What would be the smartest thing to do?
In my case, yes, the two are mutually exclusive. If all things were equal, I'd probably go film or journalism. But those are useless majors and I'm sure I'd regret it.
What say you, /pol/?
Pick careers long term staying power.
People with STEM degrees like to pretend their skills are immortal, which is untrue. The price for near instant jobs is that those jobs change, and you have to be flexible or you'll be left behind. I've seen that happen to quite a few people with the "God" tier engineering degree
>God Tier: Physics
Im at engineering school studying physics and coming to realize that it's not very employable unless you do grad school/phD. Switching to ME
The problem with creative subjects is its hard to get noticed.
The problem with STEM is that you need 5+ years of experience for most entry level jobs.
Listen to me mate. Study textiles/materials engineering. It's a rapidly growing industry with great pay (except for the sweatshop workers)
If you don't know don't go.
Going to college without a particular reason is a huge waste, unless the only thing you want out of life is 4 years of partying followed by a lifetime of unhappiness. Spend a couple of years out in the world, try to see a little bit of whatever industries you might be interested in and make an informed decision. Realistically you're only going to get one chance at a college education, even if you can afford it later in life there's always going to be some obligation stopping you, and if you go into the wrong discipline it's either not going to do you any good or put you in a career you don't want.
Your 'passion' typically doesn't require a ~$100k + 4 years of your life. If you're going to college, get a degree that's worth something. Pursue your passion on your own time, self study.
>not going to college
>you must be NEET
you do understand that more than 50% of college graduates end up back home, jobless, with massive amounts of debt
My advice to all anons is: go to university only if you meet one or more of the following:
(1) You have a job waiting for you, guaranteed (or are currently employed and can switch to full time)
(2) Your parents / scholarships will pay for all of school
(3) You know with certainty what you want to do
You need to be careful where you live or where will you decide to live for the rest of your life. In some parts of the country, some of these degrees do jackshit because there isn't any opportunities for them anymore. Physics is a big victim to this.
I know this feel anon. The best job you can get as quickly as you can is probably Petroleum engineering, it's a fucking shtity job but the pay is huge, even for starters.
Oh so it's between the people with
> 0 work experience but have a degree
> people with 2 years work experience and multiple references from different employers
Think I'd know which one would be hired buddy
Move psych and business down to shit tier, poli sci at none liberal shithole universities up to mid tier, put women's studies in its own tier below shit tier. Add native studies and sociology to this new tier as well.
Although, entrepreneurial stuff usually requires ground finance and contacts.
What can I do with 2 people who have experience when I need someone who knows more then one job? I can't count on someone who only knows departmentalized experience, I need people trained with multiple skills which I can utilize.
That image is as old, unlikely that it'l change.
In truth, just having a degree opens doors. I wouldn't expect people who make "degree tier images" to really understand that, however.
So basically you're telling us
>Start off with no experience and no degree, and you'd be better off!
>Start off with no experience and a degree, and you're guaranteed to fail!
Nigger, the thing is that a degree actually helps us start getting experience in the first place, it's better than to present yourself with absolutely no knowledge and no degree to your employer.
Yet many would have us believe that there aren't enough Americans with STEM knowledge to fill all the necessary jobs.
H1-B visa is "necessary", don't ya know? Give up you citizenship and you might have a chance at employment.
> All these good college Goys patheticly trying to make themselves feel like that they didn't waste money on college education
Sucks to be you faggots should have joined the military
A good portion of tertiary education is a massive waste designed purely to make money for third parties and keep lecturers employed. This goes for humanities, lib arts and STEM.
A better structure is governing bodies of professions setting examinations that can be taken by anyone who fronts a fee and studies, either in their own time or while being sponsored by a company.
Let's face it, 99% of what's necessary to your job you learn ON THE JOB.
Yes, but this ignores another part of degree's functions other then literal experience.
I'd argue that the gathering of business contacts, the making of friendships is as valuable as the actual education being offered at a university.
That and honestly people cannot be trusted to self tutor in 95% of circumstances.
>I'd argue that the gathering of business contacts, the making of friendships is as valuable as the actual education being offered at a university.
It's possible to recreate this amongst trainees at large and even small companies, remember the number of "apprenticeship" type positions would shoot through the roof so you'd have a whole new type of trainee workplace culture emerging anyway.
I never understood why STEM is pushed so hard.
The only STEM jobs worth getting are only obtainable if you went to a T1 university.
I went to GT for computer science and managed an internship at my freshman year. Wound up switching my major to Biology instead.
If you aren't top 5 you might as well kill yourself.
It depends on what you want to do with it. If you want to actually work for a paper for the rest of your life then Journalism can pay the bills. You aren't going to be rich but you won't live on the streets.
