Ok this is blowing my mind: a significant (i.e. double digit) percentage of women enjoy having sexual rape fantasies.
I really cannot understand this. All in the media, at uni, in my society, it's drilled into me that RAPE IS THE WORST CRIME BLA BLA BLA WORSE THAN MURDER RAPE IS EVIL IT'S THE WORST THING TO HAPPEN TO WOMEN IT DESTROYS THEM BLA BLAA.
And at the same time that all this retarded shit is being nailed into my head, women are secretly fantasizing about being raped?!!!
Holy fucking shit. Somebody please explain this.
Fembots (lol), explain yourselves. You dirty lying disgusting whores.
Explain yourselves! RIGHT FUCKING NOW. I am extremely angry about this, you lying fucking whores.
When somebody says they have a rape fantasy, it doesn't mean they want to be raped. It means they want an idealized, safe setting where somebody will dominate them "against their will."
Rape fantasies and rape play are not about what rape is in the real world.
Rape fantasies are like having a make-believe fight with your best friend when you're young. No one gets hurt and you both have a good time. Then real rape is when some stranger punches you in the face full-force. Awful.
All of my girlfriends liked it rougher than I felt comfortable with. I was taught to be gentle with women.
I even used to do that ask at every level shit, they all told me it was a huge turn off.
I couldn't really get into it until I got married, my wife helped me deal with the idea that I was abusing her while I was really just fucking the way she liked.
The idea of rape can be pleasurable to both sexes because it's shocking and involves domination and violence and potentially death. I've personally fantasised about giving a speech on men's rights to an MRA convention and then being kidnapped and raped by Grimes and Lauren Mayberry wearing strapons before they strangle me to death. In reality both of them would smell funny and probably taste awful and they'd probably give it an half-assed effort.
Regardless of the issue of fantasising about rape, the 'rape culture' hysteria is almost entirely a way for women who want attention and money to do so while giving more power and resources to women in general, and to encourage a misandric culture in university spaces and so on so that men feel aggrieved and leave, allowing women freer from male competition for qualifications, and allowing them to continue turning universities into brothels. Rape has always been a go-to issue for women who want to exploit the male and female tendency to ignore logic and justice when it comes to protecting 'their' women. Yes, most of the women who are leaders of this movement or who are particularly outspoken about the issue probably want to be gang-raped by Chads, but it's not really something you can use against them, because it's a woman's right to be gang-raped by Chads if she so desires...she just reserves the right to have him imprisoned if she regrets.
I know, i've been trying to find a new place as far away from those faggots for a long time but I can't seem to find anywhere 8ch is not that good and trp/mgtow reddit is just a hugbox of the same shit over and over again. wizardchan is so fucking slow they have like 5 posts per day
How could anyone respect women or out them in a position of power like CEO or President. They literally exist to be dominated. They exist to be the conquest of men and serve his balls and raise his kids, and they're happy when they do it
as someone with vore fetishes I gotta say holy fucking shit no
cause >tfw no qt giant plant monster girl to eat me
it'd just be painfully sad and despairing if you weren't swallowed whole after being teased and getting teased before your brains melt into nutrients.
They like to pretend they're so beautiful and sexy that any man who looks at them will completely lose control of themselves to such a degree that they're willing to break the law / violate social norms.
I do agree that it's a bit odd how common rape fantasies are given how rape is the WORST THING EVER according to many women.
But it basically comes down to the fundamental desire a lot of women have to be dominated. That's what turns them on, and rape is one of the biggest expressions of domination. If you can have that without the trauma, many women would.
People do the whole "let's pretend you're underage" thing too yano.
Honestly, I don't know why this makes you so angry. On one hand having sex without your consent is bad. On the other, pretending to have sex against your will and therefore fulfilling your desire to be dominated is fine because you are giving consent to it.
>that's like saying lets have a incest fantasy or you pretend to be a underage child while i fuck you
Yes? People also have those fantasies and play those roles, but that doesn't mean they want to ACTUALLY commit incest or child molestation.
Healthy people that have fantasies have a strong understanding that they are fantasies, not reality.
I think the violent video game comparison is a good one. Many people really enjoy violent video games or movies, but would never want to commit murder in real life.
I've talked to a few women who had rape fantasies, in most of the cases the girls seemed to basically want an excuse to have sex without taking responsibility.
