What does /pol/ think about the field of psychology?
I was actually thinking about studying psychology. Is it as bad as people say here?
Neuroscience is based on a biological approach to psychology rather than observation of behavior. That can only get you so far.
I do not own a fedora.
You caught me.
It's bullshit, because it often relies on surveys and self-reports. People don't really understand themselves, so why is everything they say taken at face value? Just because someone says something on a survey, that doesn't mean it's true and that we should believe it.
Science based on self-reports = not very convincing.
>In 2010, Fanelli surveyed the publication bias across a range of disciplines, and found that psychology and psychiatry had the greatest tendency to publish positive results
They just publish whatever their opinions are as "scientific fact" and fudge the data to make it seem true.
Thank you for providing my family with food for the rest of the week.
Blame the APA, not the field of psychology
APA is run by the government and therefore jews. Each new edition of the DSM is becoming more profit driven.
Evolutionary psychology is ok I guess, I do have some respect for Jung, after all he went to work with an entire populous, not just the crazy burgouise.
I've found that evolutionary psychology and attachment theory pretty much solves the puzzle of the human condition, all the other disciplines just seem to circle jerk around the problem solving nothing and wasting loads of cash.
Problem with attachment theory is that it lays all the responsebility on the parents and their narcisistic ways which most people can't handle, so they use plebe psychology like cogntive behavior therapy and meds.
Objectivity is hard to find and exceptions are always possible. A lot of people who practice psychology aren't qualified enough to make judgements. If you want to know your own psychology, you should get as much opinions as you can. I can say easily half of the psychologists I had were inexperienced yet arrogant. Never take the opinion of a single individual too seriously and always think critically. Sadly a lot of people are easily manipulated to think someone's an expert when he uses a few fancy words.
Cognitive therapy isn't pleb-tier.
While from a 3rd party point, "All you have to do is believe" sounds completely borkened, but if the individual in therapy is helped, that's all that matters. Depression for example can be a product of society induced feelings and beliefs about oneself. Via cognitive behavioral therapy we can change this belief and rid them of depression.
>Never take the opinion of a single individual too seriously and always think critically.
Agreed, though that could be said for vast amount of medical doctors and all car salesmen.
Psychology is being used against you every day everywhere. Hurrr soft science!!! They are still using it to influence you and its working.
Its making progress just like any other field and its getting there. They have found for example that personality traits relate to certain parts of the brain and they can tell by brain scans weather you are liberal or conservative and a host of other things. Biology matters in how your personality forms and they are mapping that out with hard science.
You are forced to deal with the subjective world view a person has. What this means is that subjective world views does in fact matter, and some times it matters more then actual matter. The world of ideas and meanings are very real and a integral part of being a human and you can't escape that fact. I don't think people like that as its ambiguous and hard to pin that down in to specific hard science.
If you are thinking about getting in to psychology as a career then you have to watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYhAz9k008Q
(Peterson is red pill as fuck and if you are philosophically inclined and curious about the human condition, watch his fucking lectures. Pure gold. )
this is one of many issues in the study of psychology. another problem is that these reports have no true 0 scale. All scales are set by another human not by another means (like temp.) and many of these disorder's criteria change based on the society at the time and what is considered abnormal. Psychology has to change with each cohort because each one effects (or is it affects?) each generation as they mature with the change of technology and etc. Observational studies are much better than self reports and even though the court system uses witness testimonies they are often not exactly true and only a shade of the truth of what occurred.
>Knowing how to manipulate people does not make you better that people who are easily manipulated
>implying you can manipulate me psychologically
I am immune to your jew magic.
Oh, and those threads where I shitposted my IQ.
Those were all sarcastic replies.
If you couldn't tell.
>He thinks quantitative surveys ask the question they're trying to answer directly
The only time a quantitative study involves direct questions about the subject is when it's a study of how many people answer Yes to a Yes/No question.
It's usually approached in such a way as to make the person taking the survey answer the real question without knowing it, by answering a bunch of related questions.
But /pol/ doesn't into quantitative studies, of course, because they're too busy circlejerking about MUH STEM
any intelligent human being should be able to piece together the human psyche using basic pattern recognition and social skills. If you have to take psychology to understand people around you, congratulations, you're an idiot.
Only reason to take it is to have the piece of paper if you want to force your opinions down peoples throats, or genuinely help people for money, but thats rare.
You didn't get what he meant, he meant that if you are already 100% sure about something, you have 0 chance of learning something that goes away from what you "know".
But if you think that you don't know anything and then learn from there and combine all the evidence in the end, you will learn much better.
>Hates people who think they are superior to others.
>Thinks he is superior to others.
If you'd been a girl, you'd probably be a feminist
It depends on the psychologist. If good it will help women and lazy minded dudes to see the obvious about their lives and keep moving, if bad its just a faggot kike.
