Welcome to A Song of Revenge and Gold: House Malroy Quest. In which you take the reins of a House of storied glorious past since Aegon’s Conquering, but whose fortunes have taken a turn for the worse in the doom that Robert’s Rebellion brought. Taking place in 284AC a year after the Rebellion has ended you are Brynden Malroy, second son to Lord Vamos Malroy and Lady Esemella Hayford and the last living heir to Steadhold and House Malroy.
House Malroy is a pre-genned House designed around the idea of a story within the Crownlands of a House fiercely loyal to the Targaryens and their attempts to live in this new world after Robert’s Rebellion. The new Lord Brynden Malroy is as well pre-genned but will take direction from the players in his ways and how he develops himself further. This Quest will be moderately more story driven than others of its kind, but the development of the House and her lands will take just as much importance.
If you’ve played the one of the many Quests within the ASoIaF setting the rules of the SIFRP system should be known. I will be using the Game of Thrones edition, as well as a few of the expansions namely OOSP and a few house rules which will be explained as we come to them. If you have questions about how things work or why certain actions are taken I can explain them as we go along. In truth this is a learning experience for me as well.
Brynden's CharSheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15t70f-uSAGgm9tFSADoJfgfhcQwaAHKMSEVeTTIhkho/edit?usp=sharing
House Malroy Stats:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ok_UzOYKm6XyIPb4Gs6xNyiL3IPXCl1CFBS9CBpAC4g/edit?usp=sharing
House Malroy History, Holdings, and Household: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MB1FAoklpIRj8rCyY6rHCDcmTIASW3Vcl4caxJDy9-E/edit?usp=sharing
And now without further ado.
The fires in Steadhold’s hearths burnt fiercely, attempting to combat the chill another summer storm had brought in. You stop a moment, your monthly ritual of clearing the great hall with a step interrupted by a thought. Emerald flame reflects in your eyes as you stare into the fire, it crackles and bites into a fresh log fed by one of your servants. The past month had brought so much, you had not thought to return from King’s Landing with the weight of gold burdening your caravan. The trip home had been slowed by the carefulness Dontos had shown, he did not wish to bring undue attention to yourselves, despite the Goldroad being safe the majority of the time. It was an easy trip, until the storm had landed and near drenched you the entire rest of the way home. The Storms Gods come bore witness to the marriage of the King they spoke of, as if a monsoon was a sign of favor. By the time you had made it home the Blackwater Rush had begun to overflow, Steadhold’s moat was a mess of muddy water and debris and the bridge your castle watched over had a bum support and threatened to crumble. You had immediately had to put your builders to work, constructing supports and a scaffolding around the support, and pray to the Seven for reprival.
“Brynden?” Mason’s voice catches your ear and you turn to your old friend. The Knight had healed well enough from the Melee, but he had a new scar above his old one, looking like a one eyed monster with a terrifying grin. He had been able to ride home at least, though Elionwy had worried after him much of the way. It was an odd site to see Mason with a woman still, her quiet regard for him seemed cold, yet it was her eyes that spoke to him and he was always brought to a smile for them.
You place a hand on Mason’s shoulder when he comes to you side fully, he was wearing a cloak of black otter pelt and it felt smooth against your hand, he slips his own onto your shoulder and you stand watching the fire for a quiet moment before he speaks in a harsh whisper, “We’ve yet to hear word from Illiad, Asher and Sallo, they should have arrived by now.”
Your brow furrows and thoughts turn to your Myrish companion, in truth you did not know whether or not to expect word from him, perhaps he wished to keep a lower profile while he was in Essos? He had not spoken at length of the subject, in the days before he left off his face had grown serious and collected, the other two Sons much the same. They took every meal together, spoke at length of plans you were only aware of in a cursory manner. When you had wished him off after arriving in King’s Landing, he only smiled and promised to be home soon. The use of ‘home’ was what had caught at you, a man from halfway across the world, who only knew Essos and traveling had found a home, and he intended to make it his family’s as well. Even in your own mind Steadhold hardly felt like home sometimes, it was in name and in fuzzy memories of rebellious youth, yet often you would find yourself awake in the deep of night, staring off towards the Narrow Sea from the Dragon’s Roost. It was wistful thinking at best, at worst desire. But you stayed, never stepping foot beyond the ports of King’s Landing.
“I would not worry after them Mason. Illiad is resourceful, how else would you explain him convincing two sellswords to buy him from a stockyard in the middle of Myr?”
The Knight thinks on this for a moment, “Aye, you’ve the right of it Brynden. I simply worry, I dislike having the Sons at partial strength.”
Turning to regard him fully and removing your hand you agree, “I as well Mason. But for now, we wait. Nothing more to be done for it.”
He nods and leaves off to meet Elionwy and Benjin at the table. You see Wesley and Dontos speaking and Gawen coming in from the rain, near drenched himself. Your cousin has a look of unhappiness fixed on his face, no doubt the Tourney grounds were near soaked and construction had been halted to repair the bridge instead. While Dontos seems mostly unphased. Though he often seemed distance of late, the weight of your suggestion to court Lady Alexes Chelsted had been heavy upon his thoughts of late. He did not argue the notion with you, it was a fine match, you were his Lord, if it was a possibility to bring honor the House and her name of course he would do it. He worried though, incessantly, and you had yet to pry it from his lips as to what.
The great hall had near cleared out now, and you see Ser Lucas Longwaters lingering, he had offered to sit in with you but you declined, an ally still worthwhile in his House, but not one you wished upon your small council meetings as of yet. The Knight had taken to Steadhold rather happily, carving out a section of the eastern Tower as his home, a few of his own Household had come with, no more than servants though a boy as well. Grant Conklyn, his betrothed’s younger brother and heir to his House had come along as his squire, a surprising move by Lord Argor. The lad was absolutely thrilled to say the least, he spent any time the rain was light enough to be outside among your stables, curious of your horses and pestering Gawen with questions of your House’s Bloodline. He was a mite older than the other squires of the House, having served his father’s Household Knights before coming here, and in a few good years it was likely he would be Knighted in his own right. Lady Racheal had not come however, Lord Argor intent on seeing his daughter stay chaste before the marriage proper in a few months. Lucas had told you in private that it was an effort for naught though a small thing to allow the Lord.
Your steps ring hollow throughout the hall as you come to the dial, regarding them all in turn and bidding them sit before doing so yourself. The highchair of your father had come to be comfortable beneath you at least, that small part felt like you belonged. Benjin is still moving through his papers, more than usual, though it was a much more important month than per usual. In two months you would be leaving for King’s Landing again, though this time in service to the Hand of the King, Lord Jon Arryn, and your Household would need be prepared for you abence for the peace talks. Not to mention the exorbitant amount of wealth you had acquired while in King’s Landing, winnings in multiple parts, and what to do with such a boon. Beyond that you knew Steadhold still suffered, the Outer Ring was still livable, though the population had yet to return still, what was once a small city barely ranged into the territory of a hamlet nowadays and it ate at you. Thoughts of projects suggested in the past still swirled about your head, as did the thought of paying off a sizable chunk of your debt to the Bank of Bays and it all managed to red on your face as Benjin sighs and calls you to attention, “My Lord. It would appear we have much to speak of this month, shall we begin?”
Before we begin to distribute Wealth and other things we have one more thing to handle. End of last thread we ended with the House Fortune Roll, gaining a Blessing. So that’s a 1d6 to one resource or 2 1d3s to two. So let’s decide that before anything. I’m going to assume 1d3 Power and 1d3 Lands.
However I’ll remind, in the Glory event you got from your House’s performance in the Tourney in King’s Landing you gained 6 Defense. Unless we intend on building another Tower or something similar I believe this will do us little good at the present. Defense can however be converted to Lands at a 1:1 ratio, all 6 is enough to give us the 10 necessary to gain a Hamlet. That being said I know there was talks of investing in a Chapel, 1 Defense and 4 Wealth, as opposed to the full Sept, leaving us with 9 Lands should we convert the rest, 1 off from the Hamlet. Either way if we do the conversion this will leave us with the House Fortune Roll being used elsewhere, perhaps a full 1d6 to Power to pretty much guarantee we have enough for the Veteran Cavalry+Personal Guard unit. Or 1d3 Power and Wealth, because you can never have enough Wealth. Up to you guys.
So there’s some food for thought, let’s hammer out the details of the House Fortune Roll and any conversions of Resources we’ll be doing before we delve into Wealth talks.
You misunderstand, its not a one or the other thing. You can get both in the same month, it's more of a how question right now.
Even at maximum gains on a 1d3 you'd only get 3 towards your Lands, leaving you with 7. And not enough to get the Hamlet going.
I'm suggesting we convert our excess Defense into Lands, all 6 to fill out the necessary amount, and then proceed to use our House Fortune roll for other things.
In terms of the Sept, you have literally enough money to buy whatever you want right now. It's a nonquestion about being able to purchase it.
Lovely quest you have here. Finally managed to get caught up on the archives.
Yes, money. We need to start amassing money and create a money machine, and for that we need some people so we can later build the market and the port we all know and love.
One thing I thought while browsing was if we could try and induct more people into the Sons of Gold and make it a proper mercenary outfit. If they step out of our force limit they could go for a contract outside our lands to another lord or Essos, and have a addendum in the contract that allows the Captain to recall them, say like using them against people the company is already under arms. It also makes our elite and unique troops like horse archers and Myrish Xbow men technically mercs and not something we have to provide as a vassal, but something the liege lord would have to contract, or we can graciously contract for him, and expect something in return.
Pour wealth into covering the rest
I would vote for a hamlet, Food agriculture/mill, sporting horse herd/palfreys, timber, and then chapel, as well as artisan leatherworker
Which would cost 10 lands, 27 wealth, 1 defense. (but drop the chapel if we cannot do that).
And then suddenly we are Bordain. Thank you though.
And you as well.
She appreciates it. Thank you.
What's funny is this is a legitimate suggestion given how much we have.
Alright seeing some mixed answers. Let's do a quick vote.
>Convert 6 Defense to 6 Lands
Gaining enough to cover the Hamlet purchase and freeing up the House Fortune roll for other purposes.
>Convert 5 Defense to 5 Lands
Placing us just below the necessary amount to purchase a Hamlet, and perhaps necessitating we use our House Fortune roll on Lands still.
Assume we'll be using at least 1d3 on Lands.
