>Nasa has proven that the controversial space propulsion technology EmDrive works and also accidentally might have made a warp drive, as used by the Star Trek Enterprise to travel, possible
>It was thought up and developed by a British scientist called Roger Shawyer, who spent years having his technology ridiculed by the international space community even though Boeing licensed it and the UK government was satisfied it worked.
>Nasa has been testing the technology for a while and it confirmed on 29 April that researchers at the Johnson Space Center have successfully tested an electromagnetic propulsion drive in a vacuum, and although it did not seem possible, the technology actually works.
>"Thrust measurements of the EmDrive defy classical physics' expectations that such a closed [microwave] cavity should be unusable for space propulsion because of the law of conservation of momentum," Nasa's José Rodal, Jeremiah Mullikin and Noel Munson wrote in a Nasa Spaceflight blog.
What is EmDrive?
>EmDrive is based on the theory of special relativity that it is possible to convert electrical energy into thrust without the need to expel any form of repellent.
>Shawyer's critics say according to the law of conservation of momentum, his theory cannot work as in order for a thruster to be propelled forwards, something must be pushed out of the back of it in the opposite direction.
>Nasa researchers posted on the Nasa Spaceflight forum that when lasers were fired into the EmDrive's resonance chamber, some of the laser beams had travelled faster than the speed of light, which would mean the EmDrive could have produced a warp bubble.
>A post by another user analysing the EmDrive experiment said "the math behind the warp bubble apparently matches the interference pattern found in the EmDrive".
So, what do you make out of this?
>implying we havent just ripped off alien technology
>implying there "breakthroughs" aren't just alien technology
>>EmDrive is based
That's all I needed to know
The future is bright, /pol/; Are you ready to fulfill man's destiny?
>lso accidentally might have made a warp drive, as used by the Sta
The drive seems to be able to emit EM radiation to produce a small amount of momentum. That's all that's been confirmed so far.
>>Shawyer's critics say according to the law of conservation of momentum, his theory cannot work as in order for a thruster to be propelled forwards, something must be pushed out of the back of it in the opposite direction.
Well, that's clearly wrong. Everyone knows that electromagnetic fields can generate force without expelling matter.
Post the NASA whitepaper.
>Well, that's clearly wrong. Everyone knows that electromagnetic fields can generate force without expelling matter.
The drive does produce far more momentum than the impulse of the photons emitted, which is why it has so much credible attention.
I think they've found a way to interact with the graviton.
I think that Thrust they're mesuring is generated by a fake gravity.
That's the only physically plosible explaination i could think of
This is not science yet, some British dude found some bizarre phenomenon and that's what EmDrive is, looks like it works and probably even produces space time bubbles but no one knows how, there's several hypothesis nothing much consistent, due its simplicity, cheap and easy implementation it will be flying soon, the bad thing is that while used as weapon it makes nukes look inoffensive as it enables relativistic speeds to be achieve turning one simple ship into several tsar bomba.
Why do we operate from the assumption that there are physical laws at all, rather than regard them as subjectively and observably true but potentially alterable or even outright false?
Many observed constants and laws of the past today are not considered either; we have to get used to the concept that sometimes one of the presumptions formerly used was not always correct; just generally correct and observed.
If we presume there are types of waves, particles, energy sources, and so forth which we do not interact with directly or observe we have to presume it is possible for them to violate (or seem to violate) physical laws.
Warp fields create intense hawking radiation that would kill everything inside and outside.
Also besides that you have immense shockwave in front and behind the warp field, destroying everything in both directions after warp field is turned off.
And why wouldn't aliens be racist, too? You're an idiot to think liberal nonsense is actually progressive.
Aliens are more likely to be bloodthirsty and violent. /tg/ agrees don't bother them about it.
Nah. Aliens can handle the bants. They'd understand.
Aliens are literally Australia in space. Remember the crop circles, fucking up cows, and anal probes? Aliens have been holding down the troll game ever since before Jesus.
>Or simply a way to speed up light.
That alone is huge. Remember, photons are particles, meaning matter has been pushed to velocities that exceed current physics' theoretical limits. There is much to be studied and scale is still a massive obstacle at this point, but this could prove one of the most significant discoveries in centuries.
Yes, we tried and succeeded.
