>>34477378 >Race said to abhor close combat seeing it as barbaric >Their entire ruling caste are well trained melee specialists who carry a wide range of blades and blunt weapons >The ruling caste settle their differences by engaging in ritualistic sword dancing duels
>>34477456 What, they put in a lot of effort make all those cool guns and big robot suits. They just want to use that stuff given how much work it took to get it. Using a gigantic finetuned warmachine armed with the most cutting edge superguns you can get to hit the other guys over their collective heads like cavemen would just be a waste.
Ba'sing sept, founded in the second sphere of expansion was primarily an earth caste planet. It was considered the Tau equivalent of a forgeworld and had a large supply of techs/workers from other newly races, conditioned and educated on its nearby moon.
Th industries soon expanded into space and a number of orbital stations and construction yards were built, modified by the locals to incorporate large defensive emplacements.
When the nearby enclaves rebelled, farsight launched an attack to claim the sept quickly in typical mont'ka fashion. Using an empty starship as a battering ram he punched a hole in the defences and began to land troops. The assault was eventually repelled but the damage was done, the faith of the citizens were shaken and their cities were in ruins.
It was at this time that the ethereals stepped in, a massive movement to make the citizens forget what happened and rebuild. The Troops garrisoned here are half patriotic nationalists and half secret police force, grizzled veterans of the conflict with tau rebels they carry large banners and customize their equipment so as to be easily recognizable as loyalist forces
More effective then you would think, but board-game balance and all.
I mean, Las-guns fluff wise are supposed to wreck anything remotely similar to a human, armored or otherwise.
Thing is, 9/10 times you aren't fighting anything similar to a human, it's either a fucking fungus, fueled by the bullshit substance of the warp, too fast for you to see it dodge, an unending tide of chitin or a thousand other fucking things.
Against Tau? Wrecks their shit, problem is, the Tau are a mobile force, so you wreck their shit and they snipe the fuck out of you.
I still honestly don't see WHY the Tau are important enough to warrant an Army, at least the Deldar have interesting fluff and are still somewhat relevant.
The Tau are slow as fuck in Space, it's said somewhere, probably xenobiology or some stupid book, that a proper Imperial Hiveworld has more population total than the Entire Tau Species, most of their technology isn't even theirs (Railguns were given to them by dark spess dwarves, and fairly certain plasma tech was scrounged from a derelict Ad-Mech ship via Old Warpstorm) they don't even think Daemons or The Chaos Gods exist, their empire is stupidly tiny and already fractured, and their Leadership is a bunch of naive cocksucks.
>>34479293 >(Railguns were given to them by dark spess dwarves, and fairly certain plasma tech was scrounged from a derelict Ad-Mech ship via Old Warpstorm)
If you make stuff up like this it makes your other claims look suspicious. The Railgun is theirs and so is the plasma.
What they took from the other races was the old warp skim drives from an identified ship wreckage on their moon and Ion technology from the Dwarf things. Both of these were retconned in the 6ed fluff which says that the Tau drives and Ion technology were crated by the Tau themselves.
Oh, I'm sorry, the technology that the Tau found and had given to them was retconned to have been created by them in 6ed apparently, because the Tau are special to have Invented Warp Skim drives without actually understanding dick about the Warp/Immaterium at all and having near-zero or absolute-zero fucking Psykers to even realize that it is a thing, unless THAT was retconned as well.
Point is, I don't like the Tau, never have liked the Tau, so I don't pay attention to the Tau.
I DO however constantly scrounge for new information on the million other interesting species in the galaxy that would work better as an army.
Like these fuckers, they eat people and get all their memories, then as a hobby they enslave races and breed entire armies of food, to use a D&D analogue, they are a cross between a Minor Worm-That-Walks and a fucking Illithid / Aboleth.
Hell, to me, Illithids / Aboleths in space would be better than the Tau OR the Deldar.
>In order to feed their constant hunger, the Slaugth have begun to turn their attention to the Calixis Sector and have begun to destabilize the region by fomenting civil war and anarchy. They began by infiltrating the Amaranthine Syndicate when it was a fledgling trade cartel and slowly moved in to control it completely. This patient approach may take several human generations to come to fruition, but it is a plan brilliant in its simplicity, relying on basic human greed.[1a] The Slaught provide humans with technology, wealth, and trinkets, encouraging mankind to tear itself apart over these items. When their plans have sufficiently advanced, they intend to further infiltrate the major criminal, political, and economic organizations of the Imperium, with the Ecclesiarchy and Adeptus Administratum being likely targets. When the appointed time approaches, the Slaugth intend to see the sector collapse in on itself whereupon they will sweep through the region and have their way.[1b]
Well, I have my next Death Watch / Dark Heresy campaign!