It's necessary in a society just as most as neurology, which studies mental disorders and issues trough the brain and his reactions. Psychology deals with the ego.
I work in a Child and Adolescent Mental Health Team in the UK. Obviously we have a stack of psychologist, and a couple of psychiatrists, family therapists and so on.
My impression is that while basic rigour in research is a real problem there's plenty of evidence that what is going on is actually helping people.
>Hates people who think they are superior to others
When did I say I hate them? I only hate idiots who think they are superior to others. Real master race individuals with superior intellect, I deeply respect.
>Thinks he is superior to others
I think certain races have characteristics of intelligence which surpass other races. Also, when did I ever say I thought I was superior to others? NEVER. Fucking idiot.
I'm mentally superior to the average population but I'm aware that my physical attributes fall below the mean.
Stop pulling shit out of your ass. Dickhead.
I have clinical depression and no matter what I do if i don't have medication I can't enjoy anything. I literally feel nothing, nothing at all, just empty, incapable of concentrating, and tired.
And before you say its just my habits, when this started my life was pretty much perfect, ie. engaged in school, work, had a great girlfriend, exercised all the time, etc. It just came out of nowhere and completely fucked me, became incapable of enjoying anything, or even really feeling anything at all. It gets extremely hard to continue going through the motions when there is literally no emotional connection to anything.
Psychology is over-run by SJWs.
Sure, there's a science too it. But there's still too much of Psychology that is about "muh priviledge". Also, not enough of what is being taught in psychology is about genetics.
Source: my friend/roommate
What do you mean, once I became depressed? Not really, I read some philosophy but I had already had my 'existential' phase before this happened, and decided like most people that you just have to kind of wing it, try to find meaningful things even if there's no absolute rules about life
>What does /pol/ think about the field of psychology?
That it is simply a tool, like a hammer.
It can be used to build or destroy a mind. Or destroy and rebuild.
It is neither evil nor good.
It simply is a field of study. Like math.
Healthcare professional here. A lot of my peers, from SJWs to reformed Baptists, absolutely cheesed through the Psychology and Psychiatry course. The latter claimed that it was because it contradicted their world view, the only mental disorder is sin, etc.
Now while I'm not a completely pure and innocent person, I don't think sin completely sums up the most vicious of my anxiety attacks. Hell, my teenage years when I was part of the mental health system feel like a blur in hindsight; I feel like I was more or less a zombie then. Psychology seems to give possible suggestions, but the way I see it, we still don't really understand the human mind, and because of that I find psychiatry and medicating overall ineffective.
Then again docile zombies are what big pharma wants.
I can't find it anymore either, but the tl;dr is that he equated it to emotional hibernation, protecting yourself from the outside world when it's too overwhelming by basically going "Fuck it, I'm out for now".
>Still not realizing he's a hypocrite.
I would have to be an idiot to be a hypocrite.
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It's not the knowledge of the psychologists that's most important, it's that of the patients. Patients need to think honestly about themselves and study and think, sometimes for years, sometimes for the rest of their lives.
Its not a real medical discipline. Diagnoses and objective results are difficult to obtain with means by which they are tested with. Pyschology which uses empirical data tends to levy the most results, which is not in fact the majority of pyschological methods of testing.
Yupp you score 3/3, bet you're also religious.
Good thing you at least called yourself a idiot, so I won't have to..
You are trolling, right?
You must be really buttmad to have to resort to posting dictionary definitions onto an online imageboard for a stranger.
Did I rustle your jimmies?
Same here, but it can become a problem if the person clings onto it for long enough that it hinders their ability to move on/grow/function in daily life, which oftentimes is labeled a "disease".
Feminists here are asking to not be called whore and slut, or asked to suck dick by mudslimes. They hardly identify themselves as feminists and woman are harrassed a lot more by these people. Never heard no patriarchy shit from any girls here.
The field of psychology deliberately omits the primary importance of racism and xenophobia, because it's been controlled by Germans from the start, and Germans are the most obsessively racist people on all the planet earth.
Dude thanks a lot for all the keks, I'm out, I'd almost feel bad for you, but sympathy is for the weak.
What is the primary importance then? I'd say that it's evolutionary beneficial to be racist because stereotypes have a basis in reality and it's statistically better to trust one of your own.
My Uni added psychology to the school of math and sciences and thy were 90 percent women at graduation and took up 50 percent of the school "the same as all other stem majors combined"
Qualitatively we are discussing two different fields though.
Because of neuroscience, we can determine a hypothesis via an experiment. By having a biological approach to the question you reduce the possibilities of what the answer can be with an approach that can be falsified through experimentation. Thus, in using neuroscience to support your claims, you can correlate or associate mental behavior with physiological effects.
Learning about other peoples behavior is only useful for getting a piece of paper?
You will will never have a proper place in this world.
Psych Degree here. You want a job, you need a masters and a specialization. I don't think i'll ever have that kind of cash.
