Does anyone else still hold out hope that eventually every sensible person, who isn't indoctrinated with the Cultural Marxist tide of shit that has polluted the West will leave and found their own State?
I'm talking about relatively small, agrarian-based communities, in some isolated area, where no one would want to immigrate because there's nothing to mooch off.
>inb4 Northwest Front
America's too fucked, where else will we build our city upon the hill, once more?
I just bought a house and 100 acres in Nova Scotia right on the Gulf of Maine. I can watch the US Eastern Seaboard get nuked from the comfort of my own home. So much white here... feels good, except the Acadians are kinda our niggers.
enjoy finding one that could actually be lived on
even if we could find a home, leftists want diversity EVERYWHERE, remember that town in the southern state somewhere that Craig Cobb lives in? Literally no blacks there but the libs march there anyway because feel good autism
Who needs to buy land when you can defend random islands?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St. Matthew Island (Alaska)
Extremely remote island, had reindeer on it at one point but they went extinct. Pretty fucking big too, could fit Anchorage on it multiple times.
And to take this into account, what's to say we don't kidnap from real countries? Terrorist state that nobody can find because we're way out there and have low population density.
I'm assuming this is what you're talking about.
>The area's remoteness and wildlife bring in small amounts of tourists, mainly, for fishing, canoeing and wilderness camping.
Wikipedia also says there's lakes with fish on this island, so it's survivable.
> isolated island
> fresh water, arable land
> whites are indigenous population
> own language and history
> still sing God Save the Queen
> heaven on earth
A shockingly large number of posters on Stormfront are women, realistically there are quite a few femanons posting on /pol/ since this is literally the only place on earth that the average white girl could be openly racist and right wing without being shunned by her community.
I've thought about this and there's a number of ways to do it, even within already exsisting states.
You have to have something that puts people off to a certain extent, like the Amish not using modern technology, for example.
Didn't you suggest the same one twice? St Mathews? The average temperature there is like 3 degrees Celsius.
This would be our best bet, invade one of these and annex it from the Seychelles.
>the northern empire of /pol/and
>the southern empire of Funposting
The future looks bright.
Some of them are actually really into living off the land, etc, so you could also create communities to 'remove them' from society but the tricky part would be getting them to actually not revert back to their ways.
It could be done but you'd need a solid group of people to sway opinion.
The other problem is communities like these, that aren't overtly liberal, like Orania, might recieve some sort of press and people wanting to come in and change them but...that hasn't happened with the Amish has it?
Name imo should be Hibernia
it's the latin word for Ireland, but it just flows off the tongue so nicely
I'd say Albion but I just think of Fable now when I do
Religion would either be Paganism or Christianity, we'd have to put that to vote
Government form, just traditional small government conservative style, not full on libertarian silliness
We'd speak English and the capital should be New Lancaster just as a teasing of New York, while representing the dream of the next new power nation
>Government form, just traditional small government conservative style, not full on libertarian silliness
I meant, republuc, democracy, kingdom, proletarian dictatorship...
>btw New Lancaster and Paganism is a no.
Reindeer were introduced to that island in the first place by the US Coast Guard, population exploded and then famously collapsed a couple years ago.
Name: To be voted upon
Religion: Anything but Judaism and Islam
Government form: Directly democratic libertarian utopia, with inviolable protection of some rights
Idiom: Please explain
National anthem: TBA
Capital name: To be voted upon
For over a hundred years the Amish have pooled their money together and hired the best lawyers that money can buy in order to protect their way of life from outside influence, such as when they went to the supreme court to fight a two dollar fine for one of them not sending his son to school.
>that hasn't happened with the Amish has it?
The Amish have pretty much been grandfathered into acceptance by the public for doing their thing for so long
You try starting something like that now and you'll have the government breathing down your neck for "child abuse" or "tax evasion" before you can say freedom of choice
see, no reason other groups couldn't do similiar.
I honestly think if you got a group of liberals together and sort of 'educated' them a bit under the ruise of "preparing for the inevitable collapse of capitalism" they would, after a while, turn out to be really tribal and totally against anyone else/different.
You hear about those churches on the West Coast etc?
Yeah, they had that one guy done for child abuse but they are left relatively alone. The Exclusive Brethern, for example, are only recent, really.
No reason it couldn't be done. It would be tricky, and there'd have to be a lot of bullshitting, but it could be done.
For both SJWs, ghettos for immigrants (contain the problem) and 'racists' etc.
>Directly democratic libertarian utopia
>authoritarian fascist state
We should have a representative republic just like the American founding fathers wanted it.