How the hell am I in shit-tier if I`m studying political science(administrative sciences)?
>abloo bloo bloo you need experience to get entry level stem jobs!
>not doing summer internships since your freshman year
>not participating in campus hackathons and app contests
>not having a fully stocked resume by your senior year and interning at google
>not being offered a great position at twitter
it's like you don't know how to succeed.
if you head straight home after classes you're doing college all wrong.
Eh. Play it to your advantage, even with a "useless" degree you can make contacts and worm your way in somewhere. Especially in finance and business.
Find someone on linkedin you think is relevant? Give them a call (send an email first), just tell them you're interested in the industry and want to learn a bit more. Ask them if they've got time for a coffee and at the end ask them if they know anyone else that would be worth speaking to. It works wonders.
>people who get philosophy degrees have higher IQ's
Well I could have told you that, you don't really need a spreadsheet.
Although this spreadsheet is a little disingenuous. Just because a degree has a high number of intelligent people applying for it doesn't make it 'employable'. That said the majority of people I know with philosophy degrees went on to become lawyers.
It has an employment rate > 90% and it's stable with the years. This means that you can be almost sure to get a job unless you are a lazy fuck who spends 10 years in finishing the degree.
I have to add that most of the research is not statal, but private. Don't hesitate to sell your soul to devil Repsol if they pay well enough.
Why doesn't /pol/ study to become a personal trainer?
> Cheap as fuck to get certified (less than $1,000)
> Can be certified in a matter of months
> High employment opportunities (there will always be demand for trainers as long as gyms exist)
> Easy as fuck job (you're basically a glorified adult babysitter)
> Set your own schedule (you can work full time and make it your career or do it part time for supplemental income)
> pay rates start at $18/hr.
>implying the social media won't blow any time soon, and thousands of workers will be made redundant
>implying it is easy to get an internship at Google.
>implying anyone would CV any difference without having relevant work experience.
Why do so many people suck at verbal? My verbal scores were usually higher than math, and math has always been my best subject.
Too many autistic robots with poor language skills take the test, it seems.
It would rank shit tier because "everything else not mentioned"
But I honestly wouldn't take any notice of that list. I mean, any list that doesn't even factor in combined degrees is not much of a lsit.
>become a personal trainer!
Where does that lead in the long-term? I mean, it's going to be a hell of an effort, considering that the most bizarre demands are made of personal trainers to make ham-beasts into Arnold.
You can't do shit with a Philosophy degree unless you're willing to get your PhD to teach philosophy. Short of that, enjoy your career as head barista at Starbucks.
If you actually hate the humanities as a concept you really need to get the fuck off /pol/, all of the decent content here comes from people well versed in the western canon. Not spergy libertarian robot engineers.
Don't go to college unless you've learned things by yourself outside of what high school was teaching you, otherwise you won't have the drive to complete it. And by learn things I don't mean woodworking or some shit. I mean like learning a second language tier stuff.
>I mean, it's going to be a hell of an effort, considering that the most bizarre demands are made of personal trainers to make ham-beasts into Arnold.
Top kek no. Most of the people who hire trai ners are people who are retarded when it comes to the weightroom, they also probably want to get "toned for summer".Also, people hire trainers as a way to make themselves accountable to actually SHOW up to the gym.
As long as people remain retarded about fitness, there will always be a demand for trainers.
Just get whatever kind of degree you want. Most people don't even end up with a career relevant to their degree; the important this is just getting one, not what it's actually in.
>implying there's anything scientific about political science
You're right, it should go in Voluntary Indoctrination Tier rather than Shit Tier.
>Poli sci is just a precursor to law, shouldn't be shit tier
It is shit tier because:
> Precursor to another major (you do the same effort, obtain less)
> No politician ever has studied it.
Sure, you will make money from STEM. But Liberal arts create a more enlightened person. Stem teaches you to do tasks, Lib Arts teach you to think.
Why do you think most leaders and people of high positions were in lib arts?
add Graphic Design to that list too
no one will hire you.
Photoshop is easy as fuck to learn if you have a couple hours to spare.
they have tutorials on adobe's website for free, and youtube videos galore.
Daily reminder that only 1 in 4 STEM graduates have STEM related jobs in the U.S.
Daily reminder that Congress is about to increase the limit on H-1B visas to allow in more foreign STEM workers.
Daily reminder that STEM wages have been stagnant since 1998.
>tfw even stem isn't safe in glorious murican economy
I'm about 90% certain the person that made that image never read Hamlet in their lives.
Every field is either already STEM or distorting the fuck out of itself by trying to become STEM. Look at empirical psychology or analytic philosophy. It's sad as fuck.
