>>7645157 A thread is up on /x/. It was seen by a lot of people. Also: http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabc7.com%2Fnews%2Fsecret-military-operations-to-divert-lax-planes-for-a-week%2F1072890%2F
Its most likely the secret military test the US is doing around LAX. Southern California has a lot of military R&D labs. There is a reason why Socal is home to a naval fleet and marine/army base. Its to protect those labs which keep the US most sensitive projects.
>>7645297 US air force testing next gen missile technology. This was a show of force to the Russians and Chinese. The US loves doing this every time the Russians or Chinese love to troll the US near their coastline. They streamline some buried project and build a prototype within a few months to show them what they can do.
>>7645312 They have Hawaii for that. That placement of those bases is to insure a defense against a possible foe who invades the US. It will come through San Diego or Los Angeles. Those cities have deep water ports.
>>7645321 You said shorebase and Hawaii counts as shore base. Yes, I'm being an asshole. That's why pacific fleet is stationed in Hawaii. Its the first line of defense for a possible invasion fleet coming to the US mainland. Guam and Japan provides early warning for the US mainland. The Atlantic is impossible because of NATO navies.
>>7645157 Pretty sure that's a missile reentry. Don't you remember the Norway Spiral Incident? Generally when they fall from the outer atmosphere back they give off a large trail similar to a comet at an angle near perpindicular to the horizon and are usually accompanied by some fancy fireworks display as seen here >>7645206, something to do with the missile stages, I dunno I'm not a ballistics engineer.
If it was a meteorite it wouldn't give off a trail like that, wouldn't have that burst, and would give off a much MUCH brighter and redder glow, it would also be impacting at a much sharper angle than you see ballistic missiles like this, and would be travelling alot faster than what was shown in this vid >>7645206
Then again, it could of course be a UFO, if UFOs fall from the sky in their spare time :^)
Whoever believes that it was a missile test is a baby that relies on information to be spoon fed to them by people of more power than they are. They are too scared to think on their own so they believe everything that they hear from "official sources" thinking that they are there to protect you and keep you safe. These "officials" don't personally care about you, they mostly care about themselves. So they keep all of the good stuff to themselves and give you worthless shit such as these dumb ass lies.
>>7645157 It's definitely not a meteorite, they don't just chill for a while; they are fast as fuck.
The same rule would apply if a comet came into our atmosphere; it would increase in speed until it's as fast as a meteorite.
This thing just cruised for a while showing off a light show and then it decided to turn it off while still cruising at the same speed. This thing had to be controlled by someone. However I highly doubt it was some military exercise. They do that shit where the least amount of people can see, not everyone in the whole country.
>>7645588 They are not dumb enough to do something like that. And if they were, they would have at least broadcast that it was going to happen before it did, so that it would not cause a panic like it did. Governments are really, really smart in such that they pretty much know what other countries are capable of. We don't need to "flex our muscles" to show them that we're strong; that's so childish. China probably knows where every nuclear launch site is in our country and we probably know theirs. There's no need to show off because that would just add to the enemy's knowledge of our capability which would just make them more prepared and maybe come up with a counter measure. That makes it harder to win a fight. We want it to have maximum effect and that only happens when it's unexpected.
>>7645576 I saw it from 500 miles away, bright and clear. Sure, they could have found a place 1000 miles from any civilization, but why? Maybe they WANT to remind people of their force?
I'm not one to blindly believe what I'm told, especially by the military, but don't be a fucking idiot about it. There's no reason to lie here. Obviously these missiles exist. Obviously they test these systems from time to time. Obviously they want to remind people of their force. Why lie? What's the point? Just because something could be a lie doesn't mean it is.
Independently analyzing situations is a good thing but when you come in with such a strong conspiracy bias you just make a fool of yourself with horribly thought out, wildly idiotic, and blatantly false ideas.
Also I'm pretty sure every propulsion system used for common things like missiles, rockets, engines, etc., produce a light in the range of yellow to red to purple, not pure white to blue-green (if it did, it would be mixed with yellow, red or purple). Plus it would produce a bumpy, cloud shaped smoke-tube trail, not a smooth, cone shaped fog-type thing
>>7645576 >Whoever believes that it was a missile test is a baby that relies on information to be spoon fed to them by people of more power than they are. They are too scared to think on their own so they believe everything that they hear from "official sources" thinking that they are there to protect you and keep you safe. These "officials" don't personally care about you, they mostly care about themselves. So they keep all of the good stuff to themselves and give you worthless shit such as these dumb ass lies. go back to /pol/ they probably just wanted to remind china who's in charge have you been following the artificial island controversy? Of course you haven't because you're 15. Just stop posting.
