ITT: The stupidest shit someone has said to you, pertaining to science.
>"But Anon, dinosaurs didn't have feathers!"
>"Which came first the chicken, or the egg?"
I swear this person thought he had fucking destroyed evolution...
People understand "we don't quite understand everything about quantum motion and physics yet" as "Just say its 'because quantum mechanics' and nobody will know enough to argue with you"
360 and walk away?
Captcha: the fivemen
bear with me
1. humans/sentience possible
2. universe big
thus other sentience can and may exist
the problem is that many (self incl) don't understand 2.1
It is too big for there to not be others
And it is too big for the others to meet us
"look mom, science"
-Frank Drake, SETI
if you want to disagree
>"I believe in science!"
This one kills me, science is a mode of inquiry, not a belief system.
What they're trying to do when they say this, is create a secular religion of sorts. But science isn't a set of absolute "truths", it's a method.
Science is underpinned by a metaphysical belief system without which nothing in science makes sense.
I believe in science. Not as a tribal identity, the way some people "believe in America" or "belive in our church," but as a predictor of the future.
I believe the universe is rules-based, and that things follow the same rules. I believe tomorrow, the strong nuclear force will be as it was yesterday, and I believe that because of this regularity in the structure of the world, it is possible to make predictions about other things as well - if I believe a semiconductor transistor works like SO, and electrons move in a potential field like SO, and an audio signal can be described like SO, then I predict that attaching THESE transistors in THIS pattern calculated with THIS math will produce THIS sound experience, even though I've never done any of that before.
Just...too much shit.
I don't have a specific instance, but any time I'm talking to an adult (25+) and they're just blown the fuck away by science that you learn in middle school, I die a little inside.
Yeah well the strong force might be covering up something way over our heads the way some weird shit like sacrificing people during solar eclipses hundreds (might be thousands) of years ago "worked" for appeasing the sky gods and ending the scary eclipse
>so your a geologist does that mean you find gold?All day. Every fucking day.
You're also forgetting the core differentiator:
that if someone says 'this happened, and/or this is true' that other people will try it as well, and VERIFY that it is so.
In religion, it is all on 'belief' but in science (yes there have been some fuckups but they're tested and found wrong/false) it needs to be Tested before accepted, not accepted without testing.
We've all heard it
>the second law of thermodynamics disproves evolution
also semi related
>anon what are you majoring in?
>physics and math double major
>WOW YOURE GOING TO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY WHEN YOURE OLDER
"It may not be true for you, but it is true for me".
"Science doesn't know everything" as an answer to a scientific critique of any ridiculous belief.
Any occasion in which people use scientific findings to support their beliefs - even when said findings have nothing to do with them, i.e.
> quantum mechanics prove god
> quantum mechanics prove the Universe is a simulation
> quantum mechanics prove human thoughts manipulate the Universe
> quantum mechanics inspires total, unpredictable mortality and develops intuition for transforming the doorways to potentiality, reflecting the karmic belonging and imparting reality to ephemeral truth
> scientists discovered the God Particle - therefore, God exists
> etc. etc. etc.
"I don't believe in [a given scientific fact] because it makes me feel uncomfortable".
Any occasion in which people start with a conclusion and then cherry pick the data so that it matches said conclusion.
>"I can believe anything I want"
"No you can't, there is an objective reality", says I
>"Well you can believe that if you want"
I don't think I've ever wanted to punch someone quite so much before. Also >>6619572 do I win?
>:Schrodinger's cat was meant to be a criticism of the Copenhagen interpretation"
Whenever someone says stupid shit like this, we can immediately see that he never studied quantum mechanics on a level higher than pop sci youtube videos.
I fucking hate when people use QM to justify anything they feel like.
And when they say "Oh i read a study done in X that says that..." when the only thing they did was read of it from the newspaper.
>The reason chemical companies put aluminum in anti-perspirants is to “dry out sweat by injecting aluminum ions in the cells that line the sweat ducts. When the aluminum ions are drawn into the cells, water flows in; the cells begin to swell, squeezing the ducts closed so sweat cannot get out,” according to the Julie Gabriel, The Green Beauty Guide. I don’t know about you but this reaction is really unnatural.
