Guys, please help me. I'm about to crack the so far unsolved 18 last letters of the Zodiac killer's first letter.
I'm so close, you guys. It's all lining up. It's all coming together.
The only thing I need to know is why this
brings me to San Francisco. Why "VWYP" brings me to San Francisco when entered in the location finder on acronymfinder.
I can't see anything related to those four letters, except (Los) Vaqueros Watershed being nearby (VW), which undoubtedly is going to tie it all together (murder at VW hinted in decryption).
But why this? Those were the only four letters I couldn't make sense of (I thought), but trying to find out if it's an acronym, I entered it in the location search, and it brought me exactly here, of all the places in the world.
Please help me understand, /sci/. I don't know where else to turn but here. I'm so close, /sci/.
I just can't figure out what the relationship between VWYP and Tracy is. Or how this guy found these letters. Almost like he knew that fucking acronymfinder would lead me there. Simply typing it into Google Maps doesn't work.
I might have to find some numeric values, maybe there are plain and simple coordinates or an area code in there that acronymfinder.com can detect for some reason. On it.
>Securing credit for solution
No, friend. That's the mentality that has kept everyone from solving this.
The first part has already been cracked, and I used the information in the decrypted part to crack the last line that has been assumed to be gibberish, but it's not. It's the next lead, you guys. It's real.
I need to learn about radials and shit now. Trying to figure out the inner workings of VWYP now.
Also, you just have to be creative in this case. This guy was a narcissist who spent his time making up le elaborate and clever steps.
Could be a surveying/map code of some sort? At my work we use a set of maps which covers an entire Canadian province. These are coded according to a grid, where each map is given an alphanumeric identifier and covers an area the size of a few city blocks. (Probably longitude/latitude based, now that I think about it.) Does anyone in California/this area have similar things? State land office? Utilities?
Also, obviously the entire message is cracked. VWYP IS decrypted now. I just need to find out what's so special about it and why it took me exactly where I wanted on the world map. Probably a third level of encryption.
Did you read the OP? VWYP is the remaining part of the decrypted message, which is otherwise grammatically correct (and much longer than 18 letters).
>[GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT MESSAGE VWYP]
VWYP took me to Tracy in San Francisco. It's very close to the center of Zodiac's map. If you read a little bit about this map you'll understand the significance of this one location when you have the information I have.
Hey good luck with all that deciphering stuff, man. I'll be watching this tread, for sure! Wish I could help, man. Grew up in the city (the sunset) and this guy (the zodiac) used to creep us the fuk out.
Even to this day no one has ever been caught or proven to be the killer DNA evidence or otherwise. It's been widely disputed who the "actual" killer was. Most believe he was some autist molester dude who died a few years back, But who really knows?
No, believe it or not, all errors in that letter were intentional and necessary.
Yes. They are elementary. There's actually several layers to this. First you decrypt it and find a message with 18 signs. Then you perform another step to unfold this message, kind of like a new dimension to it. All those people saying he was just a poor speller, and that he was just using up the space for esthetic reasons. No faith.
Thanks. I'm never on /sci/, though, so how long do threads usually last before 404?
Fuck I missed a few. Anyway, I find this very interesting. I have read a bit about the Zodiac killer before. Sooo many ppl before you have written about ZK, tried to figure stuff out, made web pages, and finally have said it is all a wild goose chase that will leave you crazy, but I'm still rooting for you OP
But no one has ever found the encrypted message I found. If this fails, he either designed a dead end, he made mistakes, or there was an astronomical coincidence, a probability much smaller than winning the lottery, probably twice in a row. No time to calculate probabilities. I might be able to use this to solve the second part now.
If I told you that, working your way backwards would be easy and someone would take the glory away from me. All I want to say about that is that it's a crappy attempt at sounding poetic. He was clever, though, because he found an elaborate way of shoving lots of information in that 18 characters long string.
But yeah, he had limited space to work with, so it's a short message with some alliteration to sound poetic.
But I didn't end up with any gibberish.
I just now found out Tracy (which VWYP refers to) was the place where he drove around with the baby and the mother.
I can't believe this is actually happening to me.
not op, but the letter basically says
>I kill people for fun and when I die they will become my slaves in the afterlife. I will not reveal my name because I don't want people to slow me down.
From then on, its just these 18 letters
It describes very briefly the encounter with a woman in "Blue Rocks" (Blue Rock Springs). She was feeding fish in a little pond or something. I don't know the story around this encounter, whether it was a murder or what, but that's what it says. It concludes with the VWYP letters pointing to Tracy, which is where he drove the woman and baby around.
