Reminder that in all seriousness the Liberal Progressive movement is nothing more than a passing cultural fad no different than the Hippie movement of the 1960's.
They are a minority
They are losing relevance which is why they've been stepping up their marketing game as of late.
They will cease to exist in the United States as a socially significant group and be exiled to California and Chicago to live with the aging, destitute hippies that tried the exact same thing 40 years ago.
Yeh, with the Rotherham thing blowing up in the British Left's face, Zimmerman getting off, and white America's general "meh" to the Ferguson chimpouts, I'm starting to think that the Left might run out of steam.
The problem is that they're now focused on bringing in groups of people who will outlive the fads.
It will only end in violence. Not every country is like America, capable of internalizing the violence & making it a national sport.
>and white America's general "meh" to the Ferguson chimpouts
It had the unintended effect of pushing many Americans into buying firearms. People paying for training classes has skyrocketed & shop owners are saying people are there because they're worried it could happen where they live.
Ferguson is literally arming white America with the intent to shoot niggers if it happens elsewhere.
I'm excited for the British and the coming UKIP takeover, I hope you start getting the freedoms you so desperately need.
>groups of people who will outlive the fads
If we're talking about Britain the Muslims will never agree to the terms of the progressive party, as we are currently seeing.
If we're talking about the United States then you need to know that most Hispanics are against Leftist policies because most of them have grown up in countries that follow them 100% of the time.
In both cases they are massive fuckups that further discredit their movement.
>liberalism is dead and now all that's left is Obama playing Weekend at Bernie's with its corpse
Feels bad, man. I don't even like liberalism but at least it used to mean something. American politics has gone down the toilet.
Maybe on the television, but in real life actual "liberals" are few and far between, their largest populations congregating in places of wealth and security such as D.C., Chicago, Southern Florida, and California.
modern liberalism isn't the same as old time liberalism, it just has the name
i don't get what u mean it used to mean something
this modern liberalism isn't even liberal, it should be called "liberal". It's just communism, honestly. It's govt control to make society better on the basis of economic equality
it's just a brand of socialism/communism/what have u
nothing like classical liberalism
>If we're talking about the United States then you need to know that most Hispanics are against Leftist policies because most of them have grown up in countries that follow them 100% of the time.
Hispanics are never going to not vote Democrat because of the welfare programs.
>Liberal Progressive movement is nothing more than a passing cultural fad
Nope. It has become the mainstream, it has become the establishment. Being a right wing conservative is now counter-culture, I shit you not and more and more young people embrace it.
The SJW movement is growing. They've just recently taken over video game journalism and corrupted that industry to the core, they passed the "yes means yes" all-men-are-rapists bill in California a few days ago, and they're attacking MRA conferences. It's going to get worse. We're losing and we need to take action, not wank about how it's not happening.
You mean those media institutions that have seen historically low viewer ratings for years now? Come now, don't be naive.
You are correct about their hold in government and in education (which leads back to government btw) but the funny thing with that is it's only a few people driving the momentum forward, if they get voted out or step down then that's it.
Californian here. (Don't worry, was born red pilled)
I'm sick of seeing these dumbass Californian liberals in their fucking Prius with their fucking Obama change stickers.
Also being forced to take multicultural courses in college in order to transfer to a state college. Classes like "African American literature" if I have to read a Frederick Douglass one more...
It's the same in ideology, the only difference is the economics.
>partial state control over a market economy is socialism
Christ, you're as bad as the paleoconservatives in congress who pretend to believe in a free market.
> The SJW movement is growing
From "culturally insignificant" to "minor annoyance"
> They've just recently taken over video game journalism.
and the world mourns for the millions of unlucky gamers that will mistakenly buy video games that have absolutely no impact on society or politics.
> " yes means yes" all-men-are-rapists bill in California.
That bill was rushed through and will be struck down by the Supreme Court as it places the burden of truth on the accused rather than the accuser which goes against every legal precedent in our legal system.
These are little things anon, very little things.
>They are losing relevance which is why they've been stepping up their marketing game as of late.
Every single Atheistic fedora who is obsessed with the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights (of which there are millions) would disagree with you. As much as I wish you were right, if you think the Human Rights-fetishist SJW demographic are dying out, all you need to do is visit Reddit.
Pretty much. In the 90's I was moderate left. Now I'm hard right, and I haven't changed my positions significantly. Liberalism is going to end with minorities turning violent against liberals.
The ideology is completely different. Classical liberalism favored personal freedom, and modern liberalism is authoritarian and statist.
>successfully passing bills against men are "little things"
>that's ok because maybe this one won't ruin you
So you just want to sit around as they pull the trigger until the gun goes off? I don't know if you're just lazy or one of them.
IT IS TIME
TIME FOR THE MAMMOTH TO RISE
RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE
AND LEAD THE RIGHT
TO A BRAND NEW DAY
it may not be a massive disaster that we can never come back from, but a major bill in California is politically important
You are a fucking retard. Progressives have been doing their thing for over 100 years.
If you mean SJWs, then yes, hopefully you're right. But to say that Progressives are just a passing cultural fad is probably one of the most retarded things I have ever read on /pol/, and that's saying something.
Learn US history.
