>we need to have an honest discussion
any academic attempt at making sense:
I'm going to abuse the shit out of this phrase.
In 10 years, when gun laws have loosened even further, guns sales still going strong, gun ownership rates still increasing, and crime going DOWN DOWN DOWN even further.
We all know they'll still be pushing gun-control no matter how futile, while we get point and say "you're on the wrong side of history".
What does problematic mean in liberal world? Is it a way for them to act like they are formally taking care of a small problem in front of their agenda or is it just a way of sounding nerdy?
No, that's not what makes you look retarded. What makes you look retarded is your retardation.
Name one liberal argument in favor of "wealth redistribution" (looting) that is not pants on head retarded.
Any phrase with the word rape in it is basically meaningless now. Unless you are SJW like my sister. Yesterday I said I hope this girl I am going to go out with doesn't accuse me of rape on our first date. She started crying and now I can't say that word around her.
"Problematic" means that it is bad for totally nebulous reasons and that it can't actually be demonstrated to have any negative consequences.
Why does this concept exist
its time to drop the word all the fucking time. When you're watched a football game say "jeeze they're really raping the other team"
when she bitches tell her to check her self and that its a colloquialism. If she bitches about that point out that the word gay referring to a sexuality was once just a colloquialism too
"Problematic" means that it is bad for totally nebulous reasons and that it can't actually be demonstrated to have any negative consequences. It's a step down from "offensive," which is a weaker form of e.g. "racist".
Why does this concept exist
>Name one liberal argument in favor of "wealth redistribution" (looting) that is not pants on head retarded.
>hurrr durr wealth redistribution, hurr durr dey urnned it, muh job creators
Social programs demonstrably improve quality of living metrics, nations with stronger social welfare programs are better places to live, highly liberal economies have poor social mobility and are anti-meritocratic.
But on topic. When dumb fags say things like "I can't even ..." when they can't respond to a an argument and just want to appeal to mass disapproval to show they MUST be right!
And when SJWs say things like "you should educate yourself," totally removing any responsibility they have to launch their own argument and putting the blame on anyone who disagrees with them for not having sufficiently researched or understood to point they didn't even make.
>mfw I would use problematic at debate tournaments and watch my opponents sigh and shake their heads every time I said it
Worst thing is, racism would be nearly so by now had we skipped the civil rights movement and nuggets not started chimping. Before 1950, black children had a higher rate of legitimacy than whites.
>men have oppressed women throughout time
>Implying all men/women in every culture/civilization were equal or on the same societal level
>implying men and women didn't have their roles for a reason
>implying men and women in the past had the time and leisures men and women enjoy today
Yeah I get being a women probably wasn't the best in the past, but stop acting like every woman was kept in a box until it was time for dinner.
I cringe when I hear:
>younger and browner
>Scandinavia proves socialism works
>every other industrialized democracy does x
>tax the rich
>raise the minimum wage
>compete in a global economy
I cringe when I hear "equality" or any variant thereof.
Equality implies scarcity and a zero sum game. It assumes a very binary view of the world where there can only be oppressed and oppressors, and we will never be perfect until there are no differences in the world and we're all a Borg hivemind - nirvana.
Pic related it's the liberal utopia.
This really gets my blood boiling. How untenable can your viewpoint be that your only defense for it is bringing up what year we're in?
ITT: Conservitards prove once again they lack any semblance of creativity, or even knowledge of their opponents, and simply parrot what they hear in their fact-free echo chamber.
You people are as boring as you are trite.
>istrumentality is the false paradise of egalitarianism, everyone is the same without unique qualities or virtues trapped in self-indulgent stasis
>beta male rises up to oppose the grey nothingness that liberals wish to inflict on us in favor of a world of strife
At last I truly see
How did "equality" become such a goddamn sacred cow? Was it the "All Men are Created Equal" in the Declaration? Why are we all so convinced that men and women have to occupy the exact same positions in society, even though they're so obviously different?
You've really never heard some dickhead say something along the lines of
"we're in the year 2014, how is gay marriage still an issue?"
"it's 2014 and the police still shooting black kids smh"?
>We should be grateful for _______
>America was founded on the genocide of native americans
>There should be life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness for all
>People in Africa are starving
>Homosexuality isn't a choice
>I feel like a boy trapped in a girls body
>You will never understand
...can't tell if i'm projecting or just genuinely mad at my generation, these don't even really count as "liberal" banter... does it? fuck I hate niggers
>Social programs demonstrably improve quality of living metrics, nations with stronger social welfare programs are better places to live
For niggers and the poor, sure. For everyone that actually likes to keep the money that they make they fucking suck.
