Women aren't sexual beings and only pretend to like sex, prove me wrong.
Women pretend to like sex because it gets them attention and resources, and a relationship with a guy who feeds her masculine energy.
Women don't drive any segment of the porn industry. Women don't like femdom (if they were really sexual, they would at least occasionally enjoy something like this). Even claims about the female orgasm are questionable. Apart from Cytheria and her squirting, i've practically never seen what appear to be genuine orgasms in porn - and these are hot women having sex with very often attractive, masculine young men with large penises and lots of sexual experience. Even science has massive trouble trying to make any notable observations of female sexuality.
Why should I believe anonymous posts from internet tough guys who claim they've been with girls who've orgasmed?
>drawing conclusions about real world relations from pornography
The people in porn sit around doing that shit for hours using viagra to keep them hard, there is nothing sexy about it. It's not surprising they don't orgasm.
Girls love sex, just not with the bottom 80% of guys.
No one has to know that you have a dick inside you. Besides, at this point it's already too late. Whether or not you have sex from now on won't make a difference to your impurity.
So you're the first internet tough guy in this thread. I'm OP and I'm happy to admit I'm a virgin and not particularly attractive to women. I'm posting this thread from the pov of someone who's never been intimate with a woman - I'm challenging someone to show me how I'm wrong.
Let's assume tomorrow I sleep with a girl and she doesn't have an orgasm, this wouldn't significantly alter my position. If she did appear to have an orgasm, she could easily be faking it, or she could be an extreme outlier. There are tens of millions of clips of porn online, and I really can't find even 1 in 100 clips or so that show what appears to be a genuine orgasm, this is including amateur clips. I don't see why real porn is that artificial. For the woman involved, she gets a hot guy to have sex with, she's the object of desire by that guy and the people she knows will be watching the clip. There's really no huge reason why women should enjoy it less than 'real' 'private' sex.
>Girls love sex, just not with the bottom 80% of guys.
As I see it, women love the social aspects of relationships and sex more than anything else, and this is a major reason why they go for the top 20%. Otherwise they could just fuck average guys more often and still enjoy it somewhat.
OP here. For the attention, and whatever is 'different' or 'better' about the guy OTHER than the sex. The guy she cheats with is more charming, has a different repertoire of entertaining and funny stories to tell, he may be liked by more women, there may be a huge physical element with his physical looks being better - but this is a weaker sexual and even non-sexual factor.
women actually use sex as a bargaining tool,mind control tool and a manipulation tool. Having sex with women will literally turn you into a mangina beta faggot who does everything she tells you.
She probably wants to keep the benefits of staying in the relationship with the guy she's currently dating. So perhaps the guy she cheats with is more sexually attractive, perhaps it's often more about sex with the guy she cheats with - but it isn't the primary thing because her drive isn't that strong.
Have you ever binge watched porn for 3 to 4 hours and went limp long ago but kept stroking yourself any ways even though your dick was on fire?
It's not hot, you can't orgasm at that point, it's something you are compelled to do, you have to finish. That is what porn is like, they get paid to do it on cue with random strangers, it's gross.
There are chicks all over the world in the most religious countries that risk death just to get some. Girls like sex more than guys do, but only with the top 20%. It's like a running joke that chicks in a relationship have to finish themselves off after the guy is done, it's because they find average guys unattractive but they hang around for the social and material benefits.
>Women aren't sexual beings and only pretend to like sex, prove me wrong.
There's no way you don't realize how absolutely ridiculous that claim sounds. Either that, or you suck at using your brain and reading books.
>Apart from Cytheria and her squirting, i've practically never seen what appear to be genuine orgasms in porn
And then you somehow think a specific sample of women is properly representative of women in general.
Yeah, I really hope this is bait. It must be bait.