>Payrates start at 18$ an hour
Top kek they sure as fuck don't. Have fun working for "Pro Results TM" in your local golds or La Fitness and haggling with people to make them buy training packages just to be jewed by your own company when they take 25$ from the 30$ session you just sold and trained.
It's a Thanatos Gambit; if you get student loan debt das Juden win; if you join the military Das Juden win.
No idea. I was planning to do arch for a while, but got out when I heard there were nojobs.jpeg
>OP forgets to put USA edition in
Like it's our fault only eleven courses are viable in the US.
>no politician has studied political science
explain to me how political science and philosophy are shit tier meanwhile the acceptance rate for those degrees into law school are ridiculously high compared to others?????
Everybody with a brain knows why JFK got POTUS.
Hint: it stands with 'n' and ends with 'epotism'.
Depends on where you are but I'd say he's referring to the glut in the field. Everybody and their dog is doing accounting these days.
Thats actually so false its unbelievable.
Having a Harvard or Yale degree can get you into fields completely unrelated to your major, just because of the prestigious nature of the school
That just simply isn't true, the name of a university opens the path to lucrative graduate training schemes in the sort of generic, corporate-managerial career paths that are basically paved towards upper management.
A good example is something like Swire or Jardines Graduate Training Scheme. They'd take a Harvard Grad over an engineering grad from a shitty school because they know full well that most of what you learn for any job, you learn on the job.
You seem to be labouring under the impression that law school is not suicide.
I can tell you never studied philosophy.
>mfw science is literally natural philosophy but STEMtards don't know this.
Do you relish the prospect of teaching?
Irrelevant to the point under discussion. His success had fuck all to do with his major.
Pro-tip: JFK was a ferocious autodidact and very little of his knowledge came from formal education.
>major in History
Dependents on you, and what you want to do.
If you want shit-tons of money, you choose the wrong profession.
My cousin majored in Architecture, and is now working for a top Engineering firm on the East Coast as an Architect. If you're good and it's truly your passion you'll have no problem.
That can be said for literally every major. You can major in literally anything and it will lead to certain fields if you're smart, good with people, creative, and possess communication/charisma and networking abilities.
>am a full-blooded minority with a high Dean's List standing in an engineering curriculum with hundreds of hours of volunteering and work while in school
>apply for scholarships
>get fucking nothing
What the fuck are you guys doing to stay in the black? God fucking damn it, I swear these cocksuckers don't care about merit, only who can feign "oppression" and "adversity"
>That can be said for literally every major. You can major in literally anything and it will lead to certain fields if you're smart, good with people, creative, and possess communication/charisma and networking abilities.
This. End of fucking discussion. Jesus Christ.
I thought /pol/ was better than the turbo-virgins over at /r9k/.
By the time you go into yet another degree and spend more money the guy with the Med degree has managed to equalize his degree to a US/Western yurop one and is already half way through his specialization.
Also no school for example medicine is going to accept a fine art degree in place of a person doing a medically related degree.
How useful/useless are the following?
International Relations, Finance, (with the 2nd language being German for either)
Double Major in PoliSci/History with a minor in another language.
Keep in mind this is all undergrad
>any job, you learn on the job.
No. Just no unless it's a shit tier one like working behind a desk or changing a light the average top tier ones like Medicine or Law if you have no relevant background in the subjects you will never manage to learn on the Job.
Neuroscibro reporting in.
Because everybody who makes these epic maymays gets the mood of the quote completely wrong. If you've actually read Hamlet you don't use an image like in that epic mammay.
What makes you say 'she'?
>No. Just no unless it's a shit tier one like working behind a desk or changing a light the average top tier ones like Medicine or Law if you have no relevant background in the subjects you will never manage to learn on the Job.
Simply not true. I know lawyers who went straight law school and I know lawyers who went through the paralegal and then law school route.
Both are fairly insistent that the vast majority of what they do on a daily basis was learned while working as a trainee lawyer or paralegal.
Medicine is different of course, and nobody would deny that there should be formalized paths to learn it.
Fuck, my brother works in an investment bank (ABS) and he said he could sit any person with an IQ of 120 at a desk, train them for 6 - 12 months and they'd be able to do what he does without a hitch.
>people will never respect this choice
>you will never be considered academic; people think that your field is quite boring
At least I do get to use that government power once I do get that red collar job in tax administration.
I could have gone and majored in evolutionary biology and ended up as unemployed(only 50% of biologists find job within their field). At least people could then consider me as scientist instead of bureaucrat.
DISHONOR! LOGH! I love that episode.