> and will be struck down by the Supreme Court as it places the burden of truth on the accused rather than the accuser which goes against every legal precedent in our legal system
You're calling it a "little thing" when the largest state's legislature attempts to overturn a basic principle of our legal system. That's a pretty big deal.
You're implying that this problem isn't fixing itself.
In the coming weeks there will be a firestorm coming from thousands of men in California who have been unjustly accused of rape by shallow women who are out to make money.
This bill WILL be challenged and it WILL go to the Supreme Court and it WILL be struck down, most likely within this year or at the beginning of the next.
we can fucking hope
as though americans in 1920 thought abortion would ever be legalized
you just don't fucking know what insane changes will be enforced upon our lives
you just don't
more conservative not totally conservative.
this trend may indicate the shift of culture back to the right. The left will just be muh norutee bitching and stop having a moral aspect, more just a demanding aspect
the right will grow with white nationalism
It's no different than the Hobby Lobby case or the Obamacare Exchange; Leftist attempting to change a system that was designed to block the very ideals they champion.
This is a political stunt that will unfortunately harm people but will ultimately be struck down and only serve to further humiliate and silence its supporters.
>everything in your post
> telling 'me' to learn about US history
Yes, I told you to learn US history. Progressives a passing cultural fad? You do realize that being a progressive is not the same as being a social justice warrior, right? In fact, Teddy Roosevelt was opposed to what he called "hyphenated-Americans." That sentiment is the opposite of what you would expect from SJWs
Your beef is with SJWs, NOT progressives.
Dude, how many SJWs do you know that even call themselves progressives??
They usually do not. You guys are the ones who keep calling them that shit. You can't just redefine a word for yourselves and then attack the new definition. That's bullshit.
>firestorm coming from thousands of men in California who have been unjustly accused of rape
So it's already a big problem.
What happens if they manage to influence appointments to the court enough to prevent a bill like this from getting struck down? If they continue to have enough control over the legislature to push this stuff through, that becomes possible over time.
> ...its effect will be to codify vague and capricious rules governing student conduct, to shift the burden of proof to (usually male) students accused of sexual offenses, and to create a disturbing precedent for government regulation of consensual sex.
TL;DR The law is too vague and will allow women to take advantage of men. The government will now keep records of all the people you fuck and use it against you.
be aware that modern day term 'progressives' applies to SJW and pretty much no one else
I get it there is more to it
It's just like liberal doesn't mean John Lockean anymore like it did in yrs past.
The SJW movement is dying. Radical feminism is in its last throes. You are winning the war they waged on men. Stay put and don't do anything, everything is fine.
and I'm telling you to check your current events since the word "progressive" has lost any and all meaning as it has now become a blanket term for everything anti-establishment which includes the SJW movement and the liberal socialist movement.
Telling me to learn about history and then openly saying something that implies you don't think history changes does not put you in a good position to argue, just wanted you to know.
I am quite familiar with current events, bro. Maybe to YOU the term progressive has lost all meaning, but that is not the case in actual progressive circles with people who are actually politically active. I see it every fucking day. I know for a fact that you are living inside a bubble. YOU brush up on YOUR current events.
> I know for a fact that you are living inside a bubble.
everyone needs a friendly reminder once in a while.
Actually, conservative values are dwindling very rapidly. It seems that reality has a liberal bias (and sometimes not but it leans towards liberalism).
That's why you see the GOP losing ground with the youth. That is also why you see Libertarianism replacing the GOP, because it removes a lot of the irrelevant bits of the GOP and is less radical for younger people.
GOP are forced to change or die so they chose to change.
/pol/ is literally filled to the brim with strawman arguments and shameless misrepresentations of progressive ideology. I can't even view this board without coming across some moron living in his impenetrable conservative bubble who thinks he's got it all figured out, but in reality fails to comprehend the issues at their most basic level.
That is really frustrating.
They took over college campuses, they took over student journalism, they took over video game journalism, they've now changed that whole industry, they're passing laws in California governing colleges, what will be next and when will you care? They're a growing threat and you're either an idiot for ignoring it or are attempting to slide the forum.
As a further example, being against gay marriage is political suicide at this point so it's likely that the Right are going to be forced to support it. And who knows, may actually see the positives in it eventually (as they should).
Baby boomers are dying and the right are becoming less and less radical
you know it's true.
Yeah, this is true. It will die out, as it's all just fueled by "muh feels", and "muh feels" either change, stop being relevant, burn out, or some combination of those three. However the damage done to society will remain prevalent for generations to come.
Look at what the hippy movement did. The family unit is fucking gone now, and all traditional roles and values of western civilization are dead, and with the modern leftist movement continuing to push for the further destruction of western society's traditional values, our children are going to be even more fucked. And what's stopping ANOTHER fucking leftist movement like the "hippy movement" of the sixties, or the "progressive movement" of today from happening? I fear it will happen again, and again, and again, until there is nothing left but degeneracy running rampant in the streets.
We could sit back and let it die, or we could fight it and make it die faster, minimizing the damage, and potentially making it so there won't be anymore of these cancerous movement in the foreseeable future.
>actually conservative values are dwindling very rapidly.
> You see the GOP losing ground with the youth
The news articles in>>34981392 challenge those claims quite well.