Confirming, forgot trip.
Also, I got the impression that it confesses to the Blue Rock Springs murder, and I was under the impression that Arthur Leigh Allen was proven to be the murderer.
>mfw Op accurately decodes the incoherent ramblings of a violent schizophrenic.
Op, I may have found a solution that will help with the cypher.
It goes with how Zodiac wrote his letters, not the encryption itself. My observation could be the reason why no one has been able to decipher it.
Want to hear?
Okay, have you ever noticed how Zodiac writes his letters as if they were written on a grid (like graph paper).
I don't think he did it to look "pretty", he was organizing it. When a letter is written on a grid, you don't have to read it left to right, you can read it vertically or in a spiral going around the page.
It would make someone decipher the first line accurately, then disregard the rest as they moved to the second line. It would make people give up or assume they were wrong.
>Protip: "KILL" is the rosetta stone of a Zodiac letter. It's his favorite word.
Thanks, I will keep this in mind when I give the second part a try. This wasn't the case this time, though, and I also couldn't figure out anything by looking for double Ls and such, as that didn't imply that they would be the same after decryption.
"The next letter arrived at the Chronicle on February 14, 1974, seven days after the Symbionese Liberation Army had kidnapped Patty Hearst"
Here's an example of a possible "reading path" you might take. Don't go off on a wild goose chase, but it might explain why it's uncracked.
if his last known number of kills was 37, and they've only found a hand full of them.. and we can't even decrypt all of his ciphers.. what's to say he's still not going?
Maybe once the cipher is cracked, new evidence will lead to 200 bodies or connection to other unsolved serial killings
Yeah, judging by the honestly childish method he used on this one, that's definitely something he could think of doing. I also think that the way this one was solved will be similar to the second part's method.
I'll leave it to the Zodiac case experts to decide what this message proves and doesn't prove, but I think you could say it has the same function as when he described the way the dead people were lying on the crime scene and stuff to prove he was there.
imagine people giving up because they decrypted the first line then the second line is "wrong".
We both know Zodiac wasn't satisfied by how people decrypted the first letters. He wanted to spice it up and this is a novel way of looking at it.
I might be wrong.
>Maybe once the cipher is cracked, new evidence will lead to 200 bodies or connection to other unsolved serial killings
>you are now aware that dozens of unidentified murdered women are found in LA county every month.
>No one cares because they are "illegals" or "run aways".
>Yeah, judging by the honestly childish method he used on this one, that's definitely something he could think of doing.
I only suggest this because it looks like it was written on a grid. Why would he do that? Why bother?
here is what I understand is an "earlier" letter.
The cipher leads to Tracy. But there's probably additional information to find. There's "new" I guess information about one encounter with him, but I'm betting this method of decryption will be closer to the one needed on the second part. That's the most important thing about this.
> mfw I'm in Merced for a few days and drove thru Tracy
That personal ad was placed in the paper a day after the death of an interesting suspect Fred Manalli.
There is also a truly compelling case for Ted Kacyznski being the Z.
I think so, but trust me, I've looked at all the anagrams.
Zodiac came up with VWYP as coordinates himself. So it's not some modern acronym, it's definitely related to geography/cartography.
I'm just spitballing ideas OP...
Maybe I'm retarded
Could the "VW" be reverse for "West Valley"????
That would mean that the pattern would be for the "YP" portion. So could it be that "PY" could be significant?
So what is the site's basis for connecting the location of Tracy to the letters "VWYP?"
And what is your basis for thinking that connection was intended by Z?
And are you saying you have deciphered the letter differently than previously? As in a whole new message? Or simply the remaining 18 letters?
If the latter, are you saying you deciphered 18 letters except for 4 of them? 11% of the small sample size cannot be clearly deciphered? So you took the 18 remaining letters and deciphered it to still have a remainder of 4? That doesn't seem like a solution at all.
searching VWYP on this geocoder puts a pointer on a Union Pacific Railroad track in Tracy
perhaps it's a railroad marker?
"On the night of March 22, 1970, Kathleen Johns was driving from San Bernardino to Petaluma to visit her mother. She was seven months pregnant and had her 10-month-old daughter beside her. While heading west on Highway 132 near Modesto, a car behind her began honking its horn and flashing its headlights. She pulled off the road and stopped. The man in the car parked behind her, approached her car, stated that he observed that her right rear wheel was wobbling, and offered to tighten the lug nuts. After finishing his work, the man drove off; yet when Johns pulled forward to re-enter the highway the wheel almost immediately came off the car. The man returned, offering to drive her to the nearest gas station for help. She and her daughter climbed into his car.