Yes but the Trainee lawyer and Paralegal period are important, the guy said that any job so somebody can just jump into being a lawyer and learn on the spot which isn't true.
Your brother is exaggerating I say the exact same thing about my job as a cardiologist but if you look at it he probably spent shitloads of years studying his ass off to get to where he is and that knowledge is probably helping him make logical decisions in his job, then again I have no knowledge on what a investment banker job entails from day to day so I could be talking absolute shit.
Should specify, ABS = Asset Backed Securities, not the name of a bank. There are also all kinds of people working in investment banks, from english lit grads to engineers - It basically works like this: If you're good enough to take the cognitive tests the bank does for prospective graduates, and perform well at interview, you get taken on as a trainee.
Don't believe this nonsense about how X degree is a ticket to unemployment. As another anon said, if you're actually smart, good at networking and charismatic to some degree, you can get a decent job eventually.
I`ve only watched 55 episodes, so there is still quite the way to go...
But possibly only actually interesting anime, it`s like the writers would be westerners. One of few animu with worth while plot.
Mainly business analysis for a global logistics company. I've heard him doing interviews on the phone before, and the interviewers always question his degree. He just tells them some bullshit about how earning his degree at UCLA helped him to [insert positive character trait].
>In order for this his claim to be 'simply not true' you need to find an instance where a person has become a successful lawyer without going to law school.
No I don't, I simply need to provide examples of people who say they don't apply what they learned at law school on a daily basis in any meaningful manner.
Do you even understand how law works, you silly spergmeister?
>Get disclosure docs
>Decide what's relevant
>Draw up a list of relevant case law and legislation
>Anticipate opposing arguments
You're not applying some sort of esoteric theory here, it's basic shit.
>Yes but the Trainee lawyer and Paralegal period are important, the guy said that any job so somebody can just jump into being a lawyer and learn on the spot which isn't true.
Not sure what your point is here, I'm essentially saying that a lot of tertiary education, particularly for finance and law, is largely redundant. The fact that trainee lawyers and paralegals are important is totally unrelated to this assertion. The point is that you could learn all of what's required through trainee programs and paralegal positions to actually get started working on a case as part of a team.
>Your brother is exaggerating
Not really, investment banking is 90% anticipation, risk and communication. I work in a similar position in commercial shipping.
I give y'all niggas two useful pieces of information:
1. University (or college for the canailles) ALWAYS pays off in the end. You will be in debt yes, you will spend a few years with shit tier income while your HS/ trade school friends already make 20k per year and feel like millionaires while mocking you. But once you are finished you will easily catch up with these fags in 5 years max. In the long run, even if you pick the most ridiculous of degrees, you will get money. Plus you either get a good life or become a corporate drone. Either way is better than the pleb-life. Trust me. Been there, done that.
2. In my humble opinion, unless you are a high functioning asspie, pick a major where you have both the artes liberales AND STEM elements combined. Sorry for the lack of examples now, but think stuff like geography, man-machine-interfaces etc. If you are just a normal dude with slightly above average intelligence, you will want to have skills as broad as possible. As Arthur C. Clarke already said, specialization is for insects.
Come on man, step your game up. Ah whatever, but keep watching. The episode your picture is from will be really great. The Gaiden series are good, don't listen to the plebs saying otherwise.
My claim has consistently been that large portions of tertiary education are redundant and that they do not teach you esoteric skills you're going to apply on a day to day basis unless you're talking about something like medicine or engineering.
Do you even understand how law works, you silly spergmeister?
>Get disclosure docs
>Decide what's relevant
>Draw up a list of relevant case law and legislation
>Anticipate opposing arguments
>You're not applying some sort of esoteric theory here, it's basic shit.
Stop that now you're just embarrassing yourself, I don't care for your friends, the Law school serves an important part in building the foundation for the trainee lawyer.
>The point is that you could learn all of what's required through trainee programs and paralegal positions to actually get started working on a case as part of a team.
That's not the same as being a lawyer from the get go are you following this conversation or what ? Do you want me to greentext the entire conversation?
In the trainee period or paralegal one you're getting handheld where do you get the idea that they will give you Law 101 the moment you become a trainee, they expect you to have the theory from Law school drilled into your head so you can keep up with what is happening.
I can't take anyone seriously if they're actually ripping on things as basic to the human condition as studying history.
It's fine to shit on what lib arts have become of course, with all the leftism, but to shit on them as a thing to study per se, well, that's just autism.
I know, right?
A squirrel playing Shakespeare is funny erryday.
>That's not the same as being a lawyer from the get go
I never said this. People aren't "lawyers from get go" even after they complete law school. They're trainees.