Do not confuse conservatives with the GOP, those are two separate mindsets.
Exactly, it comes in waves. We need to stop the cycle.
it's the logical conclusion of the ideology, shitlord
pro-gay/"anti bigot", feminism, "anti racism" etc.
There's no cause of the far left SJW that doesn't appeal to the ideology, they just take it much much further
Keep deluding yourself, imbecile
The average liberal doesn't speak up, they just throw their vote in with the loudest voices. The loudest voices are the crazy shit on tumblr. We're seeing the formation of the liberal's tea party.
I'm a conservative.
I believe in limited government, the right to keep and bear arms, and cutting out our current bureaucratic taxation system.
I could not care less if someone is gay; it impacts my life by absolutely fuck all and they are free to do what they please so long as they don't force it on others.
I know that doesn't make me a conservative by its original definition but the core message of my ideology; that all men and women have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, still applies.
>Do not confuse conservatives with the GOP, those are two separate mindsets.
but the problem with our 2 party system is that there isnt a real conservative option other than the GOP. Their are fiscally conservative portions of the democrats (Blue Dog democrats come to mind) but i highly doubt you will see young people supporting the anti-gay anti-abortion and pro-ultra wealthy party when they have any alternative.
There is a huge difference between progressives and SJWs. SJWs are one-trick ponies. All they care about is their shitty identity politics. They are a cancer, and I want to be rid of them just as much as you do. That's the point you are missing.
>Implying /pol/ is not 90% right-wing echo chamber
It is, you know it is, and more importantly, you know damn well the information you find here only tells one side of the story.
I'm always surprised at how libshits think they can just show up on /pol/, say nothing intelligent whatsoever, lob a few insults, and think that they've actually accomplished something. Hint: labels are not arguments.
that's all the entire fucking basis for the democrat party is is shitty identity politics you deluded moron
wake up you idiot
Democrat party is based on the nonwhite, female and gay vote. That's why left always tries to drum up victim mentality.
Because you are correct, the baby-boomer GOP is dying out and we're seeing that some things from our previous generation are no longer culturally acceptable.
As you can see in my post>>34982369
Very well done sir.
I am more of a moderate. I take some from both sides because issues deserve individual looking into.
I believe in limiting the government when it comes to the NSA and having swat teams tear peoples doors down and whatnot.
>I know that doesn't make me a conservative by its original definition but the core message of my ideology; that all men and women have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, still applies.
but that does demonstrate my point that conservatism is waning a bit on certain issues, ie retooling.
thank you for not being a prick and stopping gay marriage (seriously)
>it's the logical conclusion of the ideology, shitlord
this would imply that their are only 2 options and each is extremist. Most people are moderates who lean in 1 direction or another and don't agree with the extremist positions.
The internet tends to favor extremists so i can see where you are getting the impression that that's the general position people have, but its really not anywhere that's not the internet
Um, no.. You are completely wrong. In fact, you couldn't possibly be any more wrong than you already are.
The identity politics is by and large a phenomenon which exists primarily on the internet and certain college campuses. The Democratic party itself is not in any way, shape or form driven by SJW issues.
>reality has a liberal bias
You people literally believe in an evil, invisible miasma pervading society called "racism" that causes poverty and terrorism, and has the power to make decent black people commit crimes. With that voodoo-tier level of superstition you're in no position to be lecturing anyone else about "reality".
marriage at all run by the state is stupid
the sjw mentality has no comeback from moderate liberals. They can't say jack shit against it because it's 100% in agreement with them unless you're talking about some of the really detailed crap like pronouns and blahblahblahland
If liberal progressivism is a fad, it's the longer fad in history. It's being around for 250 years, and it's always winning.
>not the political hub of victim identity politics USA
>You people literally believe in an evil, invisible miasma pervading society called "racism" that causes poverty and terrorism
This is a blatant misrepresentation of liberal thought.
What you are thinking of is the idea that poverty breeds crime. THAT is what we believe. Only SJWs believe racism breeds poverty and crime.
As I said, it has 0% affect on my life and you are free to pursue your own happiness as it was promised in our Declaration and Constitution.
Fight those who would try to take that pursuit away from you.
> We're seeing the formation of the liberal's tea party.
and just like the tea party they will be viewed as vaguely relateable but still crazies. They will garner some support, especially among the highly extreme/vocal, but the majority of the liberal population will see them as crazies
I never said take away their freedom of speech, I'm just saying we need to show regular people (meaning non-/pol/ack type people and people who aren't SJWs) how full of shit the left is. Vote for better politicians who won't listen to those morons, etc etc...
Well, I did say to a limit. Liberals strongly believe in the ideal of equality, but not everyone is equal only that they should be treated equally with dignity because we all die and are all human. To someone with an IQ of 200, people with 120 IQ are seen as children, does that mean 120IQ people don't deserve to be treated fairly?
And I agree, this ideal of wanting things to be equal is not what we see in reality. Blacks may very well be, on median average, inferior.
> The one liberal idiot in this thread that is proving OP's point without even knowing it
no it's not, you just don't want to confront how stupid and retarded your ideology is.