Once we unlock the Higgs field, we will be able to teleport, manipulate matter in more ways than just converting it from one state to another.
God save the Queen!
They said the same about mobile phones (from star trek).
Look how that worked out. See you on the other side of the universe.
>You were born just in time for the inception of Orbital Drop Shock Troopers so you can kill alium degenerates.
I can't wait to meet an alien babe and fuck it.
>Major news networks
>reporting on scientific advancements
They know that the general public doesn't care or doesn't understand and would rather hear about celebrity bullshit or some other stupid shit.
You talkin shit about my blueberry space muffin?
>Bonger pretending you're some sort of authority on the subject
This is why he had to come to America to succeed. You Britcucks have completely lost your sense of exploration and conquest. No more big dreams, only slowly fading into a forgotten time in history when Britons were White and didn't worship Allah.
But we're not talking about reaching light speed, we're talking about EXCEEDING light speed. Furthermore, there are things about matter that we still simply don't understand, particularly the fundamental forces of gravity and electromagnetism. It could very well be that constants we've come to taken for granted are actually variable under certain conditions. Matter at the quantum level is different from matter at the atomic level, and we weren't even aware that the quantum existed until the last century. Eventually we'll see if your statement(current scientific understanding) holds in light of this new development, or if there's an as yet undiscovered caveat to it.
There's not enough funding in space exploration here.
Also, I heard Obongo cut NASA budget fo dem programs.
How are they working out?
It's well known that NASA currently is the most funded space industry. So if someone here is trained in that field and is interested in that field, it makes sense for them to go to NASA.
We have plenty of scientists from the UK in NASA.. Again, our politicians don't spend enough on space, neither does ESA.
You should be grateful you're getting smart white people to take the edge off your niggers.
We warp drives now.
We could use androids as the pilots. I think if we unlock the entire Higgs field, we may be able to teleport from one area of the solar system to the other.
I don't know, I'm really stoned on Valium, weed, booze and tramadol right now so I can't think clearly.
But Lorentz factor and generating enough energy to travel at light speed poses problems.
Then you have time distortion, temperature in space, how do you stop the equipment from freezing the further away it moves from a star.
All sorts of things.
I just hope that we can conquer these problems within a few generations and exploration can begin.
The golden age of space travel would be glorious to be in.
>mfw missed the golden age of piracy
>mfw going to miss the golden age of space exploration.
These feels anon...
>Looks like were getting a warp drive m8.
That along with the Rail Gun, Skylon and SABRE engines.
See we are probably the only productive nation in Europe.
And you always insult us.
>We'll be able to warp to desolate planets soon
>Still no sex bots
>change the laws of reality itself
That's not how the universe works. Those "laws" are just a mathematical representation of how the universe works. Even if they did change, you would just cease to exist.
>Thats not how the universe works
To said civilization humans would appear as brainless idiots who barely scratched the surface of reality.
Also we dont know everything about quantum mechanics since it takes humans with 145 IQs to even grasp its complexity.
>implying you won't be able to get a number of likeminded anons together to have sex slaves.
You might have to convert to Islam or some shit, but nobody going to come after you with dem sanctions when you're 10,000 light years away.
Besides, aliens have sex robots, duh.
A guy has already invented a device that can give women instant orgasms. Its only a matter of time before they make a device that can trick your brain into creating illusionary sex sensations.
This new discovery used an electromagnetic field to bring about its results. In order for organic life to be protected from the ravages of the radiation it produces, an equally strong magnetic field must be generated. This field must be generated by an electromagnetic field generator embedded in our bodies that can reliably be harnessed and recalibrated at will in order to compensate for what will likely be variable levels of energy generated through acceleration and any necessary sustenance of terminal velocity. All persons using such technology must be well-versed in its usage, and it must have a long proven track record of accomplishing its stated purpose of protecting its user from harm. Thankfully, such technology already exists, and has for a long time.
I'm speaking, of course, of the Power of Prayer.
Get this newage reddit tier pseudoscience fantasy shit out of here.
Quantum mechanics is just how reality behaves on the sub atomic level. It's not harry potter magic nigga.
Take heart anon. As long as we don't sperg out and go full boomers 2.0, we'll be remembered as the generation that held things together and allowed the future to begin. It seems that we're pretty close to it, giving up now would just be in bad taste. :3
Stay strong anon, do it for her.