During the ride the car passed several service stations but the man did not stop. For about 90 minutes he drove back and forth around the backroads near Tracy. When Johns asked why he was not stopping, he would change the subject. When the driver finally stopped at an intersection, Johns jumped out with her daughter and hid in a field. The driver searched for her using his flashlight telling her that he would not hurt her, before eventually giving up. Unable to find her, he got back into the car and drove off. Johns hitched a ride to the police station in Patterson."
Well, that doesn't make any fucking sense unless the letters "VWYP" are next to each other.
If we could get OP's message, we could make more sense of this.
Also, the Zodiac Killer wrote top to bottom starting from the top right didnt' he?
It's not a dead end. It's pretty much completely solved. But before releasing the message and method, I want to analyze the coordinates of everything, maybe try to apply this to the map Z made with 0 on magnetic north.
Type "VWYP" in here:
I was disappointed about VWYP too, until I by accident stumbled upon a "location search" alternative on a crappy little website and it took me to Tracy, confirming that the decryption is indeed correct.
I didn't say anything about night. And I'm fine with you not revealing your supposed solution.
It's interesting that you don't know much at all about the case. I think this can be beneficial in decoding since you are less likely to very biased. Every internet expert on the subject has their personal person of interest and manipulates information consciously and unconsciously to fit their POI.
However, there is a ton of valuable information about the case you are unaware of that could help solve your "VWYP" problem.
You may want to go on some of the sites' forums and read some code theories, Mt. Diablo threads, etc.
I don't know how this geocode system works, but if it's named after the watershed thingy near Tracy. (Los V????? Watershed)
>And what is your basis for thinking that connection was intended by Z?
Why do I keep having to answer this?
Please refer all future questions of this nature to this post.
The message was decrypted. The result was a coherent, relevant message describing an event around Blue Rock Springs. The 4 letters remaining, although decrypted, didn't make sense to me. Until I entered them into the geocode finder on that acronym website, and it took me directly to Tracy, which, as it turns out, was the scene of the crime he basically challenged SFPD to prevent.
But it has to be simple. Google's geocode service shows that VWYP is Tracy. So there has to be a pretty simple system here. And I'm guessing that the killer had military training enough to be familiar with this system.
Could there be any possible connection in astrology, positioning of stars, etc?
I assume it's already something that has been researched before.
Just throwing it out there with the possibility of new code floating around.
see this is the same spot zoomed out
you guys are getting auto corrected results to that railroad crossing
"YW" is some kind of identifier for San Fran though and you guys are most definately on the right track but that crossing in tracy is a false lead.
Retard. You aren't even looking at the solution.
>[COHERENT MESSAGE, COHERENT MESSAGE, COHERENT MESSAGE VWYP]
>Google: Hey, anon, VWYP is a geocode for Tracy, where the Zodiac killer was planning on killing a mother and her baby but failed
>and drawing a line from Tracy to Mt. Diablo, the center of Z's map, even has the same mathematical relationship to the rest as the other crime scenes have
>refuses to acknowledge or unable to see flaws in his own logic
>"solution" full of arbitrary rules which are broken as quickly as baselessly established and farfetched acronyms just like every other person who claims to have solved this case
>getting this upset
>behaving like a child
>refuses to acknowledge or unable to see flaws in his own logic
There is no flaw. Point out the flaw. Your logic is flawed. If you're given a seemingly random sequence of letters and you test a key on it and you're given this:
>HELLO MY NAME IS ANON I HID A BODY VWYP
What do you assume? Do you assume the key was wrong? Or do you see what kind of significance VWYP might have? I did, and it turns out, perfectly convenient, that the first thing I find is that it's a geocode for Tracy.
See the logic? Good.
How? There are no arbitrary rules. The process was smooth. The same rules were applied to everything. And it revealed the answer, with a geocode (that by an astronomically small chance happened to be in Tracy).
You know, just like how they deciphered most of it and it turns out there were 18 independent characters at the end. I solved them and there were 4 independent ones at the end. The solution to those 4 is that they are a geocode. See the pattern? Good.
He used a whole arsenal of mapping techniques.
But I am. That is a fact.
Jesus, you guys sure are quick to jump to conclusions for a "science" board, huh?