So I talked to a female highschool teacher in Russia who was very specifically into the nonconsensuality aspect, not just 'rough sex' or something like that, she wanted to be RAPED. I think probably being around healthy, young, energetic males all the time but being technically not allowed to sleep with them probably creates this desire to experience the pleasure but without any responsibility.
I'm not a feminist. In fact, a lot of girls would probably be disgusted with my perspective on a lot of women's issues. I don't date white chicks, I wouldn't marry a lady with more than one or two sexual partners at most, and I think Western society, in general, is too appreciative of promiscuity for its own good.
But that's my opinion. I don't care what people do with their cocks and vaginas, provided there are some who live up to my standards left over.
OP's positing a poor opinion as fact. Nobody who fantasizes about rape wants to be raped. Rape fantasies are common because they let a person imagine an exciting scenario in which they can't say "no" and can submit without feeling guilt.
GL finding a normal, sane woman whose "rape fantasy" involves a filthy hobo sticking a shard of glass up against her throat and giving her AIDS in a back alley versus Sexy Burglar Chad with a six-pack and perfect aesthetics "forcing" himself onto her
>mfw my ex called me daddy and told me to slap her
Yeah. And just read that the slave girl costume from Star Wars will be banned now. At the same time: women all have 50 shades of rape fantasies. Lol
You can't win for losing as a man: either you're a toxic masculintiy fuckboy who engages in "rape culture" or you're not a "real man" and not dominant, not tall enough.
Women are batshit crazy schizophrenic these days.
There are many components to the rape fantasy. A lot have already been mentioned.
Being so extremely desired
Being able to let go because you have no control and therefor no responsibility
you do know that most rape that feminists talk about is date rape (which is statistically by far the most prevalent form of rape). I forgot the actual numbers but most rape cases are by someone the person knows, especially their boyfriend, date, or husband.
There's a lot to this.
A lot of girls have been told their entire lives that sex is bad and that if they have sex they are worthless and bad. They feel shitty about wanting to have sex. So they have to fantasize about being forced into 'committing this crime of sex' in order to not feel shitty about having normal sex urges.
>GL finding a normal, sane woman whose "rape fantasy" involves a filthy hobo sticking a shard of glass up against her throat and giving her AIDS in a back alley versus Sexy Burglar Chad with a six-pack and perfect aesthetics "forcing" himself onto her
You're being retarded here. The fact that so many women promote this idea that there's a 'rape culture', when most of them fetishise rape is a massive hypocrisy. Think about it, one natural aspect of sexuality is that you respond to what other people desire or what turns them on. So women are complaining that somehow a culture where 0.0001% or something of women are actually raped is a "rape culture", even when one of their, if not THE core fantasy of women is to be raped!!! Women regularly ask their boyfriends to simulate rape. These women are clearly expressing their natural preference for someone else to take responsibility, to be the dominant one, to 'take' them - but at the same time they're demanding that those who do anythnig remotely like this should be more severely punished.
It's like the friendzone thing, I've talked to three girls in the past week who openly told me they enjoy and consciously make the decision to make some guys jealous of them with other guys... they admitted this because they were caught in a moment of sharing, but then these feminists completely deny that there's such a thing as women who exploit or hurt men in this manner.
You're trying to reverse what I said into a feminist position.
Women aren't generally 'shamed' to any significant degree for sleeping around. Male virgins are shamed, males who ask for virgin wives are seen as creepy men. Women aren't shamed to this degree.
The example I gave was one where a teacher specifically isn't allowed because of grooming laws. It's the same thing with girls who have boyfriends, they have asked me to rape them so they didn't have to take responsibility for cheating.
Basically, yes. It's a fantasy about something taboo happening in a way that you would prefer it to happen. It's not really the springboard for rhetoric the way OP clearly wishes it was.
True. It's the same way with pedophilia even though you never see it depicted that way in the mainstream. The TV tells you to worry about the guy with the mustache, when the real offenders are usually someone you trusted.
"Date rape" is only a "big" thing because feminists use their own deliberately skewed surveys to claim it happens in large numbers but isn't reported to police (relying on crime statistics would show that rape is remarkably rare), and because feminists want women to be able to throw men in prison for simply regretting sex.
Cases like Steubenville come under the second type. A girl pursues a guy she likes, gets herself drunk (even ignoring the pleas of her friends not to do so), and then she has sex with him and his friends. The male gets charged and prosecuted even though he was drunk too. The responsibility and burden is placed on on the male, because the male is a scapegoat for female regret.
