Except internships don't help shit. Go look at a job online right now and see how many of them say >at least 2 months experience needed Fucking none of them do, which is the average length of time an internship lasts. The least... LEAST amount of experience needed for most jobs is at least 1 year and even those are at a minimum.
>Enter grad school >Look for internships because not doing thesis, just doing professional paper >Get HAZWOPER 40h cert first semester >Get internship with construction/engineering/environmental work company
Boss told me of the 124 candidates to apply, I was the ONLY one who had a cert they were looking for. Plus, I genuinely was interested in the work.
Protip here: get a common certification in your field. If you're lucky, local unions or teamsters do training for free as a community service.
>People don't want to work for free but think they're too good for burger flipping The economy is getting better. If you don't have at least 3-4 years experience working before you leave college and you don't have any undergrad work your degree is worthless.
>>42034566 >think they're too good for burger flipping That isn't the problem. The problem is that those 3 years of burger flipping I did might as well have never happened in the eyes of employers in my field. Jobs these days ask for, and I quote... >relevant experience Face it. A job at Mickey D's is a dead end job.
>>42034640 You don't know how to sell it then. If you can't turn a job making burgers into a job situation where you had multiple responsibilities and had to quickly learn new skills, etc you don't really want your new job. Polish that turd. >>42034673 Maybe if you left your house and kept telling your mom that getting a job is so hard and she needs to send you pizza money you'd realize that.
As an engineering student, I've heard of around 10 women get internships, and only one man get an internship.
I admit that it may just be confirmation bias, but in this day and age, it only makes sense to get your quotas in interns, who never do anything amyways. you hire the interns who stand out, then the super nerds who graduate with fucking laurels and extracurriculars. All I want is a chance to prove myself, shitty school homework and exams are meaningless to me. Maybe work is more of the same but the grass is always greener
>>42034699 >If you can't turn a job making burgers into a job situation where you had multiple responsibilities and had to quickly learn new skills >multiple responsibilities and had to quickly learn new skills tell an employer that and they'll laugh at you and call you lying asshole
>can't find a job >decide to try internship to pad up cv >find one >"Software Engineering internship positions available" >Excited >"Unpaid" >I don't care. It might lead to a permanent job >"Master's Degree in Computer Science or equivalent field" >"5 years experience"
>>42033287 >unpaid internships >literally having so little value in yourself that you do it for free
Unpaid internships are a scam, most of the time they will just pass off your position to some other intern because its much cheaper to just shill your company to college students looking to get "experience".
>>42034749 >Maybe work is more of the same but the grass is always greener
If you are anything like me, work is so much better than school m8. But I guess its just because I always fucking hated school and I have a comfy position at a public high school maintaining the network and all computers.
> not realizing the 'required amount of professional experience' is typically just a way to deter the would-be appliers from doing so
Some companies experience a massive amount of applications in a day/week/month. To try to thin the numbers down and hope for the most ambitious ones, they put wording up like that which makes most feel like they are inexperienced and walk away.
Apply anyways. If you make it, good luck. You'll need a good personality and a good solid foundation of the basic fundamentals of whatever field it is you are entering into. If you don't get a call back, what is the problem? You may have learned you did something wrong and you change it for the next time. Either way, you're getting one step further to being employed.
The moral of this little spiel is: just try and see where it gets you. Who knows, you may have landed a job or made it to last rounds of interviews.
Working sales teaches you how to persuade people to be on your side of thinking. Regardless of how they come into the conversation, your goal is to get them on your side at the end. That is the only way to land the sale.
You just don't see the benefits of jobs that appear to be 'bad' in your eyes. I, too, used to view salesmen as cheats and swindlers. My own dad has been one his entire life. I finally realized there are some positives that come from the job, even if I disagree with what the position is.
You will always learn something from your experiences - the good and the bad.
