>Same Day, Different Thread
Part IV Archive: https://4archive.org/tg/thread/38856003
Invasion of prey-world II (Oceanic Biome) Day 7:
Commenced orbital spore bombardment of prey-vessel in the Polar North. Void shield generators were activated in response, rendering the attack ineffective. Counter-fire received by surface-to-orbit melta torpedoes. Damage inflicted was non-threatening but forced a retreat, as sustained fire on the lower carapace could become lethal given enough time.
Feeding broods have multiplied exponentially. Capillary spires now emerging from the ocean floor.
Detecting psychic disturbances from two locations: One centered on the Warp-world, another at the system's edge.
This one had a flight of fancy, a consideration that isnt very relevant -right now- but may become so later.
The gestation of 'challenger' strain hive ships.
We produce a vastly immature ship, sustaining a largely empty, but very large and intimidating outer crusts. The purpose of these vessels being the production of attractive targets to draw enemy fire at substantially smaller biomatter cost than fully fledged hive ship.
Reverse preference from this synapse.
Understood. Predicted effectiveness of such?
Biovores can sustain bombardment, potentially overwhelming void shields.
...feasibility of crashing a drone-ship into escort husk and disgorging broods into prey-nest to overwhelm?
Request relative location of disturbance at system edge compared to Warp-world and hive fleet.
>Detecting psychic disturbances from two locations: One centered on the Warp-world, another at the system's edge.
we finally dispatched our second OHS to scout or is near the ocean world?
how much time until feeding can start from high orbit?
How much time until we can give birth to new krakens for void combat?
Suggest attempt to establish spore mine perimeter around prey nest using either harpy or biovore deployment.
Do we have sufficient psykers to monitor both disturbances? Do we have monitoring in place to determine if the disturbance is affecting the material world?
If not both should be a priority.
The Norn Queen is elated at this suggestion!
However, turning to more immediate matters:
- Exo-sensory stimuli indicate the arrival of a prey-fleet at the edge of the system. The vanguard drone can be mobilized to investigate.
- Broodlords within the Polar North region have noticed a growing psychic disturbance triggered by the activation of the prey-vessel husks void shielding. It is possible they were emitting a sort of psychic defense to repress the immaterium that has now been deactivated.
We have some good news, and much bad. We have confirmed the Vessel still has weapons, and that it currently has operational void shields. Those shields however do not appear to be always active. They must be brought up as a threat appears.
Perhaps another undergound attack, this one from burrowing Trygon primes? They can marshal aquatic hormagaunt swarms that have been present to lead them in battle. Perhaps an attack led by challenger primes while doing so on land to draw enemy defenders away.
The news of psychic disturbances is worrying. Suspect prey fleet has arrived to reinforce enemy on the ground. Possible other disturbance on warp world is reinforcing predators. Possibility that we may not be able to consume all of Oceanic world without being caught in conflict brewing.
Possibility of seeding world with Trygon primes and leaving them during conflict, to return at later date once conflict has finished to finish meal.
Biovores can sustain bombardment yes, but remember that our enemies can strike -anywhere- on the northern pole. our artillery strains would be torn to pieces 5 minutes into the bombardment.
Mobilize a vanguard drone asap. Priority is given to be undetected
biovores can, again, serve as lure for the enemies then, giving our forces a chance to slain some and aquire information
>how much time until feeding can start from high orbit?
Weeks. We will be engaged before that time, and feeding from the capillary towers would leave the Hive Ships vulnerable to space-borne attacks.
>How much time until we can give birth to new krakens for void combat?
Not until sufficient biomass is harvested.
>Possibility of seeding world with Trygon primes and leaving them during conflict, to return at later date once conflict has finished to finish meal.
This is a viable strategy.
let us be conservative with our biomatter then. the emergent fleet may engage immaterial predators instead of us. Should the fleet be of substantial size, -and- targeting us, we can entertain the notion of making a speedy getaway. while leaving forces behind to continue subjugation of world in our absense.
>they're Tyrannocytes now
Both of our Offspring remain near us.
The answer to the last question is easy: too long.
Only if we were not intelligent about doing so. What would make for better bait than that?
Suggest deploying small numbers of Zoanthropes innocuously to attempt to determine form of psychic disturbance.
Feasibility of Mawloc variant strain capable of creating tunnels filled with pressurized water that can burst out from the ground at specified locations, or soften and weaken ground, combined with Mawloc swallowing/sucking in large portions of such areas before spewing out again?
>Charybdis Mawloc, sorta
>Request relative location of disturbance at system edge compared to Warp-world and hive fleet.
Geometric imprint disseminated.
>Suggest deploying small numbers of Zoanthropes innocuously to attempt to determine form of psychic disturbance.
>Feasibility of Mawloc variant strain capable of creating tunnels filled with pressurized water that can burst out from the ground at specified locations, or soften and weaken ground, combined with Mawloc swallowing/sucking in large portions of such areas before spewing out again?
Feasible. Would require only slight adaptation given that Mawlocs were already adapted to the aquatic environment. Will take some time, however.
I thought Sporocysts were air drainers, and Tyrannocyte were transports, When did they change that?
We do not believe our fleet is able to sustain combat between both of these forces, perhaps we should abandon until both factions were each-other out then return for bio matter consumption
>What would make for better bait than that?
Aah yes, we misinterpreted your intentions. Ambushing is something this synapse can always get behind.
judging by prey-fleet impact site, we estimate that it is unlikely that they are targeting anything but the 'deamon' fleet. let us remember; the enemy must have called for help BEFORE our arrival to the system. the prey fleet is likely completely unaware of our presence (and may blame the shadow in the warp on the immaterial prey beings initially). if we silence the enemies on this world before they arrive, they will never know until it is too late.
Harmonic synapse confronted with two options. Either spread bio ships around the planet to avoid detection until both prey fleets start combat or focus positioning around hive ship in advance for possible combat.
Leaving, unless forces are overwhelming is unwise because then our existence will be known and then we can become the hunted
Deploy any remaining Hive Tyrants, Trygon Primes to planet surface. Mission: Defend capillary towers.
