Are men still expected to pay for dates/drinks?
All of my friends pay for women and I'm the only one who thinks it's stupid to keep paying for women in the year 2015 since the pay gap is pretty much a myth and now more women are graduating college than men, plus they'll get job preference once they graduate just because they're women.
Only on the first few dates, then eventually you split the bill. Then when you date it's a whole mix of splitting the bill, paying for all, or them paying.
I'm a femanon so I'm pretty set f a m.
>Only on the first few dates
but isn't that just as retarded, since in our age group women are actually the higher earning gender.
Btw I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere, that even in a splitting the bill/You pay next time -kinda arrangement the man usually still ends up paying a higher percentage then the woman
>go on dates with gf
>waiter hands the check to me, doesn't even look at gf
Depends. If there's trust, or if you know you'll see her again, why not, I mean it's just money who cares. But if you don't know her very well and arent getting anywhere in the date, or if it's too early to make a proper judgement, dont pay for her shit you beta fuck. That's diving head into the friendzone.
>Mom is going out with her female friends to a restuarant
>I have to tag along because of reasons
>Don't order anything, just sit there as company
>Waiter hands the check to me
>"But I didn't order anything"
>"Oh, I thought you were going to pay for everyone"
I flipped my fucking shit. My mother and her friends didn't even think it was a big deal since guys usually pay.
I've always been told that the person who asks for the date pays for it. I actually totally get that, as say I ask someone out to some super fancy place that will cost a lot. I don't want them to be like... Well shit, I would like to go but I can't afford it.
As for girls asking guys out - yeah, I mean, it's getting better slowly. All you anti-feminist aspie fucks aren't helping though, I'll tell ya that much.
>he actually thinks feminists go out on traditional dates and expect to be white knighted!
Stop posting about things you don't understand. Nobody wants to read your imaginary ramblings.
I wouldn't even go on a first date that would cost either of us any money. I'd far prefer to get to know a woman by chatting at the park or something like that.
After that, I would insist that we each pay our own share of any dating expenses, and that would continue at least until marriage when arrangements might change.
Yes, I do realize that I'm autistic and will probably die without ever taking a woman on a date.
>thinking this was clever bait
>thinking this was a clever post
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this is how i feel
imo it's a red flag if someone doesn't offer to pay or split the bill (especially after a few dates when interest has been established)
in long-term relationships, i think it's nice to split bills proportionally. i was in a relationship where i was making half as much as my SO and i hated going out to eat. now that i'm in a relationship with someone who makes less than i do, i'm really excited to treat them and i'd be fine paying 90% of the time
If Its my girlfriend and I've been with her for a long time then sure I'd be happy to pay for her. If I was gay and had a bf I'd do the same thing. If itbwas a first date or just going out as a friend/with friends then no that bitch can pay for herself
>he continues to delude himself that feminists - known haters of traditional gender roles - want to be treated like ditzy princesses and be taken out for expensive dinners by patriachal gentlemen
Getting flustered, anon?
>implying it was presented as bait or cleverness
>going on some retarded rant because you're triggered by truthful mockery
>being completely oblivious to the fact there was a massive thread about this only yesterdaty because you were too busy upvoting on Reddit like the newfag cunt you are.
basically this. women never feel like they have to do anything because despite all feminist rhetoric about men and women being equal, you are the one who has to prove you're worth the time of any woman you hang out with because they're all spoiled, narcissistic brats
Or maybe its because you're approaching a random person and trying to show /them/ what kind of person you are
It literally doesn't matter if its a guy or a girl asking someone out, either way they're the one who should pay seeing as the other person is being kind enough to actually give them that chance
I have never seen a girl ask a guy out for a date or a girl having to prove that theyre worth the time to a guy. I've been alive for 23 years and have met a fair amount of people. Above 30 or so
If you aren't paying for a date, she will just move on to the next man who will unless you are literally the most attractive man she has ever met. She can just go on virtually any dating website and get hundreds of hungry men who will easily part with their money for her attention.
Unless the woman offers to split the bill you're going to have to pay up. Otherwise she will just leave and make things extremely awkward.
No-one should start off having to prove something to someone else. It should be either that the two people like each other or that they decide that there is a possibility that they might like each other.
Always set bill on table upside down. Unless someone specifically requests the bill then I lersonally hand it to them. Always ask seperate or together before totally the table. Get funny looks from the married folk. Still a better waiter than my coworkers. All two of em.