I'm rooting for you OP. Just ignore the skeptics and keep chugging away. Even if you are faking this is a fun ride and everyone should just enjoy it and see where it goes instead of trying to shit all over you.
view the video, I honestly think it has the map pegged.
Wandered here from the thread on /b/.
Less pre-teen autism here.
Godspeed based OP.
If that's the case, it sure is nice to have a little unfamiliar remainder at the end to confirm it, huh? Like the key to solving a separate, smaller cipher, things like that. We'll see.
What are you talking about? Do you seriously believe the fact that there is a piece that doesn't follow the rules inside a piece of a cipher that doesn't follow the rules PROVES those rules are correct? This is bullshit confirmation bias. Whatever you find is going to make you more sure you're right.
That's the pattern, you idiot. 18 unsolved. Solve them. 4 unsolved. Solve them. Now you have a basis for part 2, which I will be starting on shortly.
I think you have more of a rule-bound, military/privacy-oriented outlook on this, anon. These Zodiac ciphers aren't secrets, they're just riddles with several unrelated steps, which is why amateurs solved it before any expert could. They didn't have that creative spark. You should expect a piece not following the rules inside Zodiac's ciphers. He already did this, 18 remained. You should expect it inside that one too, as the key is completely different. The VWYP isn't even an encryption. It's just geographical information. It's no more encrypted than saying the name of a building.
chatroom to gather us.
150+ IQ only
Zodiac chatroom to help communicate
also, no I did not make the vid nor find the info. I followed a link from the original thread on /b/ to a blog. the blog is where i found the video. 340cipherhalloweencardconnection-[dot]-blogspot-[dot]-com
What if this zodiac nutter was part of a local masonic order or something, and used a lot of their symbolism in his codes?
Maybe another reason this never was solved. Masonic members didn't want this one nut making them look worse than most people already paint them, so they made sure the police were getting the run around as it were.
The thing about matrix encoding is it has to be done with a specific interval of character length (ie, divisible by some reasonable integer). If this is how the original block was decoded, there very well be 0 meaning to the final characters, which would be why you can't find meaning to it.
I don't think you guys understand what OP is telling you...
OP is saying that the last 18 letters are decrypted. VWYP is not encrypted, it's merely some way of identifying a location, in the same way that telling someone to meet you at Mcdonald's is. You could give them the coordinates, or you could use another way. In this case, Z is giving us an alternative method of coordinates, probably military related. The problem isn't what VWYP means- we already know it's coordinates to Tracy- the problem is, how does Google translate VWYP to Tracy? How does one go from VWYP to Tracy? Once we know this, OP will release their method and the decrypted message.
so, can anyone post it if a new thread is made? any updates from the /b/ threads for people who has to go?
op claims to have deciphered something about zodiac, 18 characters that were still a mistery
apparently those characters read - i quote. op paraphrased - like:
>There was a girl feeding fish in Blue Rocks VWYP
OP found that some geolocation thing made VWYP ponit to Tracy, CA, near Mt Diablo and Tracy supposedly is the place in which a victim escaped from Z.
People used Tracy to orient a compass Z made to find bible verses?
after that, people started coming with alternate theories that are compatible with the VWYP thing
OP also claimed
>Additional note: Those aren't V, W, Y and P as much as zodiac characters: http://zodiackillerciphers.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:Sfchron340cipher.png
whatevs, im out fuckers, i cant believe i sat through all of this so far
This may be a long shot OP, but have you considered that VWYP might be a signature, such as the initials of his name?
ie. Vince William Yancy Pinkler
I'm the one that came up with this weird theory, read full post on /b/ or get this tl;dr version
> user posted an image overlay of star map for June 26, 1970 at exactly 10:15 AM PST, as seen from Mt. Diablo
> I edited the photo highlighting the stars/letters, and the square with the dot, based on previous ways to crack his code.
> we got into discussion and I wrote muh reasons
Assuming your previous cracking on the code was right, and you still end with VWYP, I find more logic to be bound to a "connect the dots" riddle, rather than pinpointing a location via coordinates. Z showed more interest in mason and symbolism, rather than military skills.
If you look at my picture, there are several elements of consistency:
> overlays (star map and landmap)
> connecting dots (constellations/stars)
> quadrants (each letter is on its own)
> the green square with the dot in the middle
(ok the last one is far pushed maybe...)
What is in support of your theory ?
> supposed military preparation (where else in his clues does it show?)
> casual (and indeed rare) match of VWYP with tracy
End result, the dot inside the square is slighly off St. Tracy Blvd
We got (almost) same result, with 2 completly different roads.