Just like anything politically bad gets the label of fascist rubberstamped on it by the modern left.
oh they never talk about 'muh norateez', blacks, gays, womens issues, etc? ever?
>being against gay marriage is political suicide at this point
Funny that a majority of voters in California opposed it though, isn't it? (At least before the courts decided they had voted the wrong way). Same-sex marriage affects such a tiny number of people that the prominence it is given by the Left almost certainly has some kind of ulterior motive behind it -- probably to use as a future weapon against the churches, who will be required to perform the ceremonies or face "discrimination" lawsuits.
>marriage at all run by the state is stupid
it seems like it may be a necessary evil. why do you feel that the state shouldn't be involved? what will ensure hospital visitation rights?
>Liberals strongly believe in the ideal of equality
Which has no place in reality, so the notion that "reality has a liberal bias" is made even more ridiculous.
why should it?
marriage is a man and woman uniting, it comes from a time of arranged marriages in fact.
You can re-define it but it's not the same thing.
Marriages should be private affairs, civil unions should be state run.
The state shouldn't be conducting religious-tier shit (even emotional secular shit). You're getting close to third reich tier shit that way
>oh they never talk about 'muh norateez', blacks, gays, womens issues, etc? ever?
That is not the accusation you made. Of course they mention those issues. They are one part of it just like all the other issues.
What you said is this:
>not the political hub of victim identity politics USA
And the answer is no, the party is not. That would be twitter and college campuses.
>What you are thinking of is the idea that poverty breeds crime
How does poverty "breed" rape, for example? Almost none of the crime committed in the US is driven by actual need or deprivation of any kind.
>As I said, it has 0% affect on my life and you are free to pursue your own happiness as it was promised in our Declaration and Constitution.
>Fight those who would try to take that pursuit away from you.
What's even more funny is knowing that there is an unstoppable push to legalize it everywhere, of course baby boomers and fundies are fighting it.
it's unconstitutional to ban gay marriage.
and 9 million gays isn't a "tiny number"
Don't be so paranoid. No one cares about your churches. Actually, by you actively preventing gay marriage makes you guilty of the exact same thing you claim we are doing to you.
"Liberals" will be the right-wing of the United States politics in 20 years, with the left being taken by populist-socialist like Hugo Chavez.
Prepare your anus, the pendulum only swings left.
>it's unconstitutional to ban gay marriage.
I honestly doubt the framers of the Constitution wrote that document with the intention that two guys could marry each other 200 years later.
>and 9 million gays isn't a "tiny number"
It's a tiny fraction of the total population, despite their apparent conviction that the world revolves around them and their needs.
> I'm just saying we need to show regular people (meaning non-/pol/ack type people and people who aren't SJWs) how full of shit the left is.
That's been happening for years man, even the blacks are starting to break away.
here's the best proof I can offer, I almost guarantee it will give you goosebumps.
lmao how retarded are you, seriously? Read what I wrote again before your head explodes from impotent nerd rage. You said quite clearly that the Democratic party is the POLITICAL HUB of identity/victim politics. That is blatantly false. Those issues are championed by the radicals on the internet and certain college campuses, most of which AREN'T EVEN POLITICALLY ACTIVE BEYOND THEM.
the president of the USA said 'if i had a son he would look like trayvon' for fucks sake
identity politics usa
fuck you you're part of the problem
> Those comments
That is just heartbreaking, but it proves his point.
>I honestly doubt the framers of the Constitution wrote that document with the intention that two guys could marry each other 200 years later.
No, but the 4th amendment claims that we will one day discover rights that we haven't yet protected and needs protecting.
>It's a tiny fraction of the total population, despite their apparent conviction that the world revolves around them and their needs.
It's still significant portion of the population. And all gays are asking is to be able to have a different ratio of gender in a relationship. The ones that believe the world revolves around them are fundie Christians. No one is trying to take you down
Now you're talking about political posturing, which is a completely different ballgame.
When Biden made his chains remark, first off it was obviously a joke. Secondly it was hyperbole meant to stir up a certain demographic. He did not actually believe what he said, and he wouldn't do his job based on those comments alone. That is a far cry from what the SJWs do.
As for the Obama comments, he probably should not have made those. But it is what it is.
>o, but the 4th amendment claims that we will one day discover rights
The 4th Amendment is concerned with illegal search and seizure. What's the relevance? At any rate, what you're actually doing is taking a desire and trying to turn it into a "right" by falsely claiming it's in the Constitution.
As far as I'm concerned the solution to this ludicrously overblown issue is simple: gays can claim to be married if they like, but nobody -- whether a private citizen or an employee of the government -- is forced to recognize it.
Thanks for this post based anon. In my heart I know this is true but its good to hear it sometimes.
Its important to keep pushing back though because once a law is passed or a paradigm has shifted its damn hard to get it changed. We may be dealing with leftist media and video games long after the shift happens.
You're right, that gave me goosebumps.
But I am torn off about those comments
> First comment saying " go get your Good Negro treat from the white man"
YOU'RE PROVING HIS POINT YOU FUCKING TARD
No, the only sure way is to create movements in a different direction which build bandwagons for sheep to follow. The left keeps getting more radical because it has large organized political groups. A lot of mainstream people want to fit in somewhere and be part of a group. After joining they try to show off how they're loyal followers in an attempt to make themselves look good.
