I'm an American and I have a serious problem with watching soccer.
That's pretty common, but it's not the flopping and diving that gets to me. It's not that 95% of the game is just jogging and backwards passes. It's not the offsides rule, away goals rule, the referees, the corrupt FIFA, the lack of playoffs determining the champion, the no parity enforcement, the no draft, the no salary cap, the promotion and relegation, the ads on the shirts, the fans singing, or even the teams calling themselves clubs like they do it just for fun. Lots of that shit is weird and dumb but if you think of it as part of the sporting experience in europe, which already weird and dumb anyways, then some of it is tolerable.
The problem I have, is the noticeable lack of instant extreme game changers. In football, basketball, and baseball the scoring system is set up so that it's possible to go from losing one moment to winning in just one play, and that can mean everything. In a soccer game if you're losing, even if a great goal is scored the best you can get from it is to be tied now. With how little scoring goes on period, this means that lead changes are just not very common, so the majority of most games is just the same situation, either they're tied or one team is winning for long stretches, maybe they extend or shrink the lead but it doesn't just flip everything on its head very often.
That's not to say that soccer needs moregoalslol, great defense should be one of the valid ways to build a team and a solid strategy. It's just that in other sports, great defense can still lead to exciting games, but because soccer can only score one point at a time it makes it damn near impossible to hit the ceiling of excitement that other sports have unless both sides just give up on defense and go for broke.
Also for anyone who wants to interject that competitions like the champions league have the away goals rule that makes one goal go from losing to winning, keep in mind that that is because of a rule in the competition, not because of a basic rule that applies to every soccer game. If it was something that could happen in every game like with our sports, then no matter what competition it's part of it could be more interesting.
This isn't one of those threads where people go "here's my plan of how to fix soccer". This isn't that easy to fix, it's a symptom of the entire setup of the sport as a whole, meaning soccer itself is flawed. However, because Americans have been spoiled with actually exciting sports to watch, soccer is just not going to be better than any of them. It's impossible, the best you can hope for is to put band-aids on it like punishing flopping and diving harder.
In essence, there's just much more volatility in American sports. Every single year in every sport we see something genuinely amazing that's still captivating even though we see amazing things all the time. Every now and then there's something that nobody has ever seen before at all, and it's enthralling. When it comes to soccer though, the individual display of athleticism that goes into some of the goals may be impressive, but compared to our sports it's a lot rarer to find an individual game that makes people go "Wow, that game was really exciting even out of context". Basically, soccer is too stable, too stuck in a mold or living by some formula. It's not chaotic enough. If it was, things like 7-1 would happen much more routinely, and the once-in-a-generation events would be even crazier.
In short, the very nature of soccer makes it a boring sport.
>The problem I have, is the noticeable lack of instant extreme game changers. In football, basketball, and baseball the scoring system is set up so that it's possible to go from losing one moment to winning in just one play, and that can mean everything.
Soccer is a terribly designed game, even its hardcore fans know it and equate the event of a goal to a junkie getting his fix.
That's the whole gimmick of the sport. Bore your audience to death (luckily for them, they invented chanting to keep themselves awake during Tiki Taka) so when something DOES happen it's happening is equated with Haley's comet passing the Earth.
>I keep thinking about this question lately, maybe because I’ve been finding myself drawn to more and more boring games. This past weekend, I sat through the slow cudgeling death of Liverpool-Stoke. The final score was 0-0,
>So it’s not that a boring game is purer than an entertaining game or that there’s something moral about enduring tedium (although I know fans who might make that argument). I watch soccer to be amazed.
Meaning that since "nothing happens for 88 minutes" relatively mundane goals and events are cause for celebration. It's much like if you stuck someone in a dark room for 8 hours, a ray of sunshine is going to look like the most beautiful thing you ever seen.
The better sports gives us rays of sunshine on the regular, so big events in football, basketball, baseball, and even non-American sports like Rugby, AFL, Cricket are like Supernovas.
Am I saying that soccer fans are simple minded?
And don't come at me with the qualitative aspects of the game. I appreciate how an attack builds, the footwork involved of handling and passing the ball, etc, etc. But after you get over that initial understanding, the game is just tedious.
>goals should be worth 3 points inside the box and 5 outside.
Keep the goalie, but yes, that would improve soccer exponentially. You just took a child's game and made it much more strategically complex and dramatic.
Oh, and PKs are only worth 1 point. There is nothing cheaper than a penalty kick deciding a game. It makes no sense, given how hard it is to score in the first place even if you get inside the box, so awarding a 90% sure goal to a player who probably wouldn't have scored even if there was no penalty is retarded.
