>Russian army to get new transport planes by 2024 that would make deployment of armed forces by hypersonic speeds possible in just 7 hours. They could deploy 400 Armatas if all mobilized
Russia strong? Or 'what are you smoking' Russia?
>transports take shortest route to US via Canada
>an entire flock of geese gets sucked into the air intake
>massive flameout ejecting ground meat and gallons of goose shit
>entire Russian ground force killed in the crash
>Canada becomes the US's greatest ally
>goose becomes the new national bird of the US
>Canada apologises profusely to Russia for the inconvenience
Also, reading between the lines in the article it seems that in the closed meeting they presented it they are saying things like 'military bases in Middle East & South America'
Russian bases in Argentina, Venezuela, Nicaragua = US will explode from butthurt
report about how great russian army is
>russian news source
US defence budget is nearly 700 billion dollars, the Russians isn't even 100. you can bet your bottom dollar whatever the Russians have the US have the same thing better.
It's Russia, they'll draw up some design for OBJEKT 39534345 or whatever the fuck number they're on, make a scale model or maybe even a prototype then destroy it in nuclear testing or leave it rotting in a junk yard.
and russia isn't victim to corruption and jew wasteful spending?
america has been inventing robots and invisible planes to fight their wars, name one thing the russian military has invented recently?
Only if one side has decisive air superiority. So if you're fighting Americans, who built their (our) entire military strategy around that exact thing, yeah you're fucked.
But even then, the Russians have been counterbuilding us since the 1940s. They're really up to speed on SAMs and radar technology, and their tanks are frankly better than ours are, and far more numerous.
If you can catch them outside of the missile umbrella you're golden, but you can't seriously think that an warthog would survive against even organic Russian AA. And relying on that new snakeoil bullshit multirole fighter they're coming up with, you might as well just pray to God for a lightning bolt.
Actually, a lightning bolt wouldn't work. You should pray to God for a JDAM.
our defense budget is mostly to keep 80 year old vets alive and to enrich the Congress' donors, it has nothing to do with actual combat effectivness
in reality, the gap is probably more like 2-1, maybe 3-1. Certainly not 7-1
High speed cheeki breeki?
That artists impression looks nice, but I don't think that could do mach2, you would need to slow down airflow to stop the turbofan engine getting destroyed. I have no idea how they would build anything like that.
That thing in the picture cannot reach supersonic speed.
Wrong wing shape, wrong engine layout and wrong cross section.
As stated in the article: "artist's concept"
Developing and producing a supersonic, 200t payload transport aircraft will bankrupt Russia, just as it did in the 1980s, when they tried similar shit.
RT-news really has become tabloid journalism, mixed with propaganda bullshit.
> And probably at hypersonic speed
Sorry OP, hypersonic craft are basically only dart-shaped scramjet powered suicide machines made of carbon-carbon composite and launched with rockets to get up to speed.
This thing is a knockoff of Boeing's X-48 program for subsonic fuel and cargo transport.
> RT for reliable news about Russia. Not even once.
>Russian craft deploys Spetsnaz paratroopers
>I am ready
>Tavor with extra CCCCCLIIPPPPZZZ
>Backpack full of tactical socks, brand name jeans, Katy Perry CDs and more...
>Deploy jeans tactically
>Tactical placement of CDs and real home baked roast meat dishes
>Infiltrate while Spetsnaz are drunk and eating real, non moldy meat, not fat or dog food, but REAL MEAT and trying on jeans
>Got these Rooskie shits at gunpoint.
>Give them more meat
>Tell them it wasn't their fault senior officer made them do homosex
>We all hug and cry while roasting fresh beef and owning new clothes
>Tell them to bring nice Slav womans for population increase
>We liberate USA, then Russia from grip of Illuminati
As for the actual aircraft, there isn't a single hypersonic aircraft currently in production, much less a manned hypersonic aircraft currently in production. Hell, there isn't that many missiles that can even reach that speed. What the fuck are the russian's going to run these aircraft on and how are they going to keep them cool enough? Also, that thing on the picture wouldn't work. the intake would generate too much drag and the wings are far too big of a hindrance to actually get the necessary speeds.
But that's retarded. All it takes is an idiot to go, see that, figure who is getting the money, and now you know who is producing something interesting and thus deserving attention.. The way it's actually done is you simply collect all secret funding and call it that, which yields almost no useful information to a would be enemy. All you guys have is a bunch of overcosted shit with a side order of constantly cancelled projects.