I dunno, m8, I can just kinda see where they're coming from.
I've got a girlfriend but I'm a bit bi. Never messed around with a guy and have no intention of doing it, but I'll occasionally whack to the thought of going to prison and being forced to suck off my attractive and muscular cellmate. It's sorta hot, I don't feel guilty because I have no choice, and, in my mind, I'm completely in control of what happens and what doesn't.
In real life, it'd be a sort of shit situation. You could get AIDS, ass-raped, pimped out to other prisoners, have a broomstick shoved up your ass, you name it. I'd want to kill somebody or myself if that actually happened to me IRL.
So I kinda get the perspective on this one.
If a girl regrets having sex so much that she calls it rape than it might as well be rape.
Faggots need to learn about gentle lovemaking and being attractive enough to score chicks that arent one drink away from blacking out.
Many women enjoy being dominated in bed, though feminists don't want to admit it. It doesn't match with their image of a strong modern womyn.
Also being raped means being desireable, as a man doesn't mind facing jail just to have the girl.
But openly admitting wanting to be raped would make a women look like the ultimate slut, so there is no way they would be open about that.
>my feels are logic and reason
Sex should be great for everyone involved, if a guy fucks it up so hard that the girl feels raped afterwards then he deserves any and all accusations.
Its a disgrace.
>A girl didn't know how to be straight forward and tell a guy no and leave me alone
>Guy gets sent 5 years to prison and has a record for life because he doesn't have the magic ability of reading minds or to predict that she is going to regret it in the morning
>girl clearly uncomfortable
>dude keeps railing her
>everything goes as long as she doesnt say no
>later gets accused of rape
>case so strong he actually gets convicted
Serves him right.
You guys need to realize that sometimes women wont say no because of the implication.
just because you fantasize about something doesn't mean you want it to happen for real, you can idealize it and it ends whenever you stop thinking about it and has zero repercussions because it's in your imagination
I'm sure most guys have action movie style fantasies where they're a badass hero killing the bad guys when they obviously wouldn't want to get shot at by terrorists in real life
I have rape fantasies
about raping men, but I would never do it irl since I'm not a sociopath
Go for it, if you think thats a good idea and that you have anything to gain from it.
Although in that case youd just be that faggot who:
>had sex with a fat nasty girl
>got raped by a girl
Lso she might not even get convicted so theres that.
Is this the real life?
Is this rape fantasy?
Chads dick in my ass,
I escape from responsibility
Open your mouth, look up to his eyes and see,
I'm just a staaacyy
I need all the sympathy
Because I'm easy come, easy go
Stupid boys will never know.
Everywhere the chad goes, I just want that he rapes me, rapes me.
Anon, just fucked a Chad. He put a gun against my head, fucked me silly, in his bed.
Anon, rape is not fun! But still I'd give my all to get fucked by him again.
Anon, uu yeaaa (anywhere the Chad goes)
I don't wanna die, I just wish to be boned by a cute criminal.
And carry on carry on, like nothing ever happened.
>Being forced to have sex
men fantasize about getting raped more than women kek
Emotional plague. The answer to fascism, nationalism, perversion, and a lot of pathological behaviour.
Basically, the repression of healthy sexual desire - your usual sex ed given by parents - leads on one hand to extreme puritanism (total supression) and suicidal tendencies or hypertrofied and pathological sexuality on the other (because a person, due to blockage, can experience a total release during sex, and so hungers for more).
What happens with modern women is that after centuries and centuries of sexual repression they are given free reign. On the superficial level, they are sexually free, but you can't erase from the body and the mind all the block built by generation of people.What we get? We still get people who aren't sexually free or healthy, who can release pent up sexual energy but not fully and satisfactorily, and so they turn to rape, repressive social movements (pay attention that what feminists project on men is the same stuff celibate monks, Western and Eastern alike, projected onto women during the Middle ages, which shows the conflict between sexual desires and imposed restrictions), perversion (BDSM, furry, you name it), or extreme hate (All men are rapists).
Things like this show how schizophrenic is the modern woman, and how far away from true sexual freedom she is, because modern feminism is a logical result of giving social freedom to people who are biologically blocked and physically sick.
If you want more, research the emotional plague. It explains a lot, especially about modern feminism.
I have not read a single post in here because you retards are hardly capable of anything but spouting imbecilic hateful bullshit when it comes to topics like this. See, I am a virgin too (at 24), I'm hardly social and I am most definitely a loser but I've realized pretty early on that being a bitter shithead is not the way to go.
