibility. Surely wouldn't be very difficult. If people were to evacuate during a ceasefire, they wouldn't necessarily go back IN to the conflict area once the ceasefire is lifted.
>They evacuated before the ceasefire taking place tomorrow. The ones who take shelter outside their homes right now.
Oh, the ones who have currently evacuated are not allowed to return to their homes during the ceasefire, presumably to grab their belongings. Did I get that right?
If you don't blame Hamas for the current invasion or for the state of Gaza since 2005 then you likely lack some essential critical thinking skills.
In fact, if you don't blame Hamas then you are emboldening them by granting legitimacy to their actions, granting legitimacy to radical islamic terrorists.
Looks pretty fucking happening to me.
Just wonder why so much of it isn't going on the feed OH WAIT THEY WILL DO IT IN ARABIC RIGHT!?
Ahhhhh. Makes sense now. Kept wondering about that.
He wrote a book called The Industry of the Holocaust, where he explains his idea that a part of the Jewish community uses the Holocaust to make money, war, etc...
The rest is history, he became a poison for zionists. One time he went to Israel for a talk, got arrested, put in prison then deported. I think the reason was something shitty like "national security" I guess.
I know this is b8 but
Do you understand Israeli settlements?
Do you understand blockades?
Do you understand the shitty life?
Think of it like this if you can't already wrap it around your kike head
If the U.S. starting building homes in Mexico and started taking land, you would not blame the Mexicans for fighting back. You would be on their side.
Tsk. They're foolish, really. Still, I guess it proves more than anything that there really is a clear distinction between Judaism and Zionism. Gonna look into him further. Thanks, man.
>you would not blame the Mexicans for fighting back.
The Palestinians have tried violence for 50+ years and they have steadily lost ground and influence. Clearly time to switch tactic.They need to give peace a try. Give up, surrender, drop all arms except for possibly their police. They need to worry about building infrastructure, schools and industry and try to become a prosperous people who get along with their neighbors. Because they will NEVER compete militarily with Israel and are only hurting themselves.
of course I have...
They are not attractive though.
I wanted it as well, but he acted really straight. I was too shy... I will probably never see him ever again ;_; I talked with him a little bit. Actually he studies medicine in Berlin and is currently doing a part time job as patient care attendant/sitter to have enough money for food.
>Has Gaza stopped firing rockets at any time?
>implying they haven't
Nice try, and the answer is a huge motherfucking yes, setting aside that fact that Hamas was created entirely by Israel.
>Do you understand Israeli settlements?
There are no settlements in Gaza. The so called "settlements" in the West Bank is land taken by war and thus belongs to Israel and not to a group of exile Jordanians whom are not wanted in their actual homeland.
>Do you understand blockades?
A blockade that was set in place in order to prevent materials that will later be used to fight Israel E.G parts for missiles launchers, tunnels etc. The blockade will stop once Hamas demilitarizes and stops all offensive actions. Pretty simple.
>Do you understand the shitty life?
Hamas were elected to lead the life in Gaza, if it's shitty, they're the one to blame.
>If the U.S. starting building homes in Mexico and started taking land, you would not blame the Mexicans for fighting back. You would be on their side. Same concept.
What are native Americans?
inb4 that was 200 years ago it's too late to do anything now .
Well, guess what, the U.N Partition Plan for Palestine was 66 years ago. Time to get over it.
>Lel, that pic is probably a white girl and a sandnigger but /pol/ is glorifying it.
>Not reading the text on the wall
Doesn't JIDF have any veterans they can send over our way, or all the all tuckered out and resting until bombs start killing babies again?
>Non-plagiarizing BuzzFeed writer
hahaha, i like the fact that they need to announce if the author is non-plagiarising
but with that aside, didn't hamas admit to kidnapping and killing those people? or was that just more kike lies
>AND THEY ARE GOING TO GET AWAY WITH IT
Only if you let them. Israel does not have infinite power, in case you didn't notice.
being this biased
that description seemed odd to me too.
are they suggesting that most buzzfeed writers simply plagiarize their work?
i tend to agree, but the entire MSM and liberal blogosphere is doing that! once one of them posts a story on a particular narrative, all the rest basically copy/paste it to their own site & read it word for word on TV
sometimes they even copy/paste it to /pol/...
>mfw I mention Lehi tried to make an alliance Nazi Germany on the IDF You Tube channel
>Who is making these mock IDF posters?
