Is there anything more blue pill than the big bang theory? It seems like a clear case of brainwashing.
The big bang/atheism is the theory that in the beginning there was nothing, and then nothing magically condensed and exploded, and then all of a sudden the universe as we know it popped into existence. Nothing exploded in order to create everything.
It seems so blatantly obviously false, how can NOTHING exploded to become SOMETHING? It defies all common logic. This is what identifies it as a jewish psy op. It's a theory that is completely implausible and your own common sense and mathematics that you should know since a baby tells you that nothing cannot suddenly become something, yet it is widely accepted anyway.
It's an experiment to see how many people they can brainwash into believing something blatantly false without question just because scientists told them so. The Bible explains exactly how the universe was created by Almighty God yet most people shy away from it and give into the jewish brainwashing and believe something clearly false. By indoctrinating people into this big bang lie, they are able to more easily push them towards being good submissive goyim and doing anything an authority figure tells them without question; this led to the rise of cultural marxism etc.
It doesn't say nothing came from nothing. It says all matter as we know it was infinitely compressed in a single point and then it expanded. What we don't know is how it got there.
Who are you quoting?
>Would have been burned alive 500 years ago for being a tranny
>Therefore being a tranny is red pill now
Didn't take long for the jews to arrive in this thread. Begone demons.
Also, you clearly don't understand physics. It never says anything about something from nothing.
The point is that science will correct itself if/ when something better comes along... unlike some people.
>fedora tipping autists will defend the Big Bang if it means denouncing religion
>unknowingly, they make themselves look as retarded as the people they disagree with
come on man you gotta work on improving the quality of your bait, here have a rare pepe from my collection as a concilation prize
That "nothing" becoming everything is nothing because scientists have already explained that they don't know what was before the Big Bang, so the theory of the Big Bang is just that, a theory, because its not complete
>The big bang/atheism
Look at this degenerate atheist scientist who came up with the modern theory of the Big Bang and cosmological expansion of space.
I don't think you know what abiogenesis is.
Jesus wasn't a jew.
>king of the jews
>messiah of jewish religion
>not a jew
I actually have researched into it, the big bang is not without explanation, I suggest you read into it, it is very interesting. For starters, nothingness is inherently unstable, and from the quantum foam and virtual particles which pop into and out of existence in a perfect vacuum with cosmic expansion applied to it, it created the big bang, from the inflation that occurs everyday in the universe, our big bang has likely caused other big bangs to create other universes with completely different laws which define their physical realm. It is an endless cycle of universes, and it would be very interesting in the future to get more insight as to why quantum mechanics works this way and why nothing is unstable. By the way, if it is unreasonable to believe nothing created something, then how could god create anything. Also, the god would have to have been created if it were true, god being eternal is not any more of an explanation than the big bang, yet there is more evidence for the big bang.
well the theory came from the mind of a CATHOLIC, so there's that.....
>It seems so blatantly obviously false, how can NOTHING exploded to become SOMETHING?
Funnily enough, observations of the Observable Universe suggest that the net energy density of the Universe is actually zero. All the positive energy densities from matter, radiation, etc appear to balance the negative energy density associated with dark energy or some form of cosmological constant driving the metric expansion of space.
The Universe isn't "something" that came from "nothing", it's more like "nothing" that changed into a different configuration of "nothing".
Worse, a Catholic Priest that was trying to unify Christianity and Science. His observation of galaxies moving farther apart gave rise to his "big bang theory", or how he invisioned that God created the universe. Of course we now know that while some galaxies are moving farther apart other are moving closer together. In fact our own galaxy is not the Milkyway, but another that has collided with it. The only true scientific answer is that there is no indication that the universe ever had a beginning or if it will ever have an end.
I dont like it when scientist formulate a theory trying to put their name into science just for the sake of it, it makes it hard for our beliefs to evolve and adapt our mindset when new information is given.
We might have a good idea but there a many things in physics we still have not understood to get a good picture of how everything came into being the way it is. I'm glad that we have come into an age where more people are finding science something 'cool' and a field to pioneer in and can't wait to see what perspectives could be offered from a generation of fresh minds and humble science.
I do believe that there was a Creator but it is a faith based belief I will admit and am not ashamed, I think no one cares about community or family any more but meeting my ancestors and family one day that I didn't get to meet in this life is something I hope will happen when I die.
And to the people that say 'oh we only have this 1 life so you have to make the best out of it and immortalise yourself on earth' it is true but I say tell that to a starving baby in Africa.
>It seems so blatantly obviously false, how can NOTHING exploded to become SOMETHING? It defies all common logic.
Horseless buggies? Obviously false
Electricity? Obviously false
Speaking across great distances instantly with electricity? Obvisously false
Shitposting on korean kawaii image boards wirelessly? Obviously false
I'm not saying the big bang doesn't sound ridiculous, but looking at it from how you as a human understand things has go to be some sort of fallacy
That infographic is retarded as fuck. "Khazar" Jews are equally as vile as Jews from Isfahan and Sephardic jews. If they call themselves Jewish, they're typically the same parasitic fucks.
But go on. Worship your saturnian jew god.
>Of course we now know that while some galaxies are moving farther apart other are moving closer together. In fact our own galaxy is not the Milkyway, but another that has collided with it. The only true scientific answer is that there is no indication that the universe ever had a beginning or if it will ever have an end.
You're mistaking one galaxy eventually colliding with another as implying that Red Shift isn't occurring.
And, no, that isn't the only "true" scientific answer. There is more evidence of a singularity than the universe not having a beginning.
Then again, this is /pol/; so, jokes on me.
Well I like to see it as a probability and if you take the 1 question does this God being exist or not you have a 50/50 chance so it would be unwise have a set mindset.
I like to think God has conveyed his message to all of mankind in different ways and languages but we have lost the original messages given to all our forefathers and have made our own Religions and nothing is spiritual anymore.