To OP - there are differences between fantasies and reality. Have you never fantasized about things you would not actually do? Yeah.
Everyone in this thread, pretty much, has said that rape is awful. So how about the you get off your high horse. The only thing being discussed is what women like in fantasies and like to act out with the correct partner and situation.
No, women have dichotomous sexuality; they want both. It's called alpha fucks/beta bucks. They prefer the alpha for sex because they want the alpha's DNA. They want to be romantic with the beta to secure his resources.
Not that guy, but the Alpha is very often defined as a very good looking, overly sociable extrovert... often these guys aren't successful financially because they're too focused on yolo lifestyle and banging women and they don't need to aquire money to be with women... on the other hand those men who ARE successful financially but happen to be Alpha don't need to settle with the women they bang.
This was a major element of first wave feminism, they wanted to destroy the "provisioning role" of men because they believed in undermined "true love" (ie sex with alphas while betas pay).
No you moron, it means women will get the DNA of the top guys, but not try to commit to them because those guys have too many options to even bother trying. Therefore for their need of resource extraction, they turn to the betas
So beta men get sexless marriages and get cheated on despite providing everything.
what I'm angry about is not that people enjoy the act, but rather the huge contrast in attitude (bordering on hypocritical) between on the one hand they constantly say how rape is awful, and then on the other hand, women secretly in private they enjoy getting off to the idea of it.
How can they maintain the public image, and yet at the same time the idea gets her off sexually?
it's like somebody being crazy anti-pedo in public, and yet jacks off to loli in when he's alone. it's the exact same fucking thing and everyone would be pissed off and angry at a man who does this, and yet females can do almost the exact same fucking thing and it's ok?! how they can be blatant hypocrites getting off on the pretense of a brutal crime that is inflicted upon people, traumatizing in some cases to the point of suicide, and at the same time maintain a holy than thou attitude in the public arena? it's disgusting and don't give me any of that shit that a pedo hater who jacked off to loli would be called 'empowered' or anything less than a sick sad loser and shunned.
women SHOULD be shunned for thinking about such things - AND SEXUALLY ENJOYING THEM lie complete fucking sociopaths, while at the same time acting like it's the biggest crime in the world. hypocrite fucking deranged cunts.
any girl who has fantasies like this is not right in the head and should experience rape firsthand maybe they'd learn something they fucking cunts
how do you think people would view men if it came out that many were jacking off to the thought of rape? why should women who do this be treated any different?
It's easy to understand. When you fantasize the rapist do as you want. When it's real they do pretty much what you don't want.
People will give you answers like this >>24076277 or like this >>24076573
You can pretty much guarantee the vast majority of these people with these fetishes claim "oh we're just ageplaying, I would never actually have sex with a child" or "It's just a fetish, I'd never fuck my real sister" but when you change it so age of consent laws lower and you change that guy's sister to be more attractive and go with it then yes they most probably would go through with it. It's exactly the same for rape
Women want to be raped in the right circumstances. For most women it probably means an incredibly attractive guy to be rough and fuck them well
I hate women. I hate people. Life isn't fair
>Women aren't generally 'shamed' to any significant degree for sleeping around
Said on the board where most people will say a woman that sleeps around too much will get a roastie, that people are too promiscuous and that they want virgins.
This. They want to be raped by Christian Grey. He's rich, he's famous, he's always perfectly dressed, and he never shows weakness. (And if he does, they go straight to the cops and/or tabloids)
its a retard false dichotomy, in reality most single mothers are on welfare and there's nothing alpha about knocking up a single mother since hes going to get screwed by child support (two valid points MRAs have about fucked up things women do but get jettisoned as soon as its time to start whining about muh chad)
there is no hypocrisy, its like saying you support murder if you like horror movies, ones a real event and the others a stylized fantasy with no real consequences
and I'm guessing you would have a sperge out if anyone said men who have rape fantasies support rape irl
>Women want to be raped in the right circumstances.
that's literally not possible because then she could be consenting
>For most women it probably means an incredibly attractive guy to be rough and fuck them well
and how would that be rape? he could literally be beating the shit out of her and if shes fine with it its not rape
answer this people
how is this not any different from chris hansen jacking off to loli in his spare time? or chris hansen imagining fucking young girls when the cameras aren't rolling?
it's the exact same fucking thing and women should be rightly vilified for this sick behaviour.