>In the trainee period or paralegal one you're getting handheld where do you get the idea that they will give you Law 101 the moment you become a trainee, they expect you to have the theory from Law school drilled into your head so you can keep up with what is happening.
Are you suggesting legal theory is hard to learn?
The vast majority of law school is not legal theory, it's a massive ingestion and then regurgitation of case law around finals time. Legal theory was the smallest part of our legal studies.
How many of you are on full-ride scholarships, for not only tuition, but housing, meal, student fees, and everything else? I busted my ass and got nothing for it, I'm fucking pissed
>tfw you adore mathematics above all other areas of study but go for engineering because of muh employability
Oh well at least I still kind of enjoy it.
>Did a degree about "multimedia" in college, almost free because socialism
>Since its about technology, I can say I was in sTem right? hehehe...
>That feeling knowing you just did a sub-par degree because it was the path of least resistance
I'd love to have ambition just once in my entire life you know
>I never said this. People aren't "lawyers from get go" even after they complete law school. They're trainees.
>you learn for any job, you learn on the job.
And those Case law regurgitation are serving as a basis and gateway to the trainee job it all fits together similar to a domino.
You're not and will not be able to achieve the same results with a random degree in art in comparison to one in Law. There is a reason why this has never happened and never will happen because the premise is stupid to begin with.
I build mathematical models of linguistic phenomena based on philosophical theories about semantics, implement them in computer algorithms that are trained on the statistics of business news text and test their performance in terms of their ability to predict the outcomes of psychological experiments.
Which tier am I on?
Oh and my undergrad was in physics.
These days though it is like being a user or something. Multi-variable modeling is pretty much plug and play.
The interpretations are a little more involved, but not all that hard.
The real work comes in writing up and presenting your analysis to other engineers and leadership.
Also, see the cute squirrel. He thinks he is an actor.
>tfw law school
I'm feeling pretty good so far; only one year to go, and I already have strong employment prospects. It's the best investment, in my opinion; shortest time to getting a professional degree.
I get a roughly 75% scholarship, personally.
>Online/Auditing University Courses
Get education necessary in an employable field (but no degree)
Suck government cock to get loan (although this isn't made too difficult right now)
Suck academic cock by taking loads of completely unnecessary courses (make work/ego stroking for faculty)
Suck corporate cock by working in menial jobs unrelated to major for decades to pay (note: not pay OFF) student loans
Suck bank cock to get them to go easy on you when you can't pay off loans to their satisfaction
Suck government cock again when defaulted loan goes back to them
>So a diploma is just a piece of paper that says "I suck cock on demand!"
>and finally become a lawyer.
Where you will not make much money at all.
And be bored out of your gourd.
Is that not right?
Any other lawyerfags in here who are going through it too?
>Where you will not make much money at all.
Not at first.
We've got to keep going though, there's light at the end of this tunnel (in the form of massive wages and perhaps even politics).
Its in the tier above the others, anon. When things go to shit here and engineers are sucking dick to get low level construction jobs, you can always go somewhere else and teach the language we're speaking right now, or another language entirely.
There's always jobs in someone's society, and if you speak their language, then you're employable. If you can teach this language and speak their language, then you're in demand. People are always wanting to learn another language, English especially.
I'm 2 years into law school myself, and I find it perfectly decent. I have a clerk job lined up for after I graduate, and I actually enjoy the work.
Plus, in law there's a lot of room for advancement. It has a very nice salary curve such that you'll be rolling in money by the time you're 45-50. I have literally never met a middle-aged lawyer who is not wealthy.
>I have literally never met a middle-aged lawyer who is not wealthy.
This, I know a lot of lawyers and they're all atrociously wealthy.
Just gotta work at it for a few decades, we'll get there.
>>Pump out bullshit, get paid
What kind of pay are we talking about, anon?
>Brother is English major
>is 26 now
>Manager at a top Advertising Firm in NYC
>makes more money than most people here
>people still believing your major matters
>most people don't even work in fields related to their major
If you're autistic you have no chances of staying at your job for long. Have fun being outsourced in 10 years.
Depends, pay varies but there is decent demand.
My friend was an architect but then decided he wanted to design luxury boats.
He now owns multiple apartments in major cities across the world, has his own luxury ship and doesn't have to work any more.
I'm stuck as a teacher, funny how life works out.
Not at all, just pursue a masters in a more specialized field. If you fail in your specialized field, you can always fall back on teaching history.
If you enjoy history, it shouldn't be a problem.
>There are people right now on /pol/ who don't study Mechanical engineering for oil and gas technologies
Enjoy your non payed internships and responsible McDonalds jobs
Astronomy is the interaction of planets. It's applied physics.
You're thinking of Astrology, which is the belief that the relative position of planets and stars have a significance in your day to day life.