Leave all that aside and I find the words of Jesus to be challenging and very poetic
>That's some great proof you have there
I can prove to you that yhvh isn't god.
It totally fucking impossible, because "god" wouldn't need animal sacrifices and constant ball-licking from his worshippers.
Physicist here, been on 4chan for the past 7 years, definitely long enough to know that you're 100% percent serious, and I came to inform you that you're 100% right. We came up with it back in the day in order to test new propaganda methods. The science behind it is fairly sound, but we made up all of the starting axioms.
>Leave all that aside and I find the words of Jesus to be challenging and very poetic
Then you're a fucking retard. Jesus never left any worthwhile philosophy that stands on it's own and was just a wondering kike jewing people all over Israel.
No you moron I SAID THE CHRISTIAN GOD doesnt exist.
It is possible for some extrauniversal alien lifeform to be the creator of our universe, but to claim its a benevolent deity that wants you to be altruistic to everyone is downright retarded.
Holy shit you're stupid. It doesn't explain where the mass comes from; it only tells us that the condensed mass expanded. Doesn't say where the math came from.
Do you really think that God created the Earth in 7 Earth days when the Earth and the sun didn't even exist, you fucking downie?
Actual nuclear physicist here with a PhD in hyper-polarization of noble gases through hybrid spin exchange optical pumping.
No one cares about your grades. no. one. bachelors degree... fucking worthless.
God is real, I talk to him, he tells me jews are going to hell because they lied about the holocaust, and also the big bang is a sham.
By math, I meant mass*.
How can people that genuinely believe in the scientific method accept the Big Bang THEORY as fact, when it is infact a THEORY, that might never be proven. Do they not realise that while they make the assumption of the Big Bang Theory as truth they are using faith.
Big Bang Theory does not equal science.
Big Bang Theory = demoralised nihilistic culturally marxist new age religion
I guess you could see it like that if you have no concept of time and what his words did to Rome, I don't though. But I'm trying to go through all the gospels not just the ones in the cannon given by Constantine
Well as I said it's a faith based relationship, if it's not true I wouldn't care.
And if you cannot see the benefit in having an altruistic virtue then that's your prerogative.
The big bang theory was proposed by a Catholic priest.
The steady state theory, which is coming back into chic, is the theory of an eternal (sounds pretty theistic to me) universe which has always been and always will be, which was mostly backed by Secular humanists when the Big Bang theory came out, fearing religious and papal influence in science.
60 years later and the connotations have switched. Go figure.
>time and what his words did to Rome
The kike said nothing new or revolutionary. He was a mad essene-cult rabbi preaching to illiterate goat herders and got executed.
The fact that the jews pushed his hybrid jew-cult religion into the mainstream doesn't mean his teachings actually have any value, which they don't. All this assumes he even existed.
A reminder for all the Godless atheists on this forum
A man can no more diminish God’s glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word darkness on the walls of his cell.
-C S Lewis
You are a joke. You understand nothing, and neither do your scientists.
Astronomers have discovered a curious empty section of space which is missing around 10,000 galaxies.
The ‘supervoid’, which is 1.8 billion light-years across, is the largest known structure ever discovered in the universe but scientists are baffled about what it is and why it is so barren.
It sits in a region of space which is much colder than other parts of the universe and although it is not a vacuum, it seems to have around 20 per cent less matter than other regions.
Although the Big Bang theory allows for areas that are cooler and hotter, the size of the void does not fit with predicted models. Simply put, it is too big to exist.
Hey there faggot. I see your are conflating atheism with science! Nice try retard, but you're wrong.
Atheism= lack of belief in god/gods
Big Bang= best scientific theory about the start of our universe
They have literally NOTHING to do with each other. The rest of your post was so fucking stupid I won't even bother responding.
>The universe must have had a creator
>but god doesn't need one because logic is useless
This is what retards like you (read: theists) actually believe.
no because "social Darwinism" is a fucking inhumane way to set up a society. Catholics and Orthodox Christians have absolutely no problem with evolution lol.
Once again, American protestants sully the name of Christ.
Lacking belief in a claim takes no faith. What takes faith is to force yourself to pretend you believe in something that makes no sense and which carries no logic with it.
I don't have anything to prove, I don't have any belief or faith about your shitty sky fairy. I don't believe. That takes 0 faith.
>This is what morons believe. I'm a fucking atheist too.
Yes, you fucking goy. When you have the entire international jewish financial system stemming from Rome to Isfahan behind your cult, it's gonna spread fast.
good job. you've just realized that our universe lacks any frame of reference.
we are simply energy with infinitely new sets of possible quantum fluctuations every second slowly being toyed with by fundamental forces of nature and entropy
Yeah, it's funny that the progressive/socialist movement was a religious response to percieved secular liberalism / libertarianism.
A century later and libertarianism and the like are considered the last vestige of freedom for the religious warriors, etc etc.
Personally I just think it shows that you should never equate science and theory with emotional and power-oriented politics.
Hurts all philosophical parties
Republicans are pro social darwinism (now called the free market).
The vast majority of Republicans are Christians. You can not get into the Republican party if you are not a Christian.
Though they are laxing that a bit. Romney was a Mormon and I'm surprised it was so readily accepted by other Christians. It too Catholics awhile to gain acceptance. But I guess they decided it was either a Mormon or a nigger.
the light simply has to be traveling through some sort of plane. we dont know for sure that the universe is expanding faster than lightspeed because how can you see what is beyond light?
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.…
The point in history referred to in Genesis is fact. It is being misinterpreted however. The Universe was not created physically around us at the time. No, it was the point in which God flicked the switch and provided humans self-conciousness, faith and angency. It resulted in a higher-awareness of everything around us, the World, the Universe, each other and of God that separated us from animals. The Universe might have been around for millions of years but we did not have a greater awareness until we were provided the light from God a few thousand years ago. Is there any evidence of enlightened man prior to just over 6000 years ago when Creation happened?