In the real world you fucking idiot
Beyond some girls calling other girls sluts here and there, women just aren't "shamed" about sex by anyone but older generations who generally think the younger people would be better off not whoring around
It also just so happens that when men look for life-long partners they're going to value a girl that isn't a big fucking whore even though they didn't mind that when they wanted something casual when they were younger so it's not about "shaming" it's about men finding whores less attractive.
This whole 'slut shaming' is as fucking retarded as 'fat shaming'. I can't wait until 'shit-eater shaming' comes around to try to force entitled women to be attracted to men who just so happen to like to eat shit and find them attractive because it's purely a social construct that eating shit is wrong.
You can want something and not consent to it, you fucking retard
they fantisize about someone they find attractive raping them when they feel like being raped. It doesn't have to make sense, just like all those weird porn videos and all your weird thoughts while you masturbate.
a fantasy is just something you use to get off when you're horny. doesn't mean you want to actually do it, but it could of course.
it doesn't matter what people jack off to in their imagination. Imaginary things in a person's mind are not real.
Honestly I respect people cursed with pedophilia a lot when they actively speak against child molesters.
there's plenty of people who are sexually attracted to children but detest children being harmed IRL
also Chris Hansen literally did have an affair with one of the decoys on that show who looks about 13 and got divorced over it and hes getting his show back lol
fantasizing about something doesnt mean you want it to happen for real
I refuse to believe theres anyone who hasnt had a fantasy they didnt want to actually happen, weather it be having an affair, going off to fight in a war, crashing your car head first into oncoming traffic, lumping out an annoying co-worker, what it would be like to jump off a skyscraper, being on the run from the cops, getting mugged and fighting them off, running away from home as a little kid or that weird urge to throw your cellphone out of a moving cars window
knowing its 4chan you probably fap to traps but wouldnt want to suck a dick irl
Yeah dis nigga got it right. I fap to a lot of mom-style porn but I would never have sex with my mom or even think about it. same goes for stepsister porn and all those fantastic cinematic experiences.
But people would like these fantasies to happen if there were no consequences
Women don't want to be raped by some fugly nigger, they want super chad to come down and fuck them silly regardless of whether they would admit it or not. People don't want to run away from the cops then get tackled and go to jail for 5 years, they want to make a cunning escape and get away with some crime
All people are scum. If you took away the consequences of their actions then the absolute vast majority of people would do everything awful
I don't see how people could actually want to form relationships with people or respect them knowing that every single one is trash
>Ok this is blowing my mind: a significant (i.e. double digit) percentage of women enjoy having sexual rape fantasies.
Sexual submission fantasies. These are usually not violent rape fantasies.
Studies show men have even MORE sexual submission fantasies than men.
>want to do something that has absolutely no consequences whatsoever
You're just unintelligent then
Genuinely, it actually takes a decent level of intelligence to be able to imagine abstract concepts like a world where you actually don't have negative things happen because of your actions.
>It's easy to understand. When you fantasize the rapist do as you want. When it's real they do pretty much what you don't want.
Oh. You're lot smarter than most people in this thread.
>Rape fantasies are like having a make-believe fight with your best friend when you're young. No one gets hurt and you both have a good time. Then real rape is when some stranger punches you in the face full-force. Awful.
Or you're drunk all out of your mind, there's puke - most of it your own - all over you, you just want to get home, and some guy tries to make you touch his dick.
Literally die you fat tumblr whore. Women are people with brains, saying "no" isn't that hard. You're saying women are so worthless they can't even be held accountable for their own decisions.
>But people would like these fantasies to happen if there were no consequences
theres no such thing as no consequences in reality because reality doesnt stop when you stop thinking about it (if you kill someone thats a real person whos life you ended even if you never get caught, not a figment of your imagination)
>Women don't want to be raped by some fugly nigger, they want super chad to come down and fuck them silly regardless of whether they would admit it or not.
so you're agreeing that if a woman with rape fantasies got raped for real they wouldn't like it because it's different in reality?
