>>6453198 Most time invested? Math/Physics Most skill? Math Most stress? Depends, but it can easily be math or physics.
You're not good at math or physics just by being intelligent, geniality comes with practice. But they also need to have a lot of skill. And if you have the skill and the time (and a lot of luck), a decent job in any of both fields can be the most stessful thing in life even if you love it.
>>6453208 >Most time invested? Math/Physics >Most stress? Depends, but it can easily be math or physics. Confirmed for never having left his universities math department.
70 hour weeks for architecture students is an every day thing. They routinely bring sleeping bags to studio and get food delivered so they can work around the clock.
Meanwhile, pre-med undergrads have to deal with the fact that 4.0 GPAs are a bare minimum for acceptance into med school. They routinely retake classes they got an A- in because it's functionally the same as getting an F. Then, in med school, they have to deal with all the demands of any other grad school along with the insane levels of stress that come from residency and hospital work. Also, the obscene competition from undergrad not only doesn't stop, but gets WORSE, and even the slightest imperfection can permanently blacklist you thanks to the wonderful world of malpractice insurance that can and does get into the millions of dollars with even a single error at any point. All of that academic stress then compounds with the unholy amounts of psychological stress that comes with literally having peoples' lives in your hands every single day.
But no, your fucking differential equations and proofs are much more time consuming and stressful. Idiot.
>>6453236 Good to see another depressed fag. The thing is, I'm not talking only about the studing and grades (which mean NOTHING), but about being good at what you do (you know, have at least SOME CHANCE of getting a job). Studing in the end is easy, stop being so dramafag because you think you deserve some kind of award for studying a lot - it's your life, do whatever you want with it, nobody cares.
>But no, your fucking differential equations and proofs are much more time consuming and stressful. Idiot.
Proof that you don't even know what you're talking about. But hey, the thing that there're 100 times more architects or physicians than mathematics or physicists proves nothing.
By the way, I'm not a math student, so I barely ever leave my University math department because I barely ever enter there.
>>6453260 >Dispassionate knowledge of the impact of what you do >Actually, literally, watching people die and it's entirely your fault What, are you some kind of autist who can't understand how humans interact with each oth- Oh, wait, engineer. Right then.
>>6453291 >What is the joke "triple integrals" about?
It's a /sci/ meme. The joke is basically that a large proportion of /sci/ are first or second year undergrads and think knowing calculus makes them badass. And a triple integral is no more difficult than a single integral, but you don't typically do them until "calc 2" or "calc 3", so it's like something he 19 year olds can lord over the 18 year olds.
>>6453446 After having taken a few courses in chemistry I find it really hard to understand it all.
Math is math and physics is physics, but chemistry is such a fuckton of different rules and names that the scope just melts my brain. Am I simply retarded or is math and physics more easy to get a grasp of?
I took my required gender studies class at my school and aced it. I cringed at first and even logically argued with the teacher. Then I realized it it was just a losing battle, and I was playing with my grade for that class that will effect my overall GPA.
So I lied, and lied magnificently. The teacher loved me and of my understanding of "womyn problems." Sure I felt dirty, and like I sold out. But, it's required for that class.
>>6453466 To each his own, though as you said chemistry takes a little more memorizing rules and shit once you get the hang of it it comes with ease. With maths it's just: "this is the way it is and that's it"
>Be particle physicist >Working at CERN Probably the most stress-free job there is for a physicist. You seriously wake up every morning hyped to see what the fuck is going to happen today when you crash protons together at 14-15TeV (in 2015). Every day you will learn something new and it's always exciting to hear what other physicists have discovered around the world.
>>6453186 It really depends on your talents, and how good you want to be.
I'm studying maths and I've got a friend who doesn't really give much time into studying, and still writes 1,0's. I, on the other hand, spend nearly all day studying in the first year, which was a hard time, but worth it.
Same goes for meds, just with the difference that you can't beat it with pure talent, i guess you have to do more. But i also know some meds and they're drunk all week.
With Physics, you actually have to try and understand what's going on, but with math, all a math student cares about is "lol here's the answer, next question!". They don't try to physically answer what's happening?