>Yes goy, don't stand up for your beliefs! Never challenge the liberal narrative, hehehe, good goy
Sex with a woman is physically pleasurable, even if the gay man has no attraction to her. He can fantasize about men while he's fucking her. It's not hard.
>Doesn't that just prove how homosexuality is a choice?
Are you retarded?
>Social programs demonstrably improve quality of living metrics
No, they are an effect of a nation developing a higher quality of living.
>nations with stronger social welfare programs are better places to live
Strong/wealthy nations are better places to live, and the people vote to take care of their own because they have the cash to do so, thus creating stronger social welfare programs.
>highly liberal economies have poor social mobility and are anti-meritocratic
This is true.
Asside from some confusion of cause/effect you are on track to making some great arguments anon! You should be proud, not many liberalfags have that level of intelligence.
These are bad things in the rightists worldview since each and every conservitard is a Randian Superman who built it all himself.
Lulz you people are deluded morans. Sincerely.
So you're saying that a gay celibate isn't actually gay?
Gay means that you're sexually attracted to people of the same gender. It doesn't matter if you act on it.
0/10, you're retarded.
whenever a liberal spouts some bullshit i always immediately accuse them of racism
when are want gun control i immediately accuse them of wanting to strip minorities of their rights so that they can be exterminated and then move on to calling them nazi's
only way to beat a liberal fucktard in an argument is to be the even bigger liberal fucktard
Brother same boat.
I am a liberal that stands for progressive taxation, proactive state spending on infrastructure and moderate protectionist practices, and equal protection under the law.
Why the fuck did the left turn into 'the party FOR women', 'gun grabbers' 'gib-me-dats' and every other horrible thing?
Its like some nightmare land where everything the Republican feared were true...
Of course, last time the Rebs had things, it was everything we feared (Jesus and Corporate handouts everywhere!)
God dammit where is my 1965 politics at?
>My opinions are more true than your opinions!
Come on man, there are clearly good arguments from both schools of economic and political thought. You are being a fucktard if you think there are not sound arguments on both sides.
They often simply divide on what the particular principles they want to prioritize, to which reasonable minds can differ.
Its like you don't even republic.
>When whites split up Colonial Africa, they drew arbitrary lines as borders. The result was that different tribes were suddenly confined to the same territory and forced to coexist.
Multiculturalism is why Africa is in shambles.
The USA needs MORE multiculturalism
Less that more of a "You can choose to follow your degenerate impulses or you can rise above your animal instincts and devote yourself to a life of celibacy."
By this I mean the following: (And this is applicably, its a sexuality just not attracted to the same demographic)
Pedophile means you're sexually attracted to people of a young age, it does matter if you act on it. By choosing to act on your twisted impulses you actively harm the species, sexing a child leads to mental distress as well as promiscuity.
Homosexuality doesn't have a genetic future, their lifestyle ends their genetic bloodline as well as continuing the delusion that homosexuality is healthy in society at large.
>I didn't know such ignorant bigots like you were still around, you really to be educated
>there's no such thing as a XXXX we're all humans
>we live in a globalized world now, don't you know? I can't believe you don't know that
>it's 2014, for heaven's sake, are you still living in the 1930s or something?
>are you racist? there are no lands for certain people, the Earth is for everybody
>we're all humans, XXXXX is just a social construct
>you are imagining things in your racist little mind
>don't you know, we all have a common African ancestor
>you racist XXXX are thinking too much in terms of US and THEM
>you should just accept diversity and if you do, diversity will be our greatest strength
>oh God, there's only one race -- the HUMAN race -- what on Earth are you afraid of?
>the only problem is your racism toward us
>define XXXXX culture -- you just claimed there was a XXX culture so now I demand you define what that culture is
>no, no, no, if you're so scared your precious little culture will be destroyed by us, you can XXXXX your pathetic little XXXXX all you want, no one will stop you from doing that.
>Besides, diversity is our strength, why don't you know that?
>that is just a racist XXXXX neonazi conspiracy theory
Two consenting adults =/= adult molesting a child. This isn't that hard.
>Homosexuality doesn't have a genetic future
You'd think they'd have died out by now, then.
Being gay isn't a choice. You can stammer about muh degeneracy all you want, it doesn't change facts.
When ever I hear the argument that this propagates rape culture, I start to lose it.
The first part that irks me is that if it is a "culture," I should be respected for bringing some diversity to the group and my culture should be celebrated.