you also seem to be confusing a stranger roughly fucking you to rape
>People don't want to run away from the cops then get tackled and go to jail for 5 years, they want to make a cunning escape and get away with some crime
most people would be terrified and be looking over their shoulder for the rest of their life
but in your fantasy you can imagine being more emotionally resilient than you really are since its NOT REAL
>All people are scum. If you took away the consequences of their actions then the absolute vast majority of people would do everything awful
most people have empathy and would feel like shit if they ever seriously harmed someone else, otherwise everyone would be a rapist since the conviction rates are so low
for example I could rape a man and never see the inside of a jail cell but I'm not going to since it's just a fantasy and I'm a voluntarist irl, I also fantasize about cannibalism but I'm a vegetarian irl
>I don't see how people could actually want to form relationships with people or respect them knowing that every single one is trash
sounds like a coping mechanism tttt (to tell the truth)
>for example I could rape a man and never see the inside of a jail cell but I'm not going to since it's just a fantasy and I'm a voluntarist irl, I also fantasize about cannibalism but I'm a vegetarian irl
L O N D O N
>theres no such thing as no consequences in reality because reality doesnt stop when you stop thinking about it (if you kill someone thats a real person whos life you ended even if you never get caught, not a figment of your imagination)
consequences for you
>you also seem to be confusing a stranger roughly fucking you to rape
It sounds like you're saying rape is only rape if it's something you absolutely hate rather than sex that isn't consented to
>most people would be terrified and be looking over their shoulder for the rest of their life
not if you love it, like most women
>most people have empathy and would feel like shit if they ever seriously harmed someone else
It's shitty leftover evolutionary altruism and modern western social constructs that make society like this. It's like how many people find the idea of killing and cutting open animals gross but when it was the norm people thought nothing of it.
If people could rape without it negatively affecting them then there would definitely be more rape
>sounds like a coping mechanism tttt (to tell the truth)
Or maybe it's true and everyone is too stuck in their little box of thinking since we're all primitive apes. Obviously a female couldn't understand such things since they live life on easy mode. There really never is the stimulation to think differently so they can't fathom any thoughts beyond the mainstream to be reasonable.
I think you call rape 'rough sex with a stranger' since you believe wanting something = consent. I also think you believe the bullshit about "I don't want to fuck a child, I just like roleplaying this kind of thing. I would never have sex with a child if the circumstances were all right"
Regardless, I hope you get raped and murdered. I hate you normal fucking nigger faggots
well, you don't come from a evolutionary history of being raped and subjugated without having no sexual response to it
submission protects them from further harm and arousal makes their pussies wet so the raping isn't painful
they turn these instincts to their advantage by practicing rapeplay in a safe environment
>consequences for you
most people would feel suicidally guilty if they murdered someone
>It sounds like you're saying rape is only rape if it's something you absolutely hate rather than sex that isn't consented to
I'm saying if a stranger comes up to you and says I'm going to throw you over that dumpster and fuck you so hard you bleed and you say sounds hot go for it then it's not rape
>not if you love it, like most women
I'm talking about being on the run from the cops kek
>It's shitty leftover evolutionary altruism and modern western social constructs that make society like this. It's like how many people find the idea of killing and cutting open animals gross but when it was the norm people thought nothing of it.
so you're literally agreeing with me again and saying people in this society dont want to hurt others... ok
>If people could rape without it negatively affecting them then there would definitely be more rape
here's a real redpill so we dont go back and fourth forever: rapists rape because they were sexually abused as children and they're reenacting it on others
this isn't even a gender thing since men literally get raped more in america than women thanks to the prison system
>Or maybe it's true and everyone is too stuck in their little box of thinking since we're all primitive apes. Obviously a female couldn't understand such things since they live life on easy mode. There really never is the stimulation to think differently so they can't fathom any thoughts beyond the mainstream to be reasonable.
I love thinking outside the box which is why I dont just copy edgy bullshit I read on 4chan, you also have no idea what I've gone through so dont talk shit tyvm
and yeah I do believe that stuff about roleplay or else you better lock up every gamer for being homicidal
ps funny you had to leave the stuff out about my fantasies because it goes against your narrative and probably makes you butthurt I'm more edgy than you
>most people would feel suicidally guilty if they murdered someone
Literally because society says so. You really think the majority of child soldiers going out and burning down some village and raping and killing feel bad?
>I'm saying if a stranger....
Your point isn't made here
Is it rape if a girl secretly desires rape but refuses to have sex with a guy and he continues and she enjoys it?
>so you're literally agreeing with me again
No. I'm saying there's some residual 'morality' that people have from evolution but the vast majority of thoughts about rape/murder being bad is social norms. Both of these things can easily be overcome with some logic which only leaves consequences negatively affecting you to be the factor that stops you hurting others.