It's possible I guess, although you'd really need to hammer in that us-versus-them feeling to prevent cooperating with outside authorities - which will be quite difficult with first-generation types that have always relied (indirectly or directly) on some branch of the government coming to their aid in their hour of need
Those fundamentalist Mormon offshoots under Warren Jeffs only survived so long because the members considered everyone not a fundamentalist mormon as unrepentant sinners that couldn't stop being evil
I worked for some members of the Exclusive Brethren once, went inside their gated communities and everything, all the bad things you hear about them are nothing but liberal propaganda bullshit, they're very conservative and very devoutly christian but other than that they're just nice normal people.
We should do what the Mexicans in America and Muslims in Sweden do, use government money to build our hospitals and roads and then once we're set up we should declare independence.
>which will be quite difficult with first-generation types
I agree to a degree but don't forget that SJWs see the police force as merely representing and protecting the 1%. I think SJWs would be quite intent upon their own communities the problem, of course, is making those communities work (in more ways than one).
Right, I think Christians are another group that could be used. With Christians you could also bullshit by saying "We know scoiety at large disagrees with Christianity and we respect and understand why that's why we have chosen to remove ourselves from societies view. Upon reaching the age of maturity our children will be given a choice to remain or leave, it will be totally up to them".
Bullshit, but you get the idea.
You could easily get Christians to create communities (whether communities in 'first world countries' or 'colonies' but educating them about the seriousness of Islam against them. Christians would have the advantage of, as a group, being far more easily encouragable to have children that SJWs).
I know I'm rambling a bit but, smaller communities of like minded people (even SJWs) are better than what's on offer at the moment and these communities could be easily managed to grow, etc.
>I agree to a degree but don't forget that SJWs see the police force as merely representing and protecting the 1%
True, but they're also devoutly loyal to the State and its various appendages. If some purple-haired bulldyke from the Ministry of Social Development complained about an independent community, you can be sure they'd believe her and the MSD over that community.
Not to mention most aren't all that consistent in their beliefs anyway - if a black man was prowling around their property at night, all but the most diehard SJWs would call the "racist fascist pig fucks" to haul Jamal away
My actual plan:
The CENTRAL government is a directly democratic libertarian system, and it exists only to run the military and build roads/airports. All other power goes to individual towns, which can themselves be fascist, communist, republican, or etc.
Call me a kike all you want, you can't hide the truth of Elohim City, a fucking stain on your shit efforts to make a "white country".
lol, it'll end up being a paranoid Jesus-freak rape camp every-fucking-time.
I don't understand this mindset
>small community/"cult" has rape problem?
>"Obviously this is an inherent failure in the political and religious ideology of that community!"
>elite figures in the West have rape and drug problems?
What would the religion have to be? Don't want any christfags stinking up the place.
>note the part where the laws of another nation won't be enforced upon us
meaning everyone's going to pray all of the time in the middle of cooking crystal meth and getting raped.
I was here about an hour ago discussing all this stuff. One thing I suggested about women was just being straight-up terrorists and kidnapping some from the nearest country. Since we're all innawoods, they couldn't find this terrorist group, and if we all screamed alloo snackbar while we did kidnappings they might just think we're al-Qaeda.
>captcha nonreal better
You're interjecting a bunch of dogshit into my "mindset". I find little hicktowns and rape cult villages with "rape problems" to be just as bad as any other groups of institutionalized rape.
Apparently you're ready for the rape as a natural side effect of this future society of yours. I guess you're figuring you're going to be doing more raping than getting raped.
An american thief
also your nan doesn't pay her taxes
>we can't enforce our own basic laws
there are fuggloads of women on stormfront which could be a solid recruitment centre because the fat retards there are unlikely to leave their mums basements so it'd be a creme de creme thing
failing that russian brides init
Northern Queensland, Australia. The areas circled in blue would, altogether, have a population less than 100,000. Provided you could buy enough land and keep it profitable this would be an ideal place to reside - it's all tropical/subtropical and well-watered (rainforest areas) unlike other parts of uninhabited australia. It's the most obvious utopian land in the world that is untouched because there are very few aboriginals around, and for some reason the english settlers developed the south-east of the country before they even touched northern queensland. google 'airlie beach', 'cairns' and 'townsville' which are good examples of the land around there.
You would be able to get some good allies from the right wing farmers as well, but the aboriginals may cause some drama.
No you little tumblrite fuckwit, you're using the existence of institutionalised rape in those "hicktowns" and "rape cult villages" as proof that the underlying ideals of said "hicktowns" and "rape cult villages" support institutionalised rape.
>Apparently you're ready for the rape as a natural side effect of this future society of yours
>Famous leader in cult/community is a rapist?
>This is proof that the ideals of that cult/community endorse rape!
>Famous person(s) in entertainment, the media, business etc are rapists?