Move Hive fleet to asteroids, attempt to evade both fleets. They may find each other before they find us.
Unfortunate. heading to home nest and exterminating the growing prey while their defenders are away appealed to this synapse.
Support this synapse's assessment. We must kill the prey on our planet now, before they can call for proper support.
As we noted earlier; it is likely the incoming fleet is unaware of our presence, if we put priority into destruction of remaining resistance on this world, it is likely they will pass us by completely, at which point we can fall on them and the immaterial prey organisms while they are weak.
Unless we destroy the canned prey communication ability the prey fleet will know everything the canned prey know about us. Likely our position.
Agree with this synapse
errr whoops was thinking of somehting else
It serves a dual purpose. Bait or bombardment, both are useful.
When Norn Queen is able to, this would be recommended by this synapse.
This synapse would like to note that moving away from Ocean World is likely to end poorly, as this will likely result in being spotted more quickly. Remain in position around Ocean World, but remain inconspicuous. Do not deploy Vanguard Drone to watch; we wish to remain hidden for the time being. If nothing else, we can be reasonably certain they will engage the predator fleet before ours.
This is a reasonable and excellent idea. Suggestions for how to go about doing so?
Repeat query as to feasibility of drone-ship sacrifice to land on prey-nest.
>Shadow in the Warp
Reminder that non-psychic methods of communication are still possible within the Shadow, though they usually suffer from climate interference due to tyrannoformation.
Droneships are not designed to be used as orbital bombardment ammunition. Will likely burn up in the atmosphere and result in a rain of incinerated flesh.
>Suggestions for how to go about doing so?
the only strategy we havent attempted so far; overwhelming numbers and full-scale warfare.
we surround them completely, and launch a massive assault from all angles. when the prey prepares to defend themselves, our pre-planned tunnelers will erupt behind them and force them into the mass of our blades.
we would normally advocate caution, but if this is to work time is of the essence.
The gestalt would like to draw attention to the irony of Preservation Synapse suggesting the most extremely Aggressive approach.
Synaptic consensus for massed wave assault of the Polar North?
Perhaps it is time to deploy ship borne specialists? we have a number of hive tyrants aboard the queen ship. deploying them now would almost certainly overwhelm the enemy.
Aggression and Preservation are not mutually exclusive by any means.
This synapse suggests we collapse their nests and initiate bombardment of their husk shortly before assault, accompanied by use of Challenger strains in assault force, and forces ready to ambush psychic prey that attempt to attack Biovores/Challenger Strains.
Deploy several Hive Tyrants to aid in the attack, and Zoanthropes to assist in protecting from psychic assault by prey.
Reminder that biomass is not the only consideration - complex synaptic and psychic strains take a long time to reconstitute. Deploying 'everything' may be inadvisable if the suggestion was meant to be taken literally.
How much time do we have until the sun is not between us and prey fleet?
we need to destroy prey on planet asap at any -non void capable- cost
>Reminder that non-psychic methods of communication are still possible within the Shadow, though they usually suffer from climate interference due to tyrannoformation.
it seems Gestalt have new information about how prey ships function.
Thought: Fill northen atmosphere with spores in order to block possible communication through non phychic methods
Hive consensus is to destroy remaining prey, suggestion: Employ simplest possible tactics. Attack everywhere possible, with everything possible in the shortest possible span of time. This type of prey is adept at maneuver counter attack, and strategem. Do not give them a strategy they can adapt to or counter.
>Thought: Fill northen atmosphere with spores in order to block possible communication through non phychic methods
Supported, and can be done in tandem with the mycetic assault on the husk vessel.
This Synapse proposes using perhaps 40% of available Zoanthropes and 30-50% of available Hive Tyrants.
Massive spore mine bombardment by Offspring Hive Ship prior to assault also recommended, to suppress enemy forces.
We are in agreement with these stratagems.
Keep any remaining tyrants and zoanthropes (we have maleceptors at this point right?) ready for mycetic launch should the attack need strategic reinforcement.
This synapse will hold off on saying 'told you so', but rest assured, it is thinking of it very loudly.
This synapse submits the following logic for consideration.
1. Preservation of forces, especially ships, is of the highest priority.
2. Prey-things *on planet* have a weapon capable ship, with void shields also active.
3. There are two hostile fleets present, at least one of which is most likely aware of our presence.
We have two options therefore.
1. Assault Polar North prey-things with an all-out assault, incur massive causalities and overwhelm them with sheer numbers. Given their ability to inflict losses, this would be rather risky, especially given the presence of a fleet.
2. Withdraw from the planet, and attempt to let the two hostile fleets engage one another. Then, we engage the victor.
This synapse suggests a temporary retreat from the planet. The prey-things are clearly not leaving the Polar North, and it is inadvisable for us to be stuck with nowhere to go.
Remember synapse-fellows: sometimes we must take a step back to make two forwards.
Opposed; a lack of strategy is still a strategy. And indeed it is a far worse one for it's inability to be adapted, it's waste, and it's ability to be adapted to by prey.
If Preservation Synapse will recall, it typically takes at least two worlds to develop psychic strains.
Duly. Noted. However, Hive Mind has already reached a consensus while Speed Synapse was...delayed...in it's response impulses.
Screen all important synaptic creatures with vanguard-based challenger strains.
if our enemy believes this to be their last stand, they may overextend in their eagerness to cause permanent casualties to us, challenger strains will absorb this agression.
The synapse is aware that its advice has come too late to affect the decision of the Hive Mind.
The synapse, ironically, was too slow in considering all of the information in our possession.
And if our assault fails? We will be left with precious few combat-forms, and a hostile fleet on our tail. We would be malnourished and be discovered.
This synapse cannot affect the decision, but it urges its fellow synapses to consider possible negative consequences of their decisions.
Invasion of prey-world II (Oceanic Biome) Day 9:
All-out assault unleashed on the Polar North.