But you've got to admit they're ethnically inferior, at least for another 1000 years. It's the same for women and novels -- there has never been a great female novelist, because their gender, whether biologically or culturally, prevents any skill.
Yes I know that. I knew this stuff since I was in high-school. It's nothing special until it's applied to the real world.
I'm guess you just learned about what QM is from some Youtube video or that NOVA episode on it?
Thrust propulsion is a waste of time, we need to work on a scientific form of localized teleportation that doesnt kill you.
I have always thought of technological portals as a better method space travel since its truely instant. Imagine opening a doorwalking outside, and you are on Mars. Walk back into the door you are on earth.
It makes speed a nonfactor in space travel.
What of the immortal soul in such transactions? Has science found a way to replicate that, or are they destroyed in transit leaving behind a soulless abomination to wander the world?
So, does this mean I'll be working on an interplanetary ore-carrier soon?
>hurr something from science fiction is better so we need to use all our time making it a reality, instead of working on stuff as it's discovered
Tech rushing doesn't work in real life, bahamanigger
>Believing in souls
Idk but it may be somewhat possible in the next one thousand years for scientist to turn our consiousness into an intangible energy field that can operate meat suits for personal pleasure. Which means scientist could humans completely immortal, but who knows.
Thing is though, as soon as we develop the capacity for interstellar travel (even if it takes us 90 years) anyone who's out there will suddenly have to pay attention.
It'd be like if a bunch of North Sentinel Islanders decided to pack up and get in boats; the international community would have some explaining to do to them.
>turn our consiousness into an intangible energy field
What are you reading nigga?
Your argument is purely a semantic one. For all intents and purposes, if you can decrease the amount of time it takes for something to get from A to B, you've increased its velocity. In theory, we could use this technology to transmit radio waves across vast distances(think between planets/stars) in an instant.
Is it cheating to warp space-time? Yeah, kinda. In the latter scenario, would we consider our communications "sped up"? Absolutely.
Recent studies of the mind have shown our consiousness is caused by something on the quantum level, and it has many scientist bewildered. Thus doesnt mean souls are real, but shows our consiousness is more complex than we can fathom at its roots.
> if you can decrease the amount of time it takes for something to get from A to B, you've increased its velocity.
No time runs at different rates for it.
This video explains it.
Better start sending niggers to space as a deterrent against alien invasion
>worried about moral and ethical implications
I long for the day that we can spread Christ's Church to the stars. That day will come. We must not rush headlong into oblivion in the name of progress.
299792458 m/s is the "speed limit" of the universe. Nothing in our current models of physics can match or exceed this velocity, so I have no idea what they mean when they said they saw things travel faster than the speed of light. It's pretty crazy.
>slightly less intelligent.
Why do you hate us bruh? We're all settler colonies. We all share a lot of similarities. Australia has gone a bit socialist, along with New Zealand, but we all come from the same place.
He's talking about ethics. A better way to phrase it would be, "Do we know how to use this responsibly?" A valid question. See: Nuclear weapons, space junk, desertification of arable land.
>We must not rush headlong into oblivion in the name of progress.
Fuck off cunt, the stars are waiting and your dead kike on a stick can't stop me.
>"Do we know how to use this responsibly?"
Only one way to find out, and that's to press the big red button.
You understand implicitly. We should not shy away from knowledge, but we must always be wary of its application.
As a Catholic I believe that all scientific truth leads to God. As we better understand creation we better understand the creator. We are by no means anti-science, rather, we are pro-morality and pro-responsibility.
interaction with the quantum vacuum plasma, the resonator is somehow coupling with the background QVP positrons and electrons, imparting momentum onto them before they annihilate
It is to quantum electrodynamics, what a propeller is to hydrodynamics
British Mustard Race
THE SUN NEVER SETS ON THE BRITISH EMPIRE
First the industrial revolution, now intestellar travel
get rekt faggot
The resonance chamber is interfering with virtual particle creation/destruction, making it a vacuum with a lower virtual particle content. The "speed of the laser" is higher in this supervacuum, like its speed in water being lower than in a classic vacuum.
Yes, you are technically correct. The best kind of correct. Have you considered a career as a bureaucrat?