It doesn't matter what the group is or what it believes. As long as the sheep can feel like they're part of the biggest team, they'll join. Create an appropriate right-oriented bandwagon, and there will be waves and cycles pushing society in that direction.
The main reason this failed to happen before is the right was previously dominated by moralizing mothers saying "no fun allowed." A lot of young people in the 80s and 90s ended up hating the right over concerned mothers trying to stop them from having fun. Today, feminists have taken over that role of women trying to ban fun. That creates an opportunity for the right to use individual freedom as the fuel for building a bandwagon.
>Now you're talking about political posturing
Almost all Left politics is based on posturing. The whole thing is largely a status display: "we are more enlightened than you are, so we deserve to have power over your life". SJWs and Democratic politicians are engaged in more or less the same thing, only the latter are more dangerous because they wield vastly more power.
>At any rate, what you're actually doing is taking a desire and trying to turn it into a "right"
It's as much a desire and an equal desire of that of heterosexuals. Since they are equal, it is a right. A right that does not hurt your rights whatsoever.
Obviously the constitution understood that times change and that we will one day protect rights we yet understood. That's why we now allow women to vote and ended slavery.
> whether a private citizen or an employee of the government -- is forced to recognize it.
That's no solution. You only prevent it out of petty spite work. And what if a Christian church are fine with it, who are you to prevent these Christians from expressing their religion?
>the right was previously dominated by moralizing mothers saying "no fun allowed."
No, they were saying "you can't eat candy every day or you'll get sick and malnourished". Naturally some children are going to resent that. If you're thinking about sex, just look at the widespread chaos that's been caused by the breakdown of the family.
As long as the point is being proven, then good will come out of it.
I want to remind you that MOST black people in America think that way but they are scared of speaking out, this man and others like him being the exception.
See this is the problem with you guys. You take something and draw all sorts of outrageous conclusions from it. The Democratic party doesn't base everything they do off of a single issue. SJWs do.
>That's no solution. You only prevent it out of petty spite work.
I disagree with you, so I must be evil, right? You sound like an adolescent girl.
>And what if a Christian church are fine with it, who are you to prevent these Christians from expressing their religion?
Who said I would? There are already churches who think same-sex marriage is fine. Nobody is forced to attend them (and judging by their dwindling congregations, nobody wants to attend them either).
no the dem party bases on several issues, all of which are identitarian politics
MUH PATRIACHY/MUH SOJUNNY
MUH WAGES (the classical original)
>I disagree with you, so I must be evil, right? You sound like an adolescent girl.
Ignorant, misguided, yes. Evil, no.
>Nobody is forced to attend them
And at the same time those that wed same sex couples aren't being prevented from giving out marriage certificates.
>it's indicative of a whole rightwing subculture based on victimhood:
>Us Christians are so persecuted!
>Our Christian values are under attack!
>Mexicans are taking ur jobs!
>Obama is attacking your small businesses!
on and on
>and identity politics:
>You take something and draw all sorts of outrageous conclusions from it.
Is it really so outrageous to accept that the people who run our society are not for the most part benevolent and generous, but are merely pretending to be so in order to accrue wealth and power? I think it's dangerously naive of you to believe otherwise, to be honest.
facts don't phase you, I'll give you that much you brave bastard
ONWARD, LOGIC BE DAMNED
> "acting like Curious George on redbull"
but that's not how the fucking majority of the right nor the actual establishment right works you fucking imbecile
the established democrat left is that way though for other groups. Republicans are desperate and every conservative radio show is 24/7 sucking multiracial dick to prove they're not evil. Left can't stop its DAS RAYCISS mantra.
Good mantra, good play.
god you're dense
oh yea. that's why the fucking white nationalist groups hate the republicans
you'd know if they were our allies.
>it was designed to be adapted
yeah, thats why they made it so easy to change, 2/3 supermajority in both houses and ratified by 3/4 of states. You liberal will bend logic until it screams just to get your gay marriage.
I'm a libertarian, I could care less about gay marriage or even marriage for that matter. The government should not even be in the business of defining and regulating marriage, marriage should be the province of the church, if your church allows gay marriage great, if not, find one that will. There, fixed, the bible thumpers can have their sacred marriage and the gays can have theirs. This idea that everyone must agree on what everyone else does and that government is the arbiter of who gets what has to be dispensed with and we need to move on to important issues.
>Yea, just like interracial marriage.
You do know that interracial marriage wasn't illegal simply because past generations were evil, right? There was sound reasoning behind it, which we have abandoned -- in particular, the effect it has on the children of such marriages. Look at how fucked up Elliot Rodger was, or how Obama has spent his life distancing himself from his white upbringing and pining for his drunken deadbeat father from Kenya.
>No one is forcing churches to marry gays
Fuck off, they were trying to outright ban everything from porn to dungeons and dragons. Candy was never an issue, and by using that as a nonsensical analogy, you are trying to equate censorship with nutrition.
Are you claiming censorship is healthy and necessary? Are you claiming the breakdown of the family was caused by porn instead of divorce becoming a cash grab?
This is the issue here.
What happened to what I was talking before about pursuing your own happiness?