>rapists rape because they were sexually abused as children and they're reenacting it on others
Completely blanket explanation for all rape which just isn't true.
>and yeah I do believe that stuff about roleplay or else you better lock up every gamer for being homicidal
People aren't fantasizing about murdering people when they're playing a game, they're just playing a game. It's not a fantasy about killing people IRL, the roleplay is of a character and you're killing virtual people.
>funny you had to leave the stuff out about my fantasies because it goes against your narrative and probably makes you butthurt I'm more edgy than you
There was no point in making the same argument again. When people fantasize about something they want it but it's reality and consequences that hold them back. People understand that in reality that violent rapists are AIDS ridden niggers rather than millionaire, chad, playboys
And you can't be more edgy than me, kid.
>It means they want an idealized, safe setting where somebody will dominate them "against their will."
This is what bluepilled fags actually believe.
Go watch the rape scene in Irreversible. It's as opposite to what you just described as anything ever depicted in film, but I've seen dozens of women say they masturbated to it.
The truth is that women are even more perverted and dirty-minded than men. Stop putting pussy on a pedestal, brah.
its pretty simple. women fantasy that a man wants them over anyone else.
in some women this comes out in a rape FANTASY where a man is willing to potentially ruin his life just to have sex with her.
>Literally because society says so. You really think the majority of child soldiers going out and burning down some village and raping and killing feel bad?
thats the worst fucking example ever since Y E S it TRAUMATIZES THEM FOR LIFE and they are miserable forever, its horrific how those experiences destroy them
this is also the reason why an american veteran comits suicide ONCE EVERY HOUR, war is absolute hell
you're seriously living in coping mechanism fantasy land if you type that without trolling
>Is it rape if a girl secretly desires rape but refuses to have sex with a guy and he continues and she enjoys it?
why yes if you dont consent to sex its rape
>No. I'm saying there's some residual 'morality' that people have from evolution but the vast majority of thoughts about rape/murder being bad is social norms. Both of these things can easily be overcome with some logic which only leaves consequences negatively affecting you to be the factor that stops you hurting others.
so if you take away evolutionary biology, social conditioning and consequences people would be just like the crossed comics... cant you see how far you're reaching here?
its like saying I want a house but with no foundation and no walls and no roof, you have no house at this point
>Completely blanket explanation for all rape which just isn't true.
sorry to tell the truth but that's why anyone does anything dysfunctional, they were wronged as children, so instead of feeling powerless they fuck up their own life with addictions and taking it out on others
to be blunt again you only think this way because your care givers were abusive when you were a child, I used to think exactly the same way you do since it's more comforting to imagine that's just human nature than admitting you were especially wronged by the very people who were meant to protect you the most
>People aren't fantasizing about murdering people when they're playing a game, they're just playing a game. It's not a fantasy about killing people IRL, the roleplay is of a character and you're killing virtual people.
but when women read 50 shades of grey that means they want to get raped in real life right?
and people fantasize about murder too so its a moot point
>When people fantasize about something they want it but it's reality and consequences that hold them back.
so people want their fantasies to come true but reality holds them back by being real........ ok.... for the third time we're in agreement...... thanks for being so understanding....
>People understand that in reality that violent rapists are AIDS ridden niggers rather than millionaire, chad, playboys
the vast majority of rapes are commited by someone you know, over half the time it's a female victim's boyfriend, not a homeless nigger in an alley, so it's really a moot point
>And you can't be more edgy than me, kid.
if you think you're so tough then lets cut the bullshit, tell me about how your mother abused you
>but when women read 50 shades of grey that means they want to get raped in real life right?
Exactly. But they don't want it to be realistic rape, they want millionaire chad rape.
>ok.... for the third time we're in agreement...... thanks for being so understanding....
You say you agree then argue against the same point
>the vast majority of rapes are commited by someone you know, over half the time it's a female victim's boyfriend, not a homeless nigger in an alley, so it's really a moot point
It is when you absolutely miss it. You're retarded
>if you think you're so tough then lets cut the bullshit, tell me about how your mother abused you
>hurr durr ur mum abused u!
Females are fucking retarded and you're absolutely useless. I hope you get raped more
i'm not a feminist cunt telling other women that rape is the worst crime.
yeah it's bad but i would defs put it behind murder.
i wouldnt say i have a full blown rape fantasy but i definitely like forced/perhaps overly forceful sex a lot. it's nice to feel desired in such a way.
i'm sure other girls have other reasons for their fantasy.