Rolled 2 (1d6)
I figured this would be a bit of a dry start for everyone. Don't worry, we'll get to my overly long posts soon.
Anyway, conversion is ago. 6:6, and we now have enough for a Hamlet. Roll on this post is how long it'll take to finish up.
So, before we get to proper spending of our ridiculous Wealth. Time to figure out what we'll be using our House Fortune Roll for.
We don't need Lands at this moment. And Power, Wealth, and Population are our only main goals.
I'll remind, a Blessing is 1d6 to one resource, or a 1d3 to two.
A 1d3 on Power, even with a roll of 2 will give us the 11 necessary to purchase the Veteran Cavalry+Personal Guards unit. If you'd like to make goals to buy other units soon as well you could spend the whole 1d6 on it.
Bigger Population means more people. More people means more money. Which means a better House Fortune roll, we need 9 to fit into the perfect range for maximum gains.
And Wealth is Wealth. Can never have enough of that.
Discuss. If it gets muddy, I'll call another vote.
get that power & pop
>the perfect range for maximum gains.
Alright seeing no other major pushes we'll go with that sweet Power and Wealth gains. Because they're everyone's favorite.
We'll start with Power. Give me a 1d3+1 everyone. I'll take the highest of the first three.
Line infantry should be made up of well drilled pikes/halburds flanked by strong heavy infantry support. Get that and you can basically gring an opposing army without pikes to death.
In seriousness we will probably have to make do with lots of levy spearmen and just get them well trainned with shield wall type formations.
Solid range. Haha +4 to Power it is.
Alright Wealth is next, you guys will love this one. Awhile back I promised a +2 to the next roll because of me changing my mind on something.
So Wealth is 1d3+2+1d6. Yeah.
We'll do the 1d3 first. 1d3+2 please.
Funny you guys should mention Pikemen. I have a homebrew unit of them I use in my real game. If you're interested. Mostly a specialized Infantry unit. Spoiler.
Power Cost: 3
Discipline Modifier: 0
Key Abilities: Athletics, Endurance, Fighting
Starting Equipment/Upgraded Equipment:
Armor Rating: 3/4
Armor Penalty: -2/-2
Fighting Damage: Athletics +1/Athletics +2
Special Rules: When in Battle Formations, Phalanx or Square Formation, negate the effects of a hostile Charge from a mounted unit in head to head combat. If this unit is flanked or attacked from the rear add +3 to its Discipline Modifier.
Okay, +5 to start.
Next up is the extra 1d6. You guys are doing really well from all of your trading with House Longwaters and Hayford.
I don't think we're at that level yet, Bordain gains Wealth faster than us, and spend it faster than us.
And Karban is what you find when you go beyond Littlefinger level of making money.
To be fair i have not read the other got quests.
The only one i got into before this i left because it was inhabited by a really obnoxious fuck who would argue pendantically about every little thing.
And in a surprising twist we only get an extra +3. That's the first time you guys haven't rolled a 5 or 6 just to fuck with me.
So overall gain of +8. Giving us a grand total of 45 Wealth gained this month alone, and 46 to use. Fucking christ alive.
Alright, so I'll be auto purchasing two things.
First, the Veteran Cavalry+Personal Guard unit, for 11 Power and 2 Wealth. That is the unit you will gain at the conclusion of the Melee in Steadhold, the Wealth cost is for unit upgrades. The unit is detailed in the Military Spreadsheet still, and they are some tough bastards.
Second, the Tournament, aka the Melee in Steadhold for 5 Wealth. It is going to have to happen regardless, so might as well do it now.
And with that, you'll have 1 Power left over. I see some talks of future units, so that'll be good. And I like the mercenary idea. See if we can get that to work out.
And 39 usable Wealth.
I'm going to assume the Sept is a given at this point, that's a 15 cost, so leaving us with 24. And yes this includes a Septon.
Your debt is 98 at present, next month a payment of 1 is expected, unless you pay now in advance.
The rest is up to you guys, as is the above I would suppose if we want to hold out on it. The Council suggestions are still in the House Malroy Stats Spreadsheet.
And the related .pdf is the Out of Strife, Prosperity book. It includes other purchases if you are interested in something a bit different from the suggestions.
>I would say a hamlet, Food agriculture/mill, sporting horse herd/palfreys, timber,as well as an artisan leatherworker
It would cost us 10 lands and 23 wealth, and leave us enough wealth left over for anything else we might need/ to fight off any bad luck.
Timber for sure. Tolls is a nice one too since it also means we can control the flow of goods through our area more efficiently. It would also allow us to issue Toll pass's to favoured merchants to entice them to our area later on.
I suggest we then get an apiary, since that coupled with timber would help with cutting down costs for brewing booze as a trade good in the future.
Some quick thoughts from your Council.
Benjin and Dontos both suggest heavily to at least put some, maybe 10 Wealth towards the Debt.
Mason and Wesley are in favor of anything that involves infrastructure of Steadhold and the military at large. Artisans, Military Academy, etc.
Gawen would like to get the Sporting Herd, but it isn't a priority to him right now.
Benjin also suggests purchasing a Smelter or Mastersmith to capitalize on our iron trade with the Longwaters.
Elionwy seems to be in favor of funding ventures in Steadhold's domains, timber, apiary, etc. She sees worth in alcohol distilleries, not something your House is known for.
Dontos is just happy you're considering the Sept at all. He's practically giddy with joy.
Do you know what we really need? The one man who could save us from our own need to fuck women and insult Queens?
That's right, when a Barrister costs 10 Wealth for a +2 to house fortunes and +1D to Intrigue involving the law when he's representing us.
PLEASE have our personal lawyer be named Saul, Father.
Oh nothing actually, that's mostly a thematic thing. As you continue purchasing upgrades, such as the Hamlet and Sept, stuff like that, it'll get to its former glory in a time. Also investing in Population will regrow the Outer Ring.
+1 to pop, power, and wealth (one time I assume)
Not quite, it'll give you those Bonuses to your House Fortune Roll modifiers. Which is why you get a +1d6 to Wealth.
Imagine how much trouble could have been avoided if we had him earlier. And considering our... spiritedness... we likely to get good mileage out of his Intrigue bonus, while he already pays for himself with the House Fortune bonus he gives passively
Rolled 1, 3 + 12 = 16 (2d6 + 12)
I'm not quite sure I follow.
Alright. So let's see if I can round up some ideas here. I've seen no descent on purchasing a Sept, so that's a go, roll on this post is how long it'll take, it's a real venture.
Timber looks like it's generally agreed on.
Few bits and pieces for other ideas. Tolls seems to be the next idea with a degree of support. So vote.
>Purchase for 5 Wealth
The next idea is the Barrister. I had wondered if anyone would catch onto him being available before the trial but Dontos seemed to serve just fine. It's not a bad purchase really with some support. I'll put it to a vote.
>Purchase for 10 Wealth
And I'm seeing a lot of people fine with putting off paying anything on our Debt. Which is surprising to me, but the terms are mighty fine. Yeah Dontos will be a bit miffed about it, but the Sept will keep him occupied. Just in case though, vote.
>Make a payment? (Specific amount)
So not really the time, but we should "offer" to pay for the midwife for the seamstress's daughter, because a midwife in our employ will be more honest if anything in the birth is... Questionable. I mean if it's a girl I don't care if it's a month too early to have been ours we should still recognize it as long as its not black for that sweet sweet alliance, but I'd like to know
No Barrister (Not yet anyway)
No Debt payment.
We need a reserve of wealth incase shit goes weird while we are away. I suggest we keep a nest egg hidden away where we found the dragon bone in the kings landing manor.
I vaguely remember us rolling the maximum build time on some stuff in construction, I might have imagined it though. I thought you were justifying the delays with the storm and bridge stuff.
>Tolls and Barrister yes
>Paying down debt no
Also I think it's hilarious imagining Brynden bringing up the subject of having a permanent attorney on retainer.
Oh, this is nice. I really love the Library and its upgrades, Scriptrium, Research Archivist and Observatory.
If we get to have a town and port we should get the library and all its upgrades for the Observatory, because coupled with a Market on the Kingsroad, a Port, and perhaps a Lighthouse we can make a very attractive place to unload or load stuff, especially if we make improvements in Road, Sewers and build lots of Warehouses.
See, Kings Landing was not designed, so if we can get a Architect to plan our city around moving and storing freight with proper sewers, roads and roofs, once we have the population to run a market town, and the port unloading in our town or future city would be cheaper than paying the Kingslanding docking fares, and then storing the goods here until they are in season and then carting them to KL through the market via the Kingsroad.
Fully upgrade library, that is accessible to everyone who buys a permit and Observatory and Lighthouse would make ships even more attracted to come here to make sure they have their readings right, or to check their maps, get maps, or copy maps (house rules that any map copied gets a second copy made for the house archive of course)
This should make us a very attractive commerce center, and it is possible to build precisely because we are so depopulated and can buldose and replan the whole city in proper fashion with straight, wide streets that can handle carts all perpendicular and parallel to one another and not serpentine.
In a way it would be like a mini Valyrian return with order and good administration.
Hell we could get a Scholar to build a school and profit on the Library and have every child who can not help yet with the work and have one day every ten day to learn numbers, some basic economics and letters and Valyrian, for our subjects of course, so that every craftsman, trader or vendor can list prices and hold books of their own and not have money problems.
Its a nice goal imho.
That's not a bad end goal game. Though we will only be getting services from the Blackwater Rush and the Goldroad, seeing as we're inland.
That being said, a port is still possible, it only needs a River and Small Town to be purchasable.
Exactly. Every single GoT quest has the flock of people thinking we can become an economic powerhouse in the span of a few years just because.
This is why I love Father's smaller scope and harder difficulty, he doesn't roll over as easily as other QMs do. Reminds me of Harrock.
Sewers might be worth the price in the long term.
Stuff like fisheries as well
Absolutely no advance payment of the debt. Make the payments as they come. For every wealth in interest we avoid by paying down we could easily make an order of magnitude that amount by spending that wealth on Tolls or a Barrister
>I thought you were justifying the delays with the storm and bridge stuff.
Right right right, I see what you're saying now. And yeah that was what I was trying to convey.
Yeah until you guys decide to win a Tournament you had absolutely no statistical right to be winning. And fuck me. Fuck me sideways.
Alright let's tally some stuff up here.
No payment. We'll be fine.