As long as it doesn't tread on the rights of others then go for it. If you're gay then be gay, if you believe in traditional marriage then go find a woman you love and spend your life with her.
The problem is both of you are posturing your egos instead of listening to each other's arguments.
Separation of church and state.
Just know it will eventually happen. Cry about it.
what the fuck?
well i believe religious people shouldn't have to marry people within their church if they don't want
I HATE LOVE
I HATE LIFE
I HATE SCIENCE
kek you actually used liking science as a bad thing, very telling
>Fuck off, they were trying to outright ban everything from porn to dungeons and dragons
Banning D&D (and things like Harry Potter, etc.) has never been a mainstream preoccupation of conservatives, or of Christians outside perhaps a few fundamentalist areas in the US. You may have a point about porn, but consider this: healthy societies have traditionally promoted the growth of families and discouraged or banned things that prevent the growth of families. Are we really better off for living in such a hypersexualized world today? I know of women whose husbands watch so much porn they can't get it up in the bedroom; needless to say, they aren't having kids either. I know that men naturally like to look at images of attractive women, so a certain amount of erotica will exist anywhere, and I'm not proposing to ban something that people will just obtain illegally anyway. What we need to get away from is the idea that just because something is legal it must be desirable or healthy.
And no, I'm blaming the ultimate decline of the family on porn. Porn is merely a symptom of the decline. Feminism dealt the heaviest blow to the family of all.
Wow this is a long thread.
Also a friendly reminder that as more and more labor gets substituted for with foreign workers & machines, people will begin voting in larger numbers for Liberal Progessives on the promise of receiving through expanded Social Programs the wealth/capital that they once gained from wages.
Also the classical criticism of higher taxation will fall on deaf ears as most people will be too poor to ever be negatively impacted on the NET to care. Can't get blood from a stone after all.
>The fact that one forum site on the Internet (which is mainstream to the point where the entertainment industry do AMAs there on a regular basis) has become a bastion for leftists must mean they are winning irl.
Fixed. Also, tumblr and the assimilation of the gaming media.
>but that's the opposite of what's happening, what was considered liberal 5 years ago is the norm now
Maybe in heavily liberal areas. Unions used to be THE THING in the 50's and now they are losing members every year. Gun control is dead in the water when 20 years ago it was on its way up. The Left's big victories are gay marriage (which was undoubtedly a good thing) and Obamacare (do I even need to say it). So, they accomplished about nothing.
darn tootin, and the market is just starting to stabilize after sandy vag and aurora.
it doesn't help there are so many ammo hoarders though.
my local shop, the one i goto, is a S&W armorer certified store. the M&P series (all the various M&P lines) sell like crack.
>but in real life actual "liberals" are few and far between
thank you for pointing out that modern "liberalism" isn't liberalism. it's totalitarianism which is not even close. liberalism would allow someone to buy any gun they wanted while wearing a hitler didn't do nuffin shirt and telling a gay couple your bakery doesn't have to make them a wedding cake.
>people still hate you fucks
Less and less every day. More and more hate you guys.
I kind of feel bad though because there is a good statistical chance that you are actually a homosexual in the closet. I feel bad because self-hatred and waste of life is not good for anyone.
>implying muslims will win
>implying they wont reform
us guys aren't a thing
I'm just a normal person
and yea.. 99% of people tolerate you because you're presented as cute and harmless.
You're not liked by any wide cross-section, you're only tolerated out of pity. Sorry to be so blunt
I find it amusing how /pol/ conservatives call US totalitarian while simultaneously singing the praises of radical islam because gay marriage is being legalized and they want Islam to put a stop to it
Makes it clear that they are more about hate than they are principle.
most of us pol rightists hate islam
the pro-isis shit is kind of a joke, in most cases at least
there may be a few who mean it.
Fuck you're dense
The only reason you guys are still a part of society is because of religion and the baby boomer generation. Once the baby boomers are dead, no one will give a shit any more.
When you are an old man in a nursing home, yelling at your gay nurses as they clean your urine burns, just know that you brought it on yourself. Sorry for being so blunt.
That doesn't really happens.
The thing about gay marriage is that it was just a easy tactics by communists to recruit gay people for their cause. They used the permissive undercurrent of modern liberal culture to create a non-existing concept (gay marriage), make it real and push it to use as a rallying flag for their political cause and enlist the support of gays for revolutionary ideals. It was very succesful in this regard, but now that they won they will just move to another thing. Gay people won't marry because the reason they are gay is that they are extremely promiscuous and degenerate, enslaved to their primitive instincts and base desires, so they won't really want to compromise themselves to another person by getting married (not even straight people want that shit).
As usual, you lack the good sense to understand that it's not a matter of accepting either Islam or left-wing degeneracy. There is a golden mean between repression and libertinism that Western societies generally had managed to live by prior to the 1960s. The alternative to the burka is not public nudity.
btw i was kidding i barely give a fucking shit about gay marriage.
WTF are you even talking about. There wil;l be people who hate gays and think they're disgusting pieces of trash for generations, especially with massive nonwhite migration.
You're deluded lols
/pol/ is funny.
I don't know why but some people decided to make feelface and frog jihad memes and praise ISIS for being against jews
I just instinctively understood it was comedic. What's your excuse?