Keep in mind that he had a very limited amount of space left. He basically filled the remainder with a clue, and there wasn't much space for fancy details. It might not be any more cryptic than "this is where I did it" to prove who he was.
VWYP is not a recognized city code by the California Department of Transportation!!!
CTRL+F "Tracy" and you will see its city code is "TRA"
Where the fuck is this "VWYP" coming from? It's driving me crazy. It has to be some outdated code or something
Any info on the coordinates and summing up the letters? (22+23+25+16 = 86)?????
VWYP most likely refers to a point on the military grid reference system or MGRS. Its a 4 letter system used to find points on a map. Google probably uses this system in its mapping as well, hence the fact that it understands the 4 letter coordinates.
I'm writing a letter to all of Tracy's governmental departments hoping one person knows what this code means.
Here is the letter.
"Hello, I am helping someone follow a clue about the Zodiac Killer's 408 cypher. The last 18 letters of that letter have remained undeciphered but someone on 4chan's /sci/ board thinks they have decrypted the last 18 letters.
Here is the link to the thread
Please look at post number 6770784
He is not releasing anymore information on what the message is other than he has decrypted this into a coherant message. But, in the decrypted code, he has gotten "VWYP" as a word.
He entered "VWYP" into Acronymfinder.com and searched for locations.
"VWYP" came back to Tracy, California.
Here is a link
We are all stumped as to WHY "VWYP" is code for Tracy, California.
What kind of coding system is it? Is it still being used or is it an old system? Could someone in the Tracy governmental system know why "VWYP" is used as a code for Tracy?
Once the anonymous OP gets these questions answered, he will release the decrypted message of the undeciphered 18 letters of the Zodiac's 408 letter.
I'm probably not supposed to bring in outside people, but I'm emailing every department in the Tracy governmental system hoping that 1 person recognizes that "VWYP" code. It could be a legal code, zoning code, geocode, or a code of a system that has been replaced years ago.
If anyone knows just email me back and post in that /sci/ thread what it means.
Should I send this?
If he did the same I wouldn't be able to find a coherent message in it.
I realize that we have to look at the Halloween cards and small letters and interpret/decode those before the 340 cipher can be solved. I'll work on that when I come back from just a little bit of sleep, bye
It gives you the same location if you type in VWUP, i'm assuming it's just thinking you want Union Pacific Railroad. It's not uncommon for things like this to search for the next best result. Sorry OP, it's nothing : \
This has been discussed so many times already.
There is no geocode dictionary where you can automatically select the "next best thing". Entering VWYP doesn't "redirect" you to VWUP or vice versa. They're 100% interchangeable because they represent the exact same information. They're "fuzzy matches". Neither is incorrect. They literally are exactly the same, and there is no autocorrect here.
Also, that simply doesn't appear by chance at the end of a Zodiac message and *randomly happen to* refer to Tracy.
Yes, that sounds exactly like a serious message that you should send to government employees in order to get your request taken seriously and not ignored. Good work, anon. Signing it as Jimmy Rustle was an excellent touch.
So let me get this OP, you have some guy email the police saying you have solved some seriously for them relevant shit but before telling them what it is you tell them they need to help you first else you won't tell what you know.
That's some kindergarten shit. You seriously suck so hard in life that you want this to be your little 15 minutes of fame. Special fucking selfish snowflake you.
Nope, that's not how life works. You don't rush these things. No one rushed their proposed solutions to the 340 cipher. They took their time. Carefully filled the gaps, checked, checked again, compared, applied, etc. You don't just go running around yelling "I GOT IT" because you solved the first 2 horizontal lines of the 340 cipher. You fucking finish it, you ape. The victims are all fucking dead, and so is Zodiac. You just want to be entertained immediately.
Also, if the authorities can confirm that fish were being fed in some way, it would prove my theory on this. And if we can find out if the watershed under Mt. Diablo is the crime scene on that axis, human remains can be found there. Tracy to Mt. Diablo line cuts directly through it, and there's supposed to be a crime scene somewhere on this line if it's not Tracy itself.
That line should also be compared to Zodiac's magnetic north and other lines.