Just take her to chipotle or Starbucks or some other place where you have to order the food yourself. Problem fucking solved. I've seen women literally using guys for nothing but free food, all you betas here are just feeding these cunts so they can go fuck Chad with a full stomach and you sit there thinking you're such a fucking gentleman when you're pathetic bitches are nothing but jokes.
>went on a date last night, first time in years
>bought her a drink, things going well
>she buys the next one
It took me totally by surprise, really nice though.
shame she hasn't spoken to me since, back to normality then
I live in California, known for their liberal views, and the general consensus is whoever asks pays (usually this ends up being the man) but in terms of relationships, it's often 50/50. Or 60/40, whoever makes more money.
Of course you have the guys that drool and pay for everything for their bitchy girl, but that usually only happens when the girl is a mooch and out of his league. If a guy dates within his actual and not perceived league, it's usually not a money sink.
Disclaimer: I'm not in the dating scene but a casual observer of trends among various social circles.
>Wanting to be with a girl who uses you for money
>tfw I take my guy out to nice restaurants and pay the bill
>tfw drop 5k on suprise weekend vacation
It's kinda fucked up though some guys get mad ass pained when you do this.
I'm being completely serious some guys get mad ass pain over this insecurity I guess or they have it stuck in their head it's what the man is suppose to do.
>plan nice suprise vacation for boyfriend and I
>Tell other manager I'm taking xyz day off
>he asks what I'm doing
>rreaction "that's fucked up that's what the man is suppose to do"
I was shocked and all I told him was im sorry your gfs are gold digging bitches and don't think to do nice things for you. You do this shit to yourself.
>"that's fucked up that's what the man is suppose to do"
but in all seriousness, this is one of the few things about feminism that I actually support, and yet some men are still retarded enough not to (even though it benefits them)
>they shouldn't exist even though the only people who have a problem with them are a minority of failures who can't even get dates to get flustered about paying for.
100% confirmed omega
>all males are as omega as me and think the same things I do!
Nobody I knows cares because we're not poor and we're not dumb enough to try to date women who clearly aren't into us enough to make dating them worthwhile
I like being able to support myself and have expendable income I don't know why women don't enjoy this.
It feels good to be able to pay and do nice things for your guy.
In my situation it makes a lot of sense too I triple his income why the fuck wouldn't I pay.
>It's pretty obvious you can't
I had a date only 2 weeks ago. I refused to pay for her meal, hence there is no second date
>No-one who claims they're pretty sure what other people think is having any success with dating.
and why would that be?
>being so utterly delusional you think being at the bottom of the social heirachy is superior
>he thinks being a cheapskate is rational and that he is certain most men think like he does.
Not everyone is poor and cheap and selfish like you, anon.
>asking someone out on a date and then making a point of not paying for them and then getting rightfully rejected.
Are you really this unaware or do you genuinely think you're doing the right things here?
Thanks for proving I was right about your complete lack of success, by the way. Maybe you should actually speak to some men if you'd like to know what they think instead of making stupid assumptions based on your idiotic opinions?
>Are you really this unaware or do you genuinely think you're doing the right things here?
I'm not unaware, and I'm certainly doing the right thing (by paying only for my expenses, and not the expenses of others)
>being a greedy, selfish miser
What's better about it? It's not like you're talking significant amounts here - oh, wait, is the cost of a meal something you consider an amount of money worth getting concerned about having?
>Thanks for proving I was right about your complete lack of success, by the way.
in what way was I not successful? I succeeded in living according to my values. also this "success" you speak of is a meaningless Spook
>Maybe you should actually speak to some men if you'd like to know what they think instead of making stupid assumptions based on your idiotic opinions?
I have, and most of them agree with me (the ones that aren't beta, that is)
Might as well ask here.
What the fuck do you even do on a date? Do I need to have some kind of plan or something? Do we just get food and talk about whatever we feel like? I'm a stingy bastard who can only talk about hyper-specialized topics so this seems like a death trap for me.
Obviously, I've never been on a date.
I'm not "failing" at anything, because I never wanted to "succeed" at those things in the first place
Only a poor, selfish, cheap person could be righteous about not being abel to afford to pay for a meal for someone they asked on a date.
I'm sorry this upsets you, but there really is something wrong with someone who lacks the generosity implicit when you date someone.