>itt autists who are upset that other people dont agree with them
I've heard a ton of stupid stuff about psychology and psychiatry (just the usual stuff like schizophrenia=DID and thinking electro-convulsive therapy is still the cruel practice it was in the 50's) but the stupidest thing I think I've heard came from me.
I used to think that things aged differently depending on what planet you were on-as in, since some planets spin slower than Earth, they must be in some time warp.
>>"There are three forms of life: Animals, plants, and insects."
actually it's animal vegetable and mineral
rocks have growth rings just like trees
this rock is pregnant
when it hatches, a baby rock is born
another innocent rock that was murdered so it's babies could be turned into jewelery.
"Synthetic Diamonds are sustainable"
stop the killing of innocents
>so you dont believe in a god, but you do believe alien life form excist in our universe? LOL
although I must say ever since this I did shrooms I sort of see alot of resemblance between games and life, i mean, we couldve been created by something, and that was also created by something.
Think of it. Eventually we can create a computer game, say sim city 2trillion, so realistic, that the chracthers in that universe have their own coniouseness, complex thoughts and mechanics, etc etc everything like us.
And eventually they make their own game. Just as complex. And so on. Its a never ending loop!
Which reminds me of the time someone told me mdma destroys neurons each time and that with every time you take a pill, you get more depressed and not able to achieve the same state of happyness as before.
He was totally serious, and i was high at the time, pissed me off, i had to leave before shit went terrible.
>>race isn't real. Radioactive decay isn't dangerous because my cell phone and microwave aren't dangerous, so it's all hype. Copper is not conductive. (Concluded by my Elementary school teacher after I failed to make a circuit through an oxidized penny... I believed it for years)
>The glass state is the same as the liquid state.
I sperged out over this one, engaging in a 10 minute debate with the lecturer for around 100 people. The lecturer got really angry and lost her shit though, so I wasn't seen as the bad guy there.
>Copper is not conductive
I don't understand, how do people like these actually get to live in this world
Now, I'm not an intelligent guy, but the amount of stupidity that I witnessed and have had recounted, time and time again, always brings that question to my mind
Are people nowadays just too lazy to investigate and find out stuff for themselves? Doesn't anyone bother to foment the search for knowledge anymore?
>We are meant to be herbivorous
>Pineal gland's responsible for psychic powers
The best part is he ruined your shit because you actually gave a fuck and he didn't. Apathy trumps all. You may want to consider investing in Preparation H if you want to continue giving a fuck.
you know what's funny, the higgs particle was originally called "the goddamned particle" then the editor changed it cause he thought that would be offensive and now we're stuck with that stupid as shit nickname which has nothing to do with what the Higgs does
My dad reads a lot of pop-spirituality and Deepak Chopra shit. Any time I go over to my parents' house he always wants to talk quantum physics since I'm finishing up a B.Sc in Astrophysics and took more than a few classes on QM.
>Anon you should know that quantum physics is called quantum physics because it deals with stuff smaller than atoms
>Anon you should know that the randomness in quantum physics affects everything, so anything can happen at any time if you can figure out how to change the randomness
>Anon the quantum randomness can be affected by your state of mind
>Anon please, you should know that whenever you observe anything you change it, so how do you know that the sky is really blue, you're changing it by observing it after all
>Anon what are quarks and why do they all affect every other quark everywhere at once
>Anon quark is just a different term for quantum right
>Anon you should know that quantum entanglement means that we're all interconnected, and whatever I do also affects someone around the world on a quantum level
How do I even explain any of this shit to him when he finished high school before experiments even proved the existence of up and down quarks?
Of course I have no guarantee - hell, maybe God truly DID create the universe only 6000 years ago and just put this all in to fuck with us.
But I'm going to have to base my metaphysics on SOMETHING and "If there was a force of gravity yesterday, I will live my life and plan my research as if I expect there to be a force of gravity tomorrow" seems like a fine one.
>"Science doesn't know everything" as an answer to a scientific critique of any ridiculous belief.
Well science KNOWS that it doesn't know everything, otherwise it would STOP. That doesn't mean you can make up whichever fairytale most appeals to you!
>"I don't believe in [a given scientific fact] because it makes me feel uncomfortable".
I can respect that one - sure, it's retarded, but at least it's not like climate-deniers or creationists where they refuse to believe something because it would mean they'd have to change their politics and where they're trying to get their ridiculous beliefs forced into public schools.