I'm predicting murder/dumping of corpse at the watershed. He loved lakes.
http://oranchak.com/zodiac/webtoy/ something to play with
What word/part of word that could be? The structure is like 12332 so it seems to be logical place to start with. Unless it's actually two words. Word 'kill' is also there most likely, so some double symbols are most likely L's
if you are thinking of a corpse dumped in a lake, isn't that precisely the fish feeding you are considering?
search image search "death wheel lady doom", the death wheel on the cover seems to have 5 means of demise: rope, fire, gun, knife - AND water, which is the ONLY ONE that's hidden.
the not-hidden ones are also mentioned some some halloween card he sent maybe
>isn't that precisely the fish feeding you are considering?
Didn't think of that.
The only way I can interpret this is that he abducted and killed a girl near Blue Rock Springs and dumped her in the watershed below Mt. Diablo because he wanted this to be an official dot on the map.
Never heard of it before.
ohshi, 1 more horisontal, then there are 3 verticals, does this mean anything?
Maybe you can read the cipher from different angles?
I just don't know if this is the way to approach it. Maybe it is, some have found some almost sentences using it. I solved the 18 letter string by shifting depending on several variables.
The solved cipher didn't have any spaces, so this one probably won't have any neither
Try to imagine what you would name the symbols.
The circle, white up: N(orth)
White down: S(outh)
S for seven, I don't know
Found words: i | a | am | as | at | us | ad | we | my | he | an | was | art | hat | say | die | man | after | human
Well that sounds legit.
when I try to solve a crypto in the papers, I usually begin to try to solve the most common letter.
The most commonly used letters in the English language are:
E A N T
Followed by R S
Followed by a lot more, such as vowels first.
So the sign that there is most of should be E.
Persons born on 28 July 1926
JAMES K FRY was born 28 July 1926, received Social Security number 240-36-5929 (indicating North Carolina) and, Death Master File says, died 24 January 2004.
[Site has good reputation.]
there are other words if you have the right mask...
OP stop samefagging. Do you realize your rambling makes no sense? There are hundreds of people who claim to have the exact same thing you have, and their answers are all different. Your assumption that VWYP means Tracy when you don't even know why is fucking idiotic magical thinking.
idk if OP is coming back but I was playing around with the most frequently used letters.
Maybe I found something, _if_ the ZK intentionally left out some letters - that are real letters. Check it, OP. (I know you already solved the 18 remaining letters but I am sending this anyway. Maybe there are even more solutions.)
>a couple of neckbeards on 4chan will solve in a few nights a mystery that not even the entire US police has in 30 fucking years
Guy who figured the compass was a clock and overlaid the star map reporting.
Every map will be different when designating highways that way. Even if that were the case, and even if this is a true lead, Zodiac could have been using an entirely different map. You may be on to something, though, if it is found that there is some sort of connection. Alignment could be a key, but you can't go off how a certain map designates the highway.
If you want to overlay it all yourself, here's what you need:
TIME: 21:000 GMT
Coordinates: 37.8817° N, 121.9142° W
Here's the map underneath it, where I tried to overlay the Zodiac's blue pen compass with the killings map the best I could.
Also, if the letters are consistent with the rest of the letter, the last 18 letters here: >>6771307
Comes out as EBEORIEMETHHPITI
I've seen the map before, but not the star map too. But the other stuff, seen exactly the same on other ZK sites.
An alternative solution to the 340 cipher has been found before:
I'm studying for an exam which is tomorrow, I'll do it after that. wherever the 12 line is pointing should be aligned with the northern sky pointing toward Polaris is my guess. I'll play with that tomorrow
I laid the wheel down like that also, but it doesn't make much sense for ZK to have burned Kathleen Johns's car in where he did since the range for fire was further north. Is that the direction he was taking her when she escaped?
in the death wheel overlay, the sticks align with your clock, i pointed water to tracy and knife to Berryesa
I hope you guys solve this. I can see the headlines now.
>Notorious hacker 4CHAN threatens to leak naked pictures of Emma Watson for being a feminist
>Creepy Misogynist 4CHAN Anonymous Leejun collective discovers major breakthrough in unsolved Zodiac Murders
Well I'm up to date. Imma get me some work done and I'll be back later.
the writiing in the wheel. It shows a "w" but I see you got it anyway.
Did you know he scratched the knifed victims' car with "by knife"?
I'd say he was definitely into cartoons. All those strange cards and drawings.
So, hey guys. I just updated my little map to include the four non-confirmed Zodiac attacks (which, as far as I'm concerned, were committed by the Zodiac, especially the Riverside one which he said he committed.
Look…the Riverside attack perfectly lines with the Tracy and Lake Berryesa attacks, no bullshit
Also. the burred black thing at the top of the map was my name I blurred out, and the blurred out blue line near the bottom was just a fuck up on my part.