Clearly, more research is warranted. Pic very related.
>worried about moral and ethical implications
>moral and ethical implications
found the retard. MUH MORALS AND ETHICS. nigger its a fucking MOTIONLESS WARP DRIVE, they already said if it scales its going to be used in every single fucking thing that moves and that includes cars, trains, ocean ships.
Seems like there's a lot of intolerance and snobbiness in the stem fields. Not that these SJW 'science is culturally situated' people are entirely right, but they perhaps need to be more accepting of dissenting views that perhaps, at first, don't appear logical.
>we should do this because we can
Modern science is derived from the legacy of Christianity. You merely inherited it from "Christ-fags", and you deride their religion to conceal the fact that your so-called rationality wasn't cut from whole cloth, and was never at odds with Christianity until some edgy faggots in the Enlightenment decided it was. Your claims against religion are as intellectually dishonest and irresponsible as your calls to ignore the need for ethics in science.
Mankind has no need for such arrogance. Capability must be tempered with responsibility, if we are to avoid destroying ourselves.
From OP link
What is EmDrive?
EmDrive is based on the theory of special relativity that it is possible to convert electrical energy into thrust without the need to expel any form of repellent.
Shawyer's critics say according to the law of conservation of momentum, his theory cannot work as in order for a thruster to be propelled forwards, something must be pushed out of the back of it in the opposite direction.
However, EmDrive does preserve the conservation of momentum and energy – to put it simply, electricity converts into microwaves within the cavity that push against the inside of the device, causing the thruster to accelerate in the opposite direction.
Shawyer proved that if you had a 100kg spacecraft, the thrust would be in a clockwise direction and the spacecraft would then accelerate in an anti-clockwise direction.
R A R E F L A G
Saying the medieval scientist's discoveries were driven by some bog-standaed christian fear and awe of God is just as dishonest. I guarantee you, the concept of "god" that 90% of those scientists had was more in line with deistic theology, albeit with a christian veneer.
Even if I'm wrong, it doesn't matter. The christian-scientists of yore are long gone in today's world. It would be like calling modern day Islamic states pro-science simply because of the (very important) discoveries made during the golden age of Islam; times change, and the torch of progress has once again changed hands.
So Nasa once again tries to tell us that something works we all know it works, while we drive our cars on oil in late future, have 2/3 of the world living from diseases we can cure and totally ignoring the 50 years old studies of electromagnetic radiation and costs. Gee wiz, thx nasa, you are true genius.
Did you read the article, nigger? This isn't "oh you can run your cars on electricity", this is "you can use electricity to move things seemingly in violation of the conservation of energy". The latter is a physics breakthrough potentially on par with the atomic model.
>have 2/3 of the world living from diseases we can cure
Why would a first world country selflessly care about some shithole that was a shithole for centuries because the locals can't do jack shit?
Would you rather hold progress and try to help all the countries who can't even fend for themselves?
Just because some dumbasses robbed whole world of inventions and money and now monopolized technology doesn't means they are any smarter than curry nigger indians. What if we first cure malaria with real medicine and then hand out everybody equal amount of 100000 trillion in research blood diamond money so we can rehead old studies on electromagnetism and be smart?
>EmDrive is based on the theory of special relativity that it is possible to convert electrical energy into thrust without the need to expel any form of repellent.
Doesnt this violate Newton's third law? What the actual fuck.
It sounds like there was some error or misunderstanding and that in a day or a week or so, we'll hear how the experiment was disproved. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Not to be a downer; I'd obviously be very excited if it were true. But don't get your hopes up.
Africa still uses old-tech mediciation that doesn't works for malaria and the glorious union of advanced countries under UN can't even do this in 100 years no to mention bless us with new technology so we can avoid getting slaved for the rich fags from royal past. More advanced we are, more we work, less money we have, more enslaved we are, worst shit we eat, more degenerate we are, just so that we can claim we are united under flag or technology, but we really really really aren't.
hey, I am a proud jew, and I am glad progress is being made in this field, jew or not. Of course I think it would've been great if this was developed in one of the universities in Israel, and brought much pride to my people, but this is really not that important in the larger scheme of things.
it's sad that you have to parade the fact that a non-jew accomplished a breakthrough as if it is so rare. White non-jewish europeans have built the world as we know it, jews just made a lot of great contributions along the way. screaming 'you mad' 'you mad'? just pathetic.
