Porn is completely degenerate whether you are a theist or atheist.
It distorts the mind and twist a healthy perspective of the human body. It causes addiction, lower self-esteem, depression, social anxiety, and social inhibition and social disinterest. You no loner desire to communicate with anyone because everyone is just a tit-monster or thundercock. Your distorted perception of the human body will cause insecurity and low-self esteem. In other words, a walking talking flesh urinal, a flesh object. It lowers dopamine levels and testosterone levels because of constant masturbating. As a result, you lack motivation, inspiration, and interest in normal things. If you even somehow MANAGE to bed a girl you will be incapable of performing. You will be impotent because you don't desire woman. You desire porn.
Spiritually, it causes one to focus on flesh. You eventually turn yourself into nothing more but an animal equivalent to a Bonobo where sex is all on your mind and sex can solve all your problems. You focus so much on flesh that eventually you try to fill that empty hole in your chest with flesh, desire, and orgasms. You will eventually become a selfish cunt worrying only about yourself and your needs. Instead of healthy things like love, kindness, self-control, joy, family, friends, altruism, faith and spirituality.
It is a form of cuckery. You get yourself off BY STARVING YOURSELF. It is the equivalent of being hungry and trying to satisfy yourself by watching people eat at a restaurant instead of eating yourself. Then you wonder where you went wrong.
Politically and socially, it is support of the electronic Jew as pointed out here. It eventually causes cognitive dissonance. You hate the Jew for all he has done but you invite him into your home so he can cuck you for his own personal gain. For a bunch of /pol/lacks who hate the Jew this is where you all fall.
>>43158665 If you don't look at porn or get any sort of direct sexual satisfaction, you can become bitter, grumpy and sexually frustrated. But, too much of the stuff can make you reliant on the feel good vibes, just as with any drug. With that, I could say it's like drinking. It isn't necessary, but a small amount once a day can make you live longer and perhaps be happier, whereas too much can do the opposite just as easily. Btw it's true that one drink a day can make you live longer, same with fapping.
>>43159528 >>43159528 >>43159528 >>43159528 >>43159528 Porn is a problem, BUT, it is not the actual problem. Porn is a symptom of a bigger problem. The question you need to ask yourself is why do you watch porn? What usually has to happen for your addiction to porn to be triggered? Stress, anxiety, humiliation, loneliness, trauma, bad memories, family problems, or just even boredom itself?
Once you figure out that problem then porn will become a minuscule problem.
You know what I found out? Mine was mostly boredom, anxiety, bad memories, family drama and loneliness. I went on for 10 months without porn because I replaced it with online comic books. I delved into decades of Marvel, DC, and Image stories. Even if they were considered bad stories or bad characters I enjoyed them all because the bright colors, stories, and universes connecting helped me escape.
That's how I beat it. That's one way. Also, I read the Bible as well. I delve into theology and theological history, and Biblical linguistics.
>>43159813 Disagree that mood altering with porn is the problem when addicted brains have less neural dopamine receptors. And porn addicted men continue use in spite of negative consequences you listed.
If you're into theology you might check this trad cath podcast, Libido Dominandi - Lust, Power, and Control by E Michael Jones.
>>43159813 >Porn is a problem, BUT, it is not the actual problem. Porn is a symptom of a bigger problem. The question you need to ask yourself is why do you watch porn? What usually has to happen for your addiction to porn to be triggered? Stress, anxiety, humiliation, loneliness, trauma, bad memories, family problems, or just even boredom itself? >Once you figure out that problem then porn will become a minuscule problem. This
>>43160064 >>43160064 >>43160064 >Disagree that mood altering with porn is the problem when addicted brains have less neural dopamine receptors. And porn addicted men continue use in spite of negative consequences you listed.
I'm not gonna disagree with you. My post was not an official statement nor backed up with studies. It was just an answer to someone asking for help.
Desiring another man's wife is adultery and impolite. Jesus said so.
But desiring men, children and unweded, unengaged virgin women, I don't think that's adultery or there's anything wrong with that. But that's just what I personally believe I'm not the one to declare what is good and evil, what is right and wrong.