You know, I really wish people would stop the "X bankrupted Russia", because it was funny and entertaining as the whole "Germany only lost because of X" for a while, but you can only be wrong and repeated so often before you get tiring.
Ok, if I assume for a moment that this thing is legit and unleash my autism on it:
* This is a project for distant future. PAK-FA isn't ready yet, PAK-DA is barely past the drawing board stage (last thing I heard they were experimenting with bomber engines), and this thing is apparently just a concept. We'll be lucky if we see them flying before our retirement days.
* They want to turn the entire army into an aeromobile fast reaction force like VDV? Neat, I guess.
* Despite what this article says, this has clear defensive applications, as this would allow us to relocate entire brigades from Western Russia to Central Asia or Far East and back in a matter of hours or days.
* Since they are specifically made to transport Armatas this means that T-14 is as good as accepted by army, even though trials haven't even begun yet.
Not... quite true. Darts can only get you so far and they're mostly ramjet demonstrators. Actual, fully developed plane ideas are generally a very thin inclined plane with massive engines on the back, few small intakes on the front, and small and thick wings on the side (the body being the shape describe to also provide lift in lieu of actual normal wings).
A aircraft as described is perfectly plausible... that thing on the picture isn't. At least, not as a hypersonic aircraft.
>but you can't seriously think that an warthog would survive against even organic Russian AA
>But even then, the Russians have been counterbuilding us since the 1940s. They're really up to speed on SAMs and radar technology, and their tanks are frankly better than ours are, and far more numerous.
I would believe this if USA would announce it. Ruskies want to build their first full-stealth bombers by 2025, experts say they will be on the lower technological level than 80's American F-117 Nighthawks.
>are you living in a Tom Clancy novel? Is it nice in there?
But it isn't an stylistic element in writing. It's just wrong. The German's didn't lose because they couldn't get enough jet aircraft. Even if they could have doubled production, they still would have lost because the numbers were simply not on their side. Likewise, Russia's technological follies failures had nothing to do with their collapse, while years of economic mismanagement without an outside crutch and falling prices for the things its sold to support its economy did.
Japan destroyed the capitol and killed the government. So yes.
so much weird goodies to get your hands on, mostly prolly for cheap. they wont give a shit about someone shifting in the junk. combine all those thrown away test models into one big powerranger robot and go on a rampage into sweden. good times
he's right and I can't see what he got wrong. Russian AA defenses are great. On missile tech they are at least as good as we are, AND they produce far more dedicated stuff than we do. Example : everyone wet their pants on METEOR. Ever heard of R77 ?
An A10 cannot survive against any modern AA now (and couldn't during the cold war) the plane only has success because its facing virtually non-existent counter air. Which makes it over sized for CAS mission, sadly. A good inexpensive and useful plane, yes, but more of a psyops thing than a true game changer.
True multirole aicrafts (like our superior and beloved Rafale) doesn't work for the US air force, since their budget allows them to make better use of swarms of small platforms or a few big ones which gets them better efficiency for money (what was the cheapest bomber for CAS in afgha and in Iraq today ? The B1. Right a mfking B1, this half-failed superduper expensive bomber that never got to do what he was supposed to is cheaper in the end than F15/16/18. because more range, more bombs, more room for pods, etc).
Soooo, in the end I don't get why what he said comes from a game.
C'est pas parce que c'est un mangeur de burgers que ce qu'il dit est faux.
you guys need to talk to your manager and get the buzzwords updated. This method of operation has been under the spotlight for 8 months already. Also give my regards to robierspier
the budget for the VA or DVA is outside the defense budget, as is nuclear spending. just wiki'd it. even if it was this totals 1.5 billion... the Russian defense budget is .75 billion. so it would be 5-1 (which it isn't)
and if you said half of that went to the jews, it's still 4-1.
Well, to be honest AK is extremely reliable, actually the most reliable weapon in the world, and has simple mechanisms, you can fix it very easily. I wouldn't say it's outdated.
Still I am pessimist if it comes about russian R&D.
In this day and age it is not the money that is the issue, it is who is holding the guns.
In our case we will mostly have latino and negro troops "defending" our little continent from the Russians. How long do you think manuel will last before saying fuck and going back to mexico to deal? The nignos will be eliminated from the equation as soon as the Russians airdrop a bunch of watermelons over them.