Then step up your game and join the winners circle, Czechoslovakia. We only help out worthless nations like you and the Africans because it makes our people feel good. If you want to join the future, then put some muscle into it.
>Just because some dumbasses robbed whole world of inventions and money and now monopolized technology doesn't means they are any smarter than curry nigger indians.
>What if we first cure
Africans just keep inventing new diseases. Clearing the world of all diseases is a very long term goal. We shouldn't lose scientific progress that would happen during the time. And NASA's researches have been modified and used for real world purposes as well. Why do you want to inhibit any sort of scientific progress?
>Even if I'm wrong, it doesn't matter.
Of course it does. It means you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You are charging that there's some inherent Christian intolerance to the study of the natural world so you can elevate your own belief system over one that you don't even care to understand. That is the very definition of intellectual dishonesty, and the antithesis of rational inquiry. If you want to charge that the average Christian is anti-intellectual and anti-science, I must admit there are indeed people like that. People are prone to willful ignorance, as your baseless claims so helpfully illustrate.
Meanwhile, the oft-cited "Christian Dark Ages" apparently found the wherewithal to allow room for intellectuals to expand human knowledge that we all benefit from today, while countless modern atheists point and shriek at debunked claims such as "Galileo's persecution was purely religious and anti-scientific in nature," when the truth is that Galileo was promoting a theory he couldn't yet back up, agreed to teach it as a theory, then taught it as fact. Dishonest AND anti-scientific. No wonder modern atheists so readily identify with him.
The time it would take this engine to get anything up to relativistic speeds is obscenely long. Also factor in that you've got to launch this from Earth, accelerate away, and loop back around to hit anything. This isn't like flicking a switch and getting to 70% of c in a day. Or a year. Or even 10 years. Or even 100.
If we launched a world-destroying death rock today with this engine and gave it a course that allowed it to get up to murdalizing speed by the time it gets back around to us, we'd have centuries to get better tech, catch up, and stop the thing before it was ever a problem.
No, I mean how do particles with mass store the energy they show when they accelerate towards others with mass? Imagine we had only two particles with mass in the universe, which had completely elastic collisions. These particles are traveling towards the other. As they approach one another, they accelerate, so at the point before impact the total velocity of the particles is greater than before collision. The only way to conserve energy here would be to change mass. Do the particles that mediate gravity alter their mass based on the presence of other gravity particles?
Not qualified to answer that, but...
As far as classical physics is concerned, there are no gravitons. The effect of gravity is created by mass distorting the field of space.
As for conservation of energy... Yes? Fuck man, I don't know
Did you not read the second paragraph of my post? The part after "Even... doesn't matter"?
The medieval era was a time of science spear headed by Christians, yes; but is that true now?
Like I said, do we call Islam a religion of science and progress because of the discoveries made in the Islamic golden ages? No, times have changed, and Islam is no longer associated with science. Likewise, Christianity is no longer associated with science, and outside of a few sects (like the Jesuits), it is not made a priority of its members.
Kinetic energy goes up with the square of the velocity, momentum is linear. Either way, a speck of dust doesn't do shit, it has to be a fine sand to even do damage. Talcum powder does nothing.
So what happened with NASA's salt(ice water) on Mars? Did NASA Jesus make it disappear? NASA is as bad as Facebook and it's cancer that only contributes to military weaponry. We will be using every acre of forest, pollute all waters, use up all the minerals, but okay NASA keep studying our bright future, we gonna need it when we leave American robbed Earth like in that movie(i mean those chosen ones will leave Earth). I rather explore unpolluted earth than some empty rocks in space.
Oh, by the way, reactionless drives means we can build torch ships that accelerate constantly.
You don't have reaction mass to run out of. Just supplies and whatever your energy source requires.
The stars belong to us.
Where do you think NASA gets money if not from American wars, cutting down forests and selling endangered animals? Go look up main exports of USA: oil & destruction related industry. I don't need inventions from a country that does more damage than good, especially not from NASA, they can go back to their UFO tapes and flag sticking in the ground and stop pretending they are anything more than military propaganda.