Not yet. It's sort of split, so I'll let the idea sit for now.
So you still have 14 left over to use, anymore suggestions or should we just keep it as a nice little nest egg?
Sewers while at hamlet size would have to be reworked constantly and at considerable cost for their actual use at the time.
It would be better to put that down mostly in one go than do it peice meal like we would have to with an expanding population.
>Yeah until you guys decide to win a Tournament you had absolutely no statistical right to be winning. And fuck me. Fuck me sideways.
The only one who got fucked harder than the Summer Islander was Obella
I say get the Toll. Pay off the debt with 2-3 wealth. Keep rest
I agree yes to the Barrister, but paying the debt in advance does practically nothing for us since the interest is low enough as is and we have absolutely no business burning our one time windfall on saving a bit of interest instead of investing it in elevating our position.
They did, while House Tully and the other River Houses fought in the war, Walder waited and built granaries for food that would be lacking at the end of the war. If there's one Noble House that had the means to take the Great House title from it's Lord's before the War of the Five Kings, it's House Frey, even the Lannister from Lannisport can't compete
Father has stated multiple times Dontos is happy. We've invested half of our prize money in a sept. I'd rather capitulate to Dontos when it's actually a good idea. It's not like there's a shortage of Dontos being smarter then us. Just not on this occasion.
Doubt it. She is most likely on her way back to Dorne to report.
The Freys own a significatly larger amount of land than us and it is much better located for that kind of thing. We are living 1 day ride away from Kings Landing.
Well alright it actually looks like there's more support for the Barrister. Sure, why not. It'll be a grand time.
Yes I'll name him Saul, it amuses me.
>Usable: 4 Wealth
And with that, there we go. Used most of our Wealth and bought a lot of stuff. And some things I had not expected to buy.
Let me collect everything together, the House Stats sheet should be updated in a few seconds.
As a point. You now have a +3d6 to your House Fortune Modifier. A lot of that is from the trade deals you enacted, but still. Christ alive guys.
Let me get my stuff together and I'll give it a good write up.
We could invest some money into a trade company in kings landing, use it to direct a small flow of trade our way and as a point of sell for our own goods when we start brewing or if we start selling horses again.
No fucking with the debt. Its pointless. Our rates are super reasonable. So reasonable that i am tempted to propose a bank of bays rep or something in our future city. To show our appreciation as a satisfied customer.
Maybe a branch of their bank in our city? We would, of course, get reasonable rates of return for renting our land and trades would have to be finalized by us (we wouldn't them to have a debt monopoly on our lands).
While true, most of the foreign trade is bought by merchants in kings landing before it travels onwards. If we have our men buying from the ship traders we cut out a step in the buying loop, so we can sell the goods in our lands ourselves for a step cheaper price and send them on further inland where kings landing goods are harder to come by.
That is what i meant by sponsering a merchant. We get the toll set up, then give certain merchants under our employ exemption status crossing our roads. Both partys make profit while making rival faction merchants less powerful in our lands.
Wouldnt make much sense for them since Kings Landing is just 1 days ride away.
But damn Dontos must be proud of us.
We won the archery contest.
Managed to not insult anyone too badly
As far as he knows we did not sleep with Obella
and now we are building the Sept back up again
Rolled 2, 5 + 12 = 19 (2d6 + 12)
>Also dont forget our EXP
That will be coming up next in a scene with Dontos and your new Superior Half-Plate arriving. Everyone get excited.
I won't lie, that was my second option for this quest. I'm considering running one if House Malroy runs its course.
Anyway, one last roll for the Barrister.
And now for writing.
If we get on that, it might be smart to cut a further deal with the others along the following road such that their own similar merchants don't get a toll from us and ours don't get a toll from them.
Makes having the houses that agree even better noble patrons and everyone else even worse
Cityplan anon here
We are on the Gold Road and gave a river connection? That is even better. We do not need the observatory as bad and we have even better reasons through us one can ship and cart wares to and from the reach, westerlands and crownlands to Kings landing or other parts. And we do not have to compete with coastal ports.
Plus a major complex of warhouses is better her than in KL where rent and real estate has to be exorbitant.
Hell with their large population they should have little room for extra warehouses. Couple this with market and docks as well as a KL trading company and perhaps some banker reps from the Bank of Bays and one from the Iron Bank to have some competition and we have a decent shot at being a pretty important trade hub that deals with inland south and western westeros.
And with a few more such wins over the years in tournaments i could see this goal done by midgame instead of endgame.
This is even better than i imagined fearing KL comperition.
The only way the king could stop such a plan would be to impose a set toll rate cap for all roads in the kingdom. Even then since we would be sponsering the merchant, every time they use our road the same money just gets passed back and forth like a hot potatoe without breaking any rules.
To solve the problem permanently would require the king taking power from the nobles.
Lots of "if" and "maybe" for that. Not to mention the fact that we have the Queen against us, three houses who hate our guts. One who has our sister, we have very few friends and pissed off the other Valyrian houses, to think they would just let us do that is a bit naive.
Let's say the crown bans houses from exempting each other's merchanys from tolls. Instead we convert into a package deal where we all buy into each others merchants so we're not exempting each others merchants we're exempting out own. Now the crown needs to ban joint ownership by noble houses and that's going to hit more than just us, and we can probably STILL come up with a setup that doesn't run afowl of the new laws.
Problem with this is that in-land water routes are childs play to cut off. We would get no joy trying to butt in there i can pretty much guarantee it.
As far as the city(if we choose to go that far) is concerned, we might be limited in size just due to the closeness of kings landing. Its also a discussion for a later date really. Frankly Eco whoring is not our primary goal as far as im concerned.
Obella is not bad to sleep around with considering we do aim to marry her.
So Dontos would be happy about that too knowing we are considering a respectable marriage, and with Dornish no less.
Yeah, pissing off the Valyrian Houses was a bad move, I think everyone agrees on that one.
But he doesnt know that yet. To him Obella is just a entertainer who Brynden got a eye for.
>We just failed to blow them off without making them angry.
But throughly in character for Brynden though
“Of course Benjin, let’s see what we have to work with,” you respond knowing the truer answer to this, you simply wished to hear the sum in words.
Your Maester eyes you with a chuckle and pulls a paper from his pile and flicks it out, pressing it down upon the others, “As you are well aware my Lord the winnings from your Trial and the Archery Contest brought home a sizable amount of coin. 6,600 gold dragons to be exact. Another 400 was had from House Longwaters in sale of Horse. And-”
Mason interjects, “Another 400 from Curtis Flowers, Brynden. The rest of his winnings from the Tourney, though he spent it on your Archers almost immediately.”
Benjin gives the knight a sidelong look and clears his throat continuing, “Yes, another 400. And then another 1,600 still from the Houses activities while we awayed. Sales of horse, merchants stopping along the way to make purchase and ply their wares, sale of grain and etc.”
You begin to tally the sums in your head, it was more money than you had ever seen in your life, and you begin to speak the amount before Benjin cuts you off with a sharp look.
“9,000 gold dragons in total my Lord.”
Your council sits quiet for a moment, allowing the sum to sink in. Wesley is staring at you dumbfounded, while Dontos allows a smile to creep about his face. Benjin continues shuffling through his papers before speaking again, “I believe we have more than a few matters of wealth to speak of my Lord.”
“To say the least,” Dontos replies, “We could pay off a sizable amount of the Debt with this Brynden.”
DId we or did we not fuck the hot dornish lady, and is or is she not in a suitable postion for marriage, and is or is she not also in a good position to bargin for this through the peace negotiations and the clandestine offering of a hand in friendship?
Frankly the entire affair is not very far from falling into place perfectly. Which of course is making me paranoid about spanners being thrown into the works. E.g. john sending his selected bride for us along with the delegation so we have to dodge her constantly.
“Or allow it to serve purpose at home Uncle,” you respond, your mind had been churning with ideas ever since gaining a rough tally in King’s Landing. You crack your neck and pull for a map of Steadhold and her domains, “Steadhold still needs our attention. The Outer Ring is in need of rebuilding, beyond that the Sept, faith will help heal our people’s wounds, and lastly I do believe we should begin to tolling passage across the bridge and through our stretch of the Goldroad, I’ve had more than enough of Royce’s glorified highwaymen robbing the good travelers.”
“The… The Sept?” Dontos says with a whisper, his eyes fixed upon the location it once stood, “Yes Brynden. I could see no better purpose than to give to the Seven in thanks for such a boon.”
“And tolling the bridge should be more than easy to begin again my Lord,” Benjin finishes, allowing your Uncle to daydream again, “I do believe the Outer Ring need only a few more months to reach what some would call a hamlet my Lord, far from its former glory and sections of the town are still burnt out, but those of importance should be able to hold our smallfolk with easy and return commerce. Assuming the flood doesn’t wash them away.”
The heavy rain upon the castle’s roof reminds you of another few investments, “Mason, how many men return with us from King’s Landing in hopes of services?”
“More than a few Brynden.”
“Good, I believe we’ve the strength to begin to calls proper for Knights of the realm to join the Melee,” Wesley perks up at this, “Yes cousin, the gold to host the event is yours.”
The younger Hayford runs a hand through his dirty blonde hair, and smiles brightly, “I will send calls as far west as Lannisport. Perhaps the Vale… The Reach for certain.”
Benjin scribbles down a few tallies, “We’ve still more than enough wealth my Lord. Perhaps payment-”
“No Benjin. We need to invest, our lands will serve us from the debt greater than unnecessary payments. The terms are finer than we could have hoped for, I see no reason to not abuse them.”
“As you say my Lord,” the elder man ruffles slightly, and Dontos looks cross with the notion, though still appeased with the Sept being a priority.
Elionwy prods at Mason and he begins to speak again, pointing towards Hemgrove to the northeast, “Brynden. We need timber, lances, bows, arrows, building materials. All of it. You did take that forest with bloody purpose, might as well use it.”
You chew the thought and agree rather rapidly after a brief moment, “See it done.”
You review your tallies again, roughly 1800 gold dragons left and a thought niggles in the back of your mind. You were helpless in the face of the King’s Law, you knew little and less of the law, Benjin only a degree, and parades of accusations were only the damning nail in the coffin. You needed someone with experience. You still had far too much restraining the might of your House, that would need be a trial of its own, and not one to be won with swords.
“Benjin, do you know anyone with an exceptional knowledge of law, a… Lawyer I’d suppose?”