Speak for yourself m8 I'm at peace with myself and my circumstance
As I said you have no grasp of the times they lived in.
They wouldn't even let you have a fire brigade in Ancient Rome because some rulers were so power hungry and corrupt they thought people who formed any sort of group would be a hazard to the State's rule.
Right after Jesus was persecuted the clamp down on his teachings were being exercised in full force by Rome and it says the disciples hide away in fear of death, the only reason they decided to risk their lives in the end I believe was because they saw Jesus had indeed risen from the grave.
Also his coming was foretold even down to how much Judas would sell him for, and I don't like apologetics but I will say they found evidence for Pontius Pilate the man who gave Jesus over to the Zionist Jews who mocked him and had him murdered.
Mormons, Evangelicals, Lutherans, Anglicans, Episcopalians, etc. are all heretics.anyway, and Protestants like those make up the bulk of the American conservative religious right.
If the religious right in America was Catholic, or Orthodox, you would have much less problems.
I don't care about your stupid book. I can write
"In the beginning was the universe" on a piece of toilet paper and it holds the same amount of truth value. 0.
You are actually too stupid to argue with though so I will just lay out the logical formula for you.
1 Everything that exists must have a cause
2 Every cause must have a cause itself
3 Without breaking this chain of causation we would never get to this current point of time
There must have been an "uncaused cause."
Premise 3 and 1 are very easily challenged.
If you allow them, and you want an uncaused cause, you say it's god. But why couldn't it be the universe itself? You say god is the uncaused cause, I say you are adding complexity without reason which is against the laws of logic. The simpler answer is, if ANYTHING could always just "be" then it would be the universe, not some fucking stupid sky fairy who created the universe.
And if you say the universe COULD NOT have just existed forever, then I say neither could your god.
This is as far as you need to think to understand that argument for god is shit and yet I am guessing in your infinite arrogance and cognitive dissonance you will refuse to give up your shitty retarded religious belief which makes no sense and only serves to pat you on the dick.
>doesn't understand that the big bang is a theory that explains the inflation of the universe, and posits nothing about its ultimate origin other than a "singularity"
yeah, fuck off faggot
obvious straw man
the big bang theory proposes that we can only see as far back in time as to that point when all matter was infinitely dense, it says nothing about there being nothing before that point
You got it! You're close to understanding the true meaning of Genesis, a near perfect fable that tells us so much about our natures.
Do you know why Genesis says that we started to die when Even and Adam ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil? What other animal is aware of their death? none other.
But were they really thinking about the Universe and God when they were doing cave paintings and hitting things with rocks to make other rocks to hit things with? No these were just a response to their surroundings with no significant sense of higher self-awareness.
thanks for pointing out this very well known fact to me. do you have any other platitudes you wish to share?
calm down, maybe the Universe is in God? or God is in the Universe? when it comes to this it is hard to differentiate them. Doesn't diminish belief in God.
I didn't say that you moron. I said that "God existing forever, then creating the universe, is more complex than saying the universe existed forever" And that by adding that extra layer of complexity you are breaking the laws of logic instead of going with the answer that makes more logical sense. If there is an "uncaused cause" then logic dictates that it should simply be the universe itself i.e. existence. Not that it should be a fucking sky fairy.
I would say nice try but it wasn't.
I didn't say Kennedy was you saviour
I said if your religious right was Catholic instead of heretic protestant, you would have much less problems with their snake handling tongue speaking science denying bullshit
Actually it does because the word god doesn't mean anything anymore in that sense. "Maybe the universe is in god?" This is just stupid hippy mumbo-jumbo and again makes the words mean nothing.
The universe means ALL EXISTENCE. At least that is the useful terminology of it. Saying "all existence is in god" is pointless because again you don't define god as anything useful, yet you imply god is both in and out of existence.
It becomes hard to differentiate them because retards don't even know what they are talking about when they speak of god. They fail to define god and that is part of the reason the discussion starts so poorly. People are so stupid that they don't even know what they mean when they speak.
Belief in god is pretending to believe in something while at the same time not even knowing what you believe in. It is the ultimate form of stupidity.
>They wouldn't even let you have a fire brigade in Ancient Rome because some rulers were so power hungry and corrupt they thought people who formed any sort of group would be a hazard to the State's rule.
You're literally retarded. Go fuck an abo you stupid fuck.
What is the cult of Mithras? What is the Cult of Baal? Etc. They had plenty of religious institutions. The difference is none of them proclaimed themselves as the only true religion, at the same time opposing the personal power of the emperor.
That's why the Romans disliked Christians. Because they were seen as a more cunty version of jews.
I'd say the belief in God Himself is not the belief that affects believers behavior most, but rather the associated logical conclusion and premises that arise from the root idea of God.
This is due to the admittedly muddled and confusing nature of God (near impossible to explain and define), and is why the Church is centered around God in His intelligible form, Jesus Christ.
just my opinion
i actually like what you're saying here about "light switch" metaphor. I'm reading The Ascent of Man right now, and i think i can posit a slightly less ridiculous theory than muh god however.
The cave paintings were early NOMADIC art painted by a lonesome person who would wander away from the rest of the tribe and delve into a higher cognitive state where he could create an immortal imprint of the world he saw around him.
These cave paintings were pretty much the only forms of art nomads left behind. They are crude because they are were drawn over a brief time while the camp would rest and continue the journey or the hunt soon. There is no way to take anything that is not of immediate survival value along with you when you're an early homo sapien nomad.