You have no one left to fight, no one who is trully dedicated to the USA like people were back in the 50-60's. Those whites are old and useless now, their children closet homos and crossbreeding rats. Throw as much money at them as you want, in the end the Russians are fighting for Russia and the immigrants are not going to risk their necks for the USA.
Tbh as a Russian emigre I'm not really worried about the ability of Russia to come up with (non nuclear) tech that the US doesn't have.
My grandpa was a high level engineer who worked on guided missiles back in the Soviet era and helped rip off the space shuttle and he always told me with amazement about American industrial equipment and how backwards everything home was in comparison.
He was telling me about some machine that America had to make circular cuts in metal where it was laser guided and then machine processed. He said in Russia it's just a welder drawing a circle on a piece of metal and then doing it by hand.
You are everywhere, churka. Calling every flag ivan. When someone says shit about Russia you reply to that poster: "BASED *insert country*
Cocksucking nature as it is.
you polaks know how they develop shit, some threat comes along they they glue a few bricks and sticks together and there we go! new weapon!
and sadly most of the time the inventions are so ahead of its time that it is just sad seeing them not adopt it into the army and just letting all those awesome toys rot in a storage base somewhere.
You didn't mention your deepthroating at thoose Ukrainian war threads, Ivan.
> Calling every flag ivan
It's fucking obvious when some canadian or fuckign cyprus suddenly starts speaking russian, that they're using Proxy, learn how to use a fucking proxy first you shitlord, also fuck russia, it's a huge shithole, and you'll drown in it you worthless piece of mongol cum
tbh the IS-7 is close to a MBT, but it got canceled because it was too heavy, the crew that drived the test model said it was easy to drive and reload and was pretty comfy for a russian tank
I agree money isn't everything. but saying money isn't everything is like saying athletic ability isn't everything in a boxing fight, or course it isn't. but if your athletic ability outstrips your opponent by a factor of almost 9, you have to reconsider things. not withstanding the other factors aren't that unevenly matched, even if you try to argue one way or another.
second to that.... there are as many disillusioned russians living in Russia as there are disillusioned citizens here. maybe more.
the USA has never employed conscription, only the draft, if it did like the soviets in the second world war, it would be far more formidable giant. considering the USA has a population of 318 million, and russia 144 million.
>>Russian army to get new transport planes by 2024 that would make deployment of armed forces by hypersonic speeds possible in just 7 hours. They could deploy 400 Armatas if all mobilized
so they will steal our great concord once more. ?
Sure, it's possible, but then you have to think that Russia, with it's shitty 2 trillion dollar economy will be dumping massive amounts of its total GDP into military spending just to keep up. Any country can do this kind of thing if they dish out the money and have a somewhat decent private tech sector.
you missed the point, USA is not american anymore, it is a horrible cesspool of the worst sort of immigrants, and no not the white ones.
People in Russia have not changed at all since the USSR, in fact they cling even harder to the past ways. stuff you hear in the west about Russia is total bollocks, they are not in as bad a shape as we are. Look at the ukraine for example, they have nobody who is willing to fight. All the money in the world being thrown in there and they still cannot find HUMANS to man all the gear they got. Why? because their ideal is bullshit, just like the US today.
The youth in america will not want to fight a big opponent. Sure iraq is fine, its a fly on the wall. But Russia is a whole other ball game. That will require huge balls that we simply do not have. Maybe we can pay the whole planet as mercs and hope they can do the job for us?
Our brony/iphone slinging generation is in no shape to fight. White males from the south of the USA are in short supply.
>People in Russia have not changed at all since the USSR
let me reillustrate my point in a non analogical form.
let's divide qualities of winning a war into four even sections (even for the sake of argument) -
motivation of people/ morale
ingenuity of commanders
the latter three you can argue you either way for which is superior between the US and Russia, but none come close to exceeding the other by a factor of 9, but we know the first does. this does so in such a way that compensates for all these other factors, which if we were being nice to the Russians (as military technology is clearly more advanced on the US side) we would say are even.
there you go, said literally and non analogically
Every france get 18EU cash or can make 7 day holiday in france.
i didn't know holiday is this cheap in france.
But that is true! what is bad in it?
