>>44813002 1.) Eliminate no child left behind 2.)Abolish compulsory attendance 3.)Restructure the national board of education
4.)Mandate learning a foreign language from kindergarten to middle school Studying French for a year in high school wastes time and definitely doesn't result in a fluent student.
I'm pretty sure there's this god-tier school system that requires learning an instrument and a foreign language, as well as discouraging discussion of shitty public media while in school. I forget the name of it, though I should really look into it for any future crotchspawn.
Get rid of standardized testing, or at the very least stop tethering the results to school funding. I know why they thought it was a good idea; to give schools a monetary incentive to teach their students, but the end result is a disaster. Schools will only teach the content of the tests to keep the results high. This of course leaves remarkably unacceptable gaps in the actual education of the students because it destroys a child's creativity and desire to learn, on top of tying the hands of what would otherwise be a great teacher by forcing them to follow what is by the time it's trickled down to them a seriously outdated or inaccurate curriculum.
>>44813002 Start by upping the quality of the teachers. Requirements for teaching is pathetically low. The people teaching your kids are the ones drinking 4 days out of the week, then complain how tough the program is. Not a stretch to think something is wrong with the 2.3gpa teacher will teach people at a 2.3gpa level.
>Cut out most of the standardized testing. Teachers will take significant time to teach you how to take the test instead of just teaching you information. I got very good taking tests without knowing much information and a coin. You have to have some testing but I was having 2-3 tests a year at one point.
Need to stratify the smart from the dumb. Teachers will always have to teach to the pace of the dumbest kids in class. Dumb kids need to be held back. Simple as that. Niggers should not be graduating highschool, yet, be unable to read.
>>44813120 Depends on the test. College entrance exams probably won't get phased out for obvious reasons.
All that elementary/middle school standardized testing should be restructured. I get the purpose of it, but it's currently a shitty system - and yeah, it shouldn't be tethered to school funding, as stated by >>44813193
It should, however, be used to filter students out in combination with no compulsory attendance We should have solid understandings of what a student should know when it comes to verbal and mathematical skills by say, 4th, 6th, 8th and 10th grade. Failure to meet the requirements gives you one additional semster of grace to retake it. Failing a second time results in expulsion.
>>44813002 Redirect all funding to voucher programs. Parents now have to make a direct agreement with the school before it receives funding. Failing schools go under, good schools prosper. >but failing schools is bad They will work to improve. Right now there is no reason for a school to succeed.
>>44813476 You beta cucks will be the first to be skinned alive by the nignog hordes when SHTF. You will suck a redneck dick to protect you from the unchained nogmob. Get some Carmex. I like a little tingle with my BJ.
As of some years ago, most teachers needed to do a better job of maintaining an orderly classroom. Every school has a set of rules, written in it's rulebook. It is pretty much the same everywhere. In those rules, there are rules against violence and harassment. If the purpose of school is to educate the students, an orderly classroom is absolutely necessary for that.
>>44813002 Asthmatic, Civics, English, Basic Sciences, and Latin till middle school.
Then based on aptitude STEM, trade or Arts, but everyone must know household math, basic economics, logic, proficiency in English and Latin and pass a citizenship test. School uniforms are mandatory. Rebalance spending, kill the unions. School for six days a week starting at 10am and ending at 4pm. Replace summer vacation with more breaks to avoid brain drain.
>>44813931 Someone's got a hard on for mathematics. Only maybe one in a hundred thousand would be able to keep up with that incline. Most children do not benefit from being exposed to mathematics that early in life. IIRC there was a study done that showed children who started learning maths at age 12 performed better at the same level than children who started learning maths at age 6.
>>44813522 >>44813716 They can simply refrain from socializing the students to be vapid degenerates, enforce a strict dress code (possibly even a school uniform) wherein everyone is strictly forbidden from making a whore of themselves with their clothing choices, and discourage social interaction during class time, let alone the insipid overly sexualized drivel of dumb whores getting mad at some girl for not being a whore with them. However, compulsory attendance age should be lower than 16, so that anyone who doesn't want to learn isn't shitting things up for those who do. I think the wrong people have been dropping out.
>>44814229 Some kids falling behind is normal. If your curriculum is beyond the majority of your students, pounding their heads into it over and over again isn't going to get you smarter kids; just angrier dumb kids.