I don't know, haha. It's not something you look for, it's something you noticed. I'm suspect that the compass map reveals some sort of location, or locations. Z's hideout, bodies, bombs, I don't know. I'm looking for patterns.
Here's the best version of the map I have thus far.
If someone could properly fit this star map so that aligns in just the right way, placing the north star where the 0 of the compass is: >>6771735 (You)
Over the killings map, I think it could reveal something. Then again, that was all my own speculation. I just guess that since the letter/map was marked as June 26 1970, and that the compass had clock numbers and extrapolated lines reveal what looks to be an hour hand pointed towards what would be 10 and the minute hand pointed towards what would be quarter passed, I speculated that Z may have been alluding to a star map for time 10:15 AM PST on June 26, 1970, as seen from the coordinates of Mt. Diablo, the center of it all.
He is called "Zodiac" after all. I thought maybe constellation patterns overlaid onto the map could reveal something.
like I said, you're not the first one who's found that out. Pretty much same map and lines are posted in every ZK forum.
What is new is evidence pointing put Tracy, and possibly the Watershed area.
I think there are more kills than the ones known. There were a few women who still are missing since the 70s from the San Joaquin area....
on /b he posted two sets of decoded letters one set without accounting for spaces and other set accounting for spaces or something like that, and he was looking for angrams, anybody got those?
I knew jack squat about the Zodiac Killer before last night and spent all day today researching it, and I've come to the conclusion that whatever OP comes up with is not going to be very interesting. It is really cool if he did manage to crack the code though.
there are websites full of people that have attempting to crack the code using known methods and mixing those together and further mixing with complicated arithmetic.
I think if someone does crack it, it'll be an accident because none of the logical routes taken have brought anyone any closer
I'm going to assume it's nothing because I could have gotten exactly as far as we actually know OP has gotten by finding the geocode for Tracy, California and then making a thread asking for help. We have no evidence that VWYP has anything to do with the Zodiac Killer because OP won't reveal anything about how he got those letters. There is nothing here.
He acknowledged that it was a lucky find, and that it really didnt matter for the rest of his decoded message, but was stubborn enough to keep on pressing that VWYP had nothing to do with fuzzy matching ot with the railroad crossing, but said it was most likely a 4 digit geo code from the gov.
again he said it didnt really matter if it was a coincidence or not
op said he was going to post all of the blacked out stuff tonight
OP failed to deliver
I found the complete wheel thru a ZK forum here:
As you can see, the wheel has 12 sections (much like the zodiac has 12 signs)
And we already know that ZK killed "by knife", "by rope" = strangulation, "by gun" and "by water (at least 3 killings were at lake sites).
He wrote in oneof the later letters that cops were getting too close and that he would from then on mask his killings like accidents. Pretty sure there were victims" by fire" etc still waiting to be confirmed.
Through some other forums, they also mentioned about an ad (Red Ryder gun) within the comic that had a symbol on the cow (in the picture, far right) that he used in a similar way on one of his 1970 cards.
I don't think he was going by the comic's wheel in detail or anything like that. He just added his own twist to each thing, such as using "You are doomed" (Lady Doom), signing off ass the Red Phantom (the Red Mask), comic #28 declared "Be the master, not the slave". I think he just drew inspiration from comics, associating with the villains.
Which is where some draw the connection between him and a Batman comic from the 60s by one witness saying he was wearing a hooded mask, such as the one seen in the comic as the Hooded Hangman.
But regardless what connections we can come up with between the comics and the Zodiac, I just wish OP would come back and fill us in on what he has decoded. I've been keeping this thread open in a tab since the other night, waiting to see a new update...but nothing.
Come back, OP. Don't leave us hanging.
This might mean nothing.
But YET another 340 cipher solution can be seen here where almost whole sentences can read stuff like
"See Leigh freak killer" and "Eagle I wish it will go"
And speaking of eagle, rather - EGAL LAKES.
If you draw a straight line with starting point at Mount Diablo, and through (VW) Vaqueros Watershed (today V. Reservoir), you continue that line to Tracy and it goes straight to the Egal lakes.
OP pls look into this, is this a coincidence?
Got the other solution from here:
Also, another minor thing, the only interesting abbrev. of YP there seems to be is Yard Patrol, military term for patrol vehicles, amongst others, also those who are used on water,
Folly, I left two alive.
(ALT.) Folly, I left two. I live li
fe knowing Noel. Hide-
n-gag, I knive Noels wife.