The Maester taps his chin a moment, and his brow furrows, “A barrister would be the proper term my Lord. No one outside of the Citadel though at present. Why?”
“I would see someone with knowledge of law under our employ, I was a helpless whelp before the Queen. I do not wish to be so again in the future,” you respond firmly. Thunder catches the end of your words.
“I shall write to the Citadel then my Lord. Perhaps they would know a man…”
“Thank you Benjin, see it done.”
“Of course my Lord,” he scribbles a few more tallies and looks to you expectantly, “I do believe that is it then my Lord? Our considerable wealth is now considerably less. I would say that their investment is where is needed most my Lord.”
You lean back into your seat and chew on the thoughts some more. A few deal of wealth spent, but one of investment. Of the future. You breath in deep and lean forward again and nod to Benjin, “Yes. I do believe that is all. Thank you everyone.”
Your small council convenes and begin to leave off in pieces, Mason wishes your ear later along with Wesley, and Dontos says he has a surprise for you when you have the time, and to bring Victus. Elionwy escorts Maester Benjin to his seat, no doubt helping with the final tallies and sending ravens to where they need go. Gawen leaves off with a grumble about the bloody rain and how the storm gods can keep their piss to himself. And for a moment you are alone. Thoughts calm, only interrupted by the occasional boom of thunder, and they turn to a degree of happiness. You felt a Lord for a moment, investing in your lands with power and wealth, instead of whoring it away on food and women.
Though your mind still kept to the few women in your life. Lady Obella’s voice kept in your mind, her easy motions, the taste upon your lips, an ally in Dorne, but who. Though the taste was mixed with the unpracticed moment of weakness from Lady Giselle, you did not know the end game with her, how Lord Arryn thought you would fall for someone with a diminished value, it simply made no sense. And in the back of your mind Cecilia sat, pregnant with your supposed child, Dontos still hadn’t spoken of it, and you were nervous of this, the child could be of use, but it was not of love, like Victus, it was of lust.
You shake idle thoughts from your head and go to stand, wishing to find company amongst your Household.
>Speak with Ser Mason and Ser Wesley
>Speak with Ser Dontos and Victus.
Alright so the House Malroy Stats spreadsheet is entirely upgraded. Today, today we gained some shit. That'll teach me to doubt /tg/'s ability to fuck probability over.
The House docu has a few things, just your new additions in the coming year/months. And yes they are both a bit spoilery. I'll give the Outer Ring a proper write up later.
I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY WITH YOURSELVES YOU RIDICULOUS ROLLING MOTHER FUCKERS.
Not if B does his damn job of getting an heir into her.
Besides, I would wager the competative fire between the two will draw them like a magnet to a lode stone. If the woman falls for Bryden propperly, there will be no problems.
It hasn't even begun, also don't forget that the dices gods can take as quick as they give, it won't be long where everything spins out of control
Pretty much. I see us as a white haired green eyed Oberyn and hid wedded paramour who happens to be the female version of the same. Only both of them prefer skewering you with arrows than dueling you.
I'm personally fully prepared to say sorry Arryn I just don't trust the king's peace as much as I probably should we half my neighbors making moves against me or allying with those who are, just can't afford that marriage if it doesn't get me an ally in gulltown.
Arryn is already on side to some degree. But not "Pick my wife for me" on side.
Besides, if we work a marriage into the peace process and redirect Oberyn's wrath using our own history to relate to him we can have both our cake and eat it most likely.
>Brynden's face when the fact that the prince takes completely after his mother and not at all after the king makes it increasingly clear that one day he will have to betray arryn's memory of he's lucky and arryn himself if not
My feeling is that Dorne's just too far off to provide much support, and the Baratheons, Tyrells aren't found of the Dornish, nevermind the Lannisters with what Tywin did.
Even if we were going HDW, we're going to Dorne soon and if we've going that way, I think Doran is the much better option for an ally over Oberyn- try and get a match through him. (Maybe an wife from the Boneway house- the one with the snake/foot motiff.)
(And not just because Alexander Siddig is awesome in GoT.)
Still like Giselle better at the minute though.
Yeah it won't actually be too bad when it actually happens, especially when he hears that it's not even Robert's kids anyways, but I feel like he genuinely likes and respects arryn and will be somewhat sad that all of arryn's work ultimately left things worse off than when he stsrted
Mate. Giselle is going to give us nothing. Her part of the family is no longer owning Gulltown and the part that do want nothing to do with her. Marrying her is an allianec to an landless knight and making Jon Arryn feeling better about himself.
Any chance of a section on the spreadsheet showing our upcoming build completions in order of when they will be finished? In the same vein as the timeline of events already at the bottom.
Dontos and Lannister Septon being caught together would be the most hilarious scandal ever.
Not much support is still better than no support. If arryn told us he'd talk the new lord of gulltown into reconciling with Giselle and bro I'd be totally down because gulltown is as good an ally as we're gonna find maps and armies wise, but it sounds like that's just not the case.
We have plenty of time, not to mention we are already on rocky ground.
When the war breaks out, we support the king anyway, because not doing so would be suicide.
We then just use horse archers and heavy cavalry and try keep our losses to a minimum while paying lip service.
WHat happens when dorne rebels is something to think on when it happens.
We are surrounded by fairly bad matches really. Anyone in our near area is going to call on us for aid we just straight up cant pull off right now or the intermediate future.
Giselle is one of the worst options for us on a house level due to her sheer lack of standing. The hand's support be damned.
But with the dorne backing we have a potential long term trade parnter and a very very safe place to ship future kids off to if shit heads south.
The sad part is that shes actually worthless enough for that.
That said, no no no. HDW wankery is bad enough, we are not going to do that.
At least not planned in advance. We all know about Brynden's poor impulse control.
Giselle seems Sandsa-lite. We probably could "persuade" her into being a mistress, which would essentially completely fuck up her life. Dorne is pretty liberal when it comes to women having sex and y'know rights. The rest of westeros not so much.
Dontos spoke of a surprise and it felt an odd thing, you thought there was something of note but could not recall entirely. But he said to bring Victus along, so you thought it a good idea to spend some time with your family. Your son was found about the yard, he was helping the others attempt to calm your horses, he was having the most success of it, a trait he shared with you. Goldsong was amongst the stables with the smattering of other horses that were as calm as he was, and that is where you found your muddy and drenched son, smiling with gaping teeth, he had lost two of his baby teeth and looked absolutely ridiculous. He had insisted he needed a new silver tooth like the one you had now and you had talked him down, though not without an exceedingly long amount of argument. You sent him off to get a bath and told him to come to the armory when he was done.
The halls of Steadhold had begun to bustle a slight amount more, your servants intermingled with those of Ser Lucas’, various members of your military were about, retainers of all sorts and the occasional Knight promising to serve you, though put off until they could prove it in the Melee. A particular Ser Wat Waters was rather persistent of the thought, and you often found him about the yard with your other knights, though he did a poorer job of the rest.
Stepping into the armory you find the smith from King’s Landing examining a beautiful set of armor, the onyx plate of your Uncle. He turns and bows to you, his left leg seemed a bit crippled and it was a difficult exercise, and you nod him off.
I'm all for being loyal to arryn, but being loyal to arryn is not being loyal to Robert and arryn is an old man... I wouldn't be against saying exactly that to the martells either.
“Nephew,” Dontos begins turning the corner and waving you over, “Steely Pate was the man that constructed my armor all those years ago, and now, your own.”
Follow after you find a manikin suited up with plate as fine as your Uncle’s. Onyx plate as dark and beautiful as his own, details of gold, upon the breastplate was an inlay of a golden horse running as your sigils did. The helmet was more or less plain, though it was a solid thing, no visor, Steely Pate insisted visors were a weak spot. The only thing that caught your notice was how little it was comparably to your Uncle’s own.
“Half-plate Brynden. I knew you would never truly wish to be without your mobility. So a settlement. It still offers far more protection than the rags you wear now,” he says, picking the helmet off the manikin and handing it to you. It felt heavy in your hands, but it seemed right, Lordly attire, “Come nephew, we’ve need to do a final fitting.”
Steely Pate begins to help dress you part by part, making small adjustments where needed and hammering in the final measurements while you stood half dressed in plate, Dontos by your side.
“Nephew. We’ve something to speak of.”
You had dreaded this, of course he would catch you while there was a witness, he knew better than to do these things without them anymore, “Of what Uncle?”
“Your... “ he sighs and pinches the bridge of his nose, “Of your supposed bastard. That seamstress girl in King’s Landing.”
You shift uncomfortably, Steely Pate sitting a vambrace over your arm grumbling at the fit and leaving off to fix it, “What of her Uncle?”
He sighs again and fixes you with a level gaze, “I asked the Seven for guidance, and they calmed my wrath Brynden. I cannot change the man you are despite it spitting in the face of their teaches. So… I will make you a deal.”
You eye your Uncle uneasy, “What sort of deal?”
He crosses his arms, hand resting on his chin, “I will… Court Lady Alexes Chelsted. For our House,” his words felt awkward and forced and he attempted to maintain a serious look upon his face but it was awash with worry, “If you do not recognize the child. Pay the girl and her mother and be done with it. Just please do not bring another bastard into this House.”
You chew on the thought, Steely Pate working on your breastplate now, it fitting like a glove on the first try and he finally smiles. It wasn’t an unfair deal per say, but if the child was a daughter you had a chance to marry her to Landed Knights. Not exactly an elevation for them, but still a marriage that served you. A boy would be a ward, perhaps become a Knight in time. And you felt a pang of guilt, you would be simply leaving the child, even if it wasn’t yours.
Well? What say you?
>Agree to his deal
Oh no he's definitely a Lannister. That being said, he was a lower cousin, much lower, and born far before anything happened. He is now in total service to the Faith, he's coming to Steadhold for purpose. To atone for the sins of his family.
Tell him exactly what the original alliance the longwaters offered was, and say that if it's a girl she'd be way too useful. Otherwise... Okay, but we'll absolutely get more tailoring done there to 'discretely' check in. (Don't tell him that part though.)
But state that its only if the child is a girl, since we can cement our relations with the longwaters by marrying her to their son.
If the bastard is a boy then we can go with his proposal.