>It's just a few people! Calm down bro
It says a lot that the BBC didn't have half the backlash the Catholic Church did in covering up its sick fucks
Alright bro, I understand:
Rape by a society's elite figures is acceptable provided said society reaches a certain population density?
I dunno, I guess it's beyond a pleb like me why Western businessmen jetting off to Thailand to fuck little boys is not a black stain against capitalism or democracy while the leader of a white supremacist group fucking little girls is proof that white supremacism endorses pedophilia
oh yeah ok so you and 3 other pol members are going to conquer somewhere?
at least be mildly realistic. The way to create a utopian society would be a number of affluent billionaires deciding to re-think politics and passively buy up enough land to create a brand new state.
You sit behind a computer m8, you're not able to conquer anything
Shush, we're not actually going to do this. We're thinking, theoretically, if all /pol/ users got together to do this, what would we do? And that's where the theory ends and the realism begins.
As if it would work.
People here are paranoid that in the first they they would figure the country hasn't actually been created, and it's all a conspiracy theory.
In the second day they would probably figure that since the president or whatever they put as leader is a descendant from Adam, he must be a dirty Jew and would off him along with half the island just to be safe.
In the third day they would probably figure out that everything was a jewish plan to send the free thinking aryans to a remote location to die.
why aren't you going to do this?
If you got rich enough you could buy enough land to do a small amount of this. If 20 pol users got enough money they could create a country the size of the netherlands, easily.
on top of that, the economy could be very much like singapores (tech driven, high IQ population, excellent educational system).
It's extremely possible the more I think of it - would just need 20 or so multi-millionaires to join together to do it
Australia is fucking huge, people don't realise because >muh northern hemisphere
>would just need 20 or so multi-millionaires to join together to do it
Wouldn't even need that many.
What you'd need would be someone able to see the long term potential and invest accordingly. The big problem would be engineering a population boom without it attracting too much attention.
Maybe we're just Luddites, anon. Desperately clinging to an old way of life that will ultimately die off with us.
This is the future you chose.
I've been thinking about making this thread for a while. Thanks OP.
I remember some anon suggesting taking over a small piece of land in Africa, but other anons said the UN would shut that shit down fast.
All I know is we need to organize because the natural law of adapt or die applies to groups of humans as much as it does the animal kingdom. Strength in numbers.
Mail order brides. Once you get said country rolling and have the laws in place to not benefit women fucking people over you can let in as many as you want. There's so many average to good looking girls willing to do anything to leave their shithole countries.
because people don't want to live in a permanent state of frost
it's just me being autistic spouting ideas
probably not, but you'd need extremely good quality leaders to set it up correctly for at least the first 20 years and then develop a really effective form of government that prevents self hatred growing via excessive societal success.
I think that giving women the vote has lead to the extreme leftism that we have today, although to be fair I do think that women should vote. I think that most problems would be solved through more freedom/use of information, but the way that women easily latch on to any new tribe without so much as a shrug, while men become polarised with being homosexual ultra liberal cucks to eugenicist right wing crusaders is the biggest concern. Hmm...
An agrarian society, really? Why do people romanticize the shitty life of a poor farmer while posting on an imageboard from their comfortable climate-controlled homes?
If you're going to be a Luddite you might as well go all the way and become an anarcho-primitivist, hunting and foraging for food in whatever bit of uninhabited but hospitable wilderness still exists in this world.
>There's so many average to good looking girls willing to do anything to leave their shithole countries.
I'm sure /pol/'s future planned trailerpark shithole cultcamp will top their country of origin in every way possible.
I said in an earlier post how extremely liveable and tropical northern australia is. See>>41032508
Google what I said to google, and read the thread before shitposting. Northern Australia is the most uninhabited utopian lands in the world.
This, to a degree.
I mentioned before about communities and another thing to do would be create communities in South Africa, 'Rhodesia' and Namibia of Afrikaners (like Orania) and 'British' South Africans.
They are actually sort of 'allowed' to go off and create their own communities in South Africa. There's a few Afrikaners ones around.
The big problem is they just aren't having enough children and aren't preapring/investing properly.
>Agrarian doesn't mean farming, agrarian means "fuck cities, I want to have a huge plot of land and no neighbors."
"Agriculture" as implied in "Agrarian". You're an idiot.
And you'd live that way as long as your fat ass could get to a Wal-Mart.
How about conquering Detroit?
We could set up farms and "employ" all the blacks.
In exchange for their labor rather than pay them, we offer them free housing and food. Some of the lighter skinned ones can work as maids and butlers if they behave and learn proper english.
In the best case we invade some shitty island, we cleanse the unwanted populace (jew kebab niggra etc.) We all build our shitty home and pay taxes to the local governement (taxes come from shitpost export, everyone have to shitpost a few hour a day) and with that the gov pay our internet and hotpocket.