>>43159257 >Politically and socially, it is support of the electronic Jew as pointed out here. >It eventually causes cognitive dissonance. You hate the Jew for all he has done but you invite him into your home so he can cuck you for his own personal gain. For a bunch of /pol/lacks who hate the Jew this is where you all fall.
>>43159813 >I went on for 10 months without porn because I replaced it with online comic books. I delved into decades of Marvel, DC, and Image stories. Even if they were considered bad stories or bad characters I enjoyed them all because the bright colors, stories, and universes connecting helped me escape.
>make a custom desk setup using some boxes so I can use my desk as someone would one of those trendy stand up desks >start going to the gym everyday for 3months >don't masturbate even once through out >miss a couple days because I was house sitting >don't bother going when I get back (maybe tomorrow, definitely tomorrow, really this time I will) >disassemble my custom desk setup so I can go back to playing some FPS games again >masturbate every day again >that physique that I was building up (started super thin) completely gone >back to where I started again >still no motivation
>>43160289 >>43160289 >Wrong. It increases dopamine during orgasm and stabilizes to normal levels afterwards.
Yes, you are correct, however, like drugs, your brain eventually quits building it because it depends on external sources to do so. That is why heroine and meth addict suffer so much when they don't use. The drugs causes a huge rush of dopamine and eventually the body quits producing its own because why bother the drugs will increase it. The biggest sex organ on the human body is the brain. The orgasm are rushes of dopamine for a small amount of time. Constant masturbation discourages your body from producing it anymore which leads to depression, withdrawal, irritation and other psychological problems.
>>43160289 >Wrong as well. Ejaculation causes the body to increase testosterone for sperm production. >for sperm production >for sperm producation
See that's the problem right there. Most porn watchers are ejaculating multiple times a day. So that testosterone is used to rebuild that sperm that is drained all the time. Eventually, the porn user drains more sperm then the body can replenish. As a result, it leads to mental and physical break down. You become lethargic, in other words, lazy. Your mind becomes very lazy and your body unmotivated. Why? Because the human brain is the largest sexual organ in the human body. Constant sex and masturbation leads to mental problems. However, this I admit hasn't been verified scientifically because no one can find a control group who hasn't been affected by porn in some way.
>>43160609 Cumming more than once a day everyday will deplete test over time. But doing it once a day or every second day is more than enough time for your semen levels to replenish and healthy test levels to remain.
>>43158718 Fuck you! You think you know my life story m8? I fucking suck with girls. I've gotten much better but I have a whole life legacy of spaghetti falling out of my fanny pack that it keeps me in permanent fear. Some people are just meant to be alone and porn is there for people who never could have sex with girls. God damn I am fucking mad. Were you bullied in school? Like I give a fuck, try living when the fucking GIRLS are the ones bullying you. I have lost, I blame no one but myself in that along with God for giving me all these strange disorders the doctors can't even figure out.
>>43160064 >e dude most sports gamblers watch porn on almost every bet they place.... They use it to release stress of gambling on a rigged game they will most likely lose. They cant take the stress from watching the game and just start fapping. that is extreme stress that most sports better do all the time.
>>43159257 >It is the equivalent of being hungry and trying to satisfy yourself by watching people eat at a restaurant instead of eating yourself. like they say been there done that he knows what he speaks of.
As yourself those questions. Why do you watch porn? What is it you are trying to gain? What is it you are trying to escape? Whether you are aware of it or not you watch porn for the same reason drug addicts and alcoholics do that stuff. It is a self-destructive form of recreation and escape.
>>43161616 >161616 Anyway, I used to be heavy into drugs and booze. Dropped drugs cold turkey one day and haven't looked back, but still feel the need to get fucked up. Constantly. I haven't relapsed in 6 years but the urge never goes away.
>>43161973 >>43161973 >>43161973 Looks like you replaced one addiction for another. Why did you used to do drugs and booze? That too is a symptom of a bigger problem. You seem to have had enough strong will to go cold turkey on drugs and never look back. Drugs are more powerful then porn. So there is still hope.