Stay away from anything involving Psychoanalysis or Psychodynamics, it's total bullshit. Jung might have some value in the Humanities, but that's about it.
Evolutionary Psychology is mental masturbation, and shit tier compared with Bio/Neuropsychology. The "Just so stories" charge is true.
The problem with Bio/Neuro stuff is that application is limited. There's great potential, but there's a reason we don't use brain surgery to treat mental problems directly. Because it's dangerous as all hell. Someday Bio/Neuro could be the way to resolve many mental issues, but that's a ways off.
Cognitive Modeling and Behaviorism work well together, but are incomplete without each other. Pure Behaviorism assumes human beings are empty vessels and Cognitive modeling alone tells us nothing about how the world influences thought. I have yet to see a compelling model for irrational thought, though. They're still not perfect, but they get fairly good results.
The greatest science, retards who can't see outside themselves write it off because of their inferior intelligence. Then they wonder why they will always lose an argument to me. Not because I know more facts then them, but because I understand why they think the things they do and how to make them feel insecure about themselves.
>look at me
>I speak words without meaning or importance
>higher education doesn't teach people to think critically
>higher education teaches people to be critical of people who think
gtfo indoctrinated babby, you are just too traumatized to realize what you are
a useful idiot
He got you, he sounds like a stereotypical /pol/ack though, nothing worth responding to.
You feel so insecure about your chance to best me that you avoid even responding. It's the typical reaction when one is confronted with a truth that makes them question their own beliefs. A defense mechanism to avoid losing confidence and becoming a shell of a man.
>>I speak words without meaning or importance
He sure sounds smarter than you, if you came from Europe at least; you'd probably understand a little more.
I come from Norway and I understood him.
CBT is gay because it doesn't redpill the "loon" on the fact that the jew is the reason for his/her problems.
CBT is jew indoctrination at a latter stage.
You have to get to the real bottom of your suffering otherwise you will have rotten foundations.
You obviously have no proper knowledge on the subject.
I'm not going to educate you, but you should read more, or even just watch documentaries.
Fuck school, you follow 1 book written by a few people, internet is better.
It takes real skill and high mental capacity to practice psychology. It's not like other sciences where you read a book about equations and just copy other's conclusions. You need to delve yourself, you need to be a real inquisitive mind and a true scientist. You can't fake psychology.
Anyone could understand the writing, but what did it convey?
Nothing, he just pasta'd what he is being taught, not what he himself has learned through experience and introspective reasoning.
He is a plebe and you are morons for defending him.
I also do not care for sounding intelligent, It is not my concern how you view me.
My concern however, is to counter cultural marxist reality and the lies they try to pawn of as truth.
I'm glad, for today your faggotry was shown to the world.
I'm also neither a american nor a women studies major.
I'm a Swedish nationalist without any degree.
Let me guess, you type in captcha correctly?
well, the reasons for them needing my help are always eventually traced back to the jew, yes.
I would however only lead the patient to this assumption, he or she would have to open their own eyes to the reality.
It all comes down to sin and how sin ruins the source code of creation, who are the masters of sin you ask?
Do I even have to explain that?
>You can't fake psychology.
That is what psychopaths can, turn on and off emotions, but you are right, the art of deduction and avoiding tells are not easy things.
Most comes from thought, this is true, but reading might help you get into things you haven't noticed by yourself.
I just saw "Secrets of body language" they talk about how politicians fake body language and how you can tell it, check it out.
>Someone disagrees with me
>They most be rustled
>I know more about a subject than someone who has studied it even though I don't understand what he says.
It confirms why people have believed in religion. Remember that every other religion than your own is wrong, but there is still a reason people believe it
>someone rustle me
>think to myself: "dammit he's right"
>proceed to not only ignore his argument
>also only respond in greentext
Why not just put Faggot in namefield and wield a EU flag?
Keep sucking somali cuck, Sven
>/pol/ is always right
Eventually the all see the light, it really depends on how much TV they watch or how many newspapers they read.
You can't really do much with someone who gets downloaded with new programming daily, even though they know who produces such programming.
I don't really care though, self realization is a jew created disease.
fMRI is not interesting since you have to be in a big fucking stationary million dollar machine. Data gathering over the internet is much more efficient and you can do it on almost everyone simultaneously.
>Keep sucking somali cuck, Sven
Yea and it's me who is rustled, right?
>I also do not care for sounding intelligent,
And neither do you, which is why I didn't see any point in arguing
Neuroscience major here
Psychology is being rendered useless by the field of neuroscience.
>mfw psychfags can't even explain how semaphorin 3A attracts dendrites and numbcounters the effects of the notch1.
How is psychology not a science?
>"The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment."
Theology major here
Neuroscience is being rendered useless by the voice of god.
>mfw sciencefags can't even explain how the soul transcends into heaven.