Engineering and Statistics jobs can easily be outsourced within the next 10 years.
In the end, social skills are what's going to keep you employed. Harness your leadership, networking, and social ability or your fucked.
That's because the word STEM is used for a wider variety of degrees every year.
Bullshit new engineering degrees are added to it that give STEM a shit name.
The main and most important STEM fields - Mechanical engineering, Electrical Engineering and Chemical Engineering are on the rise in both pay and demand.
Speaking as a CPA, while I clearly understand bean counting does nothing to advance the human condition (although it is helpful in maintaining stable governments and businesses), I'm surprised it gets as much hate as it does.
4 years of school, ready made 60K job upon graduation with steady raises and advancement opportunities, an employer that will pay for not only your masters but your CPA training and tests as well, and infinite opportunities for self employment after that.
What's not to love? I work less than 20 hours a week training small business's bookkeepers and assisting owners in fiscal management, and maybe do 35-40 hours a week during tax time. Last year I took home around $140,000 for sitting on my ass in a tree stand most of the time.
>I build mathematical models of linguistic phenomena based on philosophical theories about semantics, implement them in computer algorithms that are trained on the statistics of business news text and test their performance in terms of their ability to predict the outcomes of psychological experiments.
Replace "semantics" with "semitics" and I would say that you do what almost every neckbeard on /pol/ does. Except for the fact that every neckbeard on /pol/ works very hard to take bait, incite and participate in shitposting as well.
Before you mentioned your undergrad, I thought you were just being creative about being a /pol/-browsing NEET or something.
There are 3 Billion people in China and India (half the world population) and their economy is growing exponentially. Where do you think that will leave you when many of these Chinese and Indian people can do your job for a 1/4 of the price? Where do you think this leaves you when Thailand, Africa, and the majority of the World's countries can do your job for a 1/4 of a price?
Social skills and networking is all that's going to matter in 30 years.
Law, Intelligence Analyst, Consulting.
Transfer to a target and be talented than maybe you'll get a job with a history degree.
Transfer to a Public Ivy, or an actual Ivy if you want to major in the liberal arts and be a talented student.
Just do an engineering degree. Journalism and film are shit fields in academia. If you were into something like philosophy I'd suggest either a double major or a minor, but there's no real point in subjecting yourself to the horror of university journalism departments.
No, seriously I build mathematical models of language. Like using vector spaces and tensors to model how the meanings of words combine in a sentence. The form of these models is related to the theories of philosophers like Wittgenstein or Russell about how semantics works. To actually test the models you have to apply them to something and this requires turning it into a program of some sort. I end up using python a lot, but I also use C, C++, Java, R, and other stuff. Once you have a working program you need to apply it to some actual data, which is often news text from the Wall Street Journal, and you then have to prove the result are relevant to how people actually use language, which needs some sort of psychological experiment, like fMRI, EEG, priming, or something.
not all STEM is equal
unless you want to be a chemistry or bio teacher or something most of those are useless (without medical degree)
go to career outlook handbook (dept of labor U.S.) and pick out a CAREER
It sounds to me (as layman as I am) like you're trying to turn subjective information into predictable, objective data. It sounds like there is a lot of guesswork. Good thing you're not autistic, because you might have killed yourself by now.
I made the mistake of taking English, but I plan on using it to get my TESL and teaching English to new immigrants to my country, as well as under-literate adults, or possibly even teach English overseas.
>majoring in mathematical economics
>math majors treat you like a babby even though I'm in Calc III and they're struggling through Pre-Cal
>every other major thinks you're boring even though they're dead broke while you're receiving emails daily about becoming a quantitative analyst
>parents think you're going to quit ten years into it and go off the deep end, doing stand up or living on a sailboat
In reality I just like math.
Just finished my B.Sc. of Atmospheric Science & Weather Technology, now I'm working for a pulse dopplar weather research lab as a scientist while simultaneously going after a Ph.D. of Meteorology.
Any other meteorologybros here?
>people will always want to know the weather
>the field of weather science is constantly advancing with new technology
>weather is always changing and difficult to predict, so the human factor will always be present and it's a skill that is impossible to outsource
>meteorological and atmospheric science departments of universities are among the best funded, alongside medicinal and computer science research
>average starting salary for undergrads is >$50k a year, average mid-career is >$90k a year
>interesting work, lots of going into the field, being in the midst of the wildest storms ever, and actually contributing to society
>mfw driving a van full scared interns through the BWER of a 1,000+ j/kg convective thunder storm at 90+ MPH
You've got one life. NEVER GIVE UP ON YOUR DREAMS, BABY!