Hive Tyrants led swarms of Gauntii and Carnifexii head on into combat, winged bioforms rained spore mines and barbed symbiote weaponry onto the enemy position, Raveners overran static positions and Trygons burst from the ice, opening beachheads for Genestealers to pour through in the rear flanks.
The prey-things committed to a fighting retreat, falling back as each position was breached, focussing their efforts on the largest beasts and the brightly patterned 'challenger' Primes, to little avail. Though their weapons were deadly and could cut down the Carnifexes as easily Gaunts, and though their psychic powers inflicted devastating damage on the vast swarms without suffering from drought of ammo... it was not enough.
They vanished into the immaterium.
Their husk-vessel was overrun, its void shields annihilated by the psychic blasts of Zoanthropes, then the bulkheads pried apart and scattered across the tundra to be trampled by clawed hooves and dissolved by digestive acids.
This synapse is somewhat shocked by the willingness of so many other synapses to fall back from the planet we are about to consume.
We will not be using every single assault organism in our arsenal. We will scarcely be scratching the numbers, even in the event of failure. Speed Synapse rushes to assumptions and conclusions without reason, assuming the worst possible scenario, when it should know better than any other synapse save this one; there is no reward without risk.
The enemy fleets are of unknown magnitude. If we can win, then we will win. If we cannot it is better to have a controlled retreat to a new source of biomass than a headlong flight into the unknown.
...psychic disturbances on the Warp-world began to 'synchronize' with the similar disturbances centered around the prey-vessel. By the time the Zoanthropes were able to pin-point its geometric focus, it was too late. In the massive devastation unleashed on the vessel-husk, a prey-construct artefact was damaged within the husks containment bay.
Reality has been breached. Immaterial predators are pouring through, led by a particularly massive 'strain'.
Luckily due to the presence of Hive Tyrants amongst our ground composition, it was quickly realized our current forces were ineffective against it and the swarms were able to withdraw through the Trygon tunnels.
Information is never to be scorned.
To retreat when it is far from necessary is, however. That is the action of prey, not predator.
Were we able to obtain any genetic material whatsoever?
we were not expecting this...turn of events.
hmm. we will require time to deliberate on this.
did we manage to save any of the genetic material indeed?
...That is much worse than merely detonating the vessel. Much, much worse.
Commendable performance by our Hive Tyrants. Now we must question if we wish to close this breach, or perform another fighting stalemate while our hive ships collect whatever biomass we can.
This synapse would like to point out that its assumptions from before were accurate.
Put simply, we can always return to the world. As we've observed, the prey-things on the Polar North can't leave their nest. It is safer for our enemies to fight each other and be weakened, than to fight a force of unknown strength.
There is reward in risk. But there is no reward in hurtling ourselves claw-first into oblivion.
This synapse will not say it told you so.
But it is again thinking it very loudly.
Gestalt, what is the location of the prey-fleets?
This synapse...HEAVILY....suggests bombardment with spore mines, and deployment of Extended Solar Vane Offspring with Vanguard Drone and Kraken Drone to acquire material for orbital bombardment.
>WE WILL EXTERMINATUS YOU
Visual imprint of strain requested.
Remaining psychic bioforms available?
Possibility of closing immaterium breach and means of doing so?
>this synapse will not tell you to shut up
>it will only think it loudly
This action would have happened once we assaulted the prey regardless, and no synapse had any way of predicting this result.
Speed Synapse's assumptions were not accurate. No synapses were.
>Were we able to obtain any genetic material whatsoever?
>did we manage to save any of the genetic material indeed?
Unfortunately not. The prey-things were very particular about collecting the bodies of their fallen as they fell back, and those they couldn't get to are now within the radius of the immaterial breach, which none of our strains save Zoanthropes can safely move within. Our Hive Fleet is too small for the Shadow to effectively stifle it.
>Identify this Massive Strain at once!
Immaterial 'organisms' defy our attempts at proper classification as they contain no genetic material and exhibit bizarre behaviours.
Are visual imprints available?
Hmmm...Maleceptors may have been useful for isolating and obtaining such genetic material. This will have to be kept in mind in the future.
This synapse reminds aggression synapse that stealth is currenty a primary objetive. Disagree wirh orbital bombardment and query again for viability of carving to the core like previously noted by norn queen
>Gestalt, what is the location of the prey-fleets?
Synaptic consensus maintained that the vanguard drone should remain within orbit and not venture forth for risk of discovery. We do not have visual on the prey-fleet, we only know their emergent location due to the warp-wake that emitted from their entry into realspace.
did we atleast manage a visual imprint of leader strain?
when can feeding commence?
provided it can be done in a way that does not reveal our presence to the incoming prey-fleet.
this may endanger remaining biomatter on-world.
Stealth was a primary objective.
Immaterial Predators are capable of overwhelming Shadow in the Warp.
Predator fleet likely to have already been alerted. Prey fleet likely to engage predator fleet even in event of discovery. Retaining world to regain biomass priority.
>tfw the assault summoned a demon prince
Perhaps speed was correct need to find a nice unguarded place to replenish our forces defeating the Immaterial will take precious bio-matter.
Assumption: Stealth was most probably compromised when we ripped a hole in reality.
Suggestion: Figure out who and what will be attacking us next, and if we have the forces available to fight it.
Concur. Dropping rocks from space has proved an effective solution. It may help resolve this situation.
>Are visual imprints available?
>Ok, feasibility of magma-bury that huge threat as soon as possible?
The Norn Queen supports this plan.
unfortunately, harmonic synapse, we have very few ways of dealing with this issue effectively.
maybe the rift will diminish over time, if it continues to grow, this world may become more trouble than its worth...
atleast we managed to salvage that algae strain from the oceans, correct gestalt?
very well, lets give the queens plan a shot then.
Synapse-fellows, whether any assumptions were correct is immaterial. The situation requires our full attention. Our priorities are now to repair this breach, or at least seal it.
Gestalt, does the Norn Queen have any suggestions on how this breach can be fixed? Or at least, sealed? And does this breach in the immaterium appear to be growing, if so, how quickly?