>>a bunch of herpy derpy follows it
I blame the proliferation of smart phones. I rarely see discussions go paragraph length anymore. Just greetexting and that flag, this topic and memes.
Occasional thread ending reminder.
This is the blubbershoot's preferred 'sport'
All blubbershoot opinion is to be disregarded for the sake of sports
The blubbershoot simply will never learn, so addicted to commercials since birth, he simply has never developed the capacity to enjoy anything else
>1 goal per goal regardless of where it's scored. None of this throwing points about for no discernible reason. I don't give a fuck if almost every other sport in the world does it.
Real talk. Problem is that PKs are "worth too much."
Many times the player who was fouled in the box had little to no chance of scoring, no obvious passing target, etc, etc. He gets lightly tripped up and then is awarded a 90-95% chance attempt at a goal.
The whole game play of soccer is designed around how HARD it is to score, so deciding a game on a penalty is nonsensical and feels cheap.
Penalty shootouts are also stupid. Dramatic as they might be, a sport shouldn't be decided by a minigame that is only loosely related to the core game. What's the English refrain, "We always go out on penalties."
"But they would be exhausted having to play for 3, 4, 5 hours."
Isn't a roster 25 deep? And if that's not enough to play a potentially 5 hour game, extend the rosters. Since it's the popular sport on Earth, the talent pool is big enough. It would also make roster building a more interesting affair.
Those 11 minutes are packed with more meaningful action than a 90 minute soccer game.
every good team has a unique, identifiable style. you're probably watching teams whose styles you don't like. watch barca or real madrid if you want to see aggressive pushing at goal and blooters.
Shame to see it's growing in Australia.
Why americans are so obsessed with football ("soccer" hehe) ?
But there's goals with the goal in American football.
A "long throw forward" is attempting to get a first down and also spreads out the defense for later plays in the drive so that you can attack the middle and flats with your running game and screens.
>Why americans are so obsessed with football ("soccer" hehe) ?
>Trying to have a reasonable, intelligent discussion about soccer and its flaws.
>Responding with memes.
Americans are the most open minded sporting fans on Earth. It's why we can support dozens of professional sports leagues in everything from football to golf to even lacrosse.
Euros are the ones who irrationally hate anything that doesn't conform to soccer's gameplay style.
Im with you man. I like soccer, but I will never say it is my favorite sport ever, because it is the most flawed of all the sports. Sure, NFL is going crazy with penalties and commercials. MLB still sucks with video replay. And NBA is hard to find parity.
Americans go through the same faze every 4 years. Its the World Cup. Qualifier coverage. USA has a goodbye tour. People go apeshit. They buy jerseys and say they're die hard USA fans. Tweet shit like 'wow soccer is pretty cool' and 'man i cant believe i never watched this stuff, must follow the league now'. Once the cup is over they forget about soccer for the next 4 years. Sure, they know Messi and Ronaldo. But a regular season MLB game probably gets more views than a cup final, and El Clasico will get the last minute of coverage on Sportscenter. I dread to see the day the start off Sportscenter with La Liga or EPL coverage, which will never ever happen.
There's also a big problem with trying to be 'european' about it. Using words like kit, pitch or some manager getting sacked, its really fucking annoying. Jerseys. Field. Fired. Makes you look like a faggot. Plus, in my school, being a soccer player was seen as being gay tbqhwyfasdf.
>There's also a big problem with trying to be 'european' about it.
>“It’s almost guaranteed that almost any male literary person under the age of 45 is going to be somewhat versed in soccer,” said Sean Wilsey, a writer who helped edit “The Thinking Fan’s Guide to the World Cup,”
you can argue just as well that hoofing it up front is attempting to get the ball knocked out of touchline by an opposing center back which allows a throw in near the penalty box.
those penalties, while harsh, require the disadvantaged team to radically alter their playing style and accommodate. I think that makes it overall more challenging and thus entertaining.
Yeah, but a player and his team shouldn't be that harshly penalized for a hard slide tackle and such.
They should do it like the NHL where the offending red carded player sits out for a few minutes, giving the other team a power play.
I agree that egregious acts like biting or targeting the groin, etc, should be met with a player ejection, but after the power play is up, the team should be able to sub.
i don't think it was as harsh initially until a few high profile incidents of players getting their legs snapped or something equally horrific from poor slide tackles.
i just look at it as throwing one more challenge the teams way. like turning on hard mode. not necessarily disagreeing with you btw.
>They should do it like the NHL where the offending red carded player sits out for a few minutes
It couldn't work. People would be tackling in the box far more often if their punishment was lessened that much.