>>6454002 I blame this misconception on the fact that most math undergrads don't give two shits about math and don't like proving things that aren't trivial. You can get by not giving a shit in your first year real analysis class but try that in a homological algebra class or a functional analysis class and watch what happens.
>>6453236 >70 hour weeks for architecture students This is true. A few can land a nice gig where they know some richfags, and all they have to do is add a few scribbles to a plan that intern slaves have painstakingly drawn every other week, then go back to posting on facebook about how misogyny is the reason they make only 200k and not 500k. But the opportunity for this rare, and it is hard to actually land.
>pre-med undergrads have to deal with the fact that 4.0 GPAs are a bare minimum No, average GPAs for admitted students range between 3.2 and 3.85. I'm sure the minimum in each class is much less.
>routinely retake classes they got an A- in because This is not routine. If you had half your classes A- and half A, your GPA would be 3.75 and it would take a year and a half to increase it to 4.0. That year and a half could be better spent on research, clubs, MCAT study, or other things that have more impact on your admissions.
>deal with all the demands of any other grad school Like publish or perish culture? Difficult, predatory research supervisors? Your lab losing funding halfway through your PhD? Uncooperative PhD thesis committees? Shit stipend, coupled to the very real danger of being unemployed when they graduate?
Obviously they also face stress, of different kind and perhaps bigger than grad students. But it certainly isn't "all the demands of any other grad school".
>>6453465 Instead of making such rules, why don't they just make the people who built it freely available, so that citizens can do their own research and if they don't think the bridge sounds sturdy enough, they can simply refuse to use it?
>>6453861 It's always nice to work in famous labs or institutes like that: The other research going on is always cool and interesting, and the rest of your lab always has cool projects that you can collaborate on and get on nice publications.
The flipside is that it is very hard to compete, and if you don't watch it you can easily start feeling like a worthless imbecile.
>>6454970 >so that citizens can do their own research and if they don't think the bridge sounds sturdy enough, they can simply refuse to use it? >letting average citizens decide on the safety and functionality of any type of engineering design that's what the experts are for
>>6454973 >>letting average citizens decide on the safety and functionality of any type of engineering design They can just make a sort of Yelp for bridges. Then you can take only bridges with 4.5 stars or more, or maybe if you're very old and disillusioned you can go as far as 2 stars.
>>6454978 Sure, why not? They can have stars that show how likely it is to explode, and they can have skulls to show how damaging it would be.
Same as how you can sort based on distance, price or rating on Yelp, you can sort reactors based on stars (likelihood of problems), skulls (magnitude of damage if an accident occurs) and blast radius to decide which one to buy power from.
Don't know if it's the most difficult, but Photonic Engineering has thrown me quite a few curveballs so far. Pic related, Lab Prof's idea of an introduction to MATLAB. >lel by the way MATLAB is important, so go produce theoretical analogs for your various Fraunhoffer far-field diffraction images by the end of tomorrow
>>6458210 Typical way in which pure mathematics affects the world.
>1800s - Pure mathfags putting lots of work into the wave equation despite no one being able to think of a possible use for waves. >1864 - Maxwell produces a bunch of equations to describe electrical phenomena. A simple manipulation of said equations then produce the wave equation, which leads Maxwell to predict the existence of Electrical Waves. >1888 - Hertz confirms Maxwell's predictions experimentally by detecting radio waves in a laboratory. >1896 - Marconi makes the first radio transmission.
>>6458210 yeah, clearly you are not thinking too hard about this. Pure math may seem unapplicable to you and some of it may not be applied to any scientific field yet, but eventually, every field will have a mathematical model that supports it. Algebraic fields like tensors and the like may seem very weird at first glance, but they can be applied to control theory with the use of some more advanced linear algebra.
tl;dr shut the fuck up and suck my mathematical dick
>>6458245 >Brotip: Humans would easily survive without radios. Without laws, there would be no society. >Actually believing this.
ahahaha yea, the first thing that comes to mind whenever I think about doing something unethical is whether or not it's against the law. This is also why everyone has a clear and complete understanding of the law and why laws are never broken, especially not by accident.