>>43162247 Family a shit. Both druggies. Mom came home from the hospital after having me and was doing mescaline the same day. They'd lock us upstairs and freebase coke. She's got all sorts of mental problems and has ruined our family, meanwhile my dad just ignores everything and drowns himself in his work.
>>43162342 >>43162342 >>43162342 So you got a lot of family drama then. Alright, here is what you have to do. Move out! Go all refugee and escape. Find friends or other family members that want roomates. This is what I did. It was scary, it was hard, and I didn't have a college education. I moved around a lot, went from job to job but I am now finally settled. I escaped all that. You can too.
>>43160824 >tfw 22 and am suck balls with girls (like, I cant flirt for shit) but have been inside 2 girls (during meaningful relationships), and have messed with 3 other girls pussies. I have never hooked up with a girl before though.. I suck at one night stands or being smooth enough to get laid..
I honestly have no idea how I've accomplished this much.
>>43163020 Ive quit cigarettes Ive quite weed Ive quit drinking anything but water Ive quit eating food thats terrible for me (deserts, fast food, anything that isnt from a farmers market) Ive quit playing MMOs
>>43163276 well, a lot of those things I quit before 6 months ago, all within a year
but yeah, I have the HARDEST fucking time quitting masturbating. its fucking killing me, man. I seriously spiral into a weird type of depression where I go into self loathing if I dont masturbate for more than a day.
like I didnt masturbate all day yesterday and today, and I was delivering pizzas for my job, and I went into this tangeant telling myself that I suck and I should just kill myself
like.. that never happens anymore except when I dont masturbate. and I have huge urges. I usually masturbate like 5 times a day at least, and Ive been doing this since I was 12 and im 22 now
>>43158718 > every time you use porn instead of pursuing a healthy relationship you harm yourself and your people. I use porn maybe 5-10 minutes every other day. I use 4chan 3 hours a day, which do you think really is more harmful to me? also lmao at harmful to other people. Imma watch some porn after I finish my paper, please elaborate on how this is going to harm you or anyone else.
>It can lead to excess, Anything can lead to fucking excess, drinking, eating, 4chan, sex, movies, videogames. some of us have self control
>>43163312 It's a curse. Reality letting you know what you were made for.
>>43163344 > I usually masturbate like 5 times a day at least, and Ive been doing this since I was 12 and im 22 now
Everyday since 10, stopped feeling pleasure around 15, and at 24 I still feel nothing but still must do it. I only felt some semblance of pleasure after I stopped for 3 months and did it. Nothing since again.
Replacing it with 40-50 mins on the treadmill every other day, and an hour workout out on the opposite days allowed to not even feel the need.
Consider the moth. You've seen them. I've seen them. Everyone knows what a moth is. Most people think they are the stupid bugs that fly into candles and slam themselves on lightbulbs, but that is not what moths are. They are explores, vagabond, travelers of the night. They have a God given attraction to light and light sources. This is a good thing. Their attraction to light is what helps them navigate. They sense the subtle shifts in the moon and other celestial bodies to orient themselves as they migrate though the dark mysterious landscape.
What went wrong then?
The modern world and its inventions perverted this natural attraction.
Rather then chase the stars like true children of the night they instead turn to lightbulbs, candles and other artificial light sources. They instead go after the 'more intense' version of light. The light that is near the ground. "Why chase the sky when what I need is right here?"
They do so. I saw a moth ramming against the long florescent light in my bathroom, while I was taking a cold shower. I turned my head to the other long florescent tube. It was full of dust. The charred remains of addicted moths.
There's nothing wrong with porn by nature, but it's ubiquity is problematic. It can lead to addictive behaviors as well as foster unrealistic attitudes about relationships. Distributing pornography should require a physical location - no internet sales. If people want to consume pornagraphic materials they should have to demonstrate significant interest; having it at your fingertips is unreasonable temptation.
Personally I would like more regulation. Anyone involved in filming should attend mandatory counseling provided by the producing company. Contracts for a given film/scene should be regulated and directors heavily fined for deviating from previous agreements. (for example, a director can't change a scene at the last minute to require anal sex without consent from all performers)
At the very least there should be a way to verify the age of a consumer to prevent access to minors.