However, the current system IS too harsh for a foul in the box. They call it a triple jeopardy because the player is instantly sent off, is suspended for at least 1 match following the current one, AND a penalty is given. I don't really know how to fix it while sending the message that it's a serious offense in terms of the game, though,
heres an idea if you dont like a certain sport why not just avoid it instead of trying to convince millions or in this case billions of people who enjoy it. most people who like one sport enjoy sports altogether and have tried other sports as well. at some point they decided which they liked best and there are reasons for that. if you dont get why certain sports are popular you probably just dont get the sport altogether
There's less lead changes, sure, but lower scoring also means less blowouts.
Personally, I can't watch soccer because I didn't grow up with it, and thus I don't have an irrational attachment to a specific team.
If I grew up in Europe I'd love it and hate baseball, but instead I'm the opposite. Having a stake in the outcome is more important than any technical facet of the game itself.
This is the comment people like to post. It makes them feel good about the fact that soccer hasn't completely taken over the american sports scene yet. As if statistic didn't exist. There are more soccer players in the us than any other organized team sport. It is a FACT.
You can cry and fart all you want but the next generation of americans will be a soccer generation. Period. Anyone who is somebody in sports know this. Investors are putting more and more money on soccer. Even espn had to accept that soccer is inevitable.
Don't be mad tho.
>Americans trying to Americanize soccer
Please pleas PLEASE DO NOT EVER LET THIS FUCKING HAPPEN! I'd rather see my ads on the perimeter fence than have the broadcast interrupted ever 2 and half minutes to try and sell me GMC Silverado F350 trucks
>There are more soccer players in the us than any other organized team sport.
Yes. Because it is cheap, and not seen as a contact sport by mothers so they allow the kids to play. Also, what is Title IX? You know, the rule that mandates men and women must have equal percentage of participants in college (50/50 among student athletes). Since most schools have a football team that carry say 80 males. What's the biggest way to gain women in that statistic? a womens soccer team, which can carry around 25 players.
>It makes them feel good about the fact that soccer hasn't completely taken over the american sports scene yet.
As if. Im pretty sure most people would recognize Manziel, JJ Watt and Odell Beckham over Harry Kane, Diego Costa, or Luis Suarez. And dont forget the lack of coverage. On a local level, the MLS team gets a shout out like '....and the galaxy won 2-1. that does it for sports'. On a national level, a champions league semi takes the back seat to the NFL draft and playoff hockey.
1) Gambling. Most people only watch teams outside of their favorite to keep up with fantasy football and gambling.
2) The weekly game format of the NFL, on a day when most people are off (Sunday), makes it an event that people can watch. By contrast, baseball, hockey, and basketball can always be 'watched tomorrow.'
3) The game is very structured - you have a team that is clearly on offense and a team clearly on defense. So most of the time you have a clear expectation of when your team can score, barring an exceptional turnover that leads to a touchdown. Soccer (and hockey) are more random with the ball/puck bouncing around, then suddenly there's a goal. It happens so quick and suddenly that you can easily miss it while chatting with your bros.
Ok. Stick to your football, we'll stick to ours. I'm watching the Panthers vs Colts right now and I'd hardly call it exciting, give me a game of proper football over this every day of the week.
>that would improve soccer exponentially
Shut the fuck up. Some goals from inside the area are much more difficult to score than some other blooters from outside the box.
Fuck's sake America, stick to your commercials and playoffs and shit, and leave us alone.
Americans tend to watch games as a secuence of emotional events ( separated by AT&T, geico, doritos, etc). They can't into football because instead if mere emotions, it also requires sentiment. American sports are like movies. Football is like a novel, like life itself.
Random question, soccer friends -
So, I was watching some old film on YouTube and I noticed some goal keepers like to wear caps, especially "news boys" caps, back in the day.
Any particular reason for this? Was it to block the sun? If that's the case, why didn't more players out in the field wear them?
>why didn't more players out in the field wear them?
They were/are not allowed to, as you can use your head to touch the ball too.
Tbqh I don't know why goalkeepers were allowed to wear caps as, of course, they can use any part of the body. Never thought about that.
>Americans tend to watch games as a secuence of emotional events ( separated by AT&T, geico, doritos, etc). They can't into football because instead if mere emotions, it also requires sentiment. American sports are like movies. Football is like a novel, like life itself.
I always love when Canadians get their Eurokekery going on and defend soccer as if they're a soccer loving country that "appreciates" the game just like their European Overlords.
Soccer is even more irrelevant in Canada than it is in the US. Canadians and Americans basically watch the same sports.
Ok so I'm bored at work (night shift my friend) and I've checked wikipedia.
Apparently, as goalkeepers are not "regular" they're allowed to wear caps, long pants, gloves, masks... But only them can do it, the other players on the field can't.