>>6458351 I'm studying Chemical Engineering in Denmark, and I find the mathematics and the mathematical branches of chemical engineering are easier to learn than the pure chemistry. However I think it's individually what people find hardest. The key is to love what you do I guess, noone said university should be easy.
>>6458425 iktf. i live with a EE and a phys ed major. >mfw he switched majors from pharmacy to aviation to history to phys ed >mfw he once said to me that his 200 level anatomy class was hard and Im lucky that i dont have to take it
They can be code monkeys (anybody can... I don't get why people think you have to study comp sci to be a code monkey, or that programming is the main thing computer scientists do), actuaries, teachers, risk management.
With an MS or a PhD, they can work in finance and make big bucks modeling and pricing derivatives, or doing high frequency trading.
Chem E guy here, The major is not that hard conceptually because I rarely get tested on theory, but the amount of bullshit that I have to go through is astronomical. I actually learned a fair bit of applied math (PDEs and fourier analysis), not at a level of math/physics persons, but still fair. Most of the time my classes only need me to take a derivative or integrals or a simple ode, all that time learning mutlivariable calc, vector calc, etc was wasted.
I have a few classes based that are only about getting the right number, and I have some classes that are more theoretical. It's a mixed bag.
>>6460383 Where are you at academically? Undergrad?
ChE doesn't challenge any scientific cognition until graduate school, and even that's not a given. In my department, there are multiple grad students that didn't know what boundary conditions were until grad school. Somehow they're all NSF fellows too. Pisses me the fuck off.
There's no really "hard" major. What is easy is what you are naturally good at, or have had extensive training in prior to your major. What is hard is what doesn't come naturally to you.
People who are bad at math will obviously see math as a hard major but there are people who find math easy or had top tier education in math since childhood and as such they don't find it difficult as their brain is wired for that kind of logic.
A math major may find a major less wired in objectivity (most liberal arts majors) harder as their brain hasn't made the connections that allow that kind of work to be done faster with less effort.
My high school education was much heavier in liberal arts than math and science unfortunately and I came out well equipped to write papers but poorly equipped to become an engineer. My first couple of semesters of college were kind of rough when I was transitioning but math has become considerably easier for me now. Conversely I now find writing harder than I used to.
junior year undergrad. I'm really hoping my senior year mass transfer, transport phenomena and physical chemistry courses will be more interesting. Capstone deisng project is all about making money for oil companies/
Hilarious. If anybody has ever wondered why any rumor of difficulty exists for Organic Chemistry or Calculus, you can blame the pre-med students. These classes are relatively easy compared to most STEM courses, but their perceived difficulty is blown up because the pre-med idiots can't even make it through either of these the first time.
You shouldn't be struggling with grades in a pre-med major. The classes are very straight-forward. However, I won't argue that med school is demanding, but we're talking about majors here.
As far as most difficult major is concerned, I would say it depends on the program. Depending on the school, some programs of STEM might be generally harder than others. It seems like math is generally a harder major.
So please, pre-madfags, fuck off. You fuckers can barely scrape through introductory Physics 1 and 2.
Getting a Phd at a elite university is the hardest thing - major doesn't matter.
Imagine getting thrown off a boat, drowning a little, thrown a lifesaver - but not pulled back on the boat, and allowed to wade in the cold water with the sharks indefinitely while periodically being threatened with the prospect of having your life saver removed by those on the boat.
>>6460614 What even makes O-Chem so difficult for people? I scraped an A with almost no effort, and can explain most of the trends. Why do others have so much trouble with Ochem, yet they can do physics and/or memorize every vein and edifice of the body?
>>6453466 Math and physics is straightforward and logical. Chemistry requires strong knowledge of math and physics, but has so many shortcuts you're rarely required to recall/practice it. On top of that, it suffers from a bad case of "old white guy naming syndrome," along with historical roots in sorcery, cooking, and pseudoscience. Couple this with a tendency to stress vague generalizations over rigorous proofs, and you basically have a mixture of every major form of intelligence (logic, memory, and abstract thought).
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