What do you want out of your degree - a fun career in a field you enjoy, or a lot of financial return and monetary stability for the future?
If you can answer that you're already richer than most.
>it's a skill that is impossible to outsource
Until we can actually understand and compute all the variables included in global weather, then your job will be done with machines.
Although by that time you could probably find work on other planets without this capability.
I got $8000 over four years. I was one percentage point away from $20000. I took a year off from school after highschool and worked my ass off, now I'm going to graduate debt free. Kind of glad that I didn't get the full ride, because working to get by is a great experience, and gives you an edge over the kiddies whose parent's paid their way.
Can someone explain why Business degrees are bad? Some of my cousins have undergraduate degrees from top tier business schools and they're making 6 figure salaries just 2-3 years out of college.
Having done sociology for 3 years at degree level, it is nothing but a load of women whinging at how they have been oppressed by men, then getting bitchy when they get a reasoned argument that they can't actually argue against.
You know i never liked this one. I often find the people who graduated in the humanities to be insufferable cunts, but i still believe that western artistic tradition must be preserved.
>make my own schedule
>practice everyday for at least 5 hours
>open up roth IRA
>play on broadway
>play music freelance
>Max IRA every year
>MFW I get paid to chill and practice an instrument
>Want to go Mech Engineering
>Know I won't have as high of a GPA as I would in Business
>Know that the Navy only cares about GPA when applying for an Aviation Slot
Fug.. What do?
Biology is heavily underrated if you're smart. Easily the most hands on and dun science out there and it isn't over flooded with white males, so if you're not beta and smart you'll succeed
go army aviation. I went in as a know nothing and left with valuable experience and an A&P license that helped me go contracting for jobs that range between 75k to 150k.
pretty sweet gig, and fixing aircraft is piss easy
Meteorology, atmospheric science, and weather technology are STEM fields. STEM = Science, technology, engineering, & mathematics.
The guy you see in a suit on TV is just the tip of the iceberg. There are teams of potentially hundreds of people behind him reading charts, crunching numbers, and retrieving valuable data from the field to get accurate predictions and observations about the weather.
It can be. Most of it is office work, but I'd give about 33% to venturing outside getting balloon and radar data.
My senior seminar was to spend 5 days on a naval platform off the coast of Key West. It was good fun.
The very basics of weather science and meteorology are that it's unpredictable. A good portion of what makes weather the way it is are outside forces acting upon the Earth. The Universe is ever expanding and ever changing. Weather is not something for which you can just "compute all the variables" because that's a very asinine notion. It's about as predictable as what type of biology will form on other planets.
>Until we can actually understand and compute all the variables included in global weather, then your job will be done with machines.
It's stupid, but it's how the Navy works. A 4.0 GPA in Business would look better than a 3.7 in Mech Engineering. Of course this wouldn't be true if I was going liberal arts or so some shit.
I want to be a pilot, specifically a fighter pilot, not a mechanic. Army doesn't have fixed wing.
Pleb tier psych student here. Trying to go the extra mile for psychiatry though. Half way through my B.S and obviously have to go for the PhD. I considered changing to pharm but I think its too late at this point.
I went into civil engineering because it's something I can use to immigrate to pretty much any country and be guaranteed a job. Plus the engineering field itself is a window of opportunities.
I'm socially retarded and go to a trade school, should I just kill myself?
I'm finishing up school to get my Airframe & Powerplant Certification to become an Aircraft Maintenance Technician.
Where does this put me on the list? It's kind of a mix between engineering, mathematics, and getting your hands dirty. Fun stuff.
Hilarious. According to this image, all of the specialized people - i.e. the cogs - are god-tier.
And all of the greatest people in history are "shit tier".
People buy technology and gadgets and get a doctor to help them live longer, all so they can enjoy the fruits of that which is produced in "shit tier".
Are you really comparing hipster university students to Classical philosophers and worldfamous artists?
You know almost none of them got degrees in their respective fields, right?
Education is an investment. You knowingly accumulate thousands in debt from loans to go to school for the purpose of getting a job which requires higher education.
Good luck getting on at that philosophy factory that just opened up down the street.
Spending all your money on a degree with no job prospects just proves you are retarded and made a bad investment
Nice, thanks anon.
We spend lots of time in the shop, more time than in the classroom anyway. I also had to learn how to use autoCAD, so you're right, it is more like a trade.
Thanks anon, and no I'm not a jew. I'm a Deist who came from an irreligious family.
I hope to someday rip off a bunch of jews though.
STEM is good, but the shortage and pay are grossly exaggerated.
I did mechanical engineering. I got a salary job making 45,000 upon graduation.
I went to a top 5 school for engineering.