>And eventually they make their own game. Just as complex.
Surely, it would necessarily be less complex? At a push, one could argue that it might be exactly as complex, but at that point you're just making a 1:1 model of a universe (i.e. you're just looking at a universe and proclaiming that every star and planet in it is a model of itself).
we discovered depleted uranium in the earth's crust. why?
a)God put it there to make us look stupid.
b)Remnants of a 2billion year old highly evolved and intelligent civilization on Earth.
c)Aliens done did it.
d)Naturally occurring nuclear reactions might be more common than we once believed. e)Earth's "Iron" core might actually be a reactor that powers our planet.
This is so retarded, the concept he is talking about for 8 minutes is the concept of cardinal numbers. When he said it's not a number he meant infinity is not a real number. If you want infinity as number, do the following: Let x be a singleton, identify the only element with infinity. Sweet, I got a number that is bigger than any other number (in that context) I could even perform addition or shit if I wanted. Or you extend the real line in the intuitive way, works as well. Or you add an infinity that is at both ends of the real line, you get a neat circle with sweet topological properties, with the euclidian topology it's compact, with the zariski topology it has similar neat properties.
"If humans evolved from apes, how come there are still monkeys today?"
"Vaccines cause autism. IT'S TRUE! My friend's cousin's neighbour's mother's aunt's friend's daughter was diagnosed with autism after taking the flu sho so there's definitely a cause/effect relationship here"
"Vaccines are dangerous, they have SODIUM CHLORIDE!"
>"evolution states that life came from non-life"
I swear whenever someone says this I go full on sperg-mode...
Which came firts the chicken the egg the chickenfarmer the architect or our ancestral ape forefathers. And that i said shut up second personality. That was when i was marcel proust in a prev life. Joke ... Joke. Pls, get bak,in yr seats.
>>Humanity started in Africa: fact.
according to science... dinosaurs could not live today, because their bones could not support their body weight in today's gravity. The same goes for dragonflies with 5 foot wingspans.
Prehistoric conditions were conducive to larger life forms.
If that shit is true, and i'm not saying that it is, then the largest humanoid remains found on earth, are likely to be the oldest. (not in Africa)
They are found in Russia, and North American digs. The bible, and other historical sources report Giants as far south as Canaan around 2000BC, where a boy named David supposedly killed one with a slingshot.
No giants found or reported in Africa, means man is not African.
Anything about gödels "god proof".
Those two words combined seem to make everybody go batshit crazy and instantly stop reading after the headline.
Worst is, when you try to explain:
>but he was a better mathematician than you are, you probably just dont understand it
>dinosaurs could not live today, because their bones could not support their body weight in today's gravity. The same goes for dragonflies with 5 foot wingspans.
>Prehistoric conditions were conducive to larger life forms.
>They are found in Russia, and North American digs. The bible, and other historical sources report Giants as far south as Canaan around 2000BC, where a boy named David supposedly killed one with a slingshot.
If we are to believe in evolution, wherein man can adapt to changes in the environment, and their is certainly a body of evidence showing that a human fetus's DNA is susceptible to gene mutation caused by environmental factors, then we should conclude that mankind will adapt to global warming conditions, and stop all this nonsense of carbon taxes.
>Alternatively, we could have an algorithm that generates a viable solution by selecting numbers one at a time to be in the set. But this is absolutely preposterous. This algorithm would be selecting a group of numbers-- all of which are dependent upon each other to produce the solution-- without having information about the solution. This algorithm would literally have to DEFY CAUSALITY to work.
>not sure if troll
what if something is simply the normal state of affairs. as far as physics knows, vacuum or nothingness is not even possible. why would we need something to turn nothing into something?
what if we infinite regress nao at a multiverse-level?
it is natural to ask deep questions about the origin of reality, but if you call god to save the day you haven't satisfactorily answered the question.
the knowledge derived from the scientific method that hasn't been deprecated can be defined as "science". Knowledge is supposed to be a special kind of belief, so "believing in science" or "believing in the knowledge derived from science" makes sense.
>taking calc III at community college
>near end of semester
>"wow dude i'm glad we're finally done with all the math!"