Who cares except for the JIDF? Who is blowing up all those babies?
>Stupid palestinians are getting killed, why cant they just surrender their land and rights and territories?
Stupid Israelis are getting killed, why cant they just return the land and rights and territories?
>I just got my ass whooped harder than thr Palestinians in Gaza by someone who knows more than I'll ever know about the situation so I'll go cry in the corner and shout JIDF
Get fucked you dirty 16yo mudslime.
i dunno it seems like an odd thing to say just to poke fun at one particular writer.
i think they are suggesting that the majority of buzzfeed writers are plagiarists and what sets this woman apart is that she is the "non-plagiarizing buzzfeed writer"
exactly. I'm laughing my ass off to crying palas thinking there is a genocide. if there actually was one, and you guys now the serbian way,, this whole conflict would be resolved within 5 years.
>some of the biggest governments in the world support israel, what can we do?
Not be a little bitch. Haven't you ever heard the expression "You can only build the gate so high"?
Spread the message. Make pictures and posters. Use your freedom of speech for something good at least once in your fucking life. Ideas can change the entire universe.
You can make shit like this is Paint for fucks sake.
Most places do that with a source linking back to it. Buzzfeed will just do the same without crediting the original authors. It's especially bad for websites like Cracked.com, but not a big deal, they were just insulting the shitty website that is Buzzfeed.
Protest. Right letters. Get campaigns organised.
> US gives over 80% of all foreign aid to Israel
THIS is where if you are an American, you can really fuck shit up. Tell them straight: don't want my money going to killings kids, thanks. Find something else to do with it, or tell them to sort their shit out properly.
Government for the people, by the people, of the people.
You have to believe it still matters and MAKE it your government or this will just go on and on and on and on. And you will be paying for pretty much all of it.
>>Give up all arms
>>When there's a pack of bloodthirsty sociopaths with comparatively high tech looking for literally any excuse to wipe your people out
Yes 1,300 million Islamic Jihadies because Koran
reposting from previous thread
That was known for quite a few days now, at least July 3rd
Also for german fags
From the descripton :
>German channel ZDF aired a report about the alleged murder of the three Israelis last June
>The report, made by journalist Christian Sievers, revealed that the kidnappers had no political agenda but they were willing to get a ransom from the Israeli families before things get complicated, ending with the death of the hostages
>Sievers says that Israeli intelligence knew about the incident and its purpose, yet the file was classified by orders from PM Netenyahu, and the army took over the investigation to blame Palestinian resistance for it and start a war.
>The journalist in the end accuses the Israeli government of committing war crimes and conspiracy on civilians, both Palestinians and Israelis.
> implying the Palestinian population isn't indeed going down
It's almost like you wanna do something like, oh I dunno, start claiming big numbers of six or so millions makes a holocaust a holocaust.
Gee, now, I wonder who would do their most to make that point.
FALSE FLAG CONFIRMED
ISRAEL WAR WITH ISIS CONFIRMED
lel sandpeople not allowed back in their sand piles!
No. There is no problem with them electing Hamas. Thats democracy. People can elect whoever they want.
It's just if you elect a party as you government that runs on "Death to 'X'" then you can't act all surprised if "X" attack ls you.
Like you can't elect a political party whose main platform is destroying Russia, and enen had the destruction of Russia in their charter, and then the next day act all shocked and be like "My god! Why is Russia attacking us!? What could have caused this aggression!? Are they anti-democracy?"
>kill thousands of people in a patch of land the size of a postage stamp
>the population totally isn't going down
Except hamas' rhetoric about destroying Israel is hollow bullshit made to make them sound good.
They can't defeat Israel with their shitty rockets. Politicians all round the world come out with ridiculous hyperbole, it's usually ignored.
>No. There is no problem with them electing Hamas. Thats democracy. People can elect whoever they want.
>It's just if you elect a party as you government that runs on "Death to 'X'" then you can't act all surprised if "X" attack ls you.
>Like you can't elect a political party whose main platform is destroying Russia, and enen had the destruction of Russia in their charter, and then the next day act all shocked and be like "My god! Why is Russia attacking us!? What could have caused this aggression!? Are they anti-dem
Hamas whole schtick was that they were a new group that offered an corruption free alternative to the Fatah goverment. But again shills are gonna shill.