The second part is that how often do we joke about murder or death without being shamed for propagating "homocidal culture." People who make jokes about death, don't advocate killing people.
this one seems to be their favourite
>well you want to keep things the way they are
>I want to make extreme changes
>we should meet at the middle and make normal changes that will suit both of us
>Even if XXXXX who cares, it's just skin color -- you should not be making an issue out of skin color -- afterall, it is the person inside that matters, we all bleed red
>America will become a little bit lighter in the future, why would you make such a big fuss out of that?
>enjoy your life, it's too short to go around full of hate
>by 2025, we Mexicans will have integrated into society and we'll all be white, just like you
>just because we are XXXXXX, we're not allowed to be European? that is so racist.
>might be a lot of nazis here in hiding, he kept using the terms US and THEM
>can you believe he has a problem with us just because we are different?
>These racist attitudes make me ill
>we all bleed red
>in your little, ignorant, racist mind
>I believe in humanity, one humanity. why can't we all just get along?
>an immigrant is just a friend you don't know
>why do you think you have a right to your homeland in the first place? are whites a superior race or something?
>what's the big deal if your precious race gets washed away in a sea of black? it's called evolution
>you sound like an white supremacist to me -- talking about YOUR land and the preservation of YOUR white people and culture
>why won't you share out your RICH continent with POOR immigrants who have fled from religious persecution?
>just seeking a better life here
>Why do you hate so much?
>It's hard to see racism when you're white
>All racists say that
homosexuality is a mutation of genes that will be slowly bred out of the common DNA, until that happens, it's our degenerate culture that triggers these genes to show themselves and affect biochemisty.
homosexuality is a choice just as much the environment you are raised in is a choice.
Acting homosexual is the real choice.
......redneck sister fuckers!
......I bet you have a big truck with that gun to make up for your tiny dick!
In europe they.......!
With gun control we could have the murder rates of [insert semi-isolated island nation here]!
>no racists in our streets
no racists in our streets
>no racists in our streets
no racists in our streets
>how Whites took over America
never understood this liberal logic.
Multicultural societies are always tyrannies because only a strong leader can keep all the different ethnic groups under control.
it is like Liberals secretly want a Totalitarian state.
The common DNA that a family shares as well as one's specific genetic code.
>died out by now
Mental disorders don't "die out", at best they can be prevented (to an extent) with research and counseling.
>Being gay isn't a choice
Is being a pedophile also not a choice? Again they are both sexual orientations, one just has a different target demographic.
>it doesn't change facts.
No, but society can bitch out medical institutions until they are forced to change their facts and remove homosexuality status as a mental disorder. Wait that can change and has changed facts.
What I'm arguing about here is ones ability to choose to not act upon the impulses of a damaged mind.
An assault rifle is a defined, real thing. It is a select fire rifle chambered in an intermediate cartridge.
Assault weapons, assault style weapons, and military-style rifles are all liberal/political words that mean nothing.
>no racists in our streets!
hahhahahaha it gets me everytime
>Is being a pedophile also not a choice?
No, it isn't a choice.
>Again they are both sexual orientations, one just has a different target demographic
How does that have the slightest thing to do with homosexuality being a choice?
>at best they can be prevented (to an extent) with research and counseling
Despite millions of dollars and decades of research, nobody has found any treatment that can prevent or cure homosexuality. It is immutable, at least with our current medical technology.
>What I'm arguing about here is ones ability to choose to not act upon the impulses of a damaged mind
Once again ,you should clarify that in the future.
putting yourself in an environment that could rehabilitate your homosexual inclinations is also a choice.
If someone was raised in such a way that they were not psychologically sound, their first responsibility is to not act on it, their second responsibility should be to seek treatment, their third responsibility should be to attain a healthy mindset.
For example, if you're clauesterphobic, this isn't a choice you consciously made, perhaps there was a traumatic event when you were a child that has left you uneasy in small spaces.
While it's unfortunate the someone might have this problem, the most personally responsible option is to keep that problem to yourself, keep your shit together when the anxiety starts creeping in, seek help over coming the phobia.
The entitled twat option would be to demand the government make small spaces illegal.
>yo muh nigger, imma fittin beez yo dy'vershitty book reader an' sheeit, know-ahm-sayin'
>lemme holla atchoo bout a muhfuggin young blood dey call Curious George and his liberal white slavemaster, ah means his creepy ass cracka.
Listen to the rest of this anecdote and others from diversity readers on Amazon.com.
>putting yourself in an environment that could rehabilitate your homosexual inclinations is also a choice
No such environment exists, see here >>34303740
Even Exodus admitted that gayness can't be cured.