>"what the fuck are you talking about there's way more math"
>"yeah but all of the new math was made to apply engineering concepts so it's not really new"
>mfw this is what engineers actually believe
nigga ended up going to UCLA or someshit too
but this is partially true. I mean, water is slightly blue just as atmospheric air, and reflection of blueish light coming from above slightly amplifies the blue tone to some extent
>implying we aren't just as evolved as modern fish
anon, you should know evolution isn't a race to perfection. whatever that happens to survive at the moment is as evolved as the rest of species that survive. genetic complexity doesn't imply something is "more evolved"
"Earth is the only planet that pull things down"
me: "no it isn't
"So why doesn't the moon, por exemple, pull thing down?"
me: "it does, however the gravity, or what you call "pulling down" is weaker because the moon is considerably smaller than the earth"
"So why there is no life there?"
>"No you can't, there is an objective reality"
uh, that idea is something philosophers refer to as 'naive realism' and its a laughable stance but not surprising coming from /sci/. however I will say, it does no one any good to sit around going 'HURR WHAT IF OUR SENSES ARE FLAWED MAN AND WE DON'T PERCEIVE IT PERFECTLY MAAAAAN' we perceive it pretty accurately apparently as our senses have gotten us this far
You're conflating ignorance with stupidity. If you think knowledge of facts is what science is about, then I think I've read the stupidest shit someone has said to me, pertaining to science.
>walking home from school with friend
>anon, is the sun or the moon closest to the earth?
Nope. We don't believe God created the universe 6000 years ago for a very simple reason: that would be even more complicated to explain. This is based on the principle of Ockham razor. This principle is fundamental in science. God's non-existance is just an accidental fact, a good enough approximation of our reality which could change with future theories. Same as having time-invariant parameters. Basing your epistemology on something that science might very well prove wrong in the future isn't a very smart move. Funny thing is, philosophers used to say: "The basis for science is that any given experiment will always give the same result."
Then quantum mechanics came along...
this! Just because your high school teacher told you you shouldn't pretend it's a number, you can make it one if you know what you're doing. Mathematicians redefine numbers all the time depending on what they need
define "real" because I can look at a white guy then a black guy and conclude the difference is real.
you may be talking about how there is no difference in DNA but race certainly exist.
OP, for instance.
Some dinosaurs didn't have feathers, some did. Depends on the species in question. Even then, the stupidest thing by far are these dumbass epeen stroking threads you guys come up with on a regular basis it seems.
You will not get far in life with that attitude, that I can promise you. People say "stupid things" because they lack knowledge, because they wish to learn, and because it's the only way you CAN learn.
But I suppose it must be very therapeutic to act like a pack of wild animals bumping their fists to their chests here, anonymously, like a coward. Desperately trying to emulate the beastly behaviour of establishing your power and significance over the pack. That is definitely the height of intelligence and wisdom. Not at all pathetic, sad, and simpleminded. Oh no... *sighs*
>Evolution couldn't because of the law of thermodynamics!
Man I hate that video when I really know I shouldn't, I really am not like a militant atheist but that one really fires me up
I dare you to go to any of the blogs from AskAMathematician about almost anything thats not maths and have a look at some of them comments
Try these on first
Assuming you're not trolling: It's just a reference to an ancient joke about what you should do when you encounter an XBox 360 (you turn 360 degrees and walk away). The fact that it doesn't work is part of the humour (though some have suggested "turn 360 degrees and moonwalk away).
Evolution isn't gene mutation due to environmental factors. We go through random mutations. Some mutations become more desirable or make it easier to survive. That doesn't mean that the species will adapt to global warming. But a extremely very few may be able to tolerate such changes. It's highly unlikely that any favourable mutations could keep up with the heating and toxification of the planet.
tldr; You don't understand things as well as you think you do.
>"you have no proof for dinosaurs.
the fossil records really do prove that creatures that we call dinosaurs did exist.
the thing that makes it hard to believe, is because these highly educated people who work with dinosaur fossils, are habitual liars.