1) Remove the SAT system, it's outdated 1b) However Elementary School and Middle School both should have graduation requirements well above their current level, and to implement it effectively they may need a similar system just to keep cost down. 2) Mandatory subjects: Maths, English, History mandatory till High School, 1 Science minimum, 1 foreign language minimum, 1 art minimum. 3) Maths has to be engineering undergrad level - students should have a complete understanding of Differentiation, Differential Calculus and have a conceptual understanding of Fourier at least. 4) History should be a 50/50 split of American History and World History. Students should have to do case studies on a single international historical event and a single American historical event with proper use of citation. 5) Arts should include Music, Film, Visual Art, Theatre and Shop. 6) A life skills class would be great - how to interpret the American insurance system, workers rights, tenant rights, CV building, basic home economics, acquiring Visa's for foreign travel.
>>44814350 >A life skills class would be great - how to interpret the American insurance system, workers rights, tenant rights, CV building, basic home economics, acquiring Visa's for foreign travel. But educated citizens are bad for business. Teaching every young adult about the effects of crippling debt and several techniques to avoid it is bad for business.
>>44814497 Social skills generally come naturally, and when schools teach the sort of 'social skills' which create an informal system where vapid cunts with an attitude problem can always have their way just by having an attitude problem, it would be better if they didn't teach social skills at all. Actual social skills conducive to a decent society, such as basic ettitquette, are good social skills to teach kids in first and second grade.
>>44813002 >m-f school >maximum 4hrs a day >intense 1 subject per day >year end tests which determine if you continue or do the "semester" again >no shuffling through dipshits >school is not daycare >take care of your kids or dont >its beyond illogicial to have 8 hr or more school days >i repeat THIS IS NOT DAYCARE >school starts at 1pm and goes to 5 >no school lunch >4 breaks after each hour >get through and graduate or dont >no age limit >no ged
short and sweet
this is called get shit done
also school is year round, there is no summer break
with this plan there is no room for fucking around
you want to be a class clown then enjoy doing this same "semester" for a couple years while the rest of your peers progress
Well, actually making students learn in order to progress would be a nice start. Students just get pushed through the system even if they don't know the curriculum. I work at a college and see people who don't know what a fraction is and people who can barely even write a complete sentence. There is literally no excuse for that kind of shit.
>>44814529 Not just business subjects but maybe also STEM subjects. There could be some heavy corruption in a system which seems almost deliberately designed so that the dumb kids end up taking the science classes and not caring about them while they #YOLO, while the kids with higher IQs (who the naturally more #YOLO ones didn't like very much) end up being treated like there's something wrong with them. I guess there's some truth to the stereotype that the type to be workaholics end up having nervous breakdowns and turning into a shadow of their former selves, given enough stress.
>>44813546 The first step of becoming a redneck is having a lower intellegence level than everyone around you and just not giving a fuck. Then, to continue on your path, you must find others who share the same sentiment. Once you have a group together, you then should discuss important issues of the day, such as Ford vs. Chevy or whose truck can outpull the others', or most importantly, who got to fuck your cousin before you did and how you're gonna have to "Open up a six pack of whoop ass" on them. It is also important to hold antiquated beliefs about society such as hating interracial marriage due to the fact that "you don't see a red squirrel out there fucking a grey one." Also, you have to have some sort of eccentric habit such as drinking moonshine until you actually shit yourself, or chewing tobacco until you have no teeth left, then you must gum it. Once you have these things down, you must purchase a large truck with no real purpose except for muddin', a gun that is probably illegal but your neighbor, Bubba, was using it to scare his mother-in-law/aunt, and most importantly, you must have at least two sets of camouflaged outfits that have to be constantly dirty. After that, all you have to do is like NASCAR and Lynyrd Skynyrd and congratulations, you have become a redneck.
This is a socioeconomic issue more than anything. Without parental buy-in to education not much can be changed. I didn't learn to read in school. My parents taught me. These schools will always be shit when so many come from shit families.
Onto the ones that can actually be saved:
Teach the metric system.
I remember reading several places that about 50% of jobs (or maybe salary dollars) are spent on non-teaching positions. This is just crazy. I can't even begin to imagine the layers upon layers of bureaucratic waste going on here. Cut this down to 30% for a start and shrink classroom sizes.
Some kind of earlier tract to study a trade like they do in parts of Europe (Germany?). Not everyone needs to read Shakespeare and learn to solve differential equations.
Make it easier to fire teachers that under-perform or have mailed it in after years on the job. Not for bulk firing to save money and hire cheap newgrads. Just a streamlined process to eliminate the truly shitty.
Separate ESL, autists, apsies and general trouble makers from the normal students.