Uncle if it is mine beyond doubt there were thoughts of marrying them off to the Longwaters boy if a girl. A boy would serve as ward then knight. But if it's not I agree. I'll have nothing to do with them. But you marrying the Lady Chelsted is good for the house regardless. That is something you must do to bring honour to the Malroy's.
Victus was born of love, when we were free to do as such. The seamstresses daughter was just lust and an accident of chance. We might check up every four or five years, but I wasn't planning to recognize the child anyway unless they turned out to be exceptional in some way.
Don't recognise the child, but keep them in Malroy lands, maybe the seemstress could live in the Malroy Hamlet. Making sure the child had a safe and secure future. The Mother would surely approve.
Backing >>43221002 If the child cannot fulfill the requirments of our promise to the longwaters.
The child will not be recognized but employed in the Villa when they come of appropriate age
Ugh no that's be terrible. I doubt we're going to let the seamstress's daughter live in the villa, and we're at steadhold 90% of the time, so she'd be growing up without mother AND without father.
That's not a deal at all, like it or not if we order him he'll court and sing for the Lady.
What he gonna do? Refuse after going all that length about duty and bringing honor to the House? Hypocrite much are you Dontos?
If we're going to disagree, let's be reasonable. Point out the Seven would not approve of abandoning the child. Don't be a dick to Dontos, he's trying his best with our bad behaviour.
That doesn't mean he has to do it well. And as I've said before, Dontos is indeed a bit of a hypocrite.
Alright so compromise, this is going to require some convincing rolls.
I'm guessing this is mostly if the child is a girl and is without a doubt Brynden's child. Recognize her, raise her in the Malroy Villa, marry to Aenys Longwaters.
If a boy, do not recognize? Pay them and be done with it, perhaps make a payment towards them being a squire or picking up a trade somewhere down the line.
That'd make him a hypocrite, which he his since for all that bitching and moaning he did when Brynden told the Celtigar to fuck off, he'd do the same if it was his choice.
Know who didn't throw a bitchfit when he got passed over the right to rule his Realm? Stannis. He ground his teeth into powder and set sail to Dragonstone.
>If a boy, do not recognize? Pay them and be done with it, perhaps make a payment towards them being a squire or picking up a trade somewhere down the line.
Don't recognise, but pull some nepotism to make sure they have a decent future and options
Keep an eye on the boy (if its a boy) in secret.
Stannis follows the rules to a fault. While his integrity is to be admired he is not a man i would wish to emulate.
Just because he WILL do his job if we put our foot down doesn't mean he will do it well. Make the argument and capitulate if we need to.
Don't bother with nepotism for a boy, just hand over some money and wash our hands.
Well personally I dispute the 'in the villa' because its shitty for a child to grow up without both parents. But if everyone else looking for a compromise wants that its better than straight refusal or agreeing.
Also point out that we're 90% sure the lady in question specifically wants him because of the total lack of baby-making that will happen so there will be no motive to kill off her current son.
Do we need to recognize a girl right away? Or can we wait a few years until our House is in a better position? We can't really afford a scandal right now, we are unpopular enough as-is. Just a quiet word to the Longwaters that we have a daughter and will recognize her in a few years when half of the crownlands aren't breathing down our necks(assuming it is a girl).
That was one of the greatest dick move Robert ever pulled, the greatest was to fuck some cunt on the marital bed of Stannis the night he got wed and have the Bastard Son that came out of it live into Storm's End like nothing's wrong.
Well we'll need to raise them as nobility so we aren't handing the longwaters a peasant with fortunate paternatity but a noble bastard, and I almost suspect that raising her WITHOUT recognizing her would be worse because it'd be such an obvious secret bastard and no one thinks well of a badly kept secret.
“Dontos you know I could simply order you to court the Lady Alexes, I am your Lord,” you respond meeting his gaze and he frowns.
“Well aware Brynden. Not that my brother did not try himself. Vamos was just as adamant of the thought as you nephew, not that it served him in the end,” he responds, watching Steely Pate finish up his work on your sword arm.
You sigh and wish to run your hand through your hair, though it is currently held in place, “Dontos, I told you about Ser Jon’s offer. He thought to marry a baseborn daughter… If the child is a girl, we have an easy alliance with them.”
“An insulting one perhaps, they are your allies in truth. If Ser Lucas is able to gain the hand of a third born daughter from the Reach, what makes you think in thirteen years time Ser Jon will not have gained a better offer?”
You sit in quiet again listening to the quiet pings of the smith in the background, “I’ll… Compromise with you Dontos.”
He frowns deeper and watches you carefully, he had hoped to win this by virtue of having an audience but even in the face of that you denied him such easy things, “If the child is a boy. I will wash my hands of it, even if he has my ears or hair. I will pay them, and perhaps leave a payment in the future for them to become a smith or something of worth. But they will go unrecognized.”
“And a girl?”
“And if it is a girl… She will be recognized. But be raised in the Villa in King’s Landing. There is still worth there Uncle.”
“And you expect me to still court the Lady Alexes then? On chance?”
“And of the mother?”
“We allow her to keep the child for a few years, no doubt we need even less scandel in our House’s name at present. What matters if we raise her properly from four rather than one?”
He seems unsure, and you fix him with as much gaze as you can muster, it felt wrong bargaining over an unborn child like this. Like it was some commodity, the worth deciding whether the nobles of the realm would play or not. It sat poorly in your stomach, but you needed to convince him of it.
>Roll 4d6 for Convince.
Main reason for keeping the child in the manor.
If its a boy we settle him in our lands someplace. One of the more well defended villages perhaps, or get him raised by the same sept we are currently building.
I know right? Terrible idea. I wish we could just retcon that out.
Also, if it turns out to be a boy the anti-climax will be delicious. You better roll your 1d2 fair and square, Father.
I'm telling you man, my typos, they'll be death of me.
I saw a fairer amount of support for it. Not to mention it absolutely has to happen if you guys want the child to be considered raised as a noble. And the compromise suggested at least she would be away from Steadhold.
Maybe I just don't get the subtle distinctions of bastard scandals. I assumed raising them in the Villa in KL would show her off more to our neighbors then raising her in Steadhold away from general scrutiny.
>Well aware Brynden. Not that my brother did not try himself. Vamos was just as adamant of the thought as you nephew, not that it served him in the end,”
And you're proud of being a fucking hypocrite aren't you? "Oh, you must do this for the good of the House" this, "Don't sully the honnor of the House" that. But when it comes to down to it you choke like a whore giving her 1st deepthroat.
Goddamn, it was said that Victus would make a better Lord than Brynden but I'm pretty sure he'd make a better knight than Dontos as well
I like Dontos, his character flaws add to him, and you can see the family resemblance with Brynden despite being on the opposite side of the Law vs Chaos scale. Not everyone with Stannis's morals has Stannis's iron will.
Remember lads, we also took that girls maidenhood, I assume, so we've pretty much destroyed any good marriage prospects she might have had. Instead of marrying a Smith she'll be marrying some fat old man.
We should just ship him to the Lady Waynewood of Iron&Hate, where the husband went to war to escape being forced to give her more children.
Bitch was crazy enough to put the move on the freshly married Lord Bordain with his wife standing beside him, and live.
By my count its basically balanced, and that's ignoring the fact that some of the support is ambiguous about whether it specifically supports that particular compromise plan or just compromise in general, as well as me knowing that two posts were me when you wouldn't have. Plus if he's concerned about insulting the longwaters isn't it more insulting to not even raise the bastard under our own roof but outsource it out? Barely even counts as raised properly.
>Brynden visits Bordain
>ends up fucking Alyssa
>Bordain then murders Brynden
>Alyssa gives birth and he has to look at that shit childs face every day intill he throws it in a well
Success, one degree.
The door opens behind you and you cast a look backwards to see Victus entering, looking a far better sort now that he had cleaned himself up. His hair was shorter than it had been in a long while, your Uncle insisting he need keep it short for practice, though he constantly argued that your own hair was much longer and you didn’t need to cut it. Dontos pushes his looks from his face, assuming a more innocent visage and draws in closer to you with a harsh whisper, “Only if the child is a girl Brynden. If she does not have your eyes nor hair, be done with it all the same.”
“Only if it’s a girl Dontos,” you reply through clenched teeth.
He nods and assumes a more formal manner, bringing Victus to his side and quizzing him on the different pieces of armor and how they come together, what latches where, their names, etc. The boy has caught on relatively quickly with his teachings, though he often finds himself distracted by the adornments about the plate, enjoying the inlaid horse the most. Steely Pate finishes the rest of his work and gives you another once over.
“Fine work smith,” you say, stretching out here and there. Attempting to gain measure of the weight on your arms and legs, it felt incredibly odd, though not so much as you had initially anticipated. Wearing your former armor day and night seemed to ease the burden a degree.
Dontos pays the smith a small fee to deliver the work and a tip for good measure, earning a jagged smile and not even one bite of a coin. He wonders around the armory a bit as you continue speaking with your family, your Uncle mentioning Mason wished to speak to him about banging out a few of the dents in his helmet and perhaps some new plate.
“How does it feel Brynden?”
“Well enough, a bit tight in the chest, though most things are,” you respond flexing again, and taking a swing with a practice sword to gain proper measure of the weight.
Your Uncle sits with Victus alongside him, swinging his legs and watching the two of you intently, “You look a Lord now nephew. Astride Goldsong you would be the envy of King’s Landing.”
“Not without the Black Knight of Malroy by my side,” you respond with a small smile.
“Aye. Not without him,” he draws off thoughts clearly to other places, “Brynden. We have a chance to practice before the Tourney in Highgarden, you could joust this time.”
Or rather actually engage in intrigue and the court you think to yourself. It was hardly a poor notion and you had the time to improve yourself but there was much to be learned from staying in Lord Arryns step as well, he was incredibly wise, despite what you suspected were strings of emotional attachment. Benjin would be happy for you to learn such, but you were unsure of where to focus your attentions entirely.
Time to spend some experience, you currently have 50 EXP.
50 will buy you a Destiny Point.
30 a rank in a Single Ability
10 a bonus die in a specialization.
As a note I’m probably going to cut back your EXP gain a bit, I think I run too much and the scale of time is far too slow for 10 EXP every thread. I’m not sure yet. We’ll see. Anyway, here have some discussion.
I try to avoid that. It gets overly complicated for how I try to run the quest.