>empty rocks in space
>giant diamonds and chunks of platinum the size of Texas just floating around out there for us to take
You do realize that every bit of resource-gathering we do up there makes raping OUR planet less profitable, right? We don't need to stripmine mountains to get a tiny bit of rare earth metal when a single asteroid is holding more of that shit than entire continents on Earth.
People who go to space come back with an even greater appreciation for the environment. The point of NASA and space exploration isn't to fuck off from Earth the moment it's feasible and let everyone else wallow in sludge. God damn, enlighten yourself.
I'm talking about grain size and density more than anything else. The actual hardness is less important when its moving at facemelting velocities. Explosively Formed Penetrators is liquid or semi-liquid copper moving at high speed and is capable of piercing several feet of benchmark RHA steel.
>>how do particles with mass store the energy they show when they accelerate
This is mass - energy equivalence, E = mc^2.
as the relative velocity of a particle increases, its mass increases. which is why you cant get faster than c in a vacuum, it would imply an infinite force, or zero mass.
if you pollacks want an interesting read,
NASA isn't the only organization that explores space. Also, you are, at this very moment, likely using U.S. military inventions and improvements. Lithium ion batteries were made more efficient and easier to mass produce by the U.S. military, GPS was started by a U.S. military initiative and primarily developed by it, etc. When we expand inventions from the U.S. military to all military, that amount vastly increases.
So we should judge modern atheism/secularism on its own merits? Very well, we'll look at its cultural artifacts since it's became prominent in the last century. My claims about your intellectual dishonesty regarding history stand, and this is all too common among atheists. Unless you are omniscient, this will inevitably create intolerance towards differing views. Look at how modern academia treats those who disagree with them on a social level: ostracization, speech codes, "uninviting" controversial figures. Look at the treatment of those within the scientific community who challenge anthropogenic climate change; the science, we are told, is "settled," there is a "consensus," and we need only look at who's funding the opposition's research to see that their models MUST be wrong. Is this the cultural foundation of scientific progress? You are handed the reins of society, and you become the very thing you decry. Substitute "women's rights" for "measured differences in capability across racial groups," and suddenly you become a more affluent, less violent version of Radical Islamists. The lack of tolerance for those who disagree with you is identical.
Is really NASA the only company that can research space related themes for trillions of dollars of research money or are they just privileged because they feed the military propaganda machine? Do we really need such companies dictating the progress? First lets use that progress on the rest of the world's people, then we can continue when this earth isn't such a degenerate shit hole still owned by royal hands like thousands of years ago in private laboratories of castles, but please when we are being smart about evolution and all this scientific stuff then pls let us not toss around Jebus and Allah everywhere, it really makes it look like we are bunch of retards in this world, i mean for those aliens that are watching.
>Implying I'm a liberal
Leftists only flock to secularism because it frees them from the (usually good) moral constraints of organized religion. I do not accept this, and decry them all the same.
They're the ones who do it because nobody else bothers doing as much as them, you stupid slav fuck
But where does it come from? The total velocity of two particles accelerating toward one another due to gravity increases, and the mass of these particles increases. This would mean the system has more energy than it started out with, where does this energy come from?
What if human bodies cant go the speed the Em drive can produce?
>Where do you think NASA gets money if not from American wars
The American tax payer? The money comes from the citizen, not from your delusion of our grandeur. Sounds like you mad jelly of muricans though.
- 10 wars per decade
- creationism in schools yes
- degenerate drug abusing crusaders that want to kill all muslims
- owned by jews, claiming being patriots
- polluting whole world for every cent, killing every living thing for money
- we space race now, we care about space life
That brings us back to the original argument. If moral constraints offered by organized religion are a social good at the individual level, then why wouldn't they be a social good when determining how to responsibly guide the ethics of science? A greater understanding of what it means to be human requires this kind of consistency. Nobody who strives to stay honest with Christian theology should advocate for Luddism, as it is merely the opposite number of this dilemma. If they do, then they are traitors to God and science, both.
>not spreading democracy across the cosmos
>not teaching the greys that Jesus rode a raptor into Jerusalem
>not crusading against heathen alien races
>not exploiting gullible aliens for shekels
>not trashing up the rest of the galaxy
>not freeing the shit out of green alien women
Sounds like the Balkans need more freedoms.