>>44814908 How Do Rednecks Fit In With Society as a Whole? In short, they don't. However, they will often insist that they do and demand to be heard. Loud is the redneck way. The redneck philosophy is that progress is scary, and things presently suck. The only times that were good were "back in my daddy's days before this computer bullshit". They then spend their entire lives striving to live like that. Most rednecks shun technology (outside of television and AM radio of course) and say such hilarious things as "The computer will be the ruination of this world", and everyone's favorite, "If you let them queers get married, Jesus will come down and rain hellfire on your sinnin' asses". Rednecks also hate diversity of any sort. Anyone or anything that challenges their way of life should "get their asses whooped and go to Canada", or "tell it to my gun". Regular Americans feel the ripple of the redneck effect in daily life through the inspirational messages of Miley Cyrus, NASCAR interrupting their Saturday afternoon reruns and outdated movies, and seeing such noble characters as Larry the Cable Guy and Jeff Foxworthy on television constantly. How does it feel knowing Larry the fucking Cable Guy makes more money than you could ever hope to? Yeah, if that didn't suck already... Sarah Palin almost became vice president. What have you accomplished in your life?
>>44814881 >history you can learn on your own History is one of the most important subjects in the class! It teaches you ow how shitty life is in war and post war, how people used to survive with nothing and how creative they were.
Throwing away history is like throwing away social class, it serves no fucking purpose other than making children dumber.
>>44814930 Rednecks' Contributions to Society As stated above, rednecks gave us the Blue Collar Comedy Tour, Sarah Palin, Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader (aka: The Jeopardy of Rednecks), and NASCAR. But what have rednecks done for society as a whole? Before you say nothing, think of the time you were at Wal-Mart and that guy in front of you smelt bad and was wearing dirty overalls. You thought to yourself how unpleasant he was and how you wish he could just get hit by a truck, his own truck you thought, as you grinned. But, also, do you remember how much better about yourself you felt after he found out his beer couldn't be covered by foodstamps? Well, that's what rednecks are for. We've all watched a Larry the Cable Guy moment and thought to ourselves, man, I'm so glad I'm not one of those people who enjoys this shit. That is the purpose of the redneck, to provide normal, everyday Americans with self-worth. You may be sitting all alone petting a cat that you force to sit on your lap as you look up internet porn knowing none of those women will ever love you, but you know in your heart that they would love you before they would love a redneck. So next time you see that man in line wanting to buy beer using only his word and a chicken for collateral, thank him for making sure you are not at the bottom of the social ladder.
>>44814681 I myself was taught some ettiquette in first and second grade. It was some of the most useful social skills I ever learned in school. In the area where this was taught at those ages, I became the most respected kid in the class because I got good grades and liked to be helpful to the other students. When I moved away from there, I was in another little pocket of weird which wasn't that bad either, and then once I moved to Denver, the whole white guilt trip thing was the social agenda, and I refused to accept responsibility for things that happened before I was born. Then I moved to the suburbs of Boston, and they all hated me for being new and though I had tried to be reasonably sociable with them, and I eventually found myself repulsed with how openly sexual they all were and also with how promiscuous they all were. The whole idea that I should just be a human punching bag for everyone else to take their pitiful little problems out on was pretty much the social skills teachers wanted me to learn from third grade on. Of course, I was always in trouble for fighting back and winning when hit. However, what can be attributed to malice can often more easily be attributed to laziness. The school system is a bit different in different places. Also, there were good teachers and bad teachers everywhere, but the bad ones always seemed to outnumber the good ones. My grades slowly dropped over time because I became severely depressed and didn't do my schoolwork, and eventually, I just dropped out because I couldn't stand how far into hell things had gone anymore, and this much is my own actions. However, it was not a lack of intelligence that caused me to not do well at school.
>tfw the social skills I learned in 1st and second grade have fallen into disuse in most places >instead, the ability to hurl verbal abuse and profanity is held in high social regard
Also, anyone who tells their computer teacher to shoot himself in the foot is an ingrate who eventually needs to be told that by someone who learned much as a result of them. But I have too much respect for my elders to do such a thing.
Have a mandatory session at the end of the day where volunteers / college mentors help students complete their daily assignments and homework.
Cut the number of classes each semester and focus on quality, not quantity.
Emphasize cause and effect understanding instead of relying on brute-force memorization. For example - instead of giving a list of spelling words for the student to memorize, briefly discuss where the word is derived from. Also, for maths focus more on understanding rather than number crunching.
Relate the material to real-life trades/jobs/careers and try to get students to find a genuine interest a particular subject early in life.
Don't push students through school...if at the end of the semester a student doesn't adequately understand a fundamental concept or skill (like reading, basic arithmetic, etc) have them retake it during summer or winter break and focus ONLY on the areas they are lacking.