Cynicism is an attitude or state of mind characterized by a general distrust of others' motives believing that humans are selfish by nature, ruled by emotion, and heavily influenced by the same primitive instincts that helped humans survive in the wild before agriculture and civilization became established.
Here, have a SU 25 picture for your trouble.
Consider that the british have done pretty well in the past employing a bunch of foreigners to fight their wars (although they all now feel entitled to live here)
I think the american civil war was won by the north with a immigrant bunch of probably more disinterested troops as well, at least compared to the south.
in all honesty I don't think a war will happen anyway, because it's in neither sides best interest. with the second world war, hitler had an agenda to conquer europe and russia. putin's ambitions seem far more humble, of just simply restoring russia to where it was.
>military technology is clearly more advanced on the US side
In what sphere I wonder. Every time britcuck opens his mouth on military issues you can't help by being amazed how this ruined agonizing joke of a nation was a superpower just couple of centuries ago.
Reminder the American black budget for classified tech is bigger than the whole Russian military budget and Russia thinks it can win because they can do backflips and inject krokodil.
The myth of US tech is huge, hollywood is a thing you know.
resources - pretty even if USA takes over canada
military technology - Russia has a slight advantage considering things like : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams
>tanks from the 80s
There is nothing new that came into force since the cold war, drones are the only advantage i can see for the US.
The navy is a sunken rock and really worth going into. a few sunburn missiles would molest the whole thing anyway.
motivation of people/ morale - Russia has you beat there by a long shot. Just look at the bums who are pwning the ukraine right now, all washed out old farts who could qualify for nothing else besides mining for coal in the USSR are now ripping new anuses in the ukr. Now imagine Russia proper.
ingenuity of commanders - I think patton was the last good guy you had, he actually knew what he was talking about when it came to Russians.
don't worry, my other russian friends get mad when I remind them of this also. I'm no nationalist in the slightest, so what you're saying doesn't really apply to me. just as a global spectator, i would put my money on the US over russia. not that I would ever want it to happen, considering the unimaginable amount of human lives that could be lost in the process.
I mean you had the AK-47, but russia is a shadow of what it was in the cold war. even in the cold war, in the dr strangelove scenario, the US was the favourite to win as well (which I believe even khrushchev was smart enough to know), the question was how much of the rest of the world was it going to wipe out in the process.
>myth of US tech
Look at how much the US budget has risen.
The last few publicly unveiled landmarks in their technology was the railgun, the boeing anti-missile laser and the B2 bomber. They have most certainly become more stringent in hiding sensitive tech because while the budget has gone up there has been less press for groundbreaking tech. You only have to look at things like the stealth heli in the bin laden raid to know they've stopped publicizing these things.
This is because not only would it be dangerous for the enemy to have, they enemy would become paranoid, protest that it is destabilizing and that they should dismantle the project.
The chances of Russia having a production level plane with supersonic combustion in the next 10 years is 0%. Even the U.S. with it's billions in defense money have nothing much better than lab scale tests and incredibly expensive prototypes (which destroy themselves more often than not). This is pure propaganda.
Oh yes, they will deploy hundreds of thousands of Armatas.
I think the US probably does have a lot of tech like >>42717467 points out
The US also dominates the world on the research and development front as well, russia being far down on this count in the rankings
I might agree with you that a lot of that tech may end up being useless if it were to come to all out war. in that scenario, it's a bit more difficult to imagine what might turn out to be useful/useless
I think it's more likely that Russia and the US will engage in proxy wars, that's not to say they're not doing that already with the Ukraine and Syria. I think like the cold war both sides are mutually smart enough to not want all out war. China would be the other factor to consider in that scenario too... who would they side with? they have problems with Russians and the US.
One thing that lasts forever is the knife and the rifle. If that is durable then you can go on forever.
The hightech shit will be useless once the supports and resupply for it are capped or spent. Look at Novorussia, the only thing left standing and working is the grunts and the GRAD systems. All them fancy planes and Rockets went to shit after 4 months.
USA would have only 1 shot and it would have to count because the blowback from an attack would render both sides fighting out an eternal trenchwar.
you are aware f-35 is a meme over here?
"hangar queen" we call it. and yes. it is inferior to pak fa in every possible way
>Imagining hundreds of these flying through the sky in a D-day style invasion of the US
The cost of R&D is the risk associated with it.
Sometimes it's a bust, sometimes you come up with the strongest fighter in the world.