>>7645576 Except they want other countries like Russia and China to see this as a projection of force. Countries do things like this all the time. North Korea has tested missles by launching them over South Korea and Japan just to show they can. It's pointless to try and hide tests anyway. The world is surrounded by satellites observing everything there is nowhere on earth to test a missile visible hundreds of miles away without someone seeing it.
>>7645620 Because the only real power is knowledge and lying is the way to attack against knowledge which decreases the opponent's power. That's how the government is so powerful and they keep that power by both keeping secrets (adds to their power) and lying (decreases the opponent's power). That's their strategy and it's working.
>>7645666 It was both a test of the trident missile system and a show of force. The US was testing their missile defense system of hte American homeland. Trident I believe is the second to last stage of a missile defense. >>7645668 Yup and bioweapons. Weaponized H5N1 is scary.
>>7645642 >>7645651 >>7645666 How in the hell is this missile similar in any way to the object that appeared tonight? A tiny ass missile seen over 500 miles away my ass. A missile that cruises at a slow speed and has the ability to shut off its smoke trail... that doesn't even look like smoke? Jesus christ people, do you even have common sense?
>>7645729 Its during the daytime. Also these are the launch vehicles, not the missile itself. The one posted in this thread is the actual missile. Its a Trident II ICBM. It was unarmed by it was the missile itself. These things travel really fast.
>>7645750 Oh yeah because a trident is in the shape of a cone...............................
I think it's called a trident because it looks like this upon reentry........................................................................................ Not a cone............. ffs.................................
>>7645760 Here are you happy now? Now tell me how come the object just shit out a cone of lets say smoke, without gaining any speed (assuming that was some sort of thruster kicking in)? Then it stops is cone smoke but is still moving at the same speed. And where is any smoke from before the cone? The object is clearly not in a position where it doesn't need thrust.
>>7645157 So basically from my understanding this is a show of force using some updated version of the tridentII system. We have some new propellant from the way this thing traveled, maybe some pilot could collect it and someone can see why exactly this trail looked so different from the . Though that will likely get you jailed as a terrorist despite just being curious
>>7645206 Its hard to focus on it, but about halfway through the video look to the left lower portion of the screen. There is an item in front of the glowing item, it matches its speed. Anyone else see this?
The most disappointing thing about this is that people are completely unable to recognize what rocket launches look like. The stage separations being confused with "explosions" for example, or the assumption of the most asinine UFO explanations.
You must think guns, bombs, money and whatever else causes destruction is what power actually is. Fucking child. You can't just shit out guns or bombs, you have to KNOW how to make them first!!!! Fucking low mental capacity dipshit, knowledge comes before anything.
>>7645576 This. Why the fuck would the military test top secret shit near L.A? >>7645620 >remind citizens of their power lol this isn't ancient rome, "lets launch a $2 million missile over L.A to show the plebs the power of the Democrat party!"
>>7646694 Every man has to register with your military for possible conscription Implying everyone on death row is actually guilty It's not by individual choice, your society decided protestant work ethic was good so forced it upon everybody whether they like it or not
It's actually an all volunteer force......do you know what that "all volunteer force" means in your country?
>two political parties that are exactly the same
Ignores the Libertarian Party, the Green Party, etc etc etc. And to address your "point", neither main political party here in the United States is the same.
>longest working hours and least holiday time in the west
At least our unemployment rate isn't in the double digit range.
Lethal injection via potassium chloride is an effective way to put child molesters, serial killers to death. Sure beats having heads, or arms, or hands cut off in other countries. But I'm sure that's an effective way of dealing with criminals in YOUR country anon....
At least death row inmates are afforded a trial by jury.
Which I'm sure isn't the case where you live, anon.
>Every man has to register with your military for possible conscription
The Selective Service isn't a part of the military. Dumbass
>Implying everyone on death row is actually guilty
Anon has never heard of an "appeals court"
>It's not by individual choice, your society decided protestant work ethic was good so forced it upon everybody whether they like it or not
That same "protestant" work ethic is also responsible for great works such as the Hoover Dam, modern skyscrapers, the Golden Gate bridge, the modern aircraft carrier, Hollywood, the Mars Science Laboratory, and so forth..and so on...
>>7646694 >they committed heinous crimes Some of them did. Sometimes you guys execute innocent people. And the decision seems very arbitrary to someone from outside the country. And by arbitrary, I mean super racist.