I played soccer all my life since I was a little kid, followed clubs, constantly watched games, and sincerely enjoyed it. Started watching the NBA, football, hockey, and more recently, baseball and now soccer bores and frustrates me. 22 whiny little bitches on a field always complaining about the rules and everytime a player goes down its a dive. They aren't nearly as athletic as the American athletes. The experience of going to a live game doesn't even come close to NBA or Hockey (football tickets overpriced) and say what you want about commercial breaks but I'd much rather watch that than 5 minutes of a player crying on the floor like a bitch and then getting up and running off after the ref delivers a yellow to the opposition. The clock is fucking bullshit the ref decides how long the game is gonna last? And he never sticks to the full injury time either there's always an extra few minutes. Medieval ass FIFA REFUSES to implement a replay system which is retarded and way too many games are decided by penalties, yeah determining the winner of a soccer game with penalties is stupid as shit. I regret not playing another sport im good at soccer and I hate it now. Probably be getting into rugby soon when I get more time cause it looks exciting as hell.
Why does this meme still exist? It's already been proven thanks to NFL replay that an NFL game without the timeouts, crowd shots, penalties, fouls, ect. is still over an hour long. That means a football game is still longer than a shitty divegrass game
I agreed with your whole post up until
>soccer fans are simple minded
I don't think they're "simple minded" so much as they're loyal to the sport for more involved reasons such as their country of origin, the way they were brought up, community, traditions, etc
Soccer has very high participation rates in Australia because It's what kids play
If you're a kid in Australia playing a team sport It's either Cricket or Soccer, usually Soccer
Some stick with soccer and that's why Australia has a relatively small but passionate fanbase, but vast majority either
a) Stop playing club team sports
b) Play AFL
c) Play Rugby
Also participlation rate is just one way of measuring it
Surely viewership and revenue would be far better ways of doing it, and for that It's AFL > NRL in close second >>>>>>>> Literally nothing of relevance for a very long way >>>>>>> Soccer > Rugby Union
Cricket is difficult to rank in regards to popularity because It simultaneously is enjoyed by pretty much all Australians, but has no relevant domestic league so It's comparing apples to oranges. Some say It's the most popular sport in Australia (But literally no one would tell you they prefer Cricket over AFL, NRL or Soccer) while others place it third behind AFL and NRL
I think everyone would like just about every sport if they developed an emotional attatchment to a team.
I mean you have sports people and then you have non-sports people. I think everyone on /sp/ or the internet sees people shitpost about their shit, and since they aren't involved they see it as mindless shit until they get into it.
I used to hate it until I followed a few of my countrymen's history in and, picked a squad to get to know and I've loved it every since.
Everyone loves shittalk and competition. It's why we are on /sp/ and it's why the board didn't put up with any of moot's shit.
I'm an Australian and I have a serious problem with shitposting.
That's pretty common, but it's not the memes and (You)s that get to me. It's not that 95% of /sp/ is just posting and replying. It's not the janitor's no slag posting rules, the having fun rules, the corrupt mods, the lack of determination to better the board, the no parity enforcement, the no power rankings, the fact that the janitors salary cap is 0, the promotion and relegation oof these fuckwits, the ads on the site, the /sp/ergs whinging, or even the tripfags calling themselves a decent human being like they do it just for fun. Lots of that shit is great and fun but if you think of it as part of the /sport board/ experience in Australia, which already is fucking shit anyways, then some of it is tolerable.
The problem I have, is the noticeable lack of instant extreme shitposters. In /epl/, /NFL/, and match threads the posting system used to be set up so that it was possible to go from rekking one cunt in just one post, and that can mean everything to me. Now in a matchthread if you're posting, even if a great shitpost is created the best you can get from it is either a ban or one lousy (You). With how little shitposting goes on period, this means that IP changes are just not very common, so the majority of most bans are just the same situation, either we're fucked for a week or fucked for long stretches, maybe the mods extend or shrink the ban but it doesn't just flip everything on its head very often.
That's not to say that threads need moreshitpostslel, great shitposting should be one of the valid ways to build a this board and a solid userbase. It's just that in the other boards, great shitposting can still lead to exciting threads, but because /sp/ can only shitpost one post at a time it makes it damn near impossible to evade the ban of excitement that other boards don't have unless both poster and mod just give up on moderation and go for top lels.
Americans literally watch the game wrong. Once you get over the fact it's not the same as other sports, you can appreciate it better
Please watch vid related
Has op never watched a game of football before or basing his opinions based on stereotypes or what he imagines football to be like?
>no game changers
Yeah, because no team has ever gone on to win from a losing position. Ever.
Can't even be bothered to discredit the other points
>Americans literally watch the game wrong.