Like I said, it absolutely has to happen if the daughter is to be considered raised as a noble. Dontos only relents because he agrees there is worth in the child in that sense. He simply does not want her near Steadhold. It took him awhile to come around to Victus and still refers to him as your bastard and calls him squire near constantly.
We want to go for a destiny point or should we get a rank in ability and two specializations?
Ability will probably pay off more in the long run, but if we can increase our melee competence or archery i am fine with either.
I suggest we forgo the joust. Goldsong is not as young as he used to be and this is new armor. It'll also take more than a month to get good enough at the joust not to be put on our ass against anyone serious, and we never know who might turn up to fuck with us.
I enjoy that you take his character so seriously. Yeah Dontos can be an absolute shit head sometimes. He'll go to the furthest stretch of his imagination to bring honor to the House but as soon as a woman is involved he folds.
Not to say he wouldn't 'do' his duty. He just does it so poorly and with such a lack of grace it usually ends in failure. And half of that is not actually him doing it on purpose.
Honestly, personal combat prowess is just too much of an XP sink. We NEED more Persuasion and can't afford to dick around playing at sellsword. 30 XP is raising persuasion.
We can get some extra Animal Handling after the end of this thread with our 10 xp per thread as well. (Tourney lances use Animal Handling for base damage, and staying in the saddle is by far the hardest check involved)
We still need to test animal handling to stay in the saddle when we get hit, which is basically the only hard part of Jousting.
We could either sink some Specialty dice in Ride to make us hardier in the Joust or get a full Dice to increase our damage slightly as well.
Animal Handling: 3.5 extra to stay in the saddle and 1xDoS harder for enemies to stay in
Ride: about 5 extra to stay in saddle, no bonus to taking out enemies.
Alright so Persuasion is the clear winner here. Looks like you'll be learning from the best with Lord Arryn.
That leaves us with 20 EXP to either sit on or use elsewhere. I will give one more thread of 10 EXP, this one. So it would be enough to get another ability. But I see some want for bonus die in Archery, Spears, etc. Thoughts?
We need Animal Handling. Boost it to 4
I just checked anydice, 3B in ride barely gives anything above boosting Animal Handling to 4 and increasing the skill rather then the specialty increases our damage while jousting as well
Yeah alright, I'll just give you guys the extra 10 now. Let us boost Animal Handling to 4, it seems to be the popular option anyway. That means we'll do a lot of practicing with Dontos over the next year or so.
This alright with everybody?
Hell I even do in my real life game. I just them for flavor mostly.
It's the 'lordly' thing to do, you don't exactly catch many Lords competing in the Archery Contest.
Anyway, I'll give this a write up. Guess we'll go talk to Mason and Wesley next.
>I think the GoT quests have kind of univerally agreed that the stance system is kind of silly and to just use straight rolls
I think Harrock used it. (I think- it was a long time ago.)
“Wouldn’t you rather have me learning from Lord Arryn, Uncle?” you ask, taking a seat with a degree of difficulty.
He grimaces slightly, “I am still weary of his hand in any of our affairs Brynden. I was only eager to accept his offer because of what it would do for our House.”
“Be that as it may Dontos I could learn a thing or… Twelve from him in the court of Dorne. You and Benjin are constantly harping me about being more the Lord, well there you go,” you respond and pause to construct your next thought, “That isn’t to say I wouldn’t like to begin learning. You know I’ve always been dreadful at jousting, if nothing else I could learn to ride better from it.”
“And not ride like some deranged Dothraki high in your saddle, aye,” he says ands nods being somewhat happy, “We’ll bring Penance and Goldsong along to Dorne with us then, no doubt we’ll have some private moments to practice.”
During this conversation Wesley and Mason have entered the armory, the former going for his armor, mostly having to fit it to himself alone, he could use a squire you think. Mason however begins to chat with Steely Pate about a new set for himself, something to represent his personal arms, the garnet gamecock on a field of black and the smith begins to take measurements with his usual grumbled acceptance.
“Cousin that is a finer suit than I have ever seen,” Wesley says rearing up to your side examining the make of it, “My brother only wishes to look so fine in his own plate, ugly yellow thing it is.”
“Not that it matters though,” Mason calls, “If it doesn’t stand up in a fight, what’s the good of it?”
Wesley regards you fully and a smile crawls about his lips, “What say you cousin? A bit of a spar to try it out?”
>Spar with Ser Wesley Hayford
>Do not instead get to the reason your two knights wished to speak to you
Yeah it did, Artys is the least melee oriented MC and he did okay at that(from an imporverished House and a Lord with not many training/experience).
Best Jouster as of now is Karban since he's greatest achievement was unhorsing Robert back when he was fit and not the drunkard he is now.
Bordain got #rekt by Willas(right?) Tyrell which is the god tier jouster to Jaime's god tier swordman
Best jouster in general is Bordain, but Karban had the single greatest tilt ever, comparable to us winning the Archery competition with a dinky recurve.
>Dat straight sixes vs Bobby B
Don't bother, its not going to be time sensitive if they offered to spar. We're safe at home now, nothing is on fire.
Do you even reading comprehension? Karban unhorsed Bobby B when Robert was fit and not fat.
>unhorsing Robert back when he was fit and not the drunkard he is now.
Maybe I should have typed the drunkard he will become?
You laugh a moment and fix your eyes on your cousin’s, “Let’s have it then Wesley.”
Across the yard you see Wesley suiting up fully, placing his helmet on and Ser Victor’s squire Lorry helping him attach it in place. Victus helps yourself and you notice a small crowd gathering about. The Loyal Bows, the Sons, and a few of the Household Guard, a further still amount of the Knights that had followed after you in hopes of service show as well, you see Ser Wat and his blue shield talking with Ser Duncan. Hopefully this time you wouldn’t embarrass yourself as fully as the time you fought Dontos.
Dontos comes to the middle of the field alongside, Mason behind him only half dressed in his plate, the rest being too beaten to be of us, he raises a hand. You draw your sword from the scabbard. He calls your attention. Your shield comes up. And he drops. For a moment you think to charge, use to the ease of movement that your old armor afford but instead you move slowly, methodically, while Wesley comes into you like a storm. The field was still wet from the morning storms, though not enough to flood, but just so much that the wrong step would leave you in the mud. He rounds his attack and swings his sword at you, you catch it on the tip of your shield and push it away, digging into the ground for a footing before mounting your response.
Roll 5d6 for Fighting.
Success, two degrees.
You sword sails effortlessly as it might have once, and you crunch into his shield, his arm almost faltering. Your next motion is a quick dance to his side, catching his retort with your shield again and pushing it to the side. Lashing into his defense you score a solid hit on his side and he grips at he raises his guard to the ribs that were still only partially healed. He presses into you, hoping to score a hit himself and you play at swords like children would for a moment. His attacks are practiced and well thought, but he keeps in step far too much, his routine was too obvious unlike Dontos’.
You think that he’s going to smash into your shield again but he catches you unaware eating into your shoulder with an overhead strike that crunches into the new pauldrons but rolls off without too much issue. He grunts in response and keeps his defense on his side going, dancing around you a moment careful of his footing.
You press into him again, you did not have the advantage of your eyes, the helmet obscuring them to a degree. But you sat fixed on him, fixed and focused.
Roll 5d6 for Fighting.
Success, two degree.
This time you do not allow him the advantage however, instead lashing into a flurry of blows against his guarded side, attempting to get inside his guard. He holds firm, but falters a moment when you smash your own shield into his attempting to knock it away. His footing slips and you launch into further assault, scoring a glancing blow on his opposite side and playing at swords with him a few others before finally catching him off guard and smashing into the hurt side with a direct blow from the blunted sword. This is enough to send him reeling, his sword dropped into the mud you had kicked up and his footing going out from him entirely. He falls onto his back, and pulls for his helmet, wanting of air, allowing his curls to be soiled by the mud below.
You stand over him with sword in hand pointed at his chest, a smile on your face, “Yield cousin?” your voice echoes inside the enclosed helmet, seeming deeper for it.
“Yes I…” he inhales a fair bit, “I yield Brynden. I bloody yield. Well fought.”
Removing your own helmet, you begin to laugh and go to help Wesley up. He still had the folly of youth in his mind, he was a fine Knight no doubt, but you had a half a decade on him of fighting, regardless of armor choice. He grips at his side, and cursing at it, sending Lorry and Ser Victor to gather Benjin to look at it again. It had healed properly, but ribs were always tricky.
Mason comes over and helps you led Wesley to a pavilion off to the side as the rest of your household goes back to task. They hadn’t a chance to exercise in awhile and you hardly faulted them for it even in the poor conditions the field was in. You watch as Ser Wat and Duncan spar a small bit, the elder Knight having a clear advantage. Curtis Flowers is with the Loyal Bows, helping them get use to their new equipment. You noticed a flurry of black arrows every few moments, they must have painted them to match your own, and you smile for it.
“Brynden. May I be frank with you?” Mason’s asks, taking a swallow of wine from a skin and handing it to you.
“Of course Mason,” you respond, eyes still fixed on your military.
“I’m… Discontented with our current military strength, Brynden. We have only steel that we can purchase, weapons much the same. Steadhold is held by footed archers and a barely trained garrison. The Sons are capable, but not against an army. Rumors are still about, Royce would turn us into mincemeat without a proper army.”
“I have to agree cousin,” Wesley says, still short of breath, “The Knights from the Melee is a good start, but we need to focus on filling out our ranks. Pikemen, infantry, anything really. And they need to be trained properly as well as outfitted. You had all this wealth to spare yet none of it went to protecting Steadhold. No purchase of smiths, or ways to refine my family’s leathers or the Longwaters’ iron. The people would worry you only care for coin, not what sits on your border.”
You chew on the thought a moment before speaking, “And what should I do?”
“Refocus your efforts,” Mason says simply, “You’re a Lord aye, but if the Second Sons had so blatantly forgotten the need for quality steel in their hands or new men to fill out the ranks do you honestly think they would have lasted?”
You sit and stare out at your paltry force, suddenly aware of how little you really did have. In truth you had neglected it a moment, your focus was on the power necessary to bring Knights to your cause, but in doing so you allowed the rest of your force to suffer, “I… Thank you. Both. I’ll keep this council in mind,” you say forcing a smile. It worried you that your own military advisors would question your decisions, even if one of them had been his idea. What would your actual forces think? Or rather the smallfolk. In sat poorly in your mind, and you begged leave to escape your armor and begin thought elsewhere.