>atleast we managed to salvage that algae strain from the oceans, correct gestalt?
Only once capillary feeding begins.
This is likely to take another few weeks and will even then require atmospheric descent if we do not wish to wait longer.
No place will be completely unguarded, and attempts to travel to a new system will likely make our situation worse...
Aerial beast...with powerful psychic capabilities?
Concur; sinking north polar continent seems to be the best plan at this point, until orbital bombardment can commence.
Priority should be placed on biomatter consumption, actually; if we can attain a large enough fleet mass, our Shadow may stifle the rift. This synapse can think of no other way to do so.
In the meantime, engage predators only enough to keep them from advancing.
Also query for narwhal scanning nearby sistems for a viable route of scape. Suggest using of atleast one drone to scout. Even if it will take some time its better to start now than later
I strongly disagree with low orbital feeding while those dangers are nearby.
Both can prepared, but both will take time. The Kraken must forage for suitable debris to be dropped. The Norn Queen must begin reconstituting the magma corer strain and then deploy them to the surface, and then it will take a number of days for the magma corers to reach the mantle.
We do have limited Maleceptors aboard the Queen Hive Ship. They may provide the best defense and perhaps best offense as well against the immaterial entities, especially if paired with Zoanthrope broods for increased psychic resonance.
Gestalt, does the Norn Queen have any suggestions on how this breach can be fixed? Or at least, sealed? And does this breach in the immaterium appear to be growing, if so, how quickly?
No available data on sealing the breach. It appears to be growing, but slowly.
>Also query for narwhal scanning nearby sistems for a viable route of scape. Suggest using of atleast one drone to scout. Even if it will take some time its better to start now than later
Can be done, but will require one of the Hive Ships accompany the narvhal to the system's edge. Gravimetric scans are disrupted by the presence of a large gravity well so close to the narvhal - it cannot initiate it whilst in orbit.
>appear to be growing
Perhaps the massive enemy leader is connected to the breach?, We do not know perhaps slaying it will stop the breach this is just a shot in the dark, we have no valid information on this.
Deploy our remaining maleceptors, if we lose the planet we will be easily destroyed.
Suggestions: Deploy psychic strains to establish a perimeter, commence magma corer and orbital bombardment, deploy vanguard drones to scout system.
Repeat: Stealth is most likely compromised by rift in reality. We need to know disposition of void forces.
we can deploy psychic broods should immaterial presence start encroaching on feeding operations, but always to just stiffle agression, and forces MUST pull back if enemy leader strain shows itself.
Must agree with Hunger Synapse. It is better to know if enemy is approaching, at this point, than to hide. this breach will almost certainly have been noticed by one side, if not both.
Disagree with using drone. Need to keep all available biomatter near us at this time.
Both should be prepped.
>Damnit we had to use magma corers
>Our special snowflake value has gone down
Deploy Maleceptors with Zoanthrope Broods near/under command of Hive Tyrants with suitable support strains to assist in combating predators.
Preservation Synapse's foresight in prepping psychic strains is to be commended.
Once Magma Corers have been reconsituted, suggest possibility of extremely powerful psyker organism, on par with bio-titans or, less extremely, Hive-Tyrants in terms of ability and prowess.
For the time being, the Maleceptors and Zoanthropes should be used to contain the immaterial entities. This synapse worries of course on how many will be lost in attempting to contain a situation that will only get worse.
>No available data on sealing the breach.
As the rift is most likely immaterial, will orbital bombardment be enough to destroy it, or halt its growth? This synapse supports Hungers suggestion on Magma Corers and bombardment.
At the very least, we will be buying time.
The breach seems to have attracted the attention of the immaterial predator fleet. They are en route.
Deploying Maleceptors and remaining Zoanthrope broods to contain the breach perimeter.
Foresight is a speciality of this synapse.
(dont worry, we will always have challenger strains)
let us proceed with both magma corers and orbital bombardment.
one of two things are likely to happen now;
The predator fleet engages us. tactical assesment at that time will determine course of action.
Or, the predator fleet is engaging the other prey fleet (which would have been outside of our view)
in which case we probably have a few more weeks.
Side question for gestalt; would combat-ready forms of malanthropes be possible to ensure obtaining valuable genetic material for future confrontations with prey?
Request Gestalt estimate; will Kraken be able to find debris to bombard surface with before predator fleet arrives?
If not, keep kraken with fleet and prepare for combat; begin gestation of void-organisms and ensure bio-munitions stores are full. The Hive Fleet can utilize the Predator fleet's remains to bombard the world.
Counter productive; all mass on ocean world likely to be lost, without means of replenishing, in addition to risk of being forced to fight predator fleet ayway.
Doubting that fleet is engaged with prey fleet. Also remind that predator fleet is composed of overwhelming forces compared to us
We are in very low numbers. There Are more worlds to feed on. We cannot feed drifting lifeless in the void
Time to arrival estimated ~10 days. Composition unknown without mobilizing vanguard drone.
Invasion of prey-world II (Oceanic Biome) Day 11:
Packs of noisy, fast-moving, hovering immaterial creatures have begun to harass our broods around the Northern hemisphere, appearing at random and occasionally accompanied by some sort of leader-strain that is able to collapse gates in the materium to conjure reinforcements. Weapons fire ineffective. Close combat organisms to slow to pursue.
Norn Queen is recovering the magma corer genome.
Kraken ship requires synaptic accompaniment to forage for debris for orbital assault. Require selection from amongst the fleets three Hive Ships. Likewise a similar selection will need to be made if we wish to bring the narvhal to the system's edge.
...no, the predator fleet is not. It is primarily composed of battlecruisers and a very few escorts, compared to our half dozen escorts, two cruiser-class bioships, and titan-class Queen.
Solar Vane Offspring would accompany, due to increased speed, if we decide to not keep Kraken with us.
Deploy flying strains, and utilize Flying Hive Tyrants to assist in small scale tactical and strategic planning.