There's nothing present in soccer (from a core gameplay standpoint) that there isn't in hockey.
From the vid's comments:
>Problem with soccer is, everything that's pointed out in this video, while true and fair enough, is also true of hockey, but hockey is much faster, physical, and exciting. Tactically, soccer and hockey are largely identical, but hockey takes place on a relatively small rink, with players on ice skates moving relatively very fast, and a puck in place of a ball hit with sticks in place of legs. For all these reasons, hockey is far more compelling, even while sharing the same basic strategy.
I give soccer points over hockey in goal scoring variation and "aesthetics," but what turns Americans (and I guess Australians and Canadians) off of soccer is:
>Penalty kicks deciding games
>Penalty shootouts deciding games (although those exist in hockey, but at least the player has to skate up and make a move to generate a good shot
>Low comeback and "rally" factor and not enough of a punch-counterpunch dynamic with the scoring. Too many games end in 1-0, 2-1, etc. To put into words, "Soccer games end in too many one punch knockouts."
Not shitting on the sport, but it doesn't have to do with watching it wrong. If you've watched a lot of hockey and basketball, you can pick up on soccer's tactics and attacking building pretty easily.
despite all the memery, there are a few core issues with modern soccer
I say this as someone who's played since like, 5
1. no salary caps. this unbearably fucks competitiveness across the board. continental soccer has been shit for AGES specifically because of this
2. diving. I stopped playing football because of this alone. you challenge some faggot for possession, and he just dives. and then does. not. get. up. it gets progressively worse as you move up from amateur to pro
3. no replays for goals. fuck fifa with their "muh flow"
4. generally dickless reffing. im actually impressed when I watch nfl, and the refs give no shits. in any major soccer game, it's always players crowding the ref/stalling/etc
5. corruption. fuck fifa x2
You would have to make salary caps for every single league in the UEFA on same level which is impossible due to different currencies in some countries and a huge lobby from the richest clubs. It just wont happen but I wish it could.
Now teams from leagues like Polish don't stand a chance against anything from BPL/Bundes because one player in top 5 leagues is worth more than a whole team in poorer leagues.
>4. generally dickless reffing. im actually impressed when I watch nfl, and the refs give no shits. in any major soccer game, it's always players crowding the ref/stalling/etc
I somehow ran into videos about this guy today: Nigel Owens, a rugby referee. I feel like you might appreciate his work.
If there's something I like about divegrass, it's the fact that it's an international sport. You have teams from all over the world playing against each other. I wish we could have something like that for our sports leagues, we'd still be the best of course, but it'd be interesting to see the Lakers going against the best team from Germany or something like that.
didn't read lol
It's funny hwo americlaps keep making these "sawker is shit" threads while the rest of the world simply doesn't give a fuck about American sports and take it as a given that they're boring and designed to shove commercials down viewers' throats and don't even feel the need to discuss it on /sp/.
Thanks, guys. I'm not an expect or a huge soccer enthusiast, but I do have a respect for the history and tradition that comes along with the game. I think professional, American sports culture could learn a few things from our European brothers and I think you see some of that (i.e. the deep comradery) at college sporting events.
I also have a deep respect for the announcer Kenneth Wolstenholme ("They think it's all over!) Great voice, excellent enthusiasm. Really seemed to love the game.
Any other great announcers you guys would suggest?
The whole "nothing happens" is just the perfect encapsulation of "muricans are dumb", and it's all the more amazing because you guys say it so frequently and remain oblivious to the fact that you're basically saying "look how fucking stupid I am."
You are essentially saying that you are not only incapable of enjoying something other than a goal (ie ACTION) but aren't even capable of watching something and processing that things are happening that everyone else can see and appreciate and enjoy but you, cos you're just so darned fucking dumb.
Something is happening constantly. Teams are set up in different formations to suit their opponent. You can admire whether a team keeps the ball on the ground and plays it out from the back or plays more directly. Do they play through the midfield or with wingers? Do they value possession or organisation?
You're essentially saying you are incapable of understanding what is happening in a game of chess unless it's one piece knocking another off the board. The whole other time it's just two guys sat staring at each other, right?
Yeah, I think I read something about that on FIFA's website. Not sure if it's a requirement, but I think they strongly encourage it and I can see why.
Still, I kinda like the look. Sort of reminds you soccer is, at its core, a school grounds game.
Did Latin American goal keepers wear those caps back in the day, too, Brazilfriend?