Have a counselling session once a year where a licensed professional can get a feel for the student's interests and academic strengths and suggest future careers that involve these. Accept that college is not for everyone and explore the idea of trade/craft oriented careers.
>>44813002 Honestly? Let teachers beat the shit out of snot-nosed students who refuse to listen. I'm not talking a smack on the wrist, I'm talking beat the shit out them.
> Jamal, what's 25x6 > *sucks teeth* > Jamal, did you do your HW last night? > nah nigga, fuck HW and fuck you > Teacher drags Jamal to another room by the ears... > Sit Jamal in a chair > Punch Jamal in the face... > "What's 25x6?" > Nigga you trippin! > Punch him again... "what's 25x6?" > repeat until he fucking gets it.
>>44815928 If only teachers actually kept an orderly classroom, 14 would be a good age to make it noncompulsory. The way things actually are, though, most 14 year olds are so stupid they probably actually need to be babysitted just so that they don't commit crimes in the streets.
>>44815687 > Emphasize cause and effect understanding instead of relying on brute-force memorization. For example - instead of giving a list of spelling words for the student to memorize, briefly discuss where the word is derived from. Also, for maths focus more on understanding rather than number crunching.
You generally have to do brute force memorization of basic facts before you can learn higher level concepts. The whole purpose of secondary education is to build those basic facts; college is for the higher understanding.
>>44816155 >If only teachers actually kept an orderly classroom,
One teacher I had that stood out was this 50 year old Italian lady. She was brand new when my parents were in school. She was generally pleasant but ran a tight ship and demanded a certain level of manners - ie no hats, no chewing on gum, don't call out, etc. She was firm but consistent. If you fucked with her there would be hell to pay.
>>44813002 1. Change the Department of Education to an advisory or grant board....or abolish it. 2. Push US citizens to learn another language at the Elementary level. 3. Do not allow immigrant children into the normal school system until they pass an English proficiency test. 4. Disregard all parent complaint until the parents can pass a basic English proficiency test. 5. Remove Common Core and No Child Left Behind. Federal mandated educational standards kill actual education. 6. Remove any professor in college that does not embrace critical thinking. 7. Remove any business professor that does not embrace nationalism.
>>44815928 School isn't - well, it shouldn't be - there to babysit kids. >>44816155 See above. If parents want to pay for a daycare for their 14 year old because they won't get their shit together for a school, let them look like the shit parental figure they are.
>>44816283 I remember a good teacher I had in high school as well. One thing that probably worked in his favor is he taught a subject which I was interested in. Secondly, since the subject was noncompulsory, he was able to keep his class orderly by sending out anyone who was being a delinquent. Nobody acted stupid in that class. However, I started the class somewhere between 4 and 6 weeks late, and never caught up on the homework, so flunked the class. The teacher of that class was very helpful to me, and did all he could to help me catch up, but it simply wasn't possible starting the class so late, and having to deal with the stress of, basically probation from truancy the year before, when I had skipped the last month or so. I was also on an IEP and in a special program for kids who had been labeled as delinquents (different from regular special ed in that it was morelike a real life cromartie for the delinquents not quite bad enough to send to alternative school, and not dumb enough for regular special ed), but there was a lot of bullshit going on in regards to that (I was pretty much the most delinquent student there). I was scheduled to retake the class I liked the next year, the teacher was alright with it, but the head of the program for delinquents changed my schedule around on me over the summer, lied to me that the class was cancelled and nobody would be taking it, and then, when I confronted her about it and asked if it's because I'm a demon from hell who would do nothing good with computers, she did not pick up on my sarcasm and responded with a 'yes' answer. Instead of arguing with her, which I saw as impossible when she was more concerned with thinking up new ways to ruin my life, I dropped out to study and get her and some other toxic people out of my life.
>>44816629 Shitty parenting at home actually contributes a lot to the mess at school, and that's of course, not anyone at school's fault if someone's parents aren't doing a good job of raising them. It's a societal problem if most of the kids are doing their best to emulate the media at school.
>>44816912 And those kids shouldn't be wasting the school's time. If the parents do a shitty job raising their children, they should be the ones to deal with their kid's buffoonery all day. Though, I'm also for against welfare.
This is the basis of failure in the American system. My gf volunteers in a first grade class and 1/4 of the kids have "family issues" which prevent them from being emotionally stable enough to concentrate on schoolwork. The other 1/2 can't regulate themselves enough to keep themselves from talking too loud or socializing when the teacher is trying to teach something - and you have to believe that this is their home environment transferred into the classroom. The remaining 1/4 are pretty good students because their parents aren't trash and actually read to them at night.