They don't understand what they are seeing, so they make things up.
science is about reporting what you see -FACTS
not make up stories to prove something -Theory
these days, too often scientists tell one too many lies, and even after they learn that they are wrong, they continue to fight for their lie, rather than admitting the truth.
usually this is because of greed. say I wrote a theory saying that because I found a 20 ft tall dinosaur fossil, the dinosaurs must have been 20 ft tall. everyone likes my theory and I make a lot of money selling books about 20ft dinosaurs. then one day someone shows me that fossils grow. should i call them a fag, and defend my 20 ft dinosaur theory? or should I revisit the FACTS. I didn't find 20 ft dinosaurs, all I found were fossils. crystalline substances that had formed in a cavity that was left behind by a decaying animal. It doesn't prove that the dinosaur was 20ft tall. crystals obviously grow
should I admit that I was wrong? tell the world that dinosaurs were really bird size? nobody would buy my stupid books anymore, and i'd probably never work again, because I made a fool of a lot of people. some of them might even threaten to kill me if i wasn't anonymous.
what should I do /sci/?
this dragonfly fossil matches today's dragonflies almost perfectly. except this fossil is huge, and we know that dragonflies don't have 5 ft wingspans.
a) dinosaurs and dragonflies were huge (and hundreds of other species as well)
c)animals are shrinking.
>our water did.
puhleez not this shit again.
aliens want to steal our water
no, aliens gave us water
that water is dissolving our minerals and making them easier for transport
did you know that seawater is 9ppm GOLD
I shit you not, aliens are going to take their water back some day, and a lot of earth's resources will go with it.
well, if they take the water, then we won't need it anymore.
a)Ancient Snails could eat a house!!!!!
b)Snails might have had feathers and teeth and legs.
a)Move over T-rex, see you later Stegosaurus, adios Argentinosaurus. Scientists have announced that the bones of a new, even larger dinosaur have been found.
b)people are just getting smaller
c) fossils grow, and that's an old bone
a)these ancient spiders could easily pick up a car and wrap it with silk 100000 times stronger than steel.
b)Hermione, look what you did.
a)these ancient spiders could easily pick up a car and wrap it with silk 100000 times stronger than steel.
>The holotype female is fossilized with her underside facing up. Portions of all but two of the legs are missing from the fossil. The carapace of the holotype is 9.31 by 6.83 millimetres (0.367 by 0.269 in) and the opisthosoma is 15.36 by 9.5 millimetres (0.605 by 0.374 in). The total body length is approximately 24.6 millimetres (0.97 in) while the front legs reach about 56.5 millimetres (2.22 in) in length.
A modern Nautilus can reach 30 cm in diameter.
Usually in permineralization when aragonite from bones and shells is dissolved and removed but before silicization when the fossil material is soft and being heavily compressed.
however the growth is by perhaps a percentage of something <10%, and usually closer to 1% in any particular direction. Individual results vary.
in vertebrates there's also the problem of not knowing the thickness of cartilage in joints and spines, giving a margin of error that's somewhere in the range of a few percent plus. Mostly because paleontologists tend to underestimate the distances between bones to give conservative size estimates. Could be completely wrong though, maybe we've actually grown the fossil in reconstruction.
we could also count fossils that are severely fragmented and then glued back together with all the cracks taking up space.
this is possibly the case in the largest dinosaur fossil ever reported, Amphicoelias fragillimus. The bone was shattered into cubes of .25-.5" bone, and undoubtedly gained size in restoration.
Other early cases of erroneous enlargement in restoration exist, in particular the skull of the Allosaurus reconstructed by Gilmore in 1920 was probably enlarged in height while being truncated lengthwise, aside from being a possible chimera.
>Is there oxygen on the moon, like is that why they where those helmets?!
>Were the middle ages real, like did they actually fight with swords and stuff
*Second one isn't science related but equally as retarded; hate it when girls act dumb, opposite of attractive
Holy shit, I didn't know people this stupid could exist
>Metric expansion does not call for the earth or fossils to expand, nor does it give a plausible explanation.
Matter is primarily electromagnetic field around tiny particles. This field is not fixed in size.
These fields interact with one another in many ways.
You should have learned in 4th grade that things expand when they are heated, and contract when they cool. Pressure also affects size.
As the universe expands, "pressure" of a different kind, is being relieved, causing everything to expand.
seafloor spreading is happening, but because we KNOW the earth is not expanding, the marianas trench MUST be eating all of the new crust coming out of the earth as it expands to the west in the pacific, and California is eating the stuffed crust on the east of the pacific. california eating all of this crust makes the midwest hungry, because it wants to eat some pizza too, so the midwest tries to climb on top of californias tectonic plate, which is why we have the rocky mountains.