Don't Illithids come from the future where they have already enslaved everything? Isn't that why Aboleths hate them, because they have no genetic memory that existed before the formation of the Universe that even points to the Illithid race ever existing?
I KNOW the Aboleths are Cthulhu-mythos tier, but I don't know much about illithids.
>>34478995 That's the imperial interpretation. In fact, the taus did all the work and the cadians just came late and took the glory, so to speak. The commander of the imperial force made the same interpretation as you, leading to a crusade being sent in tau space. It failed horribly.
Oh hey I wonder what kinda of tech a race of infiltrators and manipulators use, surely a race of ruthless border-line savages that have no concept of restraint and cause massacres so they can get high off of rotting brains can be advan-
>The Slaugth possess a mastery of biomechanical technology and elemental physics which exceeds that of mankind and perhaps even the Eldar. Among their more mysterious capabilities is the capacity to travel interstellar distances without making use of the Warp. Many of their devices are actually grown or augmented pseudo-living machines which blend both flesh and metal in a functional symbiosis.[1b] Their weapons and artefacts appear as products of warp craft to the uninitiated.[1d] This keen and terrible grasp of the biosciences allows them to grow entire armies instead of training them. Their array of constructs can be adapted to serve as guards, spies and even as labourers.[5b]
>>34479553 Yeah. Illithids are from a difficult to identify fantasy space future where the stars grew cold and distant and the suns darkened out and the gods died and they either evolved or else rose up out of the burrows that were already there (it's implied their existence is cyclical) to conquer the universe before something bigger and badder than them (prolly from the far realm) went on and destroyed their empire and forced them back in time. The Aboleths are nonplus because there have always been Aboleths and always will be but where the fuck did you come from? Honestly, the Aboleths probably don't even care about whatever ate the Illithid and will continue to Lovecraftian rape fish into the forseeable eternity (especially if its from the Far Realm, as they are Far Spawn kind of)
It isn't supposed to, you are just meant to shut the fuck up, accept it, and get back to sucking Tau cock or you and everyone that knows you, even remotely, will disappear off the face of creation, and may or may not show up later on a different planet in a different system spouting off about the Glorious Greater Good all the while covering your scar-ridden body and barely-held together shattered and reconstructed mind.
>>34479611 Actually if the the Imperium hadn't had to go and fight the first tyranic war then the bluies would have bought the big one. In fact the fleet that helped then fight of hive fleet gorgon were the reinforcements for the original crusade (because warp travel occasionally throws you into the future)
>>34479429 >Oh, I'm sorry, the technology that the Tau found and had given to them was retconned to have been created by them in 6ed apparently, because the Tau are special to have Invented Warp Skim drives without actually understanding dick about the Warp/Immaterium at all and having near-zero or absolute-zero fucking Psykers to even realize that it is a thing, unless THAT was retconned as well.
You could have read about the Tau BFG fluff to understand how the Tau came to discover and reverse engineer the warp drive to skim drives. Them being not pskers was addressed in that fluff.
Instead decided to be ignorant about it and go ''it doesn't make sense!!'.
>Point is, I don't like the Tau, never have liked the Tau, so I don't pay attention to the Tau.
Fair enough but if you want to criticize the Tau about specific parts of their lore (Technology, population, etc), you should at least be a little informed instead of pulling bullshit out of nowhere.
>>34479611 >The commander of the imperial force made the same interpretation as you, leading to a crusade being sent in tau space. >It failed horribly.
I don't think the Iron Hammer campaign has actually been mentioned since the 5th edition Tyranid codex (pic related). The 6th edition one also changed a bunch of other stuff about the Gorgon war, which was annoying.
Aboleths see Illithids as abomination because, as he said, Aboleths, who share bloodline memories that date back to the Primordial Chaos, have absolutely NO memories of the illithids ever being a thing, even though every Aboleth has the memories of the mother of their race, a horrible abomination that tunnels through the multiverse like a there really is no analogue for this, so when they just suddenly showed the fuck up, it kinda startled them.
Even The Eldest, an Aboleth that is BIGGER than an Abolethian CITY, which are pretty god damn huge, who was ALIVE when the Universe was born has no idea where the fuck they came from.
>>34479308 In old (well, not old old, but sort of old), it was possible to catch tyranid ships in hibernation during travel and wreck their shit before they wake up too much of their defences. It was usually SM operations, but I would interpret this "zero losses" as something like that. The other answer is drones. All of them.
>>34479506 Uh, they do take advantage of that in fluff.
Space Marines attack an orbital defense satellite. Kill the crew and eat their brains. They then know the location of ALL the nuclear weapon silos on the planet, teleport Terminators into every nuclear weapon silo, and start nuking every city on the planet.