>>44816938 I'm having difficulty feeling much emotion right now, but this always made me angry. It is actually bad for society that the education system is a wreck, but this doesn't get talked about much, and there's a surprising amount of denial regarding the fact there's even anything wrong with it. Of course, discussion of politics is usually like this in America: People ignore what's happening around them while they obsess over things that are happening thousands of miles away.
>>44816938 >If you want to sit around and do jack shit 7 hours a day, the taxpayer shouldn't have to buy you a place to go do it.
Yes they should, because having a place to safely sit around doing jack shit (ie not fucking around committing crimes or getting molested) is a service to society, and thus society pays the bills for it.
Nearly every adult american understands the lackluster quality of public education in the Us. The issue is no one knows how to fix it, and the ones that think they do are usually wrong, and the one's that might not be wrong have to fight a battle on both sides from the people who want to do things their way, and the ones who are unwilling to change.
>>44813002 First step is to start calling it what it is: Children's day prison. We have an element of society that can't take care of itself and is extremely dangerous to allow to freely roam the streets unsupervised. We keep them and society safe by locking their asses up for 6-8 hours a day. The "education" part is mostly lip service.
The only way to improve public schools is with more walls, more bars, or more guards. If your kid is worth a damn, they should be able to get into private school and get funding to do so.
>>44817047 Yeah, in first grade and second grade, my grandparents also taught me ettiquette, and actually put some effort into raising me. School reinforced what I learned at home. My divorced baby boomer parents were either abusive (my mother was emotionally and physically abusive to me when I was 7 years old), or couldn't always be at home (I was sent home often in 3rd grade, even though I didn't start fights, and, my dad had to switch to night shift, so, I was pretty much a latchkey kid from then on, with video games, cartoons (the best of which turned out to be anime), and eventually computers to entertain myself, though I moved a few more times between living with my dad, my mom, or grandparents, and eventually ended up staying with my dad). I was, of course, literate by 3rd grade. In fact, I was literate by the end of 1st grade. My mom did not do much for me in kindergarten, so I had to learn basic arithmetic and how to read in 1st grade. My dad fought in Vietnam, but did better than my mom at raising me. My mom was a hippie and got off drugs for a while before relapsing sometime in the early 90s.
>tfw four decent grandparents, and my parents represent the baby boomers quite well >and there's a lot of suffering left unmentioned here, because I don't mean to whine
If society is in a downhill spiral, the lives of the least fortunate members of society can reflect how things will more commonly be for future generations. I would not wish the hell that my childhood sometimes was upon anyone, but there might be more of this sort of crap later.
It doesnt really matter what education system you have, or what curriculum is taught. In the end it comes down to whether the teacher can teach.
If you have a lot of kids simply ignoring the teacher and yakking away then nothing is going to work.
Like the anon said this is 99% of the time caused by bad parenting.
If you want to improve any education anywhere you must first ask "why has parenting got so bad"?
Imho there is several causes. One is this: Both parents have to work. Furthermore they have to work shitty hours, ie evening and night shifts. Thank the erosion of Union power and consumerism for that.
Segregate the races into different schools. Abolish the female-centric system of education immediately, allow public boys and girls schools. Trade programs in high school. A trades class is mandatory until Grade 11. Privatize the sports teams.
>>44817578 The south does have some redeeming qualities, you know. However, I understand that even if America is all one country, to many people, the south is almost like some horrible othernation that people derive pride from hating. I guess it depends on where one is in the south if it's pleasant or not. Some of it is nice. Some of it isn't. I haven't seen much of it and wouldn't go back to it.
>>44817346 Education's too important to place a financial barrier on it entirely, though; it should be available to all those able and willing. Otherwise you'll see private schools become gradually more expensive until the rich /pol/ complains about have a monopoly on education.
>>44817844 America would probably be much less of a wreck if there never was slavery in this country, but it's not entirely the south's fault that slavery came into existance. It started as indentured servitude from the fees people paid to take the boat over here, and then things slowly changed so that black people were owned as slaves. The roots of the entire system that was replaced by slavery could really be said to be something that was brought over from Europe. I always felt strongly about the american revolution, but the civil war seems like something that should have never happened, along with everything that lead up to it. I might be an optimist, but my perception has been that conceptually, America was a good idea for a nation that got off to a bad start and never quite did recover. This nation would have probably had much more social cohesion without all the social issues that pertain to black people and how they got here, but that's of course not the entire causation of, or even the main causation of why it's ruined.
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