Our very old f-16s still rival your newest migs and su's
It's also cute that 4 of the 6 vehicles shown there can be answered with the sound BRRRRRRRRR
The f 35 was used mainly for its vtol capability. Meaning it replaces the role of the harrier to be used in CAS for marines. It can land and take off from a helipad and doesnt require an airfield. This is a very niche aircraft. I could also give less of a fuck about your shit tier Russian memes or what you think of our military. Your country is dirt fucking poor, your military in tatters, and your lead by a manlet who has effectively gotten on the bad side of the entire UN. The only thing keeping it together is your blind nationalism.
The PAK-FA is a piece of shit just like the F35. Even India was unimpressed with your trash.
Modern jet fighter programs are scams.
are you kidding? the military hardware russia has been deploying to hotspots in recent years has been up to par with the weapons we've been supplying to our proxies. really the only area i havn't heard much is in terms of drones
>Our very old f-16s still rival your newest migs and su's
Kek'd. No.. just no.
They are equal to the Russian SU-27, the newer SU aircrafts like the SU-35 super flanker is made to counter the F-22.
I understand... 'Muricans like to be a patriots. But don't deny fact..
1,5$ trillion jet that can't shoot
and can't even fly on warm fuel
that's too niche for my slav comprehension
nigger, you have to be fucking trolling.
Ok man, you win, 48 SU-35's are going to answer 187 f-22s and conquer the world.
You do realize manufacturing power plays a significant role in actually putting all those high tech parts together to form the aircraft right?
I always wonder if its a real fraud as the companies filled their pockets with billions, if american aeronautic military has downgraded its status to ineptitude or if a "failed" project is too convenient to hide black budgets destined to other stuff.
The only thing keeping military technology going was the Cold War. Look how Germany retired nearly 2,000 tanks as soon as the USSR fell apart. Combined, France, Britain and Germany only have something like 800 tanks. The Russians have 2,500+ active tanks and 10,000+ in storage.
Oh we do.
We have the capability to build them, it's just that our superiority fighters are so advanced, it is not cost effective to build them. Nothing can match them, so the money put into them is wasted.
Despite what some may claim, the military is exceedingly efficient at spending money.
Throughout the 2000s, the need for F-22s was debated due to rising costs and the lack of relevant adversaries. In 2006, Comptroller General of the United States David Walker found that "the DoD has not demonstrated the need" for more investment in the F-22, and further opposition to the program was expressed by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Deputy Secretary of Defense Gordon R. England, Senator John McCain, and Chairman of U.S. Senate Committee on Armed Services Senator John Warner. The F-22 program lost influential supporters in 2008 after resignation of Secretary of the USAF Michael Wynne and General T. Michael Moseley. Nevertheless, in 2008, Congress passed a defense spending bill funding the F-22's continued production and the Pentagon released $50 million of the $140 million for four additional aircraft, raising the total orders for production aircraft to 187 and leaving the program in the hands of the next administration
again, your confusing air superiority fighter with air support fighter. One is designed specifically to combat air targets, the other is specifically designed to support ground troops.
THAT IS A SEXY LOOKING PLANE
JESUS CHRIST I CANNOT BELIEVE I FEEL ATTRACTED SO MUCH TO THIS PLANE, FUCK.
IT LOOKS SO FUTURISTIC LIKE THIS COULD BE A SPACEPLANE OR SOMETHING
>the need for F-22s was debated due to rising costs
Gee wonder why that happened.
Its part of r&d strategy, HI-LO (high cost, limited output.) They do the same thing in reverse, low cost high output. I think there are something like 120 f-22s, obviously if there was a need for them they would start being made again.
They actually expect this to be built and be useable.
Yeah they had this collapsing thing to attend to you know. Meanwhile the US with all that growth and prosperity and 7x as large military budget still can't match Russia in some things.
>it's just that our superiority fighters are so advanced, it is not cost effective to build them
That's the exact design philosophy that is the bane of military development.
Why not make something durable and cheap that works?
Something good doesn't need to be expensive.
Just look at the b52 or the f-16
Good at what it does and cost-effective. All the money you don't spend on useless prima donna planes you can spend on training of engineers and pilots.
>due to rising costs
when we are threatened and the use of f-22's is warranted, you won't see much resistance to the continued production, no matter the cost.
overall the US has more planes, boats, and soldiers combined with better overall technology
The Russian army deploys a massive amount of tanks, the majority of which are severely outdated.