>mfw captcha was burger
Let's make it clear. Their invariant mass in their frame of reference is not changing and will never change. This 'mass' as you speak of it is referred to as a relativistic mass, and is really more of a way of describing the asymptotic approach of energy required as velocity approaches c. From an outside point of view, it is convenient to say the mass of the particle has increased. However, E = mc^2 only holds true for (relatively) small velocities, under .10c. Otherwise the true expression is E = mc^2 * l where l is the Lorentz transformation.
Jesus there are too many things to even begin to put forth the notion that you were merely pretending to be retarded, I think you genuinely need to see a doctor posting this on the internet, even ACCIDENTALLY is enough to warrant concern.
>As a Catholic I believe that all scientific truth leads to God
>I believe science leads to my preconceived conclusion that I've already set as true in advance
Then you're not doing science, obviously
It's far more plausible that nothing exceeded the speed of light but rather space was warped so that the length of space-time the laser traveled through was shorter than we'd classically want to believe.
Expanding and contracting space is afterall not a controversial theory, we know it happens and measure it all the time, it's basically what gravity does.
I doubt anything terribly non-classical is going on here, that is to say I don't think any kind of quantum strangeness is going on.
>being so far in denial
When the Alcubierre-driven ship decelerates from superluminal speed, the particles its bubble has gathered are released in energetic outbursts. In the case of forward-facing particles the outburst can be very energetic — enough to destroy anyone at the destination directly in front of the ship.
“Any people at the destination,” the team’s paper concludes, “would be gamma ray and high energy particle blasted into oblivion due to the extreme blueshifts for [forward] region particles.”
>there has never been a great female novelist
Jean M. Auel
thats just off the top of my head anon
also: looking foward to warp drive fuck yes
How about you come to a stop facing away from your destination, then turn to face it? Blast goes off into space - arrive at destination without harming it.
I know its all speculation. But this seems unlikely.
If we can bend space-time for superluminal speeds, we shouldn't assume that we're necessarily just transiting 3d space like a line drawn on a sheet of paper. If there is less interaction with particles on the 3d plane, then why would they be necessarily blue shifted to that extreme.
Interesting thought about this, have we ever observed particles extremely blue shifted like this out in the universe?
I thought of a laser when I was 5. Do I get all the credit for it? No. Nobody gives a single fuck what you "think about." The only thing that matters is who does it first. Hurrdurr UK thought of it first! Fuck off.
>spent years having his technology ridiculed by the international space community even though Boeing licensed it and the UK government was satisfied it worked.
>tfw scientific progress is being stopped and history is being suppressed thanks to petty tribalism
Holy fuck this makes me mad
I dont know how to feel about this if its real
>The space industry doesn't want to know about it as it's very disruptive. If the customer will spend hundreds of millions of dollars on launching a satellite, why would you want to make something that could do it cheaper?
I don't know but the way he talks he sounds like a total kook.
This, the aliens are actually raising us. They plant ideas into our minds whenever they feel we're ready for them.
So we're supposed to believe that throughout history people have been inventing things independently from each other at the same time, and it's just a coincidence? Nah, the aliens plant the ideas.
Harold White talking about his experiments with the warp bubble technology
I made a long ass post and accidentally dealeted it, so I'll keep this one short.
The EMdrive generates a region of negative energy inside the cone, with the ring of EM fields generating a positive net force perpendicular to the ring. This is literally the typical sci-fi propulsion method. Whenever you see ships with glowing rings as sublight exhausts, that's exactly what an EMdrive is.
Now, the reason why we can develop a warp drive from this, is because we didn't know how to generate regions of negative energy before. One of the requirements of the Alcubierre drive to work, is regions of negative energy. Previously though impossible to produce, people imagined "exotic matter" as generating fields of negative energy. Now that we know how to generate regions of negative energy, we can satisfy the equation and make a REAL WORKING warp drive.
Harold White is currently trying to produce warp bubbles as proof of theory. Undoubtedly after this discovery of the EM drive working, this will speed up his research immensley.
At this rate, we will be generating reliable warp fields in under a decade... actual warp drive in about 50 years maybe.
We Galactic Civilization nao.
Like any great explores keep dieing until it works you think we crossed countries on our first try?
Actually, he is right.