>a step back towards the dark ages
...or something like that.
>This brings us right back to the darkest hours of our history
Is this the beginning of an epic and french maymay?
>Anyone who doesn't agree with my opinion is a paid corporate shill, because people must naturally love leftism.
> I can't even
>*regurgitated quote from some obscure website that somehow is infallible*
> Systematic racism
> Science proves God doesn't exist
> assault weapons
> military style *insert gadget*
> Everything is an AK47 or an M16
> AR-15 stands for "Assault Rifle - 15"
> Din do nuffins
> We need to learn the black youths ooga booga where da monies for dem programs
> 1 like = 1 prayer
> signal boost
I'm gonna lose it
Does anyone have that picture of an Indian talking to two other Indians, where he's saying something like, "I don't hate white people, but if we let them in, they're replace our people and culture and become the new majority..."
its time to heal
this requires a process
there is a hambone stuck in my ass
They may have decided to exclusively fuck women, but that doesn't make them straight. See Ted Haggard as an example. You can't deny who you are. Homos gonna homo.
Being attracted to/excited by it isn't. Engaging in it, like all other things, is.
I'm against racism but also against multiculturalism and miscegenation as they destroy diversity. I do agree however that some cultures are inferior to others. (Compare ancient Greece and modern gangsta culture)
So just to get this right
Everything in this thread is going to be compiled into a single image and used for the good of earth to save us against the sjw zombies?
Oh /pol/ you old so and so.
If repubs get back in power you might be surprised this time, the libertarian right is the only growing part of their base. Although in a few centuries the santorum types will have out bred everyone except the mexicans
I actually see the instrumentality analogy very well too -- also look at this, all of humanities combined being is an attractice girl. This in line with feminism/sjwish and putting the female gender as superior.
The beta male is their supreme enemy because he is represents mans ability to think and improve himself and not be dictated and rule by nature and impulse.
> you just disagree with my pet issue because you lack empathy towards others
> I don't care about your issue, and anyone who does is just emotionally attached to it
I had the pleasure of having both thrown at me during the same conversation.
One of my biggest gripes about leftism is that it never actually proposes any solution.
Some "intellectual" will just rattle off a bullshit list of "problems" like institutionalized racism or white privilege and then CONCLUDE by saying: "something needs to be done about this."
Well....what?! What needs to be done?! It's pointless to criticize if you can't come up with a resolution that doesn't involve "hurr durrr eat duh rich, government is the answer to everything"
>tfw I can use this against white liberals
>tfw I'm free from white liberal criticism with this term
>"You can choose to follow your degenerate impulses or you can rise above your animal instincts and devote yourself to a life of celibacy."
You actually believe this?
So you, in your heart, are attracted to men, but you CHOOSE only to have sex with women?
Oh boy, do I have news for you.
>I've been hearing this word in the social sciences building at my school more and more often.
You should point out to them that, using the metric system, there are one million microaggressions to one actual aggression.
>If you think murdering infants is wrong, you must necessarily be in favor of stealing from people to pay for infants who would otherwise be murdered.
Oh this so hard. This is what kills me about liberals. Instead of REASONING with their opposition, when they try and just delegitimize him. I know the same thing happens to some degree with some conservative,s but liberals do this all the time.
And when you can force them to debate, you can't shake the feeling that they would rather lock you in an asylum or prison then debate your claims. Like its self-evident you're wrong, they're right, and there is no way you could possibly even have an argument, much less a true one.
Which I think is one of the biggest things that kills me in ANY debate. When you assume that people have no reasons, rather then just bad reasons, for their beliefs.
Don't engage their claims, blame their upbringing or culture! Don't try and get them to think about their ideas with the Socratic method, just mock them or say "they need help".
>And when you can force them to debate, you can't shake the feeling that they would rather lock you in an asylum or prison then debate your claims
It's the totalitarian mindset, which is all about control. That's why the only two types of people in politics are those who believe that people ought to be generally left alone to live their own lives as they see fit, provided they don't physically hurt anyone else, and those who see a just society as one in which the ruling elites are able to micromanage the lives of individuals to the smallest degree. The latter group, who make up most of those politically left of centre, are outraged at any threat to their presumed authority, which is why they normally lash out viciously at anyone who challenges their opinions.
Did Foucault start that word? I think he invented the "prolebmatization" method of inquiry, where we confront questions as problems...as in, why does the person want to ask the question.
That crypto-Kantian shill.