Around the same time, however. In tribes that learned how to grow crops, many other forms of art were being created. The probable reasoning behind why sedentary culture was not producing art as old as nomadic cultures could be the amount of protein they were eating. Nomadic diet consisted heavily of protein from animals, which allowed the frontal lobe (the origin of our consciousness) to grow abnormally quick, coupled with our obvious evolutionary advantages. Nomads actually did fairly well. It isnt until later that we see the Nomadic way of life is unsustainable and the agricultural revolution really unfolds.
So you're saying that the universe came to be birthed outside the bounds of logic but it couldn't have been done by something outside the bounds of logic?
I see. Thank you for enlightening me.
>How can people that genuinely believe in the scientific method accept the Big Bang THEORY as fact, when it is infact a THEORY, that might never be proven. Do they not realise that while they make the assumption of the Big Bang Theory as truth they are using faith.
>Classic Aussie shitposting
A theory has already been proven you dipshit, and anyone with a brain doesn't take it as complete infallible fact, its just the best explanation that we have due to our current understanding of matter, physics, and spacetime; when a more advanced theory comes around, it will replace it.
The problem is, is that we are trying to rationalise the birth of the Universe within the laws and bounds of logic of the Universe itself. What if the Universe is a closed system? And the laws the govern the creation of the Universe exist outside the observale laws and logic of Universe itself and are entirely abstract to us. We might never be able to rationalise the laws that governed the creation of the Universe because they are abstract. The current laws which describe our current Universal system may point to intelligent design but we can't currently know for certain and may never know for certain. That's where faith comes in. Creationism admits itself to be a faith system. However the Big Bang THEORY is all to often accepted as a fact even though it implies uncertainty and faith.
I was making the point they were a very controlling state even down to such a thing like a fire brigade.
And if you read some history books like transcripts of roman heads of state and the understand unwarranted paranoia they had instead of believing everything you read in a google search you might get a better perspective m8
Like I said, there is nothing profound about the spread of Christianity. It started roughly about the same time as Mithraism and only became the official religion when Emperor Constantine started suffering from schizophrenic delusions.
I'm shocked it even took so long to gain popularity, seeing as the jews pretty much became goy-shepherds upon it's rise to popularity.
> everything that exists must have a cause
>every cause must have a cause
>except for God because he is like super powerful and stuff lmao XD
How deluded do you have to be to actually believe this?
Believing God created the universe will always be more red pill than trying to explain how the universe was made as fact.
Look around you on a sunny day. All the complexity that goes into everything in your field of vision alone is astounding, let alone our planet which is precisely placed just close enough to harbor life as it does. There's just too many perfect factors about our planet in a supposedly chaotic universe to not think there was some sort of divine plan.
>i have no idea what caused life
> therefore an invisible man with magic powers must have caused it!
Anyone with an iota of intelligence can see how retarded this is. Religion is the ultimate bluepill.
>wow so much complexity in the world wow
>surely this must be from intelligent design and not from decentralized processes such as evolution
I am not claiming to know how the big bang was caused, but that doesn't mean I should believe in a fairy tale written by cavemen.
>sending his son (who is also him) on a 33 year suicide mission filled with neat-o magic tricks and a zombie twist ending to circumvent rules he set into place for humanity (which he knew we would break in the first place) is the handiwork of the father of time, intelligence, life, space, logic and knowledge and anyone who doesnt believe this deserves eternal tourture, even if they live a good life
>also he needs to be tipped like a barista every sunday lel
Nothing profound? m8 assuming you are white, you'd still be fighting your tribal enemies somewhere in the middle of Europe of your statement was true.
Do you really know who the Jews are or what races the 12 tribes actually consisted of? having completely lost track of 9 of them from before the times of Rome. I'd say the answer is no.
Or that the fact the the ones in current day Israel are in a state that's is illegitimate and after the temple fell they should have been scattered across the earth?
You must not confuse wolves in disguise(false prophets) and sheep
>not realising that the true red pill might have been the "ultimate bluepill" laying in plain sight
>not understanding that we were indoctrinated over the course of the 20th century through multiple generations of social engineering
Ideological subversion was the technique used to socially engineer us. It realises the importance of not covering up the truth, and oftens positions the truth in plain sight and tricks us to think it is false.
Sounds similar to someone I've heard before.....who was that again.....
>fungus grows on a sock behind a toilet
>There's just too many perfect factors about this sock in a supposedly chaotic bathroom to not think there was some sort of divine plan.
>You shall not allow a woman to live who practices sorcery. Exodus 22:18
>You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day must be a Sabbath day of complete rest, a holy day dedicated to the LORD. Anyone who works on that day must be put to death. Exodus 35:2
>Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. Leviticus 25:44
>Christians believe this
>mfw Jesus was a hebrew and Christians everywhere worship him
So a near infinite amount of space and matter given a few billion years COULDNT POSSIBLY have hit the sweet spot for the development of life without some creator directing it?
Run the numbers on that and get back to me on just how "special" our planet is
And the universe is nowhere near as chaotic as you're imagining
Maybe our universe lies within a fabric of infinite singularities within an outside system which is not governed by the same laws and logic that govern our Universe. We might exist within a space of outside nothingness, no space, no time, no matter, which might also exist in a state of nothingness. How do you determine the laws of logic that governs a place with no space, no time or matter. Does God exist within that place of nothingness?
It's just based on the idea that everything was the same in the past as it is today, so if you look at the universe expanding today, you can assume that at one point everything was in the same place. It's a theory with basically nothing to it.
You're right, and that is why I generally consider myself anti-theist. Because the concept of god confuses people and then religions use that to control people. It is evil.
Better that we drop the whole idea and stick with what we know instead of what we "feel" or like to believe. Atheists, and even anti-theists, can be very spiritual. It just takes a different form that doesn't drive logical conclusions like the idea of a god does. It is a healthier form of spirituality imo.
yes it is one of the most proven methods to provide people with a greater purpose to maintain a level of social order for civilisations to exist. People require a greater sense of purpose otherwise they just go full nihilistic and everything falls apart. Proving my earlier statement:
Contemporary "science" is just a neutered new-age, more accessible and inclusive universal version of religion to provide people with an understanding enough of the Universe to co-operate enough with the social-system.