This was just obvious to anyone with any degree of critical thinking skills, though. It really whipped up a frenzy in Israel and you could tell just from that alone something was being manipulated. And then added into that that analysts and people who would know were saying it just wasn't Hamas' style not to take credit for it or at least try to leverage it in some way.
Also, reasonably and logically, they disappeared and were kidnapped. Are Hamas exclusively the only people in the country who would hurt Jews? It could have been ANYONE who doesn't like Jews for whatever reason and, given how much they've reacted to it for clear gains like severely twatting Gaza/going after tunnels etc., I'm not entirely discounting the Israeli government/Mossad either.
ISRAEL WAR WITH ITSELF CONFIRMED
NIGGAS GETTIN BLASTED
There you have it folks. JIDF admits to Israel false flaging 9/11.
Reminder that 9/11 was the only reason "Terrorism" was created, reminder that the staging of 9/11 caused the huge muslim hate to the US that you see today, and is enforcing the mossad statements that they are terrorists.
No, you weren't teaching some sense. You just we jealous that the fact that Arabs had land and you didn't, so you discredit them in the eyes of the USA, and fool all the big nations into supporting you.
You are truly the scum of the earth, not the mudslimes.
Which is worse, having a document that calls for the elimination of a country, or dropping bombs to eliminate a people.
The concept of not talking to any elected government simply because you don't like them or they don't like you is absurd. The entire point of exchanging diplomats is so that you can open a dialog. Doesn't mean you have to agree or like whatever they say, but maybe if Israel stops treating the Palestinians like caged animals, maybe Hamas will eliminate that little paragraph from their charter that pisses of Israelis.
>The so called "settlements" in the West Bank is land taken by war and thus belongs to Israel
no land taken by war is legal, only annexion which require a referendum by the inhabitants
>A blockade that was set in place in order to prevent materials that will later be used to fight Israel
That'd be sensible, but in fact it's not what the blockade is doing. The blockade stops pharmaceutical items to enter the territory, boats to go farther than 3 miles offshore, the airspace is controlled by Israel, people from entering or moving out of the Gaza strip, etc...
>Hamas were elected to lead the life in Gaza, if it's shitty, they're the one to blame.
That same blockade forbidding Gaza to build a port, have an airport, control it's own borders and have an economy going is Israel's fault. By the way, that blockade is still considered as a collective punishment and is therefore unlawful, if not illegal.
>What are native Americans?
The difference is that there was no International Community back then. Now we have something called international law (and this since at least WWII). Don't be surprised if Israel not following those laws (that they agreed to) brings a massive backlash.
>Juden controlled nations un the U.N approve is Israel
>We're gonna conquer you, if you don't accept it we'll blockade you until you do.
>Hamas elected as if there were any other choice.
>Jews acting like they're in the 17th century
>Trying to justify war crimes
Exactly. Israel is going to have to pay. They were told repeatedly by the UN they are committing war crimes and they're reaction is pretty much "NO FUCK U WE DID NOTHING WRONG ITS U".
They've always been out of control but this is on a whole new level. Contrary to what a lot of spergs on here think, international law is a real thing and it can severely fuck you if you think you're above it.
>international law is a real thing
Considering the only ex-colonies of Britain that matter and aren't shit-tier weren't empty swaths of land, that only got great after being settled by enormous amounts of European immigrants (i.e. USA, Australia), I am a Med-Student and I am a white German, I conclude that your deduction skills are absolute shit.
Furthermore nothing you just said came even close to resembling a counterargument or even being an answere to the previous post.
Nobody can deny that the ME would likely not the the shithole it is now, if foreign powers (mostly UK and USA) woul not have backed the Sunni gulf states to the extent we have seen in the past.
Basically every conflict is based on Sunnis being unable to live together with other non-Sunnis and the Saudis are fueling the conflict with weapons and money.
And since they are "the second most greatest ally in the ME" nobody calls them out for this shit.
>inb4 more ad hominems and insults
Just call me an emasculated Hun living in New Turkey. That will surely show me ;^)
No only is it not going down, they have one of the highest population growth rates on earth and have had for decades.
Someone did the math in a previous one of these threads and the people killed during this war have not even kept up with the birth rates there. That's how high they are.
And once again, when will I have to stop posting the same shit ? Getting tired of this but will continue in case any sane person gets lured by shills.