Americans tend to arm every one of their soldiers with the best technology available, instead of just mass producing shit and throwing it into their hands
>M1 Abrams is literally the best tank in the world.
Hmmmmmm. Even if the Leopard 2 series are old, most military academies report them as the best. Russian T-90 and M1 have a lot of weakness. Fighting against a camel battalions is not the best way to proof its capabilities.
Also this is not computers, submarines, or jet-fighters. Besides the radar, targeting system and reactive armour there is nothing to upgrade. The AK-47 is one of the best assault rifles with qualities that exceed even "modern assault rifles". "New is better" doesn't apply to tanks any-more.
>You know, I really wish people would stop the "X bankrupted Russia"
In most cases X=Military spending and yes, their Military spending is what bankrupt russia, considering that they were spending near 50% of their GDP in the 80's on Military
I don't even care that the thing is technically infeasible and would fly really terribly and require a shitload of fly-by-wire and even that might not be enough, and the artists don't know shit about aerodynamics but you gotta love that design.
It just looks MEAN, from any angle at the front.
Yeah but I don't care really, I want to see this thing in an animu, in a vidya game, in the next Ace Combat maybe, I want to fly this sexy sleek plane
ussr has developed first combat laser prototypes back in 70s. already then we realized how ineffective and impractical that technology is in real combat conditions. but okay, it's not like americans have a skyrocketing net debt that wouldn't allow mic to waste trillions on another bogus revelation
1. Why the fuck would one SU-35 go up against 4 F-22s?
2. You can't compare from pure shit information like you trying to trick people with. These two aircraft has never went 1v1 before therefore nobody knows what aircraft will win, since both are pretty much equal.
3. Read about both of them. There are numerous articles that point both ways. But I guess you chosed the pro-'murica one.
it was ineffective due to the energy requirements.
the US railgun seems to have finally fixed it.
You do realize this technology has been researched since the 90s
immediate military application does not always ensure future feasibility.
i guess you chose the pro-russian one. Lol
SU-35 has maneuverability. F-22 has advanced radar and stealth technology.
The SU can fly circles around invisible aircraft all it wants, doesn't mean it's superior.
You don't realize that one of the major reasons the f-22 production was halted was because the Chinese and Russians could not come up with anything that rivaled it, let alone countered it.
cpyccкиe бляди, чeгo бы тyт нaхyй хoтитe дoкaзaть? дaвaй дoпycтим эти дaлбaёбы дyмaют чтo пyпкин cпaceт их oт хaчeй, нy дaвaй пocмoтpим нa фaкты, пyтин caмaя хитpaя coбaкa жидoв, кoгдa CШA paзвaлят вaшy cpyccню кaк в 93, пyпкин cбeжит из cpyccии в изpaeл a тeбя cyкy зaвaлит aмepикoc.
american special forces shoot with machine-guns at the full bus with children and females in Mariupol to scare locals..
looks like a lifting body instead of supersonic, designed for heavy lift and large volume rather than speed. NASA pic related.
An Interceptor, of course!
Russian version of the Sky Launch aircraft, brilliant!
A stealthy infantry insertion aircraft for black ops, them sneaky Russians!
It's an artists concept. It's not real. The US is the only country with futuristic space looking planes that actually exist outside of a PSD file.
a ты вooбщe эбaлo зaкpoй, oнaниcт жёлты.
Epic /int/ernational /b/anter my ebin /b/roter xD i totally got that reference about sweden because sweden = cucks haha !!
>with futuristic space looking
U.S.A focused on the most important things
>Chinese and Russians could not come up with anything that rivaled it, let alone countered it.
Believe what you want amerifat, you will be shocked though.
No I admit those jets are very tough fighters.
It's just that they actually have to find the f-22 in the first place, because the f-22 is everything those fighters are plus advanced stealth technology.
The f-22 would see them before they saw the f-22.
That gives a distinct ambush advantage to the f-22
Don't underestimate US stealth technology, we've been working at it for half a century now.
You obviously doesn't understand how stealth and counter-stealth works.
This article should change your mind if you're not fully pro-muh'murica brainwashed.
Read the final conclusion if you want a TL:DR, I know that most americans doesn't have the patience to read a lot.