Additionally, aquatic Raveners for speed suggested.
Deploy Vanguard Drone to scout deployment of system. We are already discovered.
Do not disperse our void forces until we know what we are facing.
Can we manufacture additional Zoanthropes?
predator fleet outnumbers us vessel to vessel, but the quality of our average hive ship is much higher.
we are likely to need all void capable forces. keep both the kraken and all hive ships. (unless our estimation is right, and the secondary prey fleet intercepts them)
Yes. Malanthropes are indeed already combat-capable. This lack can be corrected in future ground-swarm compositions.
>Request Gestalt estimate; will Kraken be able to find debris to bombard surface with before predator fleet arrives?
Likely, but not definite.
This is one frustration after another. Do we have any winged hive tyrants near the northern hemisphere? if not, this synapse suggests ranged shrikes and gargoyles.
As to fleet based actions, recommend deploying Vanguard drone. if the enemy received reinforcements through the warp, now would be the time to know, before they arrive to battle us.
You mean two light cruisers, some light scouts and a battleship sized hive ship with roughly same firepower as a single battlecruiser. Also predator force is more numerous.
Its not. 3 capital ships vs more than 5
Not in any reasonable amount of time. Psychic strains take long periods of time to gestate.
From where does this information come? There is no basis for much of that information, nor is there reason to doubt quality of Queen Ship. So long as we engage them intelligently, we will be victorious. The true threat will lie in the prey fleet, but at least they contain biomass, and they may focus on the immaterial tainted world first instead. Assumptions do not help the hive mind.
This information come from previous analysis when we first entered system. Even if we are victorious, which this synapse doubts, attention will be draft upon us from prey fleet and we will be doomed. This synapse call for evacuation as soon as possible
Vanguard drone mobilized.
>Do we have any winged hive tyrants near the northern hemisphere? if not, this synapse suggests ranged shrikes and gargoyles.
They can be re-routed, yes.
The Queen Hive Ship is more than three times the size of the largest prey-Battleship, and that's only measuring length, not overall mass.
It is true that our other ships are quite small and vulnerable though.
Three battlecruisers. Not five.
In any case, our Offspring Hive Ships are still comparable in size and strength to their battlecruisers, in all likelihood, and the Queen is large enough to shield vessels that need to be shielded until optimal engagement range is reached. Spore clouds can also be overlapped to provide even greater coverage.
Alright, misscalculated queen hive ship, but still we are outweighted in firepower, and thats only counting prey fleet. In order to the survival of the hive this synapse wants to reiterate its idea if retreating while we can. Will not bring this issue again in this encouter if ither synapses disagrees
Analysis: We are either stronger than both prey fleets; stronger than one prey fleet but not both; or weaker than both prey fleet. Vanguard drone will give us information to make informed judgement. In first case: Fight. In second case: Evade, and attempt to have prey fleets fight each other. In final case: Run.
Suggestion: Keep fleet massed; delay orbital bombardment until tactical analysis can be completed. Dispersing fleet weakens it. Increases chances we will be unable to hold position and attempt magma strike.
This synapse wishes to see what the Vanguard drone spots first. This might determine whether the enemy is something we should run from. For all we know, the enemy fleet has split itself to engage the prey fleet and we can easily defeat them.
Support holding all our ships back and waiting for information from Vanguard drone first.
Firepower means little in comparison to crushing claws. We close to short range and tear them apart. They may not have deployed all of their vessels, as well. The debris makes it hard to tell.
We have wasted much of our bio-matter on this world, retreating we would lost all of it, and our fleet would be depleted of biomatter and all our strains we used upon this world.
how outwieghed we are in firepower depends entirely on how effective our hullborers prove themselves to be, as a single direct hit could theoretically take out an entire battlecruiser.
>hivemind speed genestealer, you are our only hope now.
Making an informed decision is always supported by this synapse.
Time to arrival estimated ~8 days. Composition determined by vanguard drone reconnaissance: 3 Battlecruiser class vessels, 2 Cruiser class vessels, 5 Frigate medium escort vessels, 2 Destroyer light escort vessels, 1 fleshy immaterial mass of indeterminate classification.
Invasion of prey-world II (Oceanic Biome) Day 13:
Our flying broods have engaged the opposition in numerous locations, able to drive them off occasionally but never winning an outright victory. Two winged Tyrants have fallen to sudden appearances of the massive leader-strain daemon. It appears to be moving in a very specific geometric pattern, and future engagements can be avoided by staying away from this path.
Vanguard drone is now seeking the prey-fleet.
Seed path with spore mines,
Possibility of psychically charged spore mines?
Otherwise, avoid path.
How is feeding coming along in other locations?
How well does the Gestalt believe we would fare in combat against the predator fleet?
Do we have enough biomass to gestate Decoy bioships?
Would it at some point be possible to create a specialized form of Vanguard Drone ship designed for combat and extreme stealth, utilizing a combination of Warp Shadow and lector-like carapace to reach enemy vessels without them realizing they were to be assaulted until it is too late?
How much biomass would be lost if we were to retreat?
this news is very worrying. Enemy is just powerful enough to possibly destroy our ships. We would have to start a running battle, using some mobility to keep ourselves from being ensnared.
This synapse supposes we will have to wait and see what prey fleet is doing.
As to surface battle, might be needed that our hive tyrants begin moving in groups to avoid being attacked again by leader strain demon. Avoiding the pattern might not be advisable however, it is doubtful he is doing such a pattern for enjoyment. perhaps and ambush in an attempt to kill him in this pattern?
Unlikely to be effective at this juncture; massed use of heavy bio-weapons and/or psychic organisms likely required.
However, if it is indeed a pattern...we can begin VERY extensive preparations for an ambush site...
Concur with passive traps for leader strain, otherwise avoid.
Comment: Biomass lost in retreat will be less than biomass lost if we are broken in orbit.
Suggestion: Immaterial predators and prey were fighting prior to our arrival. They may resume their fight upon our apparent retreat.