It's an unhealthy habit to seek release with a prostitute, or pursuing one night stands, risking unwanted pregnancy and disease, instead of a monogamous relationship, or for a more short term release, masturbating.
Nobody got an unwanted pregnancy from masturbating. and it'd be really something to get an STD from masturbating (you'd have had to have your hand all up in infected pussy and then jerked off without washing your hands while having really chaffed skin on your cock)
>>43160609 You are completely retarded and ignorant of how dopamine agonists work. The body can produce and does produce excess dopamine, dopamine production is never an issue. The reduced release of dopamine when something pleasurable is repeated too much is because of neural pathways forming and adjusting the needed release. Alternatively, magnesium deficiency can seriously reduce your dopamine delivery due to its use in ATP which is the dopamine carrier.
>>43159257 >everyone is just a tit-monster or thundercock >not fapping to cute 2d vanilla with people in love It does have its fair share of issues, and I would never argue it's less degenerate, but I really like to think it is.
Porn is great, I own an Occulus Rift DK2 and 3D stereoscopic porn in 180-360 degree scenes with head tracking and a fleshlight is one of the best porn experiences you can have.
Everything in moderation though, too much and you can become accustomed to the dopamine hit and it will take more extreme and more novel porn to easily get off to. Porn addiction causing ED in men is starting to become quite a big thing and some men are trying to kick porn completely.
Is it degenerate? Depends how you define degenerate, for most common definitions no it's not degenerate.
>It's 2D, it's fucking drawings, your brain understand it and isn't brainwashed >No sounds, you have to imagine it >No video, it's just pictures, usually in black and white. You have to use your imagination >Almost no niggers, unless you look for terrible rape doujins. >It's not real so you can have ANYTHING you want. Long hair, short hair, small breasts, gigantic ones, human, elves, anything you can think about, it already exist.
The blessing of 2D is that you have to use your IMAGINATION for almost everything, since the fap material is just black and white pictures. And imagination actually CREATE, and DEVELOP your mind and brain. When porn actually DESTROY your mind.
I fap 3-4 times a week on the sadpanda, and i have no problems with it.
>It's humans on the screen, with real flesh, real hair, your brain is tricked and think it's the real deal, that this is the real way to have sex >There's sound, and it's usualy woman screaming non sense every 5 seconds, and very dirty talking OH YEAH FUCK ME OH YEAH YEAH YEAH AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH >It's a complete movie, no imagination needed, so your brain is in sleep mode, you don't need it >Niggers everywhere >It's real and all the woman are all relatively the same to match the taste of the basic viewer Also, the thing is,ero mangas sometimes have neat plots, and aren't just 250 pages of sex. I've never seen 3D porn that gone further that "OH IT'S THE PIZZA DELIVERY GUY, BUT I HAVE NO MONEY, WANNA SEX ??????????? XD"
>>43166222 I agree with this, I used to think of 2D as particularly degenerate, but I'm starting to think it's less harmful than the disgusting movies people watch. (Of course the actually animated stuff is so laughably bad it doesn't even compare)
Porn making the jump to the internet is what killed western civilization That is a fact Porn itself isn't degenerate but when it reached the entire planet and became a trillion dollar industry that was no longer true
It's all degenerate, but some of it is a lot less degenerate than the rest. It's fine to watch straight, penis-in-vagina or oral porn. But, in this internet age, porn usually starts there and veers into anal and watersports.
>>43179339 I'd say if you are unable to go a full week without porn and fapping just as a test of your self control and moderation, then you'll know whatever you've been doing, it hasn't been moderate.
>>43158665 depends on the person, since the pleasure of climax gives pleasure, which activates doapamine, and certain people are more sensitive to dopaminse, E.I higher predisposition to addictions, and will seek to reinforce their behavior(drinking, drugs, sex,etc)
basically it can become an addiction, and like any addiction some people would be hooked quicker than others, but the more you do it the higher you increase your chances.
>>43158718 >and your people come off it you fucking autist. some jackass watching two girls make out won't make the oh so precious "white race" go extinct. 16 year olds aren't allowed on /pol/, anyways
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