The reason people tolerate gay people is that they don't actually know how gay people actually are. They are feed with propaganda that portray them as normal, instead of the degenerate sex addicts they are in reality. It's not even homophobia. No one would like straight people who went to meth fueled bareback orgies either.
The two party system is panem et circenses for the masses, a distraction, a show to provide the illusion you have a choice. Look at the pic and see how truly far apart Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are ideologically.
We have one party, one party that supports the erosion of civil liberties, mass surveillance state, mass immigration, perpetual war, crippling taxation on the middle class, legalized bribery via lobbying. Although they appear right wing on economic issues its really more of a corporatist policy than capitalism, as a middle class person i pay over 50 percent in taxes between federal, state, social security, medicare, property, and sales tax. I make 90k and get to keep 55k, then i get to pay property tax out of that and pay 8% sales tax on evrrything i buy, whereas wealthy people have tax shelters and accountants that exploit the byzantine tax laws but they start out around 25% capital gains tax and go down from there. Warren Buffet made billions and paid 17% tax overall, all i want is the same 17% tax rate that a billionaire gets.
Then both parties are socially authoritarian, notice how no world leader is in the purple square, the freedom square. Because government is by its very nature a machine designed to oppress, without insane amounts of laws there is no way for them to control the lives of anyone who stands in their way or does something they don't like. You can't oppress and subjugate a population without an immense corpus of petty laws. What we need is to either hit the reset button or get folks in there that will rollback this insanity.
>WTF are you even talking about. There wil;l be people who hate gays and think they're disgusting pieces of trash for generations, especially with massive nonwhite migration.
Nah, hatred towards gays is taught. Kids don't give a shit. They only care when they watch their parents reactions and pantomime their parents. In a household where they are accepting, this doesn't happen. They couldn't care less.
Says the commie who judges people according to their political ideologies/adherence to the revolutionary project.
That's the point. They don't want to be in "committed marriages". They want a political cause to rally support and get a easy victory. The moment they get gay marriage, they will get back to their bareback orgies.
>The two party system is panem et circenses for the masses
This is true, and most "right-wing" people here on /pol/ understand this. I don't know why Democrat shills show up here insulting the GOP as if most of us gave a fuck -- I suppose they think that because they're mindlessly partisan, everyone else must be too. Both R and D are determined to drive the US off a steep cliff, and the only difference between them is the speed at which they're travelling.
People are taught to reject indecent, unclean people like crack cocaine addicts and gays.
> I don't know why Democrat shills show up here insulting the GOP as if most of us gave a fuck
hahahah i know right
fuck the left is so dumb.
it almost makes me laugh but at the same time i cry
this is really nasty even for my taste, and Im an asshole.
Sorry, faggot who has to see this
Actually, the reason people don't hate gays anymore is ignorance of their true behavior.
>"we must teach children to be tolerant"
Gee, i wonder who is behind that.
i don't even hate jews but come on
but why? people who hate niggers aren't secretly black
>but why? people who hate niggers aren't secretly black
Because evidence shows that people with negative views of homosexuality score highest in sexual response to same sex pornography.
Evidence shows that such studies are mostly bullshit propaganda by insincere ideologues.
>I suppose they think that because they're mindlessly partisan, everyone else must be too
Most people are mindlessly partisan. Others realize one party or the other has the better chance of advancing their values/goals and then they act partisan in the hope of helping them win
>the left is so dumb.
lol. Whatever make you comfortable
It gets better. You don't need to be afraid.
So you admit that you do care very much, enough to hate yourself
Exactly, most of us at /pol aren't GOP, the only way i'd pull the lever for GOP is when Ron Paul was running, other that its 3rd party for me.
Aside from a handful of edgy teens who think swastikas are swell, just like kids stretching their ears and getting face tattoos to piss off their parents, they're either trolling or just edgy teens who'll grow out of it.
Most on /pol could care less what anyone does in their bedroom or who they marry, its a distraction issue, an inconsequential wedge issue to keep you occupied while they pick your pockets. But most morons can't comprehend that and just think R / D. Omg you're economic right so you're R and are against gay marriage. No, not quite junior.
The biggest thing these R/D are afraid if is not each other but rather a new choice that represents real change. If only the masses could realize that they can get everything they want if they stop trying to regulate everyone elses life.
once you go right, you can see the world so much more clearly.
The deck is really stacked against the right and you fucks have so little ability to even comprehend our real worldview that you come to white nationalist sites calling us GOP and talking all kinds of bullshit.
you're such lunatic morons led along by a propaganda machine.
You're like a good nazi under hitler's germany
nah it's cuz i was abused as a kid and had major issues. It's not self hate.
If i want to kill myself, that's bad too. I have wanted that too. Idiot
>Most people are mindlessly partisan
Possibly in society at large, but not necessarily on this board, which is a good thing. Traditional conservatives are very unhappy at the path the pro-globalist/pro-multicult GOP has chosen to take over the past few decades.
they act like rush limbaugh and alex jones are both somehow peddling neo nazism which is absolutely insane
the left cannot seem to differentiate rightwing ideologies. They just see a big blob of 'STUFF I HATES N' SHIT' = hick accent, not black accent intended
>you're such lunatic morons led along by a propaganda machine.