Rugby is "similar" to American sports and you still don't play it. You know why? The same reason why you don't play soccer, because other nations play it and you know you can't defeat us. You take the easy way and play sports only played in your country so you can claim you are world champions at something
Because the olympics are amateur games, not professional sports
The USA is literally the only country that invests money in what was supossed to be amateur, of course you will win
But you said that the US didn't care about sports that other countries play because we're afraid that we'll lose. That doesn't make any sense, since we dominate the world's biggest international sports competition.
>"soccer" in the olympics use u20 players, ergo amateur
That's not how it works. Most of those players are being paid by a club, ergo professional.
>boxing uses amateur boxers
>rugby is played by 7s, ergo amateur
So professional players aren't allowed?
7s is a complete different sport, I seriously doubt any nation has professional athletes here (considering this semi-sport is dominated by africans)
You are proving my point, boxing will turn professional; it's still amateur
They're still sports, though. You said this:
>You take the easy way and play sports only played in your country so you can claim you are world champions at something
That's completely wrong. There is not a single Olympic sport that is only played in the United States. Hell, none of the major sports in the United States are only played in the United States.
>thinking that all Americans have agreed to avoid playing soccer for fear of losing at it
>thinking that soccer just isn't popular here because other sports got popular here first, just like in Canada and Australia
I thought Argentines were supposed to be the smart latinos
Sorry, my English is quite poor. How do you call the people from the Americas as a whole?
People from Finland and Italy are European, people from Japan and Iran are Asian. People from Argentina and the USA are...?
Lack of decent coaches and general interest in the sport. Soccer is number 1 in Uruguay by a ridiculous margin, every kid who plays sports wants to be a soccer player and their whole sports infrastructure is geared towards soccer. It's completely different in the US.
>Central America is part of the north American continent
Central America is a region, not a continent. North America can be split into 3 regions, more or less (using the UN Geoscheme here)
>Northern America: Canada and the US
>Central America: Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, Belize, Costa Rica, Panama, El Salvador
>Caribbean: Cuba, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, Bahamas, Haiti, various tiny island nations
This is true just look at the intro of this match (0:35)
They think that this is some sort of Michael Bay movie, you can even hear a fucking eagle in the distance
Uruguay focuses hard on soccer despite how great the American soccer program is.
Soccer in the US is largely seen as a pre-teen sport that people eventually transition to the big 3 from
> Whole team was 43-6 over 4 years
> Never won state in Texas, but usually made to the second/third round consistently
>Everyone dropped it instantly for baseball after turning 11-12
I understand the appeal but the game is far, far from perfect.
The lack of replay, penalty kicks are retarded, the bullshit amounts of added time, the diving, the crying,the time wasting. And then there's the corruption, but that's another story.
I don't really mind ties but it is a bit annoying when a team plays specifically for a tie.
>You're essentially saying you are incapable of understanding what is happening in a game of chess unless it's one piece knocking another off the board. The whole other time it's just two guys sat staring at each other, right?
lemme see your chinky face when this applies to 75% of the complaints about the NFL
It's a joke, the character is meant to be a stereotypical Texas football coach. But yes, we really don't like ties. For all of the major sports, there's a certain period of extra time that has to be played first before a game is declared a tie. And I think baseball literally has no limit on how many extra innings you can have, so theoretically a game could go on forever.
he's gone back to the classic
playoff hockey has an infinite series of 20 minute overtimes, I have watched a 6 hour game before.
Regular season hockey has a 5 minute 3-on-3 overtime and then a shootout after that.
>Im pretty sure most people would recognize Manziel, JJ Watt and Odell Beckham over Harry Kane, Diego Costa, or Luis Suarez.
you are really really funny
I for one am glad the sport doesn't rely on a single meme moment that allows a shittier team to win. That's a gripe I sometimes have with basketball and especially football but I also do find it entertaining at times.
>I for one am glad the sport doesn't rely on a single meme moment that allows a shittier team to win.
Soccer games rely on meme moments that allow shittier teams to win all the time.
>One team dominates the entire game
>Inferior team gets a lucky goal
>Parks the bus
In almost any part of the world, JJ Watts, Manziel and even Roethlisberger can walk around town without even being recognized.
Maybe Brady because his wife is hot and famous.
As for a Suarez, you have no idea how many people would instantly recognize these rat teeth, same for this ugly fucker Costa.
Kane is pretty young and new so no wonder
Beckham is known, Penaldo and such are all recognized in the Us.
As for United states athletes, besides Phelps or maybe... I cant even think of anyone else, no one knows them outside of the United states, even if they are supposed to be the best.