That's how you conquer an entire planet with 75 battle brothers.
>>34479842 Which actually make sense, what's is losing a small diplomatic team to risking a war against an unknown enemy ? Or losing the opportunity to gain a powerful allies ? It's funny to us who know what the tyranid are, but for them without those informations, their actions are reasonable.
>>34479847 A chance their nuclear silos locations are a common knowledge to their people !
>>34479907 If you can't write proper English to make your point clear, then perhaps you're one who is retarded.
Anyways, the Imperials appeared while the Tau were fighting the nids and shared the effort in fighting the last of the Hive Fleet. They weren't sending envoys or anything, they were in the middle of a war. So you haven't actually read the fluff so why argue about it with something you made up?
I know the Eldar because Zoanthropes, Spess Muhreens are Tyrant Guard, Imperial Guard get dissolved en-masse with or two "True" genetic deviations are picked up because of adaptation to home worlds that are of interest.
But what the fuck could the Norn Queens use the Blank Gene for? Besides making damn certain Chaos stays the ever-sweet-loving fuck away from them, that is.
>Chaos tries to corrupt a small splinter fleet >Chaos is on the same planet with a Chaos artifact >Suddenly, Blank Carnifexes / Lictors / Winged Hive Tyrant / ALL OF THE GAUNTS / Gargoyles / Extremely Specialized unit that doesn't fuck with Synapse.
>>34479770 >To be fair, he DID use accurate, or semi-accurate information that would probably still be viable if it wasn't retconned.
I hate to agree with TIDF/Carnac anon, but that guy really didn't know what he was talking about. He said himself that he doesn't even like the Tau, so it's not exactly surprising.
Old, now-retconned lore for Tau warp drives, for those curious:
>Tau vessels already used a form of gravitic drive. This projected a sheath of gravitic energy ahead of and around the vessel which was continually re-projected further ahead, drawing the ship behind it rather like an archaic sail. For two hundred tau’cyr the Water Caste grappled with the problem only for the breakthrough to be handed to them.
>On the innermost of T’au seven’s moons a routine geological survey discovered the remains of an alien vessel. The significance of the find did not disrupt Tau society as much as might have been expected. Tau theorists had long reasoned that other life forms existed and the verification helped confirm the belief that there was a greater destiny awaiting them. No Tau commented on the sheer good fortune of finding the technology that they so desperately needed on their doorstep just when they needed it.
>The Tau were able to duplicate the warp drive of the alien ship but the initial test flights were disastrous. Achieving transition to the Warp required more than technology, it required psychically attuned minds and the Tau race boasted no psykers. Without them to guide the transition no amount of power could breach the dimensional barriers. The best the Tau could do was make a partial transition, forcing themselves into the void that separated Warpspace and real space before they were hurled out again like a ball held under water then released.
>>34480175 >Data gathered at great cost during the test flights was studied closely. The Water caste scientists made the observation that the boundary between real space and warp space was not a neat line. It was closer to being a turbulent ocean fomented by the tempestuous warp tides below. By carefully angling their descent toward the Warp and extending the field generated by the gravitic drive into a wing, shaped to hold the vessel down a Tau vessel could extend the duration of the dive considerably. The speeds achieved in the ascent back to real space were staggering and this coupled with the effect of the Warp on time and space ensured that the real distance covered by the dive was immense. Early tests lost several drone ships because they inadvertently passed far beyond the sensor range of their recovery vessels.
>The details were soon resolved. There was still a major constraint, only the most powerful (and bulky) drives could sustain the gravitic wing throughout the dive and the power drain meant that considerable recharge time was needed between dives. Also by comparison to actually navigating the warp the pace was still very slow. Taking typical Imperial Warp speeds the Tau drive was slower by a factor of five. The speed was consistent though, did not expose the Tau to the perils of the Warp and enabled the Tau to expand beyond their home star for the first time.
>>34480150 The Queen doesn't know what it does until it's used and tested. All the organisms it would test the gene on would turn out very poorly, and the blank field could potentially prevent the Hive Mind from being able to actually perceive the results of the test run, so it might try again just to see what the hell happened.
>>34480197 >Attempts to spawn blank batch of nids >No response >Tries again >Doesn't realise there's another reason and assumes it was just an unsuccessful batch >Queen now unknowingly pumping out a horde of aimless daemon-killing devourers.
That's a fancy bribe for making us attack the Orks / Heretics / Space Elves / Innumberable Chitin covered abominations / Our own People that have more numbers and better orbital capabilities, better supply train, and Bigger Guns, first and in-masse.
At least the Imperials were honest about it, and at least Las-rifles you could take a baneblade rolling over them and being perfectly fine, with these fiddly things you get it knocked out of your hand and you have to call Tech support.