The rest of the month goes by smoothly, you have prepared as much as you can for the voyage to Dorne, the final touches coming in the days leading up to it. Though as per usual at the beginning of the month you had need of addressing your House and her needs.
Roll 7d6 for House Fortunes.
I'm trying to get us up right to leaving off for Dorne tonight. With intentions of the Illiad thread in between.
We should aim for a smith as our next investment, but for now we can get simple weapons like spears made in bulk, since thats literally a point on a stick, local smithys can manufacture them by the bushel load. Wooden shields will be quicker and cheaper to make with the timber mill as well.
On our leave we should instruct who ever we leave behind to begin propperly drafting levy spearmen and prepping their equipment and trainning.
Both a 26 and 27 are a Blessing. Good stuff.
So as before, 1d3 to two resources or 1d6 to one.
You do have your payment due this month, but you have the extra Wealth to spare at present. So, thoughts?
Wealth and Power of course. You can't not take wealth and we need the power to make up for our flagging military.
Hopefully we can stop wasting our power on combining unit types and just get some nice plain Infantry
Yet again, should have expected as much. +4 to Power, giving you 5. Usable really.
Next up is Wealth. 1d3+1d6, we'll do the former first as per usual lads. Give me 1d3.
Oh for fucks sake. Alright +9 to Wealth this month, -1 for your Debt. Leaving you with 12 usable Wealth. Joy.
So between that and the 5 usable Power anything in particular we would like to invest in?
I'm no expert in this system by any means, but from a flavour perspective i'd like to see us invest in some guerillas.
They say Royce is harassing people? Let's harass his glorified bandits with stealth troops who don't bear our sigil.
So basically Pikemen is exactly the same as Infantry, except 1 power cheaper in exchange for less discipline when flanked?
I like it, lets spend our 5 power and 2 wealth converted for a Trained Pikemen
Nah, we need to let Royce continue, then contact the surrounding lords who are suffering.
Prodding him now gains us nothing.
Once we have enough people we can bring our greevances to the court with our new lawyer and get cracking.
Alright the Artisan (Mastersmith) holding is a 10 Wealth cost.
And I see some different thoughts about unit types going around. So let's settle on which first
>Pikemen, per >>43218153
Can we just stop making all these derpy Calvary+X combo units? They are about as inefficient as you can get and are really really wasteful. Personal Guard aren't for open war, they are there to have a posse follow you around and beat the shit out of individuals you don't like.
Archers+Calvary is just a waste of power. Don't any of you play D&D? Haven't you heard of MAD? Making them separate units gets you more bang for your buck.
>Stats are derived from the training portion of a units power cost
>Adding types does basically nothing
>Also reduces your total number of units meaning you get fewer subcommander slots.
Pikemen are inflexable and weak when unsupported, but very strong in defense.
We could use them as our first men to hold home while we are out, but we shant expect them to do anything but hold ground, not fend off raids or attacks.
Nah on the smith.
Are the leatherworks the same price?
Horse archers are probably one of the most powerful historical units in terms of versitility and effectiveness, Especially raiding vs larger units and armys. Coupled with a static line like pikemen to work off of they would be extrodinarily effective in open field fights.
They are pretty much the only unit other than crossbowmen that i want to get as a special.
Two of those were basically my decision. I like to play with the unit types a bit more to add flavor to combat because I don't follow strictly to the rules of mass combat.
And ranked up Personal Guards are basically Knights of Quality. That's the reason they're being used in such a way.
I'm sorry I suppose. I just run things differently.
Personal Guard and Guerrillas are very good units in non-open war scenarios. Their specialty is in killing individuals, not armies. We're gearing for open army-on-army clashing with Royce. That means Pikemen, Cavalry, Archers, and Engineers/Catapults.
Maybe you should pay attention to the system we are using rather than going armchair general.
I hadn't realized it was QM discretion, sorry. It's actually kind of flavorful that we wasted a ton of our power circlejerking over >Muh Knights rather then making a proper fighting force. Very in-character.
I actually really dislike how type combinations work in the system and how inefficient they make it. The only thing adding types does is give more abilities you CAN invest xp in rather then give XP, which is granted by the "training level" half of the power cost. Maybe if a portion of the power spend on unit types also was converted into XP?
Each point of power in training gives 1 ability rank, perhaps 1 ability rank per 2 power invested in unit types?
When you're limited to 50 Knights and one of the best is in your employ, the idea is enticing. Not to mention the fluff that comes with, prestige is attached to having a larger retinue of Knights. And holding the Melee is another way to make the House look like it isn't down and out. Brynden tends to get focused on one idea, it's the same principal behind the Archers+Cavalry, he focused on his own strengths to make a fighting force that was his own.
That being said, in general I like to make Cavalry tied to something, outside of just plain Cav for that sole purpose. I think it makes sense more often than not.
Just my view on it. I'm not even particularly fond of the subcommander stuff personally.
I've never had any issues with it. A played of mine likes to do that quite often, it's where the Horse Archer stuff came from originally. and he usually does quite well.
Anyway, that's a go on the Mastersmith holding, hurrah. Roll is for build time, as per usual.
And it looks like Infantry won out there, but now the question is, what level of training, for 1 more power we'll have a green unit. If you convert another resource into Power; Influence, Law or Population at a 1:1 you could make it at least a Trained, but that'll require 2. Your guys call.
Absolutely possible, it just takes a month per point of upgrade. i.e. Green to Trained is 2 months.
In fact Royce has been doing this a lot.
I have no idea why you would do that.
Alright easy enough then.
Stat spreadsheet updated. I'll need to come up with a character for the Mastersmith here and update the Military spreadsheet later.
Now you have exactly half the strength Royce does.
That plot thread is about to started, I promise. It's why I'm trying to get everything settled in Steadhold so next thread we'll be on our way to Dorne.
Father, could you stat a unit for me? I've no good understanding of this system, I just love GoT and the quests in it.
The basic idea is a force of men with myrish crossbows or good bows and parvises, hopefully supplemented by some kind of engineers to build trenches and stakes. Ideally, they would fire from the trenches, slide the parvises over to cover them, reload, and fire again. Shields stop return fire(mostly) and engineers help stop Calvary charges.
Wait a sec, we can convert Influence to Power at 1:1? We actually get more of a resource gain bonus for Influence then Power
I don't think we actually get anything for having Influence in the bank. Let's just start converting like a motherfucker and getting some warm bodies in armor
Royce is built like a PC house and has been building up and specializing in military to fight us while we piss away our power on special snowflake knights.
It's game over if it comes to open war. We need allies.
Well we could have our archer units carry mallets as their melee weapon, which could then be used alongisde wooden stakes to make their own minefield (ie dug trap/earthworks, not explosive works).
Crossbows are better for mass draft units as a simple yet easy weapon to give to conscripts in a place they won't just flee from.
Its also suicide for him to go to open war while we are under the hand of the king.
Couple this with his lands bandit problem and you have the interesting conundrum of if we can keep him from launching an attack, eventually his supplys for his men is going to dry up, and then he is fucked.
Which means they are open game if they step out of his lands. Any large force movement is an open invitation for us to contact the surrounding lords, petition the court, then gang fuck the little prick's army from the face of the world.
Your monthly council meeting is a smaller affair, you only had need of Wesley, Mason, Dontos and Benjin. The latter most ensures you a friend in Oldtown would know just the place to find a smith of master quality, while your more military minded members were glad to hear that you were actively pursuing military might. The smallfolk could easily be pulled from for this venture and more than a few men-at-arms still lingered about King’s Landing pissing away money on drink with no master to hold their leash. You have them send out an open call and they begin to filter in here and there, a few of your more trained military members whipping them into an actual force.
You leave off with Mason at your side, he suggests members of your Household to Captain the new unit settling on Ser Lucas and Ser Duncan, though you had no idea of either’s leadership qualities. Ser Lucas had spoken to perhaps bringing some of his Household’s men over, just to stave off any unwanted attention, though you hadn’t given him a response as of yet. So for now you sat and chewed the decision over.
Elionwy catches up to the both of you, interlacing her arm into Mason’s and holding a vial of dark ink in front of your face. Your month ritual to maintain the jet black mantle you now wore rather than the silver of your blood. You frown, the thought had been on your mind to stop. They could not harm you now that your foundation was so solid, let it be known you are one of the last sons of old Valyria. She shakes it gaining your attention again and gives you a knowing eye, as if she was anticipating your denial. Your hair would be rid of the black come time to leave for King’s Landing in a few weeks, if you so desired.
>Wash the black out, and allow those silver locks to flow
>Keep your hair dyed black
Well he made an assumption that we wouldn't show up to reclaim the house, and it almost played out well. If we weren't around he'd have a legitimate claim to the house, and Robert is willing to forgive pretty much anything of those that fought for him in his rage and grief.
Hell at this point I think it was probably an explicit plan, kill off our family, kidnap the new heiress and get Robert to sign off on it.
“No, not this month,” you state simply.pushing her hand away gently.
“No?” Mason repeats, stopping alongside your mute stewardess. She has a look of abject horror in her eyes, as if you just signed off on the murder of a child.
“Yes, no. I’ve nothing more to fear. Lord Velaryon will be there with his hair of silver as well. The Crown by damned, I need not play to them for mercy.”
Mason shrugs his shoulders, though seems uncomfortable by the grip Elionwy has upon his arm now, casting her a confused glance and lipping the word, “What?”
She shakes her head furiously, telling you no and for the absolute life of you cannot figure out why. Did she have something to fear? Did Varys tell her not to allow you? As you stand bewildered Mason attempts to calm her down, catching her chin and whispering to her. Her eyes flash between the two of you and she escapes his grip, running off.
“What in the Seven Hells was that Mason?”
“I’ve no idea Brynden. She’s never acted like that before. I mean we all know she’s spying on us, but it’s more of an open secret than anything. Think the Spider has vested interest in your hair being black?”
“I can’t imagine why… I’m not sure, but I certainly don’t care. Keep an eye on her Mason. I know you already intended to stay for the trip. But make sure nothing… Brash occurs, yeah?”
“Of course Brynden,” your old friend says with a confused glance, and he stomps off after the Myrwoman.
You were allowed only a group of five. Yourself and Dontos included. As you put together the rest of your belongings for the trip with the help of a servant you think upon who else to bring. Ser Lucas Longwaters and Ser Wesley Hayford seemed acceptable, but you did not know who else. It easily would have been Illiad had he been around but it simply wasn’t an option presently.