Because of the nature of a warp bubble, Hawking radiation will be produced both inside and outside the rim of the field. The edge of the bubble acts like the event horizon of a black hole, separating particle pairs. What will happen is particles will begin to "full up" inside the warp bubble, frying everything inside unless there is some kind of shielding or offset. Once the warp field collapses (you stop) all of this radiation (of which there is an immense amount) will essentially eject in every direction like a mini supernova, likely causing immense damage to the region of space that you stop.
Here's the thing. When traveling at light speed time passes much slower.
So, if we were to launch a craft to explore some distant part of the universe, earth would likely be nothing like it was when the craft returned. Possibly hundreds of years would pass for us while waiting on the return of the craft. The program and anyone involved would be long gone. Hell, the country and its people would be gone.
It sucks but unless you are that ship, you will never know what's out there.
>The drive seems to be able to emit EM radiation to produce a small amount of momentum. That's all that's been confirmed so far.
Isn't this what we've been doing with Ion drives already?
The big advantage is being able to travel in space using minimal fuel (since getting fuel into space is costly), but the problem is that the drives are slow as shit and while you can accelerate as long as you have fuel, it still takes years to build up speeds we get just by slingshotting.
>Another world-shattering invention by white people
Why do we even need the lesser races at this point? If we have the capability to traverse and colonize the entire galaxy and beyond, why the fuck don't we just enslave the lesser races and use them as forced labor?
>Niggers now work as interplanetary miners
>Asians work as interplanetary manufacturers and farmers
>Indians/Arabs work as interplanetary maintenance workers and IT support
>Whites control the empire with a military regime, defeating any shit heads who try and rebel or any ayy lmao xeno scum who think they are superior
>Whites take their rightful place as the gods of the universe
>When the Alcubierre-driven ship decelerates from superluminal speed
the whole point of a warp bubble is that the ship remains stationary and moves space around it, there would be no release of energy upon it slowing or stopping and no chance of it 'gathering' particles
The concept of an EmDrive engine is relatively simple. It provides thrust to a spacecraft by bouncing microwaves around in a closed container.
Solar energy provides the electricity to power the microwaves, which means that no propellant is needed.
However this means very little in the space community, it needs to be peer reviewed and taken seriously before any progress can be made.
It could take years if not a decade. Sorry fellas.
>it needs to be peer reviewed and taken seriously before any progress can be made.
And the NASA vacuum experiment doesn't count? And the other repeated experiments don't count?
>make out of this?
That journalists are somewhat exaggerating the facts. Again.
Emdrive and warpdrive aren't the same thing. Emdrive has been tested (in a vacuum - there were doubts that it would work in a vacuum) and encouraging results were found. Now, it needs to be tested in space and at higher energy levels. Currently, 2500 watts of electricity provides provides about .016 pounds foot of thrust. A measurable but small amount.
Chinese scientists have claimed similar results, so the experiment can be said to have been replicated.
Warp drive/fields is being experimented with but I don't think there have been tangible results observed yet. Again, this is being done by NASA. Look up Alcubierre on google or wiki. Same for Emdrive, wiki has an article.
It's all rather exciting, don't you think?
>how do you stop the equipment from freezing the further away it moves from a star
We'd need to heat it artificially, i.e we'd need to figure out fusion power before interstellar travel.
>dumbfukistan reporting in.
NASA have invented jack shit here. A guy who works for NASA reported on successfully recreating the inventor's experiments in a vacuum.
Here's a video of the inventor describing it and how it works.
But seen as we're doing this, what has NASA managed recently that can even touch Virgin galactic, Skylon or this? That'd be fuck all.
>2500 watts of electricity provides provides about .016 pounds foot of thrust
m8 Newtonian physics have been discredited now for over a century.
We still use them because they are excellent simplified approximations.
Using the true formulas all the time would be cumbersome and they converge to the same as Newtonian equations for speeds we commonly encounter on earth.
You have no idea how advanced physics is now.
Quite a few things i have difficulty accepting but the evidence is clear.
umm dude space doesn't actually "freeze" stuff
space has no heat true
but it also doesn't have material to suck out heat from stuff
in space the only way you loose heat is by radiating it (an extremely INEFFICIENT way to loose heat) meaning something that can produce its own heat to sustain itself on its own will have no problems in space
the biggest problem would actually be dispersing the heat produced