However it's inherent nihilism is quite damaging in my opinion, leading to extreme versions of liberal deviancy we see today.
Well considering an estimated 108 million people have died in wars in the 20th Century (an estimated 150 million to 1 billion throughout history) that ''belief in life'' seems to be working pretty well for us.
uhhh? so the fabric of singularities being the fifth dimension?
the only thing that gives physics and the universe meaning or laws, is simply the interaction between quanta. there is no universe where there is no energy. it is just void.
I imagine the outside of the universe looking something like this, with other universes floating around as visible objects and God somewhere in there.
Actually I am only saying that we are using faulty logic when saying a god made the universe, and that in all probability we are akin to ants in a garden and cannot even comprehend the full "truth" of things.
That doesn't mean we just go and believe whatever the fuck though because beliefs have consequences.
Not all wars are due to religion, but there have been many conflicts (such as the crusades or modern day jihad) that are waged by religious fanatics determined to punish non believers. Also, both the Bible and Quran encourage followers to kill non believers/infidels.
yeah who knows but the Big Bang Theory and suggests that there must be a system or absense of system outside of our universe to exist. How can we over know what the laws of logic of that system outside of our Universe were? How can we determine the laws of Physics which govern a void of space and time matter? This is shit that keeps me up at night.
A lot of the wars in the 20th Century was happening because of the disruption in social order that occured upon abandonment of old traditions in favour of new schools of thought and "revolutions" as well.
I agree with this. Its just silly when people out right say stuff like: "All the wars ever were over religion!" or "If we all abandon religion we would be so much more peaceful!"
it's really just all about higher physical dimensions, anon..
The LHC has found that the projected mass of the Higgs Boson does not match what it should be to make our universe "stable". This lead many of the particle physicists to now believe the multiverse theory may hold some weight (literally) as the answer to the diminished mass of our unstable quantum friend may lie in another or all of the other verses. Therefore, your search for a unifying fabric of reality may lie in superstring theory or M-theory or the like.
One thing is almost certain, classical particle physics is on it's dying breath.
>classical particle physics is on it's dying breath.
hence why I find it silly that this sort of stuff was being taught as "fact" when there was a level of uncertainty and faith to it. Its no different to Creationism as a form of faith just a lot more nihilistic.
it is fact. just because it doesn't describe the overarching problems that the quantum revolution covers. it's still physics anon... it's just physics at subatomic scales. It laid the foundation upon which quantum mechanics could be studied.
Sorry to say, the abrahamic religions are incredibly archaic and will hold no bearing but as a children's fairytale in the future.
not to mention, in 150 or so years, the age of aquarius will be upon us and we'll still have the same old goddamn Jesus story representing pisces because nobody gives two shits about astronomy anymore, much less astrology.
now you're talking
this is that top tier shitposting we expect from you down unda
keep it up
Please don't reproduce.
>science is the same as religion XD fallacy.
Creationism = god said it.
Science = a reasoned set of explanations and examinations of the empirical world.
The conclusions or premises explored in many scientific theories CAN and ARE found to be true or false but each works towards the other
Creationism has no real productive potential because it starts with a presumed to be infallible conclusion.
Thankfully there have been some religious scientists that still exercised skepticism beyond a magic "poof" into existence.
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables
Classical particle physics isn't "a reasoned set of explanations and examinations of the empirical world."
It is outdated, hence it is no longer science. And how can we say that quantum physics all together are a viable explanation of the empirical world? Is the world at the quantum level the empirical world will we ever be able to actually examine the quantum level instead of use mathematics to interpret the quantum level based on a few assumptions. I understand that science is in constant process of refinement but to this day we can not say that quantum physics is the truth, it is not for certain.
>muh holy texts
you never wanna go full kebab, anon
you realize quoting bible passages makes you an unappealing conversation partner, right?
Sorry, but the bible prophesying its own doom at the end of the age is nothing new. Moses destroyed the golden bull and brought forth the new commandments for the age of aries. Then jesus comes along with his marxism and pushes aside the greedy jews who prospered from the old testament, and imposes a new socially conscious order.
Now come to /pol/ where we see chimp out threads daily. The time of technocratic resource-based socialist libertarianism is nigh. Away with ye, blasphemer from the forgotten age.
I wasn't claiming all wars had religion behind them, just pointing out that humanity has a fucked up value of life. Taking all the lives lost to murder, war and genocide along with the numerous species of animals we have driven into extinction through destruction of habitat and over hunting it's laughable to think we have any value for life at all.
yeah that's exactly why a form of belief and/or rationalised purpose of life is needed to implemented into ourselves because otherwise humans by default do not give there life or any other life any value by default. Our brains are also very malleable too and can be programmed fairly easy.
Imagine for example if we found that we are only a virtual simulation, it would be scary because a lot of people would immediately rationalise that their life or no-one elses life has no value and show no hesitation in killing themselves or others.
>The big bang happened, like it or not.
I agree, but that doesn't stop there being an immense amount of speculation and disingenuous scientific "theory" being made about it. Honestly, it seems that research into the Big Bang theory has, for the most part, hit a brick wall that only affords progression on shaky footing at best.
Really though, so are things like evolution and the theory of relativity. While the scientific community tries to prove theories, for the most part they progress on without them, assuming that they are accurate enough to have practical relevance. The problem though - as we saw a few years ago with a failed light experiment - is that if something foundational is wrong or inaccurate, then potentially years of theoretical work and study can be wasted.
With regards to matter/energy conservation, sure (he still got some things on mechanics a bit wrong but that's another subject) - you can't create energy but you can change how it's broken up and distributed.