>Exactly. But they don't want it to be realistic rape, they want millionaire chad rape.
but its different for every other kind of fantasy of course and doesn't apply to men's masochistic fantasies I'm sure
>You say you agree then argue against the same point
yeah, if you took away all evolutionary biology, social conditioning and consequences then I guess people would act as if they were in a dream and do fucked up stuff since that'd be all their grounds for judging reality gone, but they'd probably also jump out a window trying to fly and die too so might not want to put too much credit on that
>It is when you absolutely miss it. You're retarded
well you just said AGAIN women dont want to get raped for real which is also what I'm saying too
>Females are fucking retarded and you're absolutely useless. I hope you get raped more
not so tough after all, or was it your father abusing your mother which is why you're concerned with women secretly wanting abuse?
that's the odd thing about edgemasters, you want to think you're so hardcore, but you also have to universalized cruelty to explain away your own victimization, so you end up having to deny the suffering of others and the miss the truly horrible things in this world and how they ruin someones life forever
I mean really, saying child soldiers are fine, thats the polar opposite of edgy, thats like some ned flanders type who'd rather stick his head in the sand and pretend the world is a beautiful place with no problems
>I have woken up to the patriarchy ever since a cislord oppressor told me my gender studies degree is worthless
>You are literally being RAPED right now
>I won't let patriarchal white cis males rape me
>All slut-shamers are rapists and privileged shitlords
>Me and my sisters played GTA5 for 30 hours to uncover a patriarchal bias
>I'm not a damsel in distress who wants to be saved by a tall strong hero
>I only have those 8 erotic rape fanfiction stories saved on my computer to wake up my sisters to the patriarchy
except if you wanted to get raped then it would just be consensual sex, you want to be edgy but you're arguing for a lack of suffering
if you want to be really edgy tell me how your parents treated you as a child
girls secretly love to be dominated, in the bedroom and out of it
this is also why chad gets all the pussy
he does what he wants while you try to be "nice and respectful"
never listen to feminists
If you want to be raped and don't consent to sex that doesn't mean it's consexual sex with a rapist. We've been over this
My parents were breddy gud :D
The only real difference is that they divorced when I was 4. The most insignificant thing I can think of in my life yet growing up dumbfucks constantly tried to make out like it was some terrible and awful thing and I was brave for going through it.
The only time a girl ever gave attention to me was when I treated her like shit. The instant I started to be friendly to her she started showing interest in other assholes
I find your average girl likes to be spanked/hair pulled/choked. If you do that enough with them eventually they\ll open up to being slapped in the face too.
Then there's the ones with abandonment issues who want to call you daddy and want you to call them yourr little girl.
Then there's the sexually abused ones that want to be punched, bit, slapped, cocks in every hole at once and covered in spit and cum.
>Wanting to be dominated by chad =/= some overweight druggie shoving his disgusting dick in their vagina
It's like I wouldn't mind a qt grill forcing herself on me, but I wouldn't wanna be buttraped by some fat guy in a dark alley.
I'm turned on by 18+ girls in school girl outfits, i'm not turned on by 8 year old girls in school outfits. It's all a matter of perspective and context.
>If you want to be raped and don't consent to sex that doesn't mean it's consexual sex with a rapist. We've been over this
if you WANTED to get raped then it wouldnt be rape which is by definition something you don't want
its like saying oh no I've been mugged because you donated to a homeless man
if you don't have a problem with it, then you haven't been wronged, obviously
>My parents were breddy gud :D
>The only real difference is that they divorced when I was 4. The most insignificant thing I can think of in my life yet growing up dumbfucks constantly tried to make out like it was some terrible and awful thing and I was brave for going through it.
that's another funny thing about edgemasters, a big part of your identity is how much hardship you've gone through yet have stayed resilient, but your parents cant be at fault for these hardships lest you acknowledge what you need all those coping mechanisms for
"the world is a horrible place where everyone would be a rapist at the drop of a hat, victims are asking for it and violence is mans natural state! I mean other than my parents they were fine" amazing
now I'm sure you'll pretend you were just kidding about being edgy and I've been trolled this whole time or whatever distraction
Last time, retardo
Just because you want something doesn't mean you consent to it for whatever reason
Like if you wanted to give money to a homeless person but knew you couldn't afford to give any money away so he decides to mug you. I guess since you wanted to give money to him it's fine then.
I can't even understand that last bit of drivel.
Go get raped