Fall back towards edge of system on a path that will take us past prey fleet. Leave standing orders for lifeforms on surface to continue defending. Turn again if it appears that engagement between predators and prey have sufficiently weakened both to allow us to fight.
>Seed path with spore mines,
Can be done.
>Possibility of psychically charged spore mines?
Utterly none. Psychic capability requires a large and complex brain, the opposite of the simple neural string spore mines bear.
>How is feeding coming along in other locations?
Going exceedingly well in the equatorial zone and lower hemisphere, but capillary tower growth is slow.
>How well does the Gestalt believe we would fare in combat against the predator fleet?
Depends entirely on tactical ability. The fleets are evenly matched in terms of raw power, with a slight edge to the enemy, but this can be overcome completely with a solid battle-plan and proper use of our bioships in the roles they are intended for.
>Do we have enough biomass to gestate Decoy bioships?
No, not without cannibalizing a dangerous amount of our terrestrial organisms in uteri.
>Would it at some point be possible to create a specialized form of Vanguard Drone ship designed for combat and extreme stealth, utilizing a combination of Warp Shadow and lector-like carapace to reach enemy vessels without them realizing they were to be assaulted until it is too late?
>How much biomass would be lost if we were to retreat?
More than a third of what we arrived with.
Even if we manage to win this combat, prey fleet will destroy us while we are damaged. There is little doubt that its not going to come to investigate void ombat in addition to rift to the immaterium. We hould flee. Recommendation towards cold system or otherwise closest system. Also, lack of troops lost in planet also means conservation of biomass not used in their maintenance
Even if we defeat the immaterium fleet, Prey will smash us in turn wiping out the hive fleet, As much as it displeases us to flee from prey, this seems like the best option as it does not lead to our imminent death.
where...where in the world is the prey fleet?
could they have circled around the sun, moving behind the oceanic world?
why would they do that?
did they never arrive to begin with?
Considered unlikely. They likely wish to make Ocean World into another tainted world; they likely function in a similar manner to the Hive Fleet, save with far less coordination and based in the immaterium, rather than the Void; as such, they likely have their own version of tyrannoformation, which is what the rift seems to be. As such, it seems likely they intend to simply attack us and leave, and more likely they wish to support the large strain of predator on the surface, which seems to be their equivalent of something between a bio-titan, a hive tyrant, and a swarmlord.
Disagree heavily. Unknown whether prey fleet even maintains course towards us; if they ignore us for long enough, we may be able to recover from damage. Losing over a third of starting biomass will be a massive blow.
This synapse meant in the sense of spore mines being charged by psychic organisms with psychic power, rather than psychic capabilities.
Again, there is no reason to believe prey fleet will immediately follow, nor do we have reason to believe they are anywhere near us in strength.
To elaborate further on our chances of victory:
Worst-case scenario, barring a catastrophic blunder, would see a pyrrhic victory in which the Queen Hive Ship is the sole survivor, and could then cannibalize carcasses of fallen bioships, with a 60-70% biomass recovery rate.
Best-case scenario: Enemy fleet annihilated with loss of one or two escort ships.
Likely it will fall between these extremes. Unknown result of the prey-fleet arrives and interferes.
Wish to express concern. at this juncture, the only positions prey fleet could be is at a point behind the sun, away from Vanguard drone's view. We must retreat on a path both away from the predator fleet, and away from the sun.
Possible they intended to collect stranded prey we slaughtered. their artifact might have been more valuable then direct engagement with predator fleet.
Analysis: Areas enclosed in white lines are areas where LOS from main fleet and Vanguard drone are likely blocked by stellar or planetary masses. Suggest hive fleet falls back through these sectors, avoiding asteroids, where prey fleet may be hiding.
Suggestion: Your analysis of predator behavior suggests the fleet will not attack the planet, but attack the fleet as it is the target that is running.
Projection: If the prey fleet considers the immaterial predators a greater threat, then we may yet salvage the aquatic world.
Unlikely. Entirely possible prey fleet is simply too far away for Vanguard Drone to see at this time, or is behind the predator world. This baseless fear writhing through the synaptic banks worries this synapse far more than any mere prey or predator fleet could. It seems very much like the behaviour we seek to inspire through our own tactics of deception. We must keep the momentum, lest we fall through an unwillingness to fight with tooth and claw.
While possible, neither scenario is helpful to us; either they attack us and we must fight anyway, having wasted the ability to set up positions and fight from a position of strength, or they maintain some semblance of discipline through whatever form of synapse they use, and begin assaulting our feeding world. In either case, we lose if we flee.
>This synapse meant in the sense of spore mines being charged by psychic organisms with psychic power, rather than psychic capabilities.
Beyond the psionic manipulation techniques of our psyker-organisms, unfortunately.
Vanguard reconnaissance updated.
>They are flanking us
We really should retreat, we are going to get smashed between both of them.
This speaks true. at this point, the cards are dealt.
We must be prepared to stand our ground.
we should begin discussing positioning and tactics.
does the vanguard drone have an estimate of prey fleet strength?
Vanguard Drone return to Hive fleet going around sun but remaining out of sight of prey fleet if possible.
This synapse actually recommends a very specific strategy. Hold a moment while the information disseminates. It does not entail simply holding our ground and fighting, for once.
Reiterate suggestion. Feigned retreat to draw immaterial predators into contact with material prey.
Query: Strength of material prey fleet relative to immaterial predator fleet? Likely outcome of engagement against prey fleet after best, worst, and median case scenario engagements with immaterial predator fleet?
Aggression Synapse is correct. This Synapse became fearful of losing our fleet like we lost over Ichar IV. This synapse will gather courage, and remember that even in worst case scenario Gestalt believes victory can occur.
We must prepare for battle. This synapse suggests keeping a position where prey fleet can not see us. we do not initiate the attack, and instead keep at a distance. Either Predator fleet attacks us, and exposes their throat in the attack, or they attempt to cleanse aquatic world, and we can attack when their back is turned.
Immaterial predator fleet time to arrival estimated ~6 days.