I had to beat people out for co-ops and make a 3.5 at a school notorious for grade deflation.
In short, I absolutely worked my ass off to get a job as soon as I hit campus and it worked out.
Nothing is a sure thing, but if you get into a good school and kick ass/network, you'll get a good job.
However, that job may or may not be in an actual STEM field/engineering capacity.
The need for research and actual R&D spending is sort of low and this directly affects the hiring of engineers.
Also, be ok with topping out at 90,000 (optimistic) after like 15 years of work.
This is an excellent income obviously, but consider my friend that majored in ECON:
Graduated at the same time with a BS. He got a job in financial sales and he's on track to make 100,000 in six years. He works fifty hours a week, but still....
You're not going to see that in engineering unless you're A. truly a special snow flake or B. you've got sales skills to move up to management.
Also, be aware that most positions are asking for insanely specialized skill sets right now. So, if you don't get a job through campus recruiting, it's insanely hard to break in.
TL;DR: STEM majors can be good choices for security and a decent income, but nothing is guaranteed and there are still a lot of challenges to get a "good" job with these degrees.
>Will never go to a fancy university to learn engineering,neuroscience and physics and to actually do something with my life
Trades are great spots for socially retarded ppl.
You can make solid money.
Have security in your job.
The job more about the quality of work you do and less about soft-skill bullshit like being able to politic correctly in an office.
Assuming you're a burger get PEL Grants and other aid. Just about everybody is eligible, you can keep what is left over. You could also go the loan route too and worry about it after you graduate.
You can earn a really good living, BUT you'll need Shell/BP to recruit for your school or you'll need to find a person to network with to get in there.
Plus, you need at least a masters degree to be competitive for the actual research/technical stuff.
Bachelor's degrees get you sales positions and shit because you have a better than average understanding of the product due to study.
Most places won't consider you qualified without the Masters. Let alone companies like Shell and BP that can pluck the best and the brightest.
Psych student here and as >>33172182 said I'm working towards Psychiatry if that makes any difference. Why the hate for psych? Is it because it's 'not a real science', or an over saturated field that plebs flock to? I have a genuine interest in neurology, how it effects behavior and all that.
I feel that in time it will grow to be a respectable field, there is simply too much that we don't understand about the brain.
You could, but you won't. They would rather hire geotechnical, chemical, mining and environmental engineers over some glorified guy who watched rocks grow for four years and can't do differential equations.
I know people with BSes in psych who got jobs. It's mostly entry-level HR or management stuff though.
My sister got a GREAT job with just a 2 yr degree in psych, believe it or not. She's a preschool teacher.
Honestly I think you people need to quit worrying THIS much about the field you choose. Obviously pick something you feel like you can use in the ever-changing job market, but it doesn't HAVE to be STEM, and majoring in history/philosophy/psychology/etc. doesn't condemn you to a life of unemployment, but keep in mind that if you do pick such a field, job opportunities are limited to a competitive field.
Not trying to sound rude but a degree in history or psychology is going to be easier than a degree in actuarial science or mechanical engineering, so there's gonna be more people in the job market with those degrees leaving fewer openings.
thanks for explaining yourself.
i know one really successful guy in sales that has a bs in psych.
what you said is really reasonable.
i did mech e and while there are a lot fewer ppl majoring in it, there are also a lot fewer true mech e positions available out there.
I'm doing a PPE degree atm. It works well in conjunction with other things; it helps your reasoning abilities and it also forces you to make sure that your decisions in the other two are weighted by something much more than immediate utility (unless you turn out to be a utilitarian).
History and archaeology are the sciences of the past. They're are two major divisions in education. The sciences, and the humanities. The sciences are the useful shit. The humanities are just shit.
History and archaeology USED to be sciences. History was for advisers, politicians, and leaders. Archaeology was what discovered the past. It was a field of forensic science.
They used to be useful. And they still are, but, atleast in America, they have been revamped because they were "boring" to all the ADHD 90's kids who are now in college, into humanities, and are now another "artsy-fartsy" class.
Psychology is essentially WiP. A lot of it is based on myth and recent discoveries. Kinesiology is fairly useless, unless you live in an area of large demand, in a metropolitan or urban center.
Other wise, the average Joe will advance NOWHERE with a degree in it.
Humanity will just get more sucky unless we progress. The more progressive a subject is, the more useful is, and most of the time, the higher the employment.
Thank you. I myself admit my reasoning is fairly stupid, but, I Honestly believe the ex-sciences should hold a higher place in society than they currently do.
I didn't use to think this way, then I was introduced to Dan Carlin.
Translation: People who have money don't really know true happiness.
Second Translation: Butthurt from my shitty education and career choices (but I can pretend that I am happy)