I personally know them because Ive played handegg, but otherwise, if compared, Pro soccer players are more known in the Us than Us pros anywhere else than in the Us
>OP makes reasonable, logical post about the stagnant nature of povertyball
>rest of the thread full of foreigners screaming like the under-developed monkeys they are, bitter at the thought of real football because the egg shape of the ball reminds them of the food they haven't had in weeks
Success breeds jealousy, I guess.
the problem is you're comparing athletics to sports, all American 'spots' are just disguised athletics competitions, in team sports you'll always get boring games were both sides cancel each-other out, the only solution is to remove all the strategy, tactics and skill and make it about an easily achievable objective that can be reached by running fast/being strong/ jumping high
This I can agree with, they should only be awarded if an absolute clear cut goal was prevented and if a player is found to be diving in penalty area they should be instantly red carded
Not necessarily true. One goal in soccer means a lot. There are some great games where the underdogs have won by scoring just in the last minutes. Think about a team leading 1-0 for 80 minutes, then the other team equalizes to 1-1. Now, the last ten minutes is a battle for the game-changing goal. In many sports the point difference might be so radical, that a team won't have a chance of equalizing/winning in the last minutes.
I could refer to atleast Turkey-Croatia in Euro 2008, watch the latter part.
I don't actually care for these kind of pissing matches, I was asking a direct question and you deflected like a child. There were many other posts which were negative towards American Football, a sport I have no time for whatsoever, maybe reply to them instead.
and this guy is retarded if you don't think there's strategy in american sports that can overcome superior athleticism. There's a reason blake griffin isn't the best NBA player and the Houston defense isn't GOAT.
>I'm an american
stopped reading right there lmfao
I've never much cared for this kind of match-up. Brady and Manning are quarterbacks for opposing teams. They will never meet. Brady will never intercept one of Manning's passes. Yeah, it's two of the best taking turns showing what they can do, but it's them against the defences.
On Sunday the 8th, the Brits will have Tottenham v Arsenal. The north London rivals are 2nd and 5th in the league, and they have the 2nd and 3rd-best goal differentials. This will be Harry Kane, England's rising star striker, against Petr Cech, that guy you remember because he wears the rugby helmet and he's still one of the best despite being a million years old. The midfield is full of players I've actually heard of, going up against other players I've heard of. This is gonna be good.
>this guy is retarded if you don't think there's strategy in american sports that can overcome superior athleticism
You must have quoted the wrong person in your low blood sugar-induced haze as I clearly said nothing of the sort, nor would I. I simply asked whether 'parking the bus' was a legitimate play.
>I'm an American and I've tried to watch soccer
It has nothing to do with the rivalry of two players which doesnt even exist, only the media created it for more hype. Its the teams and the fanbases that have rivalry. Barcelona against madrid, the independence seeking catalonia against the control of the government. Players come and go but this match will always be spectacular. Btw i have never seen a bad clasico in my life, try it just once its nothing like other soccer matches, it oozes with tension and entertainment
I've seen Americans non-ironically on /sp/ saying they'd switch teams if Brady left the Patriots and know people who have done similar things. They seem to favour personal success stories to team success.
>>seem to favor personal success
Is that really so surprising, given the composition of the US? We're culturally, socially, racially, and politically diverse, with parts of the country having greater differences than some entire nations relative to each other (barring language differences of course). It means almost nothing, for better or worse, to be American. Where heterogeneity overtakes homogeneity, look for dedication to groups over individuals to decline.
No it's not surprising, nor do I mean it as an insult if it came off that way, it's just an indication that our sports are so vastly different because we appreciate them differently.
>Rugby is "similar" to American sports and you still don't play it. You know why? The same reason why you don't play soccer, because other nations play it and you know you can't defeat us.
Rugby had a minor following in Northern California in the 1900-20s.
A team of COLLEGE kids composed from that region managed to defeat a World Champion Australian Team and beat a Rugby power in France in back-to-back in the Olympics.
They only got crushed by the All Blacks, who also crushed Australia, England, and everyone else during that period, so the US wasn't unique.
Soccer? First World Cup, we finished 3rd. Granted, that competition was only 13 teams deep, but we finished higher than France, Belgium, Brazil, etc.
And since when are tennis, golf, boxing, ice hockey (we're not dominant there, but competitive), volleyball (a few world titles there), etc, etc American sports?
Every time a foreigner uses "they play their own sports because they can't win at world sports!" I interpret it as, "We know they would be successful if they continued development of their Rugby (not really a world sport) and Soccer programs."
>all American 'spots' are just disguised athletics competitions, in team sports you'll always get boring games were both sides cancel each-other out, the only solution is to remove all the strategy, tactics and skill and make it about an easily achievable objective that can be reached by running fast/being strong/ jumping high
Why do Bongs believe this?
The most "athletic teams" never, ever win in the NBA, NFL, NHL, and MLB.