> no conscription https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System
>>7646701 it hasnt been used since vietnam, would only be used in the event of a huge conflict like wwiii, and is full of exceptions including being a "conscientious objector". most other countries have similar systems.
the vast vast majority are guilty. the legal proceedings take decades. like any legal system, occasionally an one will slip through. is that any worse than keeping an innocent person in prison for their whole life?
no one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to work so many hours a week. its a matter of values and americans value work.
>>7646704 >I said "United States", not Seychelles Top ten, whatever it's still atrocious. >Ignores the Libertarian Party, the Green Party, etc etc etc. Have they ever won? >At least our unemployment rate isn't in the double digit range. Yes because you allow people to be paid $1 an hour to flip burgers. Hardly "employment" I would say. >Lethal injection via potassium chloride is an effective way to put child molesters, serial killers to death No it's an effective way to put to death those who can't afford a lawyer and those of a race which the jury doesn't particularly like >>7646712 >That same "protestant" work ethic is also responsible for great works such as the Hoover Dam, modern skyscrapers, the Golden Gate bridge, the modern aircraft carrier, Hollywood, the Mars Science Laboratory, and so forth..and so on... There are skyscrapers and dams in France yet they work half as much as you do. >>7646717 > is that any worse than keeping an innocent person in prison for their whole life? Not sure if retarded... You can let him out once your realize he's innocent.
>>7646736 >$1 an hour to flip burgers thats hyperbole and you know it. our illegal immigrants seem to do just fine working jobs like that, they are prospering even. only people who have problems living off minimum wage are privileged middle class white kids.
Well I'm sure (thanks to your country's "incarceration rate") your crime rate is stellar where you live, anon.....
>Have they ever won?
No. Ever heard of stealing votes? Do you even know how the political process works here in the United States? Again...of course you don't.
>....Hardly "employment" I would say.
I'm quite sure a person earning $9.00 an hour flipping burgers is making considerably more than the average "citizen" is earning in your "country", anon.
>No it's an effective way to put to death those who can't afford a lawyer and those of a race which the jury doesn't particularly like.
....nevermind the fact the jury is ALWAYS a jury of the defendants peers. Again...do you know what it means to have a "jury of your peers"? I doubt you do. I doubt you even have a proper legal system in the backwards country where you live.
>There are skyscrapers and dams in France yet they work half as much as you do.
>Not sure if retarded....You can let him out once your realize he's innocent.
Once again you show your lack of understanding of how the legal system works here in the United States.
Perhaps the military wanted people to see the launch. Think about it, fly a missile where millions of people can see a shit ton of footage from youtube and thus can extrapolate a lot of data from that for free! I mean people will record it, so fuck it why not use that data, kinda genius.
>Well I'm sure (thanks to your country's "incarceration rate") your crime rate is stellar where you live, anon.....
The fact that prisons in your country are set up as business have created an industry of putting people in prison. This process doesn't rehabilitate people it just makes slave labour.
>No. Ever heard of stealing votes? Do you even know how the political process works here in the United States? Again...of course you don't.
Are you actually bragging about political corruption?
>I'm quite sure a person earning $9.00 an hour flipping burgers is making considerably more than the average "citizen" is earning in your "country", anon.
We have a minimum wage of about $15/h where I'm from. The rest of the developed world and some undeveloped countries, seriously look at your system as pathetically unfair. Your wage gap is increasing.
>....nevermind the fact the jury is ALWAYS a jury of the defendants peers. Again...do you know what it means to have a "jury of your peers"? I doubt you do. I doubt you even have a proper legal system in the backwards country where you live.
You think they actually get the accused mates and put them in the jury? They get any idiot off the street. I've sat jury duty and the process is very reliant on the people in the jury to actually care.
In the U.S there have been plenty of cases of people getting sentence to death only to be found that they're innocent.
>Once again you show your lack of understanding of how the legal system works here in the United States.
"One third of the world's population (approximately 2.3 billion people) live in common law jurisdictions or in systems mixed with civil law. Common law originated during the Middle Ages in England, and from there was propagated to the colonies of the British Empire..."
The system we can't understand is the exact same legal system 2/3 of the world use, my country included.
>>7645696 That is exactly what a rocket of any type looks like while it is burning in the upper atmosphere. The exhaust is the strangely shaped blob emanating from the rear. It looks like that because there is much less or virtually no air pressure around the nozzle to press it into the shape you are expecting, like the rocket you posted.