>have no experience >job description says it requires a year of lab experience >don't have but apply anyway >during interview they ask about lab experience >tell them I've had a black lab for almost 10 years >everyone laughs >good answer, they tell me >don't get the job True story
>>42033287 >tfw you realize if there was no minimum wage you could go in and work for next to nothing while living at home and gain some experience and have your foot in the door compared to killing yourself trying to find any job at all let alone one you actually want to work in.
Leftists are so stupid and seriously fuck over everyone. Experience is more important than a college degree, and leftist faggot children continue to vote themselves out of work.
it's not so much as to scare you away so much as they know they can get the candidate they want and they want experience.
Employers are lazy and don't want to take chances on or educate employees. They want someone who can do the job and has been doing the job. Also in the internet age they get hundreds of applications for any job no matter how shit it is.
This job has shit pay, is very far away and is in the middle of no where. http://qz.com/352611/1500-applied-for-that-penguin-post-office-job-in-antarctica/
I will admit that isn't a good example of a standard job, and there are plenty of people who are willing to do that. But now no employer has to even remotely worry about finding employees.
>>42033287 my company has recently decided to abuse the mortal fuck out of the internship program.
literally. yes, literally only managers and up actually work for the company. the other 130 people, all interns from the local university. All 130 being paid nothing for the next 6 months. and at the end of their 6 months, the job they were kinda promised but legally wasnt, isnt there for them. in 2 months these 130 students will be fired and another 130 will be brought in.
>yfw only 25 people actually work for the company and are on payroll.
im sure laws are being broken, but at $45/hr, i aint saying shit. tl;dr version
intern program is shit, dated, and needs to be scrapped entirely as its being abused and no longer serves its intended purpose.
>>42033287 Hey, you guys remember when capitalism worked for the middle class? Yeah, that was because the rich were afraid of a real socialist revolution happening in the United States. The only thing America's rich understand is the fear of an imminent revolution.
If you don't understand that, they'll squeeze you until your nose is barely above water.
>>42033287 why dont you work your way up from the mail room like i did you lazy ass? thats right, suck the boss's dick in in the mail room and work your way up like a real man. Its how your dad did it.
>>42033287 >expect me to work for free with debts up my ass because nobody wants to educate anyone anymore not to mention that the "intern" work I do is literally the same as the dude that never got an education and who barely knows how to start the computer whose dad works two floors up This world is already doomed, if none is willing to invest in newly educated then don't fucking cry when none wants to get educated anymore
Unless you're studying social science, because then you might as well just hang yourself
Pretty sure nearly every single job I've had has required 2-3 years experience. I've never had more than 1 second of experience and have always been hired. Even once I got my b.sc. I went around applying and all these companies saying they wouldn't hire people seemed like thirsty fucks. I dunno if I've just reached sociopathic tier or what but I've never had any issues with companies saying things like "2 years xp req'd!!!11!!" because they seem to forfeit that in a matter of minutes.
>>42034699 >where you had multiple responsibilities and had to quickly learn new skills and their response would most likely be "How would you apply those skills you learned to this completely unrelated field which you have no experience in"
Anyone with 5 years experience in software engineering can find a payed job easily. There is a huge global shortage and profitable projects are being scrapped because they can't find enough people to build them.
>>42033287 I actually looked into studies on employment after internships.
Basically: >Unpaid internship: Hired onto the company after the internship at a rate significantly lower than people who walked in and gave a resume >Paid internship: Hired onto the company after the internship at a rate slightly higher than the people who walked in and gave a resume
Don't do unpaid internships unless you enjoy being a bitch. Internships are fine, if they're paid. Unpaid is just exploitation and slave labour and should be outlawed.
>>42043317 Your country has lost it's working force, you guys are mainly retail or call center workers, sitting in front of a PC from 9 to 5, and being replaced the minute you start to sneeze two times a day.
>>42033287 >paying money for a degree that does not make you a marketable employee enjoy those 40 years of internships. the boomers are holding on and importing curries who can just make up their references and use fake degrees.
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