The most successful teams of the 80's were the Lakers and Celtics. The Lakers indeed played a fast breaking style, but the only athletic horse on that team was James Worthy. They had average athletes by NBA standard everywhere else. They won by the superiority of their system (strategy/tactics) and skills (passing, post play if the game slowed down to a half court game. Magic and Kareem were very good in the post)
And the Celtics played "old man ball." Basically won by being smarter and craftier than other teams.
Jordan? Didn't win shit until Phil Jackson came in and implemented the Triangle offense. Yes, Jordan was a freak athlete, but was also highly skilled and had the best fundamentals in the league.
Spurs play a similar old man ball style and have been the most successful team over the past 20 years.
This is not even worth writing paragraphs for. Anyone who isn't brain dead knows the smarter and more skilled teams win more.
Jordan was the greatest athlete of the 90's. Couldn't help him hit a minor league curveball. Jumping high and running fast also won't help you throw and catch accurately or hit well. That is 100% skill based.
Wayne Gretzky. Small by NHL standards. Not particularly a fast skater. Didn't have a powerful slapshot, but became the best player in history through superior tactical vision and skills.
Bongs are so fucking retard, it defies logic. Well maybe not, considering all the inbreeding.
Of course, but the US institutes better programs than any other country. And that is easier said than done.
Many foreign Olympians and other sportsmen come here to train, attend college on athletic scholarships.
And we were developing a soccer program in the form a domestic professional league, but FIFA politicking killed it and soccer interest died soon after. Had nothing to do with, "Hurr durr, we can't beat the mighty foreigners, better stick to baseball and American football."
>golf, boxing, ice hockey, volleyball
>I interpret it as "We know they would be successful if they continued development of their Rugby (not really a world sport) and Soccer programs."
And I interpret that as "one day we will be absolutely dominant if we continue our development program and then c.uck the entire world forever and ever. All Murica will bandwagon our boys when that happens!"
Which is incredibly funny because there's no magic trick that does that, Murica san, there's no assured victory, no permanent superiority, no 'we're so much better and undefeatable by everybody else'.
If anyone is interested.
^^^Was the second most popular pro sports league in the US at the team, but...
>However, the Soccer Wars had permanently crippled the ASL and it collapsed at the end of the 1933 spring season. Ironically, while USFA and FIFA "won" the wars and established their pre-eminence over the ASL, the spectacle of a U.S. athletic association conspiring with a European organization to undermine a U.S. athletic league alienated many U.S. sports fans by creating an image of soccer as a sport controlled by foreigners. These fans turned their backs on soccer, relegating the sport to the position of a minor league, ethnic-based sport for decades to come.
it is funny that to pass the illusion that american sports are deep they throw around meanless stats and circle themselves with commentators
when a sport that has basically 10% of causing brain injuries to a teen is glorified, and no one does anything to decrease this percentage
Oh, and successful doesn't mean dominant. No country can ever dominate soccer. Too many people play it.
But I do I think we would have won 1 or 2 World Cups had soccer continue to develop from the 1900s when it was actually a popular sport here?
I think it's more than likely.
I didn't include tennis among the obvious meme sports. We've had more than Nadal though, both in men and women tennis.
Also, your men tennis relevance died a long time ago with Sampras.
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No. The Bryan Brothers are the most dominant doubles team of the decade and are considered by many to be the best men's doubles team in history.
Their 25 million dollars in total prize money won say otherwise.
Recipe for sporting success:
Money, which leads to building infrastructure, + athletic talent pool to draw from + sport being culturally important.
The history of the game actually goes back further in the US than it does in Spain. We had soccer professional leagues around the same time Spain played its first official game.
If the game maintained the cultural relevance it had in those days combined with our population and ability to build sporting infrastructure, the US would be a soccer power right now.
You think I'm speaking from US arrogance? No. Just logic. Spain has always been an athletic country, once a basketball afterthought in International competition, but the game has taken hold over there in the past 15 years, which has led to cultural relevance + money for infrastructure, and lo and behold, Spain is a basketball power.
It isn't rocket science, my friend.
>Many foreign Olympians and other sportsmen come here to train, attend college on athletic scholarships.
that's not comparable to football, there is tons of infrastructure and professional leagues pretty much everywhere.
I was talking specifically about soccer, just saying that building sporting infrastructure for not just one sport, but a variety of sports, is easier said than done.
Not many countries have the land space, variable climate (ex, Australia doesn't have the climate to build a top tier Winter Sports infrastructure) , GDP, etc to build the kind of programs we have here.
That is fucking retarded. I know shit about cushionbump but dont they play the exact same position and would never have any effect on each other? That would be like getting excited because Neuer and buffon were goalkeeping against each other.
Maybe tennis is the sport for you.