The average person is dumb or does not have time to study the issues in depth. The leadership of "the Left" is not stupid.
>the left cannot seem to differentiate rightwing ideologies.
"The left" has different ideologies too.
>"The left" has different ideologies too
To a degree, but people on the left are much more rigorous about policing unorthodox opinions in their own ranks, which tends to enforce a certain uniformity. There are people on the left who oppose abortion or find transvestites repellent, but they are generally made to keep quiet about it.
It's not a passing fad, it's a new religion. It was an easy transition for them from you're born a sinner christianity scam to "white guilt" everything evil done in the world has been done by Whites, as told by jews.
I think the problems with hypersexualization are the result of a system that rewards bad behavior. Feminism is indeed very guilty there. If we're to get away from the idea that irresponsibility and reckless hedonism are OK, it'll take tangible incentives to behave better. With "no fun allowed" I'm thinking of approaches based on the assumption that hear no evil/see no evil leads to do no evil.
Instead, I want people to be fully aware of the possibilities and faced with a reality where there's tangible incentives to behave well. For example, if a mother stays home to raise the kids, that should be seen as a valuable profession rather than a form of unemployment, and divorce should be made universally unprofitable for everyone involved compared to staying married. Unfortunately, the feminist vision of "success" for women has been being a selfish cunt and having the government make someone else pay for it. Consequently, being responsible turned into being a sucker from a man's point of view, since the law became stacked against the responsible guy.
mental illness is much more severe among the poor. mental health facilities and treatment if you are poor is a massive fucking joke, with group therapy once a month at best, or a 5 minute social worker meeting once every 3 months more along the average.
you have to fight to get any real help, and most people that need it think they are flat fucking normal.
Poverty in America is next to a non-issue. Nowadays "poverty" means you don't have the latest iphone or a 60" TV. Practically everyone has food, water, housing, etc. "Poverty" is just an outdated buzzword that liberals use to try to make tax hikes acceptable.
I think it's a great thing.
The recent events in Ferguson and last year's Zimmy trial have been pretty good indications that SJW liberal bullshit in the USA is being fought against. A nigger family gets 100k after their scumbag kid charges a cop and a whole town of urboons demolish at least 1 business out of hatred for whitey.
>he called all those chimps in Ferguson niggers, what a racist asshole
I love the whole 'das racist' argument, a trademark ad homenim of liberal shilling. So saying a 6 letter word entails that I hate all blacks? Even if it does, is saying a 6 letter word equal to beating someone in a Carolina field 200 years ago?
This 'progressive' shit is honest hate speech to fight the 'hate speech' that lost it's meaning 50 years ago. It's a cultural false flag against the groups of people that forge and maintain the nation. It's bringing noble people down to their level, instead of helping their own inherently miserable members.
Makes me feel terrible for the people who have a legitimately alternative lifestyle, just trying to pursue happiness. I just hope that in the future historians will debate about whether this movement was a fight against whites or just personal appearance in general.
>Kids don't give a shit.
That's what makes them such easy victims, right? Or are you somehow not aware of how homosexuals 'breed'?
>hint: they reproduce by diddling kids and other sexually impressionable people
Here come the heated denials, accusations of hatred, bigotry, and outright lies. Come at me, fag. I know the truth. I'm spilling it wide open for all to see, right here on a shitty internet website made for nerds and losers.
ironically, knew several hispanics very closely. All of them were fairly conservative. They were here on work program visas and educational visas and the like, working through the red tape to get their citizenship. They deserved it as productive members of society.
>mfw the red tape is what is fucking america. The illegals get to stay, the legits have to jump through hoop after hoop.
ps. they were straight conservative. not neocon. i mean traditional conservative. In the midwest, i've known so many traditional conservative hispanic families its ridiculous. ironic thing is, none of them can citizenship very quickly
Adding to this; The Hippies helped dislodge sane controls on the media during Vietnam. The Neolibs accepted the social changes the unwashed liberals wanted in exchange for making the economy the way they wanted because people stopped caring about the economy after niggers could vote. Even worse, the common man gets the worst outcome, the hippie's wet dream of a society coupled with corporate/government/fed control of the money.
I'm taking a college sociology class (yea, I know, but I'm forced to for "general education" requirements to get my engineering degree) and all that has been taught is how whitey has all the white privilege and is holding down everyone else. How a white person should feel ashamed for being white. How everyones problem is caused by whitey.
Can't wait to get out of this liberal garbage shit hole.
Well... Maybe? I mean, hippies were the majority "THING" in their era and just look at em now. And the far-right are really making steam in Europe.
>/pol/ is literally filled to the brim with strawman arguments and shameless misrepresentations
Duh! how do you think we weed out the weak minded. And you can add every ideology to that, you type up a shitpost, we treat you like a shitpost.
Pic related. The only way to deal with that kind a jewish debating tactic. Not calling the poster a jew, just pointing out who developed and perfected the pilpul tactic.
Yeah punishing people for being LGBT sure is a productive activity.
New conservatives will realize how fucktarded that line of thought is. Pandora's box is open. Sorry, your goatherding God's morals are outdated.