Instead of trying to buy an island or lease a few hundred acres from some crappy third world country, consider a less conventional alternative - a seafaring nomadic society. Multiple civilian ships could band together to form a small, self-sustaining community in international waters.
By remaining mobile the fleet avoids resource scarcity. This mobility also allows a fleet to avoid the biggest pitfall of trying to develop an island or isolated region - the cost of transport. Instead of paying for supplies, equipment, or personnel to be sent to you (at great expense) you can go where your suppliers are.
Eventually as the fleet grows in size resources can be pooled to acquire larger and more diverse vessels which can be used to fulfill key roles in the expanding flotilla.
>Trawlers could fish in and around the fleet's route.
>Barges could be retrofitted with vertical farms to grow food or large solar arrays to provide power
>Cargo ships could eventually be converted into floating manufacturing plants, producing equipment for the fleet or goods for export.
>Tankers could carry fuel or be modified into massive desalinators to provide fresh water to other ships.
>Old cruise liners could serve as residential, business, and government zones
>Smaller ships could as transports, patrols, repair crews, etc.
Government could be kept small, simple and largely decentralized:
>Each captain runs his or her ship and is in charge of handling day to day affairs.
>Captains also serve as representatives in the fleet's governing body
>Captains' council handles issues that affect the entire fleet or disputes between ships.
>Anyone can apply to become a member of the civilian population but to become a captain you need to either
>a) Be a shipowner, have your ship approved for admission, and fulfill a function in the fleet
>b) Earn a commission through service to the fleet and be awarded a ship.
When you live in a country that has only existed for less than two hundred years the notion of creating your own nation doesn't seem as far fetched as it does to Americans and Europeans.
Really. You really want to live like a Somali pirate?
Your suburban easy 1st world life is so "bad" that you want to go barely scape by one some shitty boat with a bunch of shit-for-brains red necks who hate fun?
All of this because of some perceived nebulous Jewish threat?
Ehh... probably best to avoid making the transition from roaming civilization of noble pioneers to roaming band of pirates.
... also what's a fleet of dozens or hundreds of small ships going to do with goats, mud, and crates of anti-retrovirals?
I would think as long as the fleet isn't going around buying up used warships and submarines there's not going to be an issue. International maritime law generally recognizes the right of ships to defend themselves from piracy and other external threats so having armed patrols shouldn't be an issue as long as you stow that shit whenever a US Navy ship appears on the horizon.
Also it's a fleet, you're not stuck in one ocean so you could always just avoid more pirate-ridden waters.
Yeah but we could do it without all the forced abortions, torture, and creepy alien cult shit.
>some shitty boat with a bunch of shit-for-brains red necks who hate fun?
>implying citizens work would not include cleaning ship
If we really want it, it could happen.
>We could use every currency in the world
>We would be gods
>Kids in 4th grade would talk about how cool we are, how we are like their storybooks
Are you fucking serious?
We obviously would have a military/police force that makes sure shit gets done.
Look at the Quarian Flotilla in Mass Effect, even if it's fiction.
It would definitely work.
>We obviously would have a military/police force that makes sure shit gets done.
requesting fat militia men pics please.
>Look at the Quarian Flotilla in Mass Effect, even if it's fiction.
>citing video games like they are a reference for reality
now it's just sad.
It wouldn't be lawless. Ships would have rules and leadership, civilians would be expected to have jobs and regular duties just like any large civilian ship. The fleet as a whole would have regulations and expectations for ships to follow.
/pol/ is fitter than you think.
We could easily purchase some old navy uniforms from anywhere in the world.
>Life imitates art
Like the other anon said, just join Scientology.
This "no government but my government" shit is just ridiculous. you're trading a bad system in for a complete shit one. You'd all have a better life being an outcast in a gypsy camp.
If we're going to have a civilization we'll need women.
Do you think women and all their frailties and materialism will be down for such a lifestyle?
I imagine those who would wouldnt be western women, perhaps the eastern european women would find it more appealing than their dirt farms.
Godspeed, anons, remember for every Locke there's a Sir Robert Filmer like >>41034283, and one of the greatest nations on Earth (granted, in decline) was founded by a bunch of religious nutjobs.
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but one day: I believe in you.
Civilizations have come up from other ones.
Check out Canada, or Australia.
Previously colonies on barren wastelands run by rich overlords.
>A cruise ship
>Previously disheveled watercraft
>Used to be owned by some rich guy
>Could become the cornerstone of a fleet of people
Whole thing is the anthem
Its fine as long as you don't need to buy resources from other countries and your people are satisfied with the technology you have at home instead of yelling about how america got the iphone 6000000
We have been doing it for years come down and join us sometime OP
>>PS we are GERMANS mostly