If we are to have a serious discussion, wouldn't it be logical to put all the strengths and weaknesses of each fighter on the table?
Would you agree that an enemy that cannot be seen is an enemy that has a tactical advantage?
This simple, yet effective tactic has ensured the survival of some of the oldest living creatures on the planet.
Tu ne mets aucun effort dans ton samefag Pierre ibn parisi al-mcdonaldi, applique toi s'il te plait.
Il y a probablement plus de distance entre nous deux qu'entre toi et l'afrique.
ok so that article backs up my claim that the raptor would have the stealth advantage.
>Beyond Visual Range combat is usually won by the aircraft which detects its enemies before being detected. If radar is used:Raptor detects PAK FA with 0.01m2, using the APG-77 at ~40 nautical milesPAK FA detects Raptor with 0.0001m2 at ~15 nautical miles.
It clearly states that using an IRST would detect the f-22 at a max of 20 miles, the range of f-22 radar is double that already.
Thanks for backing up my claim with some proof.
I love those country bals, they're so cute when they bully each other.
Vem gav oss flyktingarna? Ryssland? Nej, USA och NATO. Du är patetisk.
but, my dear swedish anon, are we not talking specifically about the capabilities of the f-22 and its counter parts?
Why would you, in the interest of intelligent debate, bring up irrelevant information? Unless of course you now realize that you've lost the fight and are now dead panning
Why are russians so delusional?
They have no money, less manpower, less materiel and a shit tier navy.
Only thing they have going for are nukes. If those would get neutralized they would get their shit kicked in a week.
They were spending 20-25% in eighties, now like US just below 4%.
North Korea spends 25% and you see how they look and live like. Any economy that spends over 5% is considered militarized and starts bearing the brunt of economic hardships.
"Unless of course you now realize that you've lost the fight and are now dead panning"
Fuck deg , dumme faen, hva faen har USA med det og gjore, er du tilbakestaende eller? prover du og si at det ikke finns svartskaller eller gulinger i russland? Da tar du feil, Jamal.
Did I say stealth is everything? no
I said that the stealth of the f-22 gives it a distinct ambush advantage over its counter parts.
My implication is that you should not underestimate first strike capability.
I read the part that the f-22 is not the only superiority fighter, yes. But then I read the part where the article details why the f-22 would be superior due to its capability to detect its enemy before its enemy detected it.
Just as you accuse me of reading the only pro murica part, I accuse you of reading the pro russian part.
>Putin kickade ut judarna
hvorfor startet ikke han med seg selv da?
pic related, Putin about to pray to shekel gods
Kicking the jews out = Destroying the oligarches business forcing them to Russia. As a leader you can't discard every person with a specific faith, Putin obviously knows this.
Try harder mouthbreather.
He's a huge fucking retard, his posts make no fucking sense, then he calls me "Mad" probably some horny teen shilling for Russia because of natalia poklonskaya
>LOL. We can't even get a hypersonic missile made that doesn't rely on fucking GRAVITY.
But anon, two years ago the Boeing X-51 scramjet test vehicle accelerated under its own power from Mach 4.8 to Mach 5.
Are you thinking of the somewhat bungled Ozzie test later that year?
>My implication is that you should not underestimate first strike capability.
Yeah, they will most likely have the first strike.
But it doesn't mean that it would have a 100% hit chance.
Again, going back to one of my first posts.
These aircrafts will probably never fight until the next gen aircrafts hits the market. So we mgiht never know how it would play out.
That's all I was saying.
Well it's definitely not lower than a 50% chance.
your other point is well made, I do not challenge it.
Although it is clear that we compared the two fighters for the sake of argument.
Yes. Now try making a C-5 do that. This is what the Russians want to do. Also, we have 1 (one) model of hypersonic vehicle that doesn't rely on gravity, and it still relies on ballistic missile technology (it gets launched on a fucking rocket. One meant for space, but ballistic missiles were originally used for this role. see pic related.)
I'm going to leave that rant there. I was mistaken, I thought you were referring to the X-37, which is launched atop a rocket. I had no idea the x-51 was a thing. Still, to my knowledge, it is the first of its kind, a hypersonic missile that does not require a ballistic trajectory. Still, my point stands about trying to make a fucking C-5 do that. (And accomplishing it within 10 years, and building a fleet of them, a feat which would greatly surpass landing mankind on the moon.)
well it does say that in the article, while the pak is better, when it comes to dogfights pilot skill trumps his plane.