Prey fleet time to arrival estimated ~8-9 days.
Invasion of prey-world II (Oceanic Biome) Day 15:
The oceans around the growing breach in the Poalr North have begun transmuting into... blood. A much more nutrient rich material!
Unfortunately, feeding upon it has caused our feeder organisms to... dessicate and starve to death. The Hive Mind expresses great displeasure at the immaterial realm's physics-defying properties.
Further encounters with the leader strain have not occurred, however horned infantry have begun marching across the surface of the blood-ocean as though it were solid ground to attack our forces.
Here is what we do.
The prey fleet seems faster than the predator fleet, judging by distance covered in the time we've been aware of them. If we wait, they may come upon us at a similar time.
This is good.
We will retreat out of range of both of them just as they notice each other. The Predators will be distracted twofold by the ocean world and the true prey, and the prey will be likewise distracted by the tear in reality that they seem to have been brought in to prevent, based on the fact that the psychic prey called for them, and by the predator fleet themselves.
Once they are engaged in battle, presumably over the Oceanic world, we strike with everything. We cannot hold anything back at that point; we must annihilate them both, and use the debris to launch orbital bombardments onto the spatial rift area and hypothesized appearances of the greater predator strain.
A false retreat, at the last moment, followed by overwhelming aggression. That is the tactic of Hive Fleet Tsuchigumo.
>I unno seems like a good name.
In five days, begin retreat from world with appropriate orders left. 2 days after retreat begins, turn around and begin moving to attack once more.
It seems your nature is blinding. We are not mindless killing machines, but the devourers of sll living things. Our primary objetive is to feed and grow and we cant do that if we constantly lose everything we manage to gather. Until we are stronger we really should flee from battles we cannot win or we will lose too much to win.
We are so dead isnt even funny
>Did we ever getting around to deploying aquatic raveners, if so can we deploy them to engage the enemy's walking apon the blood?
It will be done, inciting the brood nests to focus on gestation of aquatic raveners.
Agressions, Feigned retreat seems like our only option to come out victorious, we concur with their plan, However we should see if we are able to deploy the magma vents in-time.
I concur with Aggression Synapse's suggestion of a feigned retreat to draw the two fleets into conflict.
Suggestion: Wait until after battle between the two has progressed to it's culminating point to launch the attack. Let them bleed each other as much as possible.
We concur. withdraw from prey world, let the lesser organisms weaken each other, then swoop in and clean up.
attempting to fight them one at a time is a death sentence.
Our primary objective is to feed. You suggest retreating entirely and allowing a full third of what we have managed to gather to rot and fester
and give new life....to Nurgle....rather than to risk loss that could be reconstituted and allow us to continue feeding.
Our primary objective is to grow. To grow, we must feed. To feed, we must eliminate threats to our feeding ground. The fastest way to eliminate such threats is via a campaign of aggression. Such is this synapse's role within the Hive Mind.
Regardless, this synapse formed a plan, confirmed in part by the gestalt's new information. This synapse believes it our best chance at retaining the most biomatter successfully.
It is unlikely we will be able to time it so perfectly, unfortunately.
Indeed; will they gestate in time to be deployed? And is there still sufficient ability to employ them, given the spread of the rift area?
Additionally, this synapse would request a synopsis of our current Fleet and capabilities over the aquatic world, in order to better plan target priorities and enable requisite hormones and pheromones within bioships.
Is it possible and feasible to mutate bioships to have more suitable bioweaponry with any speed and/or efficiency in biomatter use?
Attacking prematurely risks both fleets engaging us. Attacking late risks the survivors of the battle having a chance to regroup. The latter would be disadvantageous; the former, catastrophic.
Situation therefore favors caution over haste.
>will they gestate in time to be deployed? And is there still sufficient ability to employ them, given the spread of the rift area?
The genome has been recovered, but the embryos will not be matured in time to deploy the organisms before enemy fleet arrival. Tyrannic bioengineering is incredible, but cannot grow a 40-ton monstrous creature to full size in less than 6 days.
It is questionable whether or not they will be able to deploy in the Polar region by the time they are ready - however, they will still be able to heat the atmosphere sufficiently to cause the northern region to melt if they are deployed elsewhere.
>Additionally, this synapse would request a synopsis of our current Fleet and capabilities over the aquatic world, in order to better plan target priorities and enable requisite hormones and pheromones within bioships
Certainly. Disseminating genetic analysis.
Queen Hive Ship (QHS)
+ Prow hullborer cysts
- Ripper tentacles
- Broadside thorax pyro-acid batteries
- Thorax spore cysts
- Reinforced carapace
Offspring Hive Ship I (OHS I)
+ Prow hullborer cysts
- Crushing claws
- Bio-plasmic discharge
- Enhanced regeneration
Offspring Hive Ship II (OHS II)
+ Bio-plasmic discharge
- Ripper tentacles
- Bio-plasma spit
- Extended solar vanes
Ramsmiter Kraken I
+ Prow ramming beak (heavy front armour, effective melee/boarding adaptation against equal-larger class vessels)
- Grasping claws and tendrils (function like weaker crushing claws and ripper tentacles, but they are rear-facing rather than at the fore, allowing it to drag grappled objects behind)
- Kraken adaptations (faster than other bioships)
Stalker Drone-Ship I
+ Crushing claws
- Prow bio-plasma spit
- Drone spore cysts
Stalker Drone-Ships II & III
+ Crushing claws
- Reinforced carapace
- Drone spore cysts
Stalker Drone-Ships IV
+ Prow pyro-acid
- Reinforced carapace
- Drone spore cysts
>Is it possible and feasible to mutate bioships to have more suitable bioweaponry with any speed and/or efficiency in biomatter use?
Certain mutations are easier than others. Will require specific suggestions for feasibility.
Givin that the first combt will be with immaterial forces and then with prey forces, we are likely to be doomed because we will have casualties and wont be able to flee from faster from prey forces which might have anti capital weapons installed in escorts. Otherwise they wouldnt try to come to this system so heavily populated.