Well what's funny about it is that they used to hate the mainstream because it was againt them, and basically every non-conformist argument there is was invented by commie faggots revolting as the counter-culture against the fucking mainstream. It's crazy how quickly they want from "I don't care what society thinks of me!" to "Your beliefs don't fit in with modern society!"
>Kind of funny how liberals use their modern popularity to bully people around.
Pic related. Of course, with all the shit happening in Ferguson at the moment the Left has temporarily gone back to its "fight the power" stance (only a couple of months after praying for drone strikes on Cliven Bundy), but it won't last. Libs are just pissed off that the police force hasn't been sufficiently subverted to the extent that it will allow black people to get away with murder. Once that subversion fully comes to pass, questioning the authority of the police will mark you out as a right-wing extremist, just as questioning the authority of the federal government already does.
The "genocide of native americans" thing is what really boils my blood. Let's put down the alcoholic chocktaw stereotype here and get to the truth, that the Native Americans were fucking warriors. They were outgunned, outmanned, and out technologized from pretty much the get-go, and yet remained a constant and serious pain in the US govt's ass well into the late 19th century. Once they got their hands on military weaponry, they had some overwhelmingly glorious victories against the US military, even after the civil war.
The Native Americans were fucking warriors, and honorable fighters. The idea that they were just pussies that rolled over and took it like a bunch of bitches fucking disgusts me. It disgusts me on a level I can't put into words. My greatgreatgreatgrandaddy fought against them damned cherokees after the revolution, and them motherfuckers was brutal. By calling them pussies, you're callin' my greatgreatgreatgrandaddy Almanzon Huston, 1st Quartermaster General of the Texian Army, the grandson of an American Revolutionary Lt Col John Huston, a pussy. Fuck you, liberals, I have respect for the enemy.
That's because they believe in what even (generally left-wing) philosopher Bertrand Russell sarcastically called "the superior virtue of the oppressed". The Native Americans are no different from my own ancestors among the Irish and Scottish Highlanders: smaller, less organized peoples who were conquered and colonized by their larger neighbours, and whose descendants now make a great parade of their cultural superiority because they never had the chance to oppress anyone else (or if they did, it's been mostly overlooked by history).
I'll just leave this picture here...
>Wow, i'm not even going to read what you said because its just so full of unproven facts
>Why would I watch your video? I don't care what some homophobe has to say about it, they're wrong.
>I'm not going to argue with such an obvious racist / homophobe
I couldn't stop laughing when I heard this on the radio. You can just imagine the gang of PR ghouls who came up with this line.
"Let's make it sound old-timey small-town charming, they'll swallow it easier then!"
G'day, Ausfag! Have you ever seen the 1986 Ozzploitation film Dead End Drive-In and would you consider it an "Indoctrination" film based on the portrayal of the Asians as inquisitors?
My response? Racism is an ideology. If someone doesn't have power, but still thinks he's superior to you because of race, are they not racist? There are plenty of people without power who are very racist.
>worst liberal buzz phrase
Not exactly a phrase but a libtard speech pattern.. It's called uptalking? It when? You phrase? Everything you say? In the form a question?
You know it, you hate it. The libtard in full throat.
Uptalking sounds even worse when it is used by males. But then again, liberal males are the most effeminate kind of males, aren't they.
I always call them out on this. It's easy when you know some basic shit about scientific process.
They can't justify the use of an arithmetic formula in sociological context since power, privilege, prejudice etc. are not quantifiable properties, and thus the whole concept is so vague that it is impossible to prove or disprove it with empirical evidence. It's just epistemic nonsense that's slapped together in an effort to try to sound smart. Since the concept can't be disproven it is just a Russell's teapot and nothing more.
> b-but it's just an analogy/metaphor!
no it isn't.
>you can't understand since you have privilege etc.
You have no proof and I'm not going to accept this at face value. Have you considered the option that you might be wrong?
>I have often had people call the current Australian government an 'extremely authoritarian' and 'a ring wing dictatorship' unironically.
Please don't exaggerate, anon. Libshits aren't people.
>It's called uptalking
I remember listening to a report on the CBC news several years ago (for those who don't know: CBC is the tax-funded, left-wing, State propaganda outlet here in Canada) dealing with some trivial protest by agitators outside the Toronto Stock Exchange. A breathless cunt who'd been involved in the event was interviewed by a reporter and said something like "we came? to disrupt capitalism? and we've done that." To her credit, the final sentence wasn't in uptalk, but the rest of it was. Stupid cunt. And no, [SPOILER ALERT] she didn't actually manage to disrupt capitalism all on her own.