I would argue that american pilots have more experience and training overall. Both russian and american pilots have no combat experience dogfighting.
You nerds, US will prevent any air attacks due to the hundreds of bases throughout the earth. Those bases will basically be like buffer states and that plane will be picked up by some kind of radar.
Russia has superior AA and ground in
their homeland but they have no way to get it across the ocean. They could easily wreck the EU but once again, those are buffer states for USA.
USA has such a good defense because it has a better offense militarily.
Russia and USA should be friends though. Both should remove EU. China I don't know what to do about. Let them stay I guess.
Really the United States should be focusing on the invaders of Mexico. Russia should do the same with their Muslims.
TL;DR: Russia should be friends with USA.
Remove EU, kebab, and Mexicans.
Yeah, hypersonic 100+T capacity cargo planes are essentially impossible with today's engine and materials capabilities.
The X-51 OTOH is envisioned to be a 500-600 nmi Mach 5-6 weapon (AAM?) delivered in the next 5-10 years.
Probably a huge waste of money aside from the research benefits, but my point was that actual hypersonic missiles are quite close contrary to your hyperbolic side note.
The Leo 2 has never seen combat in its service history, Afghanistan doesn't count either. High intensity combat like the battles fought in the 1st and 2nd Gulf War is what matters, only the Abrams and Challenger 1/2 have ever had their systems tested.
You Lithuanians really are the shit-tier Baltic state.
It's a bunch of Suomi PK knock-offs tied together to all fire at once during a strafing run over a battlefield.
I saw a an-225 land and take off in fairbanks alaska it was breddy cool
You saw THE An-255 land. There's only one of them and it is owned by the Glorious Ukrainians, not the scummy Russians.
I feel like the USA and Russia should probably be the greatest allies at this stage; We are at a point where it becomes increasingly possible for third world idiots to produce nuclear weapons and we are the only two countries to really know what a nuke fight would really be like, we are the only two countries to have seriously and repeatedly stared down that gun barrel and seen the horror first hand. We should be leading the effort to stop idiotic dictators around the world from getting ahold of these damn things.
Also we both like blowing up Muslims, so we have something fun to do on Saturday nights.
You know, Russia should have just taken all the things it paid for rather than letting Ukrainians both claim their engineer is superior and unique AND that any Russian based machinery they also produce is proof Russians are invading Ukraine. Without the factories or planes, Ukraine would need to truly have it's own unique equipment and no confusion would occur.
Did WWII and WWI teach you nothing about tanks, or what makes a good one?
The real question is what the fuck is going on here?
I don't buy it. I could've gone along with it until the "50 tanks" part showed up. No. That will not happen in 9 years. If I asked my professors (finishing up an aerospace degree), they would laugh me out of their offices.
A good b8 has a good dose of delicacy and spice.
The delicacy is that of a raging hog. Your first sentence totally blows it out of the water. Like you're insulting me instead of trying to bait me. And honestly why do you think I give a shit about your opinion? You're supposed to intimidate me you twat.
The spice was not spicy. It's like you wanted to make spicy food, but instead you put in salt. I don't even know what the fuck do you mean in your second sentence, is that supposed a compliment?
If you're going to do this in the future, straighten the fuck out. It's like watching a lanky faggot in a gym doing stupid shit + in poor form.
>on a grunt
wtf man? why would you post this?
Its bad enough reading all this dogfighting shit in the 29th century and all but you just take it a whole lower level here.
They armed with laser cannons yet? The best your negroes and latino soldiers can hope for is an m4 or better yet a tomson mg cuz fuck m4.
WARFARE with Russia has been a no go since napoleon. The Russians have solidified their hold on the lands around the Rus and that is their zerg spawning grounds. Russian history has been one of constant BRUTAL wars, one after another. This does things to the Genetics of a people. USA is an immigrant nation, it has a whole mix of shit from all over the world. But most of what it has is degenerates running away from their home nations to do things in the USA that they couldnt do at home otherwise. These kind of people will never give their 100% for america. If you have no more white people left you have no more LOGISTICS left. without it you are finished. Russia simply has to drag out any war or just not engage in one and watch as the old europe get bred out and america goes the way of the mexico/brazil.
This ladies and gents is called TRUE biological warfare. The merchant being one the most potent of said weapons.