The loss of a single lesser hive ship will accout for nearly 25% of our biomass, and thats counting its not worse.
- Hullborer cysts (release space-faring transport worms which bore into the hulls of prey-vessels and release boarding organisms).
- Ripper tentacles (effective melee weaponry against smaller-sized class prey-vessels)
- Pyro-acid batteries (long-range artillery, effective against slow-moving prey-vessels, useless against smaller faster craft)
- Thorax spore cysts (generate mucolid mine clouds to act as anti-fighter/bomber and shielding)
- Drone spore cysts (spores produced by these are too small to do damage but function as concealment/shielding)
- Crushing claws (Melee weapon effective against equal-larger sized vessels)
- Bio-plasma spit (close-range high-damage attack, ignores shielding)
- Bio-plasmic discharge (close-range AoE attack, as above but weaker with better ability to hit small, fast craft)
To aid the hivemind in this stressful situation, we have dissiminated mental imprints from previously devoured species in kraken memory banks, and created a visual imprint we should find inspiring.
>hang in there tyrant
we will not fight the enemy fleets one at a time, if we are to follow agression synapses' sound plan, we fall back, and hope the other fleets collapse upon each other, at which point we strike!
Immaterial predator fleet time to arrival estimated ~2.5 days.
Prey fleet time to arrival estimated ~5 days.
Invasion of prey-world II (Oceanic Biome) Day 18:
Aquatic Ravener attacks successful in stalling the infantry approach. They have begun employing quadruped beasts to aid their assault, as well as brass artillery constructs. The aquatic environment has proven effective in negating the artillery, although it has begun to boil in areas, rendering them inhospitable to our forces. Future strains will be acclimatized to the extreme heat.
Caution before engaging, yes. Once engaged, we cannot give less than everything we have, however.
Theorized results on biosphere? Or rather, theorized negative results?
Additionally, to all synapses; following this engagement, this synapse suggests organizing void vessels into task groups
broods? swarms?based upon their strain and purpose for maximum effectiveness. Primary suggested broods would be Queen, Gouger, Spitter, Birther, and Burner.
Queen would contain the hardiest vessels, the non-combatants, and those most capable of protecting or assisting either whilst not fitting into the other four task broods.
Gouger would contain close-range drone-ships and bio-ships, assisted by bio-plasmic discharges by those ships armed similarly, and is meant to rip apart and board enemy vessels close. Typical tactics would have endurance-specialized vessels advancing to screen speed-specialized vessels until speed-specialized vessels could surge forth to entangle themselves, getting subsequently reinforced by endurance-specialized vessels.
Spitter would contain primarily bio-plasma vessels, meant to close to point blank range before coating with plasma. May be incorporated into Gouger against non-shield focused enemies.
Burner would contain long-range bombardment pyro-acid battery vessels, guided by Vanguard Drones to key targets to disable and cripple vessels considered priority targets.
Finally, Birther would contain Hullborer Cyst and Spore-Cyst vessels, serving to screen Burner and Queen with their spores, and simultaneously screen Gouger and Spitter as well as attack with such bio-organisms.
Obviously, composition of each could chance as necessary.
>Also no it won't
>It'll be like 15-20% depending on how you view 'our biomass'
>And we can recover a lot of that unless a warp implosion happens
>we're becoming hive fleet niddhoggr
>we'll become the sneaky version
if we are to follow agression synapse's plan, we should probably begin retreat now.
the rate at which immaterial influence is warping oceanic world is very troubling.
Suggestion: Begin retreat away from planet. We have encountered multiple uses of spatial distortion in combat. One or both fleets may be able to close distance with us quickly.
Agreed, if preparations to leave will take longer than a few hours.
As we have said; this is their own form of tyrannoformation, one we have not encountered yet. Once we find a way to deal with it, we will be able to in the future as well. After all, we cannot feed on them; they likely cannot feed on us.
This synapse understands that the Hive cannot feed if it is destroyed. It agrees with the plan of "false retreat" with constant monitoring of the other fleet action's in case modification of the "retreat/attack" plan is necessary
Then, due to the lack of long range weaponry we hace compared to close range, i suggest to form in the event of combat, a close formation with hullborer firing discarge after discarge and lesser organisms covered behind bigger ones. Once in close range, divert to engage close range aiming capital ships with stalkerships 2&3, kraken, queen hive ship and OHS 1, while others fend off scorts with short range fast firing weaponry.
Any chance for our planet organisms to form anti orbital weaponry? Maybe not for now but for future engagements can prove useful.
>sorry for lately writing like shit but moved to tablet and have some issues regarding imageboard interaction. Also is 8 AM here and ive not sleeped yet. Such is the life of a synapse
>Any chance for our planet organisms to form anti orbital weaponry? Maybe not for now but for future engagements can prove useful.
Yes, this could be looked into with future genetic acquisitions. Will likely require a bio-titan morphological template.
Alright, given the late time-frame, suggesting we go into cerebral stasis now. It has been a pleasure to work with/for the synaptic collective.
Next Friday at 1900 timestamp time (that's 7PM EST) we commence with the void battle. The gestalt will provide entity icons and astrocartographical maps for tactical maneuvers.
This Synapse suggests during assault that the Harmonic Synapse may be right on some counts; close formation charging into the midst of combat, utilizing the defensive capabilities of the Queen Ship to shield and screen lesser vessels, while hullborer cysts and pyro-acid batteries attack enemy vessels seen as difficult or unlikely to be damaged without prior damage in close quarters, allowing bio-plasmic discharge to deal with light vessels, and spit to deal with extremely heavy ones, whilst the fleet closes to melee and begins to tear apart the enemy vessels.
>Only 12:30 AM here
>Synapse only tired, not exhausted
On the contrary, it seems we retreated at exactly the right time.
Are we maintaining contact with Hive Tyrants and other complex synaptic creatures on planet? Or is there interference?
i am on central european time, which is like an hour ahead of greenwich main time, and gestalt usually comes online 01:30~.
so half past midnight for you i believe.