>>34480175 >>34480190 That actually conflicts with Imperium fluff in that entering and exiting the warp is a completely mechanical process and that pskyers, in the form of Navigators, are only needed to guide ships in significant travels. Warp jumps of less than five light years can use cogitators to navigate a course.
>>34480840 Seems to me they should be more robust because they know how exactly their tech works and can replace it without a five day ritual to take out the broken part and another five day ritual to put in a new one.
>>34480738 >implying the Tau will admit that their ships can travel through space like Imperial ships >implying the Tau will admit that their ships are based on a crashed Imperial ship >implying the Tau will admit that the first warp travel the Tau undertook resulted in THIS IS A GOOD PAIN - BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE
The Tau can't win 40k, it is actually impossible for them to win.
There are at least hundreds of other Minor-Xenos, and that is what the Tau are, MINOR XENOS empires out there in Imperial space, and more outside Imperial space, that make the Tau look like a cosmic joke, that have advanced enough Technology to make the Imperium say "Fuck it, they aren't expanding and don't intend to expand, Fuck it"
The Tau are not hot shit, they aren't even really a threat, the Dark Eldar are more of a threat and those fucks are just Raiders.
>>34480675 >Da'Ve, I know you're just going to call me a faggot again, but you need to speak to the quartermaster about a new set of armor. I get that he stole your girl back in boot camp, but for fuck's sake your armor's shot to shit and barely holding together. >Faggot.
>>34480870 >‘I am Gue’vesa Dal’yth O’Va’Dem.’ Tall, noble of features, a sure and steady gaze. He wears dazzling white armour of form-fitting plates, a high gorget covering the lower portion of his face. Upon his forehead is branded the adorned I of the Emperor’s Inquisition.
>‘I was once Inquisitor Lucien van Deem. You may use that name, if you wish. It is long since I spoke with an adept of the stars,’ he says. He is weighing my fate, this arch-traitor, but there is no hostility in his face. ‘I apologise for this conflict.’
-From Damocles (Broken Sword)
Then anon was a moron.
Anyways, in the other part of novel an Ultrmarine squad gets screwed over when an Inquisitorial agent betrays them and blasts one of their members face off for the Greater Good.
>>34480731 Come on, can't you see on what you're living on? endless bureaucracy, no personal life unless you're on the upper echelons of society, constant fear of being accused by anyone, eating disgusting artificial grub, praying to an undead 'god'... it's not a life worth living!
>That's a fancy bribe for making us attack the Orks / Heretics / Space Elves / Innumberable Chitin covered abominations / Our own People that have more numbers and better orbital capabilities, better supply train, and Bigger Guns, first and in-masse.
>>34480812 Now THIS is a wise man. He lacks confidence in the long-term Tau plan, but he will see the truth in time.
>>34480870 Have your never heard about the Inquisitor that went to the Greater Good and pilots a Battlesuit?
>>34480978 They will would provide the Tau with crucial information and intel about the Imperium and its struggles and the dangers that lurk in the stars. He says that the Tau know many things about the Imperium and including the Horus Hersey.
>And Ordo Xenos henchmen that end up mindcontrolled weren't very good at their job anyway.
The Inquisitor and his pals came up with a plan that screwed over the Imperial war efforts and intelligence gathering. They seem to be doing their jobs fine.
>>34481061 Ordos Xenos fight heretics and Xenos if they stumble upon them and would have a idea on what they are and they would pass it to the Tau. Also their knowledge about dealing with Xenos cults and Xenos psykers would benefit the Tau when dealing with Chaotic based cults.
HOW FUCKING DIFFICULT IS IT FOR YOU TO GET IT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING SKULL THAT THE VARIOUS ORDERS WITHIN THE INQUISITION HARDLY EVER COOPERATE AND CERTAINLY DON'T SHARE INFORMATION BEYOND "Xenos r bad." "Heretics r bad." and "Chaos r bad."!?
>>34481129 The Deathwatch and Ordos Xenos have encounters with Daemons and heretics in their work and would have at the very least working knowledge on what they are and how to fight them. Not the extent of other Ordos but it's still valuable information!
>>34481272 ''These kinds of inquisitors don't end up betraying the Imperium for the Tau or get mindcontrolled''
You're just making assumptions based on nothing. How do you know an Inquisitor of that kind won't be broken by the mindworms, when a captured Space Marine with all his conditioning and willpower struggled to keep them out of his mind? He is only human.
>>34480738 It's always annoyed me that they couldn't find a "Tau" way of travelling at light speed that doesn't use the warp. They could have made things really interesting having them go in a completely different direction.
But no, everyone has units analogous to each other. Every army has a dreadnought variant, or a chainsword/power-sword variant or shields or plasma or whatever.
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