See Leigh Freak kill
er. I kill, I do. It knows.
Eagle? I wish. It will go
(ALT.) glee. I wish it will go
work in a ** (LN unsolved) gov. field.
Solved wife for killer.
I like killing. God, do I
sin? Free killings!
KKKs ol’ lodge gone right?
Magic hoodie. I knew
(In unsolved GIKE reads clear)
girls workin’ doing L.A. sk-
yline, good reg. folks.
Goon hoard, golf kiosk.
(OR HARD, also, Golf mentioned again)
Lingered. I need girl.
**** Sold a kind ez (easier)
er ending wishes Lee.
I’d win all new shin-dig.
light news. I i’m Zodiac
This is the best and most interesting part from the vids imho. This dude is definitely on to something, but a lot is also "pattern picking" (such as I do, takes one to know one.)
See the pic. The drawn line matches a Bay area highway almost PERFECTLY, highlighting two possible locations of victim deaths.
I've been following you since you first started posting OP. At this point I reasonably certain you're not trolling, and I honestly hope you've discovered something new.
That being said. I've wasted quite a bit of time following this thread and the multiple threads on /b/. So let me ask you this so I can stop blowing off my real life responsibilities. How long before you post what you've deciphered/new info?
Good luck to you. I hope you nail it.
The lengths some people have gone through all these years to find meaning in all of these clues are just astounding. The Zodiac Killer wasn't some kind of super genius that used every piece of knowledge in the known universe to hide himself. Whatever it takes to crack these clues is probably something simple that someone just hasn't thought of yet, and is being ignored because people are too busy crafting their own wacky theories that are even more insane than the killer's puzzles. Either that or he made a simple mistake or left out an important piece of information that's keeping people from going further.
Well, Anon, that's where you are wrong, the 340 cipher is like a cipher within a cipher within a cipher and reference dots that perfectly place important locations.
He probably did intentionally partition the cipher so you need a different cipher per to solve different parts of the letter. It actually makes sense.
Well, I understand how complicated all of that is, but some theories I've seen are so unbelievable that I wonder how the people that thought them up could possible think they are on the right path. It's definitely a lot of trial and error, but when you have a map covered in pumpkins and skeletons, you probably took a wrong turn.
Not sure, but it is interesting that this peninsula is right where the sun is. It is Richmond, "Miller Knox Regional Shoreline", and there also is a lagoon and a Yacht club there...
The center would be the Golden State Model Raiilroad Museum. However, impossible to tell if it means anything without deciphering more.
OP darnit, where are you.
OP IS KILL BECAUSE HE GOT TTO FAR I DID NOT WANT TO KILL OP BUT SOMETYMES THINGS HAPPEN THAT WE DONT INTEND. KEEP GETTING CLOSER I STILL ENJOY KILLING AND QUITE ENJOYED THE 07 MOVIE WONDER IF ANY MORE WILL BE MAID HETAEIFFH
very clever. you made me find the poem Jabberwocky.
At least it feels better to do something, than just samefagging this thread waiting for OP.
Nice touch with the rh. RH were the intials left with a poem found carved into a table at the riverside cc library. Some speculate that the poem was authored by the zodiac because of its similar handwriting and style.
I think OP went chasing after carmen san diego.
just ignore him when he brings that up
PS: It also mentions arrows along lines related to the Zodiac (presumed related to lines between murder scenes on map), check that out if you have the time.
I was, but there was no more to it as of yet. I think when the 340 is done, the sentence in the 18 code will fill in a gap.
Time to sleep now, bye
>In the Age of Aquarius
>A deciphered code should appear to a coder
this better be good
"In the Age of Aquarius" might be another pop-culture reference by this mofo and would match the date of the cipher (November 1969) perfectly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquarius/Let_the_Sunshine_In
I don't know shit about astrology so I can't tell if the lyrics "When the moon is in the seventh house/And Jupiter aligns with Mars/Then peace will guide the planets/And love will steer the stars" have any relevance but you guys may wish to check it out on the star map.
What do you mean?
Keep in mind there can be a period anywhere.
>... a dangerous road. Up(on) a mountain...
A questionable "mercury" appeared
He might think there's actually something to the age of Aquarius.
If the thread will last another 4 hours I'll make a new thread when I get home (mobile). If not, someone else has to make it.
>In the Age of Aquarius
>A deciphered code should appear to a coder (the last "r" is questionable)
This sounds a lot like he's referencing something he did in 1967 (the year the musical Hair was first produced).