Systems are statistically more likely to move towards a configuration which maximizes entropy so "something" spontaneously appearing out of "nothing" is extremely unlikely but not impossible. There's a theoretical precedent for it in the manifestation of virtual particles.
Quantum physics is as solid of a field as relativity or electromagnetism - the predictions it makes work and can be derived from the theory's first principles.
>It seems so blatantly obviously false, how can NOTHING exploded to become SOMETHING?
Except it doesn't say that. You can't look before the big bang, or even theorise as to what may have been before the big bang, or even, really, philosophise about what may have been before the big bang, as there is no time before the big bang, thus there is no before to be had.
You can say pic realted, but it's pure conjecture, as there's no way to gather observational evidence, nor any way to mathematically calculate what came before the singularity. It's no better a guess than "God", the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or a giant magical pony, save maybe in the smoothness of consistency.
Big bang theory says nothing about what came before the big bang - it merely says "we don't know - and we may never know.", instead of leaping directly to "God did it."
But I'll link this anyways:
Logical fallacy, you cannot expect the creator of something to be bound by its own rules. If God created everything including the laws of physics then it is reasonable to assume he is not bound by them. As an example, you would not expect the creator of the game of chess to be bound by its rules.
>the predictions it makes work and can be derived from the theory's first principles.
Wow the predictions it makes on other predictions based on theories that are based off theories that are not quite fact and may never be observed means its totally solid and factual!
>Systems are statistically more likely to move towards a configuration which maximizes entropy so "something" spontaneously appearing out of "nothing" is extremely unlikely but not impossible.
How about this, what if in every something, there is nothing, in every nothing there is everything?
We can determine some of the laws because we can observe them there are multiple dimensions and some are hypothesised some are proven
5. Kaluza–Klein combination of gravitation and electromagnetism - 5th dimension.
And there are higher ones but there is still research into those dimensions on going.
Literally everything we see (matter that can reflect light) is only 5% of everything, some of it is dead stars and debris but the work in analysing the smashed atoms at the lhc which lead to the Higgs boson discovery is believed to be associated with the dark energy out there
>As an example, you would not expect the creator of the game of chess to be bound by its rules.
Why wouldn't you quit while you were behind?
Thanks for showing me this I wasn't aware of these new developments into Kaluza-Klein/higher dimension order of physics. I had always speculated that light and quantum physics was operating beyond our current observable dimensions.
>However the Big Bang THEORY is all to often accepted as a fact even though it implies uncertainty and faith.
Excuse me sir, your scientific ignorance is showing.
The alternative is even stupider.
There exists one superpowerful being who has always existed and exists for absolutely no reason without being created by anything.
This superpowerful being somehow has the ability to create anything from nothing instantly and to do anything and be everywhere at every time.
Instead of creating another superpowerful being to be its bro, it decided to create useless simple creatures that do nothing but eat and fuck, because evidently that's more amusing.
A misplaced, false even, belief in a deity/higher power wouldn't keep me sane. Life inherently has no meaning and we can't prove otherwise. The universe is a muddled and chaotic series of events that we can't (and probably never will) be able to explain.
When is the cube.
If time wasn't a dimension, the cube would exist everywhen at once.
Time is a coordinate. We're just stuck traveling on one direction on its axis.
Unless you're building your own model of the universe, time is a dimension.
Cool if you feel sane enough with your nihilistic perspective of the universe that is fine. Keep in mind that is your choice to live that life and run from God but God is always there to provide you the order if you ever need it my friend.
>Wow the predictions it makes on other predictions based on theories that are based off theories that are not quite fact and may never be observed means its totally solid and factual!
Sounds like you haven't read up much on the last... 120-odd years of physics.
The Higgs is a predicted boson connected with a mechanism predicted by Peter Higgs and Francois Englert which determines why some particles have mass and why others like photons and gluons, do not.
Space and time are not, strictly speaking, independent of one another. Fields and intertial paths exist in four-space.
Okay Zionist pharisee the bible is bullshit they didn't predict anything not the Kings arrival and we all just knew one day people would start believing what they saw on TV instead of what was written on their hearts, it was bound to happen right?
And this is with the assumption everyone was even believing when the verse I posted was written.
All cultures talk about the ages of man we are in the last age the Clay and Iron Age. Don't believe me? Look at the iron cities as to the mud brick ghettos
>Sounds like you haven't read up much on the last... 120-odd years of physics.
yeah I'll get to it after I'm finished reading and internalising the Bible and then a lot of early science literature, making my eventual way chronologically up to contemporary science to see for myself just how solid it is thank you very much.
Do something with your life that is the opposite of what Christianity has done, i mean if we are all brain washed and backwards you should be doing something that is 180 of what most people are doing.
You cant comprehend that humans formulating the idea of God was part of the universal mathematics of the universe. You just cast it aside as worthless and pretend you have everything figured out, while you pretend you are the most enlightened generation known to man yet there have been atheists thought out history with the same exact pretentious behavior. It all comes down to you not analyzing it for yourself. You just think that because some asshole says god is a magik being in outer space thats what everyone understands god as....... thats exactly how stupid you are, a childs way of thinking
I'm not that bothered to be honest. Figuratively speaking, if there was a god, I'm confused as to why he'd send me to an eternity in hell just because I chose not to believe in him/her/it/whatever when I had no rational evidence to prove otherwise. Is God, an omnipotent being really that fucking vein?
Christ fulfilled the prophecys of the jews, he told them he came to abolish their laws because they were of the devil. He told them if you follow me you will be saved. As we can see there are still a bunch of jews that do not follow christs prophecy and they suffer because of it.
Would you argue that jesus's was of doctrine is false? Would you rather a society that is centered around Law and only law (the way we are headed because of you autists) Should no one care of this morality?