>Hamas & fatah came to an agreement to create a unity government in April and reinforced that agreement in May.
>Numerous declarations by officials said that they'd agree for a 2-state solution in the 1967 borders and that they would recognize the State of Israel.
>In essence : all the points blocking a long term peace were moot. The "they want to destroy us" point was mostly based on hamas persistence in not recognizing israel, despite agreeing to a long term truce in the 1967 borders since 2006 I think. That argument was dead.
Also, even the charter from 88 calls for destruction of Israel, Hamas has been saying since at least 2006 that they dropped that part, even though they wont destroy the charter alltogether because of the symbolic value of the document to the foundation of their movement.
>the only ex-colonies of Britain that matter and aren't shit-tier weren't empty swaths of land, that only got great after being settled by enormous amounts of European immigrants
What about India?
International law is a thing for every state, that is not one of the 5 veto powers (+ Israel due to Americas vetoes).
Instead of laughing about international law, one should rethink the fact, that these 5 veto powers basically can do everything they like and nobody can stop them doing so.
But yeah, currently it's right to say
Obvious b8 but let's be clear about something.
>They need to give peace a try. Give up, surrender, drop all arm
Israel is not seeking peace that's a known fact. Both Israel and the US would never allow the UN to deploy a peace keeping mission to protect Gaza and the West Bank.
Do you really think Hamas would just give up what little they have in terms of weapons and other equipment to protect themselves if there's nothing done to ensure their safety? You'd have to be very naive or have very little to no knowledge about the conflict to believe that.
Even if Israel somehow gave the okay for a UN mission what guarantees would Palestinians have that the UN would stay for as long as necessary? Absolutely none.
>inb4 How does firing rockets ensure their safety?
How does killing innocent civilians ensure Israel's safety?
Can anyone claim right now that Israel is safer?
What about Jews living abroad are they safer too because kids are being killed in Gaza?
>This was just obvious to anyone with any degree of critical thinking skills
Exactly. They needed a reason to break the hamas/fatah unity gov that was announced and used this one to provoke hamas. I have to say that those fuckers were dumb enough to respond to the provocation, but having 350 palis rounded up + 5 dead and not retaliating would have made them look like pussies to their own population.
Poor little kid, man. Haven't wanted to look at those photos too closely although that whole incident is what got me interested in this.
> like a broken little doll all alone in the sand
> tfw when you wish you were God and you could just pick him up and brush his bones back into place, kiss him on the forehead, and tell him to go play some more
> tfw when you think maybe this is what God actually does
> tfw when you think it's wanting all this is what makes it different the next time round
> tfw when you think that maybe, just maybe, somewhere out there, across time and space, he's laughing and playing and everything is ok and there's no war and no death and no blood and no endless agony and no little broken doll kids in the sand
International reaction is no a whole new level. They misjudged this because they forgot about the significance of twitter, etc. to formulate the discussion way ahead of anything they can do to mould it for themselves.
India is in so far unique, that is has a rich history.
But most of India's importance derives from the fact that they are 1 billion people working under basically inhumane conditions, wage dumping and having access to the ressources of a whole subcontinent.
If they could sort their shit out, they could strive to become a great power. But currently they are only so far economically relevant due to massive amounts of ressources + workforce (basically like every BRIC-state).
>geno·cide noun \?je-n?-?s?d\
>the deliberate killing of people who belong to a particular racial, political, or cultural group
Where does it say that it equals extermination ?
>also telegenic auto-genocide via terror tunnels, lel
When did the rockets start? That's been an ongoing thing, right? What was Israel's given reason for going in on this?
I still think those kids on that beach were killed deliberately by some fucker who thought why not/blood libel shit.
It doesn't. But usually when you say genocide the population being genocided doesn't increase, and in this case increase consistently and dramatically over decades while the "genocide" is taking place.
from my understanding, the timeline is
>3 Israeli kids disappear
>Israel starts arresting palis, 350 of those, including the whole Hamas leader group in the WB
>Israel raid on Hamas, 7 Hamas dead
Somewhere in there, between Some rockets and More rockets, there's the pali kid being burned by settlers, I think, all the while forgetting the ISIS group that claimed the kidnappings & the experts saying it's not hamas etc...
Good article in the Guardian about causes for all this.