Slumping into your mind your mind whirls a moment longer and you think of a suggestion of your Maester. Of gifts. You did not know if it would be necessary, and the Dornish were not as easily amused by trinkets of Essos. But you still had your horses. Your jaw cracks as you chew on the thought and you close your eyes wishing such simple things did not cause you angst.
>Who all would you like to bring along with you to Dorne?
Victus as a squire does not count as a person, so he’ll be coming along regardless.
>Gifts? For whom, if so?
Lucas and Wesley maybe Duncan?
As for gifts bring a gold haired horse for our host, some myrish lace for his wife or daughter maybe some black arrows as a heat for a younger son?
>Horses for Oberyn and Doran
I dunno, I thought Dorne was famous for their horses as well. Would implying ours are better be a slight?
We're also giving away so many as gifts we won't have any left by the end of the year.
>Who all would you like to bring along with you to Dorne?
Yourself, Dontos, Lucas, Wesley, and throw in Benjin, we might need some info dump from him in dorne.
>Gifts? For whom, if so?
Oberyn and Doran
Something for the passing of their sister.
You settle on a simple gift, Gawen assured you that two Horses of the Rare Bloodline would be ready for the trip, though still ponies, they were finer gifts than any other you had to offer. The Sand Steeds of Dorne would legendary, but your horses just as fast, and able to carry heavily armored men to boot. No doubt they would end up being regifted and you would need to geld them to avoid your bloodlines spreading without your knowledge, but in truth, simple.
You pace through the rest of your items, simple pleasantries, you had been made aware that Prince Doran’s wife was of Essos so you settled on your bolt of myrish silk. And you thought of something for his daughter, but nothing in particular came to mind, perhaps you would think of it when you came to King’s Landing. Much the same went for the other thought upon your mind, Lady Obella. You think a moment, it was unlikely you would see her, but the possibility remained, a token perhaps. You remuage about your treasures and find a rather large piece of onyx that had yet to be shaped. Large enough for a ring you think, a band of red gold. You scratch off instructs of its shape and send it with a servant to deliver to King’s Landing for a jeweler.
And then you settle again, thoughts on your retinue. Lucas and Wesley were locks. So Victus and Grant Conklyn as well. Upon thought you decide it best to bring Maester Benjin as well, he was your extent of knowledge of Westeros and no doubt would be invaluable. You smile and fall back into your bed, happy for the sweet embrace of the fresh sheets and drift off.
-A few weeks later-
King’s Landing looked no worse for wear from the storm that had only stopped a month prior, a few bits had been flooded, but nothing major. Your trip was easy, quick and you found yourself in the presence of many colors and Lords of the Realm. The North, Reach, Vale, Westerlands, Stormlands, and yourself among the Crownlands. You were shuttled onto one of the many boats, sharing it with Lord Rykker, a man you did not know. Though would come to. A few days prior you had been met by a Knight of the Vale in Steadhold, his cadre of men sent by Lord Arryn as promised. And it granted relief. But now, you stood looking east, your once again silvered hair catching in the sea breeze, upon a ship sailing south. In service to the Hand of the King. In service to the realm.
-End Chapter XIII-
So sorry about the lack of content in this thread. I knew a lot of it was going to be about tying up small loose ends and just time skipping to the Voyage to Dorne where the real action is.
We did do a lot of House related stuff, my god we did a lot of that. And I knew you guys were itched to finally get that done.
Anyway. Before the thread falls off. Next thread is Monday, October 26 at 2PM EST. And that will be the Illiad thread. I actually wanted to run that today since I had it all ready now, but I figured this was smarter. We're going to do some delving into Illiad's past and find out he wasn't entirely honest about Illion's situation. It'll be fun.
So thank you all for playing tonight. As per usual. We'll get a lot more action in the next two threads. Promise.
>we're in the shit for changing our hair back aren't we?
Well, i'm sure Varys enjoyed the idea of having another well-known black haired womaniser knocking around King's Landing to give him an excuse to stalk around after black haired kids.
Us going back to silver means that's not going to work.
>We're going to do some delving into Illiad's past and find out he wasn't entirely honest about Illion's situation.
It's honestly best for Arryn. Now he has a representative with growing influence and power, as well as essosi flair and silver hair to talk to Martell in his band. Arryn will be clicking his heels in private company.
There's probably much more to it, but that's all that occurs to me without getting out my conspiracy corkboard, pins and string.
Arryn is probably ecstatic, yes. But he might be less so when we betray him in Dorne and take him captive with the Martells to get leverage over the throne and raise the free cities in support of Viserys to get ninepenny all up in this Quest.
Sort of. But not from the people you would expect. Spoiler, it doesn't matter if you dye it back now, the cat is out of the bag.
Yeah... It'll be a riot. I'm looking forward to it.
Arryn is 100 percent fine with it. He doesn't care, means to an end.
Yes, I think that's correct. I'll need to do some research into it. I had forgotten about her until someone mentioned it. I may need to rework a couple things.
>She has a look of abject horror in her eyes, as if you just signed off on the murder of a child.
Did we just kill a baby that somebody thought was ours, but was actually Baratheon's/Stark's?
You were gone for a solid 7 years, and a second son to boot. In the scheme of things, irrelevant. So yeah, a lot of people had absolutely no idea. Varys wanted to keep it that way.
Huh? No, not at all.
I can give it a try. I only have about 4 homebrewed units. So I'll see if I can make something of it. No promises though.
Oh and whomever was posting the charts, thank you. I'm way too lazy to do that myself. But I really should start.
And as an aside to the people a bit miffed with me about using up all of our Power on combined units. Would Lucas Longwaters bringing a contingent of Trained Infantry over to serve your Household and not count against your total help? Because I'll allow it.
You are simply describing Archers equipped with the Mantlets upgrade, giving them protection from marksmanship attacks at the cost of movement(and wealth),
Engineers can build fortifications if they have six hours of preptime before a battle, giving units a bonus to defense.
>You were gone for a solid 7 years, and a second son to boot. In the scheme of things, irrelevant. So yeah, a lot of people had absolutely no idea. Varys wanted to keep it that way.
Man, it would really detract from the authenticity of a "baby Aegon whisked away at the last minute and raised in secrecy across the narrow sea" if the nobles of Westeros were privy to the fact that any old petty lord might have silver hair... and be inclined to have bastards floating around.
It would suck if people were already planning on trying to pull that ruse more than a decade down the line.
Hell, they'd suddenly have a lot less use for this hypothetical kid they were grooming.
For all the anons out there who want to lay down stakes against cavalry, note that they system already has rules for it.
When a permanent structure is not available, you can construct temporary
fortifications, such as ditches, stakes, earthen ramparts, and so on.
Any unit can assemble temporary fortifications, provided they have at
least six hours before the battle begins. These fortifications can provide
protection for just one unit. So long as the unit occupies the temporary
fortification, it gains a +1 bonus to Defense. If the fortification was
constructed by an engineer unit, the bonus increases to +2.
This is why I get so upset at people trying to suggest tactics by parroting military history they learned on /tg/. They instantly think that namedropping Agincourt means they can build literally invincible units out of nowhere.
Fair enough. It may happen at some point regardless. Seeing as they are your allies proper.
Spoiler, it wasn't going to help much anyway, between the three Houses they have at least x10 as many troops as you.
That being said, you do have the better troops, more veterans and diversity to allow more complex strategy. I promise you the Knights will be worthwhile.
Oh look there you go. Yeah I wasn't really sure if there was a way to do that in terms of a unit.
I like that this theory floats around from time to time. But I made a very large point that the Valyrian features only come in ones with the Malroys. There has never been a purple eyed, silver haired Malroy. Though the emerald green that is common is just as dazzling.
Yes archers do tend to be hard to hit when they are behind a line of Pikemen, and Mantlets are quite good and making units more defensible against enemy archers, especially combined with fortification. Of course that means you need advance warning and can't move around, so it's mostly restricted to when you are on the defensive.
Unless the enemy has catapults. Then they go squish. But catapults make everything go squish
>fucking Iron&Hate's catapults
Those things are beasts, shame they cost so much. Destroying veteran units with one hit.
Wonder if we could make a couple small warships if we get a port going. How many ballista/scorpions do you think you could fit on one?
>Get Engineers and Scorpions
>Assassinate enemy commanders using the "target single character rule"
Literally the only way we could win against Royce in open combat. Armies break and run if they are left commanderless.
Safe to say almost all projectile from House Malroy will be painted black now. It's just too good to pass up.
If you build a Port. After building Steadhold's Outer Ring back up to a Small Town, which is the ultimate end goal for it being back to former glory plus some. Then yes, you can make some warships. Long ways off that though. Assuming you guys don't dump all the House Fortune Rolls into Lands of course.
So was it always intended for open war with Royce to be unwinnable or is it due to us not investing enough in sane, practically minded armies?
It's not even all the unwinnable if they only have green and trained infantry/archers/cavalry. The system massively rewards Elite troops, especially cavalry and siege weapons. It's still pretty unwinnable considering our pisspoor Warfare 3, lack of engies and siege weaponry, and lack of proper archers and cavalry in favor of combined durdle versions of archercavalry
As to avoid spoiling anything I'll give somewhat of an answer.
It was meant to dissuade any rash courses of actions. As was the troop limit. Character wise, I could see Brynden taking whatever he had and rolling up to Red Tower ready to kill, at any time. But to do so would be suicidal.
The addition of House Langward and Blount to the equation was meant to further dissuade action after a marriage. Which I had not would be Celtigar, my own fault. But I decided to keep that to force the issue with you guys.
The situation at present? Unwinnable. No denying it. If you attacked him.
But now it comes down to deciding how we handle this, throw everything at Wealth and Power to make sure we can at the very least match him? Or continue to rebuild the House, Steadhold, the lands and population, hoping to outlast him.
It's me making the decisions harder of what to pursue, Wesley and Mason were my voice on let's give a little focus to military and you guys got the ball rolling on 'oh fuck we haven't done anything.'
It's meant to be difficult. And in truth I do not see your combined units as 'useless' in any way shape or form. Royce uses them as well.
So we're on page 11 and still alive. Well that's weird.
Anyway, goodnight all. I will see you on Monday for some Adventures in Myr. Featuring characters I now realize I need to write backstory for.