You idiots like to think this shit was written by god when its writers only claim god instructed them, MENAING they were able to formulate what they viewed as a great teaching for mankind. Go ahead destroy all notion of this religion, do you not think the exact opposite of "utopia" can occur on this earth?
Yes but the reason because it could relate to dark energy is because there simply is not enough mass our there the account for the vastness so the term dark is used for the massive spaces that seem to 'hold' everything in place
Just because you cannot see a UV ray does not mean it's not there, and because we observe gravity which is the curvature of space-time by mass warping we know 'time' is a property that can be 'measured' or at least added to a list of things we are still understanding
Reality contains itself so it cannot have an external cause. reality is all of existence. if X was created by Y, and X is real, then Y is also real. therefore reality is a self-creating process. this process by which the universe (reality) generates itself is comparable to a reflexive, self-selecting algorithm or function, and is isomorphic to 'consciousness' in that it is perceptual in nature and relies on information processing. this self-caused process inflicts constraints on itself informationally by perceiving and 'reflecting' on the information, which results in structure, and thus increasingly complex structures by recursion. This structure is describable as a language, where the components (symbols) of it could be mapped (isomorphically) to the 'material', i.e. represented as physical quanta to a perceiving entity, where the laws of physics are comparable to the syntax of the language. ultimately i think it is appropriate to qualify the 'perceiver' in which this 'language' has been constructed (from which all systems in the universe, including our own minds, are patterned) as a mind. 'before' this self-generation there was an unbound 'ground-state' of infinite potential (no constraint--no structure required to explain). the system brings itself into existence as a means of atemporal communication between its past and future whereby law and state, syntax and informational content, generate and refine each other across time to maximize total systemic self-utility
Humankind has sought a simple, universal theorem representing the ultimate building block of nature. In searching, we have learned that energy and matter are complementary states of reality. Self-Utility -- A Theory of Everything explains how within this universal design principle, "process" is also a complementary state of this same reality. Within this informational framework lies this unifying theory of existence -- Self-Utility. Self-Utility represents a model of internal attributes that initiate causal outcomes. Self-Utility is an intrinsic determinism that wills its host's animation, wellbeing, and its existence! Self-Utility is inherent in humans, animals, plants, social systems, institutions, organizations, rocks, atoms, energy, ideas and even the cosmos itself. Self-Utility unites a diversity of "-ologies" under its common discipline. Personal application of this theory empowers us with a cognitively heightened sense of understanding, of insight, and of control over our behavior and ultimately of whom we are. Embracing the concept of Self-Utility gives us a reference to understand the dynamics of vast interacting networks of any type. It allows us to predict values and allegiances, thus ultimately predicting the behaviors of people, organizations and objects. And it empowers us to direct our being through interrelating cycles of influence. Self-Utility brings order to our whimsical World of whirling dervishes as if in a mystic circus.
Because God provides a set of fundamental rules or comamdments which are optimised to ensure the continuation of healthy civilised humanity generation to generation (assuming that everyone follows these commandments). Hell was created as the deterrent. A couple of hundred years ago, people started to get the idea that they could create a utopia or heaven on Earth, only if they disobey some of the commandments however. Now we are starting to see some results of how damaging this is to maintaining generation to generation of this in modern day liberalism because they have more self-centered views and morals where they performin hedonistic acts of pleasure seeking, following their dick tingles and vaginal tingles, illicit drug taking without any form of restraint while disregarding that they might be jeopardising the next healthy generation.
When you start up a mathematical algorithm that creates life do you think god has the ability to intervene?
This mathematical algorithm has suffering and pleasure.
God is the programmer, he turned on the computer and the program booted up and only has the ability to shut the computer off, that is a pretty easy way to understand it. So you pretty much curse god for giving consciousness to you....
There's definitely a lot of fucked up things happening in the modern world but it's definitely not because of junkies chasing a high or faggots bumming. Seriously anon?
True, we don't have an experimentally validated model for dark matter or dark energy yet, although we have managed to rule quite a few things out.
Massive compact object distributions of matter in the halos of galaxies was for many years seen as the strongest hypothesis, but with that basically ruled out tat this point the smart money is on some kind of weakly interacting background matter.
The predominant theory for dark energy for the moment comes in the form of a kind of cosmological constant, ironic considering that Einstein tried to conjure up a similar physical constant while grappling with the implications of his own theory of general relativity that a static and eternal universe was inherently unstable. Now, however, the concept of some kind of universal constant influencing the behavior of space is not about allowing the Universe to remain static but rather explain the observed expansion of it.
Theories on a cosmological constant today suggest something like a 'cost of space', the metric expansion of space carries with it an energy cost, a negative energy density which balances out the shifting positive energy densities of matter, radiation, etc.
Wish I could stay and chat more but I've got to grade exams tomorrow. Have a nice night /pol/
pretty scary that people who think this way are the majority by over 90% of humanity.
>but muh earth created in 7 days
>b-but muh metaphors!!!
If you had the ability to exterminate every human off the face of the planet , or possibly choose a few you wanted to save. Would you do it? Wouldn't it be interesting to have that kind of power and figure out what it would feel like to actually have the entire planet to yourself?
If a man had this power in the future with a biological weapon but he had faith in Christ and decided not to use the weapon but instead hand it over to researchers to form a vaccination would you still argue Christianity was worthless?
Do you understand what the odds of intelligent life forming are? Not life, but intelligent life. Tell me the statistical odds because obviously you have them if you know for a fact what you state.
No he dosnt , these people have absolutely no ability to think outside the box. Its like when jesus was preaching to the jews, they all hated him.
95% of the people in this thread are jews, thats what they have a hard time understanding
Once we entirely reverse-engineer the software (logic, language, information processing, syntax, etc.) which governs reality, will we then be able to determine the hardware of reality and our Universe?
>Do you understand what the odds of intelligent life forming are?