I'm a woman and I masturbate to porn regularly and get sexual pleasure from it. I'm a lesbian though, so I might just be an outlier due to my abnormally masculine sexuality, but women do experience sexual pleasure from clit stimulation.
my girlfriend likes sex more than me, dont think I've ever initiated once since whenever I'm horny shes already ready
it's also pretty obvious sex is better for women since their genitals are more sensitive and they can cum multiple times and enjoy the whole thing rather than chasing that one event of release like sex is for guys
women definitely like sex. it's just that they only like it with a small percentage of exceptionally attractive men.
men will generally sleep with most women 4/10 and above, so to us it looks like women aren't sexual. but they are, it's just that they have incredibly high standards.
I love femdom though
really funny how /r9k/ swings between women being degenerate sex crazed whores and completely sexless beings
Strapons and chastity cages were literally developed entirely by men for men who have the fantasy and ask their wives to get involved. I can believe that you might enjoy femdom to some degree, but it's probably a very weak desire.
>really funny how /r9k/ swings between women being degenerate sex crazed whores and completely sexless beings
We're not all the same person, anon.
Look OP, what you're describing is just a derivative of the overall dynamic that generally occurs between our two genders....let me break this down for you bro:
Women enjoy fucking in different ways OP. For example, us dudes enjoy sex, y'know....nothing crazy about that to us. Chicks are far more emotionally invested. They enjoy fucking us in different ways, namely fucking us for our time. That's the most goddamn valuable asset a dude has and that's what chicks are after: fucking us for our time.
Then remember, they'll always be attracted to certain aspects of you in which you're better than them whether intelligence, income, physical attraction, or you being cool/your social status. Then, subconsciously they'll seek to tear it/you down. Tbh it's not their fault and it's not something maliciously done by them....it's just something they do and if you let it happen then you have nobody to blame but yourself in all honestly. Always be on your toes man and make sure shit is 60/40 in your favor in a relationship, especially in the aspect of it that you have an advantage of. I've never seen a 50/50 relationship or a female-dominated relationship last.
All that shit you mentioned from porn and stuff ultimately doesn't matter, just keep the above points in mind, and you'll be set.
Honestly, I'm a grill and I don't think girls really enjoy sex either.
I'm in a loving relationship with a guy who likes to fuck, and I love him so of course I indulge him. I even let him think that I'm hungry for it, and beg him for it because I know it's what he wants to hear. He cuddles me when he doesn't feel like it, and takes me to places I know he doesn't get enjoyment out of going to, and I think those kinds of little sacrifices are what makes a good relationship.
It's not that I dislike it, it's just kind of a time waster and the clean up is a bore.
Of course, with that said, I still can orgasm and everything. I don't think that part is really correct.
It feels good? But like, chocolate cake is good, and a lot less effort, and I'm not obese or anything.
I don't know man, I really don't think those girls out there slutting it up tonight are going to be out there really for the sex, but for the emotional validation and the ego feeding.
At first I thought you were just making fun of him by reading his post in that aspie voice. Then I realized, holy fuck, that might actually be your omega aspie voice. Jesus Christ, you sound retarded.
Women do enjoy sex. They enjoy it with the top 20% of men. They REALLY enjoy it with the top 10% of men. They go crazy for the top 5% ( and psychopaths, thugs, murderers etc)
The idea that "women don't enjoy sex" is often paraded by inferior men (The bottom 80% ) as a reason to why their Gfs don't actively participate in sex. Believe me, she goes wild for chad. She's sending him Nude pictures. She's going crazy for those superior genetics.
I'm undecided. The thread is meant to give me new insight. As a Wizard, I have very little direct experience of female sexuality. I'm aware that many posters here, like >>24074905 like to claim that it's sexual desire that leads to women chasing Chads, but I'm just not that sure. In my experience women are far more interested in the social and status aspects of relationships, even the girls I know that seem to have higher sex drives seem to place it very much in a social context.
This isn't to valorise women as somehow morally superior to men, I think most women use sex as a weapon of control, and use the fantasy of strong female desire to seduce men for psychological, not sexual reasons. Whenever I've really interviewed women, they seem to start off really excited by my own hypersexuality, but gradually grow less interested and even seem to come pretty clean that they're much more vanilla and boring than I'd hoped.