>>7647979 On that youtuber's video? seems like angle. Say if you got a spray nozzle for a garden hose and pointed it away from you. The water would look like it is in a circle. Now point it to the side, and the water is in more of a cone/triangle shape. Same applies when the rocket goes into it's second stage
>>7647954 >>7647954 Every one of those videos showed the rocket's distinct smoke trail originating from the inner atmosphere before poofing into a bubble/cone thing. The one from yesterday just pibbity pooped one out from nowhere. And it looks and moves like it is in the inner atmosphere.
>>7648096 >>7648096 No it didn't did you watch the timelapse I linked at all? IT IS FROM CALIFORNIA. IT IS THE SAME EVENT. check the time it was uploaded. All of the "ufo" videos only show the missile already in the second stage because that is the stage it is most visible for everyone to see. I'm guessing you didn't actually look at anything I linked and just want to spout your bullshit about aliens instead of using actual science on /sci/
>>7648641 When I was checking all of your links, the vimeo one brought me to vimeo but it told me the file or something was not found. Maybe I didn't get the whole link.
How come the "rocket's" light just appeared in the sky and not all the way from the ground? Did the military launch it with a catapult to get it off of the ground? And again, there isn't any smoke from it's original launch! It's just a floating light; there would be a trail of smoke from the place it came (which wasn't even the ground) all the way until it did it's little cone thing if it was a rocket. Plus who said anything about aliens? It's just the "official story" that was broadcasted all over the news to make people believe, sounds pretty fabricated and everyone is trying to defend it because they love their country and would be devastated if they knew their country was lying to them.
So here you go, a conspiracy theory that's more believable to you. China and US tensions rising. China is the one who launched this missile as their way to show their power while frightening our public (even though public took it the wrong way lol). They know that the US isn't stupid enough to start a full-on war with them because of it. So the US lies to it's public to keep them from going nuts.
>>7645666 Yes, but why does it look so fucking strange and otherworldly when it sort of stops moving in mid air and dissolves into an efflorescent pool of vaporous moonlight? You don't really expect missiles to look so ethereal.
>>7648873 >China is the one who launched this missile as their way to show their power while frightening our public (even though public took it the wrong way lol).
Had the Second Artillery Corp been authorized to launch a missile towards the United States, the reaction would be very different.
To suggest this (even as a counterpoint to anon's comment--I'm not the anon you were talking to initially) is absurd. The Politburo would be committing suicide on every level if the authorized the release of such a device. And if you think we were covering it up, think again. Do you think we're the only nation in the world that can track ICBMs? Have you even thought of India's missile tracking program? Great Britain's? South Korea?
How daft would one have to be to even suggest the United States government "covered" up the launch by masking it as a test firing from a Navy SLBM? How stupid do you think people really are?
A missile launch detection would have been met with a VERY different response. Our nation's government is definitely screwed up, but they would not hesitate to respond aggressively had someone decided to launch a missile towards the North American continent.
>>7647113 >We have a minimum wage of about $15/h where I'm from. The rest of the developed world and some undeveloped countries And a tax rate of 30-40%, and VAT, and higher sales taxes, and horrendously taxed gasoline... That $15/hr equivalent is actually worth about $8.75 at the end of the day. Less than 1% of working Americans make this amount or lower. And I don't even know specifically where you are from, so I can't calculate the differences in cost of living or aggregate PPP
"Muh minimum wage" always seems to be the economic focal point of socialists with too many words and too little brain.
>>7649070 They don't need missiles to hit Soeul. The city is in within range of the North's good old fashioned conventional Artillery. South Korean war plans pretty much write off much of the city as being rekt by already in place artillery positions the moment things get hot.
speaking of bright things in the sky... last week I was sitting on the beach at night with some friends, watching the stars. There had been quite a few shooting stars that night, one of my buddies thought we were in a meteor shower but anyway, one particularly bright shooting star flew across the sky, and then there was this huge flash of light, like an explosion, then the star kept going for about a half second and blinked out. One of my buddies who loves conspiracies and everything involving aliens insisted it was ET's, but I am too skeptical. was it just something that went really low in the atmosphere or was it a completely different phenomena?
>>7650155 as a dude that makes 8.50 an hour, my first thought when i saw people actually trying to push 15 was 'that's just going to fuck all the 30k salarymen right in the ass now innit?' and then 'every single unskilled labor job in the country would be put in jeopardy' and finally 'oh, this is how they finally eliminate the middle class. that 15 an hour gets taxed to hell and back because the workers will be made to pay for the welfare system to support all the people that got put on the dole after the workforce was purged in the initial knee-jerk to doubling the federal minimum wage. fucking brilliant.'
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