Intelligent life didnt spontaneously form. Basic life (micro organisms) formed and over hundreds of millions of years evolved one species on earth out of the 90000000000001 other species to be intelligent.
Seems reasonable to me.
>how can NOTHING exploded to become SOMETHING?
I didn't get how retards can't accept the idea that the universe formed on its own from nothing, but are perfectly fine with the idea that God formed on its own from nothing.
Is an extremely hypothetical scenario such as that your only reason for Christianity having any value? Okay you faggot, when that does happen I can guarantee I'll eat my own words.
What if this self-utility accross all of our sciences is just a subjective manifestation of humanity's inherent longing for order? We wanted order and self-utility in our understanding of everything so we ordered it ourselves that day and we might eventually find that one day there actually is no greater self-utility to the universe.
what the fuck are you even talking about? they teach biblical books to children differently then what an adult interprets them as. You know like when you read alice in wonderland as a child, and re-read it as an adult.
You still have the basic 5 year olds understanding of the bible along with 95% of the people here. Your a goddam child
Yes Einstien thought his theory was the constant throughout the universe but Fritz Zwicky
who Einstien snubbed at first was the first to notice that in a cluster called the Coma galaxy cluster did not weigh up to the hypothesised weight based on visibility
>He calculated the gravitational mass of the galaxies within the cluster and obtained a value at least 400 times greater than expected from their luminosity, which means that most of the matter must be dark.
Dude, I live here. Why would I want to fuck it up, fer chrissakes? I don't want to live in shitty world. This is the true core of ethics.
Why give up your seat to someone who needs it on a bus? Because it's a shitty fucking world where people don't. Who wants to live in a shitty fucking world? Not me.
It's an way awesomer world where everyone helps out each other and isn't a dick, so, I being a subset of everyone, try to help other people and not to be a dick so that I can live in a world where everyone is like that.
Point to the place where the creator of the universe is necessary to this logic.
I don't know why I'm talking about ethics in a cosmology thread, but I've already typed all this, so fuckit.
>Do you understand what the odds of intelligent life forming are?
Drake equation runs from 2.1 to 27,000 such civilizations per galaxy, depending on what numbers you plug into it.
Granted, that assumes carbon based and very similar to us - doesn't take into account for more radical theories of alien "life" and social structures.
...and it also assumes we constitute intelligent life, and this thread kinda puts a bit of a hole in that.
How did this something get to be ?
Do you realize how fucking big the universe is?
Even if only one star system in every billion produced an intelligent species, that's still billions of intelligent species in the universe.
M8 I haven't said anything like that the entire thread fuckhead
I have simply talked about how religion is a means of rationalising the universe providing us with a greater purpose which gives us the social order to form civilisations and that science is almost a new-age form of religion.
Didn't say otherwise, but what else can you do with a question like, "Do you understand what the odds of intelligent life forming are?"
Increasingly though, potentially life supporting planets seem to be more common than we ever expected, and we're increasingly finding life living under more severe conditions than we ever expected. And yeah, universe be big, so there's little doubt it's out there, somewhere... There is some doubt, however, as to whether it's physically possible for us to ever reach or contact each other.
Personally? Probably not, there's already enough suffering in this world because of the acts of mankind, I don't see the point in adding to it. But yes, i see where you're coming from, someone with similar beliefs to my own might take the opinion that the vast majority of us are expendable (they wouldn't be wrong). That situation will never arise though.
>There is some doubt, however, as to whether it's physically possible for us to ever reach or contact each other.
There's also the question of what kind of life.
We've been around a few thousand years, depending on definition a few hundred thousand, out of billions. Worth looking at, maybe 20,000 years. And we've almost killed outselves already.
What are the odds we hit that sliver of advancement on other planets? We may find some plants that in a billion years result in intelligent life, or a planet that seems lifeless, but a billion years ago had life.
The universe doesn't expand at a particular speed, it expands at a speed per distance. Distant galaxies are “getting farther away”, but oddly enough they are not “moving away”.
I actually agree with entirely, my good sir. I misread your post, so please forgive a stoner.
It also may be mainly single-celluar or just something like RNA replicating in most places. Big, weird, self-aware colonies like us may be very rare, indeed.
You need a highly stable star system (not a lot of rocks flying around), the right chemicals, and I would go so far as to say the dynamo (Van Allen Belt) is necessary.
It's foolish to accept either as fact until its proven, until then its faith. If its faith, its religion.
also nice autism nerd
Actually, rocks stop radiation just fine - don't need a radiation belt - though then you still some way for the life to gain energy, without being fried.
Theoretically, you can have life living without any sun at all. There's plenty of rogue planets drifting through space that still generate their own heat due to mass and gravity, and may have water in their interiors (certainly ice on their exteriors).
But yes, it's all fanciful supposition, until we get out and find something - or something finds us.
well if you read the bible hell is not not meant for us it says the fallen angels were put there "awaiting judgment in Tartarus" because they witnessed creation but still went aganist their creator, god wants to give us all the fruit to the tree of life which was in eden at the start, "he wishes none shall perish but have eternal life" seeing as we having filled ourselves with the fruit of knowlegde and know good and evil we know "the wages of sin is death".
But fear not for the bible is riddled with clues that jesus has overcome death and reigns ruler of the world making "footstools of his enemies"
I'm not even dignify that with a proper response because it goes off topic.
why wouldn't they?
also, bad is objective
not knowing a satanist when he's talking to you
You know very well Exodus and Leviticus are jewish text. You use quotes from the bible to to discredit Christians but when a Christian quotes from the Torah we are anti smites. In Christianity Exodus and Leviticus historical books depicting the way of life before Christ. And the only people who follow such books are jews like yourself. Fuck Off SJW we don't want your shit here
If Christianity is true. Then we are the only intelligent life in the universe. Why create so much extra space and waste?
>For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son
This is why Christianity aka jew religion spin off con game is just silly.