> It will only be the last if it is grasped that the way Israel left Gaza institutionalised violent conflict rather than made it less likely. Those Israelis who portray the disengagement as an act of generosity for which they have received no credit misunderstand what happened. Unilateral disengagement in Gaza weakened Palestinian moderates, enabled successive Israeli governments to drag their feet in peace negotiations and is even now being used by prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu, who opposed it at the time, to lay down Israeli security requirements for any future disengagement from the West Bank which would make a peace settlement almost impossible to achieve. So occupation, including by remote control as practised in Gaza, will continue. But that occupation, as one Israeli historian recently concluded, has “hardened those under its power”. That is why Gaza is such an intractable problem.
>implying the hundreds of dead in Gaza right now have already been replaced with new baby palis
You know that the Rwandan genocide saw around 800.000 people killed, but since then the population increased ? It's nonetheless recognized internationally as a genocide.
>but muh comprehension
Yeah, that's my understanding too. Also, I'm not convinced on ISIS. I think they'd claim anything much like any random fuck with a bomb gets claimed by Al Quaida eventually.
It's either lone and the Israeli government took advantage or it's something more sinister. I don't want to say the Israelis would go so far as killing their own kids but again, I'm looking at what they got out of it as an advantage. Plus, they may have had a secret raid or some shit, and it all went to hell, they got the hostages killed, and then decided to manipulate the story. Which obviously ties in.
But yeah, I think the ISIS claims are just that: ISIS sez shit. You'd think if they were operating, they'd be in there doing other shit, otherwise it's almost like they're suggesting they're some super-force that can flit over borders at will to undertake epically strategic random encounters with three kids out hiking. Just sounds like nonsense.
Good post. It's nice to be reminded that there are still people with humanity on /pol/, not just autists trying to out-edge each other.
That ISIS is not involved is a possibility, yeah.
>They may have had a secret raid or some shit
Are you talking about Mossad or Hamas ? Both would fit, if you ask me, but I don't see why Hamas would make that move when they were that close to a peace agreement.
Another theory that might be complete bullshit but is fueled by those rumors of ISIS being "created" by Mossad is the creation of a "terrorist cell" inside Pali territories, a new one since Hamas is more about politics than 10 years ago. That'd be a good reason for Israel to just bomb the fuck out of WB & Gaza (ie : US in afghanistan). That cell being Mossad in disguise or real ISIS-backed independent group is still up for debate, but in each case, it's good for Israel's right wing.
Nah, I meant that they were kidnapped by some random bunch of guys, had information on where they were, raided, got them killed by some sort of crossfire/fucking up situation, and then manipulated the story from there.
I'm not saying this did happen, or I have reason to believe it did - I'm more just attempting the point that there are a huge amount of possibilities when you look at the information objectively:
1. Kids out walking
2. Get kidnapped
3. Phone call from kidnappers
4. A huge amount of national angst
5. All sorts of drumming up of fervour
6. Kids found dead
The gap between 3 and 4 could have a whole lot of things happening involving all sorts of combinations. But yeah, ultimately, it just didn't suit Hamas at all. For all people say Hamas is this and that, my objective view is that they're relatively speaking woefully under-equipped and outranked on almost every level. I just don't think they would do something so essentially idiotic when you consider how even an idiot would know what the consequences would be.
And yeah, again, I'm not convinced by ISIS but sure, I can totally believe that Israel gets up to all sorts of black ops shit. In fact, I think that's their standard MO anyway. On the one hand, I want to be irritated with Israelis and Jews (some not all) about the holocaust wahhh but this is where doing it, ultimately costs you because putting aside you'll be a hypocrite, people are going to take advantage of you with it too.
I don't know anything about these ISIS is Mossad claims although I keep seeing it mentioned. Got any links?
Ok, I got you on the whole "rescue team fucked up" part, that's a possibility too.
The only article I'd trust is this one. Global research (at least the french version) has a history of carefully sourcing & researching all their articles, so I kind of trust them on this one but to me, it's still just rumor. The other articles are from infowars (I don't say infowars are shills or whatever, just that they usually go all fear mongering when just exposing the facts is enough) and other sites like that so...
Ok, excellent. Thanks, based friend. So, wait, are these NSA documents saying this? The Snowden ones?
I know, I know - I should look but I'm a bit tapped out and I'll have a proper read through tomorrow.
And yeah, the 'rescue team' thing. Just to make the point again more that all sorts of things could have happened and to not trust any scenarios presented.