I'm just really critical and suspicious of these >>24074905 sorts of claims because I feel like they're actually meant to provoke in men a sense in being justified in handing control and power over to women, rather than resisting them. Almost like a serpentine lie masquerading as a truth about female nature that empowers men, but really disables them.
Yeah, I'm in an autistic mood.
I think that makes a lot of sense, really.
When I think of the girls I've met who like to sleep around, they've all been
- really depressed
- getting back at ex boyfriends
- treating it like a competition
which really all seem like psychological / emotional things to me.
I think if you told a guy he could have sex with any girl in a room, but no-one could ever know about it and the girl wouldn't say anything to him, a lot of guys would do it.
I think if you reverse the genders, then
well, you know what I think would happen.
I have sex every day with my husband, watching porn and thinking it's an accurate depiction of human sexuality is honestly like people who watch action movies and think they know about real life gun battles, it's all staged with paid actors and purposefully over the top.
Man, you're dense. Never pay attention to what women say. Pay attention to how they act. Women are often engaging multiple sex partners across years. They will often indulge in quick, casual, but passionate sex with Genetically superior males.
Women will also describe these encounters as very enjoyable. Again, Women actively pursue sex AS AN END, rather than a means. It has nothing to do with empowering males or whatever bullshit you're talking about.
>Genetically superior males
Hi back piller.
I don't just reactively believe what they say. Plenty of women are pretty open about how slutty they are. I've had lots of girls tell me about their threesomes, swallowing multiple men's semen, etc. A lot of what I'm saying is just inferred from the way they describe things, not an explicit answer to a question.
>Women will also describe these encounters as very enjoyable
Plenty have to me, but the point is I get the idea the pleasure is of less importance than things like being able to say she's had her fun and slept around, or slept with this particular guy, etc.
Been with a chubby normie grill for 4 years now. I proposed this year and we decided to not have sex until we get married. It's been maybe 2 whole months and it's interesting to see what has changed. Before, I felt I constantly badgered her for sex;now that it's off limits, she wants it just as much as I used to. I, on the other hand, have more self control in this area and it's actually quite satisfying to be desired sexually.
I guess the point of all this was to say, yes, women are sexual beings that actually do desire to have sex. Sex drives are highly variable though, and some people (not just women) have less interest in sex and will use it just to keep a man happy (see >>24074667)
>Women don't drive any segment of the porn industry.
Mainly because what they enjoy in porn isn't a big money maker. See fanfiction, there are literally millions of stories written by women as a hobby, much of it being straight up gay smut (along with just regular romance). This is much more suited to women than shitty acting in porn made for men because it's emotional, it's genuine, it's about characters they're already attracted to, and it can be plot driven. Fan art and doujinshi is another example, for anime in particular.
Most normie women just need to broaden their horizons and then maybe they'll be more sexual. But they just read 50 Shades of Grays in the same way they just listen to the top 40, and never find out what they really, truly like.
>assuming women aren't sexual because we don't enjoy porn made for men
>has literally never been to DA, fanfiction.net, archive of our own, tumblr, etc
Lol ok buddy
>implying men are worth anything in bed
There is a reason why statistically, most women have faked orgasms. It's because men are bad in bed and women need more than an in and out motion to get off.
It's actually strange how ignored that shit is. There are all these girls out there who write hundreds of thousands of words of porn for fun and other women to enjoy, it can be a big time and effort investment but men think they need to passively sit and watch lame porn instead to be sexual.
Yep. There's a vast community of authors and artists that create terabytes of porn for women but for some reason that's not a thing to men.
OP said something about how is weird that women in porn don't have genuine orgasms. Uh, they don't have genuine orgasms because sex isn't just physical. Not only that, but porn usually doesn't portray acts that feel good for women. I worked for a porn company for four years, and porn actresses usually don't orgasm because many things take them out of it. Like, they don't know the actor(s), it's painful, it's been going on for too long and it's chafing, too many people around, he isn't doing anything genuinely pleasurable (FYI hammering away after five seconds of oral and roughly jabbing at what might be the clit doesn't get girls off).