>openly being this selfish and cheap and somehow being smug and righteous about it.
Hi. I had surgery and painkillers made it difficult to focus.
>I didn't get laid and the person who I asked out won't date me again but I succeeded
>all men agree with me and the only ones who don't aren't as awesome as dating champions like myself
>being a cheap, miserly prat is "principles"
Whatever you say.
>I'm totally taking my ball and running home crying - the post.
Please stop trying to convince people this is true. Nobody believes you and you just look sillier and sillier.
>not being weird and cheap is "moral high ground"
Oh, abnormie, you really will say anything to try to convince people you're not a total fucking retard.
>thinking you're convincing in any way
>he doesn't understand what a beta actually is in 2015 and persists in trying to meme that they're inferior.
You'd crawl over broken glass and have salt poured in the wounds to be considered at the very bottom of beta status.
It was elective and preventative. I've been fairly public about it to my social circle so I'd rather not say the exact procedure as it could identify me.
But nope. Misandric as ever.
The problem here is that you fail to realize that the tradition of paying for a woman etc had nothing to do with her wealth. It was considered a "chilvalrous" kind and generous act.
And if you have no problem paying for the bill on a date, you're just a kind man.
I mean, if you don't you're not being mean, you don't have to. But the point of kindness is when you do something good when you don't have to. I don't get why people complain so much about this. If you really have a problem with paying split the bill. It's that simple.
>You'd crawl over broken glass and have salt poured in the wounds to be considered at the very bottom of beta status.
why would I? I have no desire to climb the social ladder when there's no point in doing so, the only winning move in this game is not to play
>he still thinks this is his haven
it is, while you on the other hand don't belong here
>being this obviously new
except I've been here since the board was created
>getting this flustered at being called exactly what he is
I'm not "flustered" as you put it, in fact I own up to the term of "omega" because it means I'm superior to yourself
>It was elective and preventative. I've been fairly public about it to my social circle so I'd rather not say the exact procedure as it could identify me.
I enjoy reading about your awareness and observations. Your perspective is very interesting. Really glad you're back.
>I have no desire to climb the social ladder when there's no point in doing so, the only winning move in this game is not to play
>I'm a complete failure and a disappointment
>I'm reframing this as a choice
>please believe me
>claims to be here from the start and that this place is a haven for his kind
100% confirmed newfag, probably from Reddit originally.
>still trying to convince me that being on the same tier as the intellectually disabled is superior.
KEK - abnormies will shift the goalposts anywhere and then insist they're winning the game. Gotta give you credit for your complete lack of shame.
As much as you don't want to believe it I wouldn't cheat on him.
A. I have no reason too I love, respect and enjoy being with him for who he is.
B. If the relationship went bad to the point I would even consider it we would have to have a serious discussion and at the end the result would be we separate or work on our problems. We're both rational adults there is no need for that kind of bullshit.
>implying you 'consider' cheating
As if it isn't a fucking instinctual, biological, impulsive thing. Women literally don't respect a man if he earns less than them, and if a man who does earn more comes along with the higher social status that comes with it, RIP your c-u-ck of a bf.
depends on where you live and the people you associate with. Most of the girls I've dated have been moderate-feminists, and certainly don't expect me to pay for everything.
Now that I've got a gf she pays for my stuff all the time when I'm broke, and I return the favor when I can. It's fairly equal.
Advice for robots - prepare to pay for a first date, but use it as a litmus test. It's a red flag if she expects you to pay.
inb4 normie get out reea
U wot m8?
Money is a secondary sexual characteristic. It signals beta provider.
Women make up their minds about sex within a minute or two.
Wealthier guys are for LTRs and getting kekked by the broke but hot and dominant gardener.
Here's the deal bud if i wanted a chad I could have it.
Chads are piles of shit I've spent enough time around those kind of men at work and I've never wasted my time. They are self centered, manipulative and they want to conquer a woman not form meaningful relationship. They don't deserve respect.
My guy deserves all the love and respect I can give him. Money isn't an issue with him. He is quiet, reserved very sweet, loyal to his family and he's wonderful to me. He's not a very social person he dosent like most ppl and to be honest I don't either.
So what possible reason would I have to hurt him, betray his trust and ruin a loving relationship?
I never pay for a grill on the first date.
Maybe later if I feel like it but I don't do it anymore than I would for a friend.
I go on a lot of coffee dates via tinder.