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Excellent. Just download GW´s "how to fold a space craft" and you can actually do that with the box that came with the lizards!
Now you got yourself a cool looking space craft to go with you're space lizards, and go "Whrryyyyy" when ever you enter a table!
In all seriousness though (thats as far as possible from AoS as you can get), no, It seems like a good start.
Chaos giant I guess. Speaking of, a friend donated a pewter alternative greater demon model to me the other week (despite me playing Brets) which is a blatant knockoff of Horny. May have to stick it together at some point.
What do you guys reckon is the best idea to base my Giant conversion off of?
I've split it into an Araby Giant, a Cathay Giant or a Mountains of Mourn Giant, and I dunno which will probably look the best.
So now that lizardmen have been rebased, does anyone know of some good 3rd party options for square bases? I don't plan to play AoS, and round bases are going to make formations a pain in the ass.
Describe the three concepts in detail?
Speaking of recasters, does anyone know if any of them do Fantasy models? Just occured me to to look for Ushabti and Blood Knights
Z does fantasy models. Here is where you'll find infor: https://www.reddit.com/r/yoyhammer
Stickied at the top is Z's current catalog. It contains four pdfs, for AoS/WHFB, 40k, ForgeWorld, and random bitz and bases. If you google around you'll find how to actually order.
Also I can help with questions and such, although I don't have any recasts myself so if you're looking for reviews just use the search function on that subreddit.
I was going to make him look sunburnt with a green stuff shawl thing around his head. That, plus using a few spare shields from my historic minis along his arms and a dune base.
I am thinking of having one of legs sunken into a dune, but on the other hand, I want him to be squishing a skeleton as he walks.
I was going to use some left over piping to make a false barrel under one of his arms after bending it into place. So he'd be carrying around a barrel of rice wine, along side a bunch of minor bits and pieces made out of Jade.
I dunno what other pieces to add to make it more 'Cathanian' in appearance.
>Mountains of Mourn
Kinda like pic related.
Do you have brain problems lad?
Not to my knowledge. The only codex that they've ever gotten has been a fan codex, so anybody plying them is most likely doing it with their mates, and the army is most likely made out of historical miniatures rather than anything official.
There was a Cathay warband for the Bordertown Burning supplement for Mordheim but only a few people ever made a force since you have to scratchbuild all the models.
It's a shame that the Southlands and everything east of the Mountains of Mourn have never been documented.
I know that the Nehekarans originated there, considering that there is that Vampiric city along the eastern coastline somewhere, but did the Dwarfs actually originate from there?
I thought they were inserted directly into the World Edge mountains?
I'll have to look through my books to find the line, but I am almost completely positive that the dwarfs originated in the Southlands and snaked their way up the Worlds Edge Mountains and founded their first holds during the time of Grugni, Grimnir and Valaya.
Found it. 7th edition Dwarfs army book.
>>The first dwarfs migrated northward from their ancestral homelands in the southern part of the Worlds Edge Mountains. This all happened so long ago that it is impossible to say exactly when the dwarfs began their journey or how long it took them to reach the lands they now inhabit.
The Worlds Edge Mountains extend all the way from the Sea of Chaos to the very southern tip of the Southlands, so I can only assume they came from somewhere in that part of the world.
Karak Zorn. It's apparently rich with gold and ivory, but contact with the hold was lost centuries ago. Nobody knows what happened to it, but savage orcs and near-feral lizardmen surround it. It's the stuff of legend and hyperbole.
Lahmia and further down the east coastline are all Vampire cities.
Just buy them from bits resselers, bitsworld is a good place to find them in lots of 20.
I've heard people play it on vassal and virtual table top.
Why isn't Z responding to my emails, neither is CCON for that matter.
I just want to buy some bolt throwers and stormfiends.
You mean wildriders, wildriders are amazing and compete with dark elf warlocks for the best fast Calvary in the game.
>mfw 3 S5 armor piercing attacks on the charge that re roll 1 to wound if you're in a forest each.
Sisters of the thorn aren't exactly bad either though.
Recasters can take a long time to respond to people. Typically the larger your order is the faster you'll get a response, but it's often a few days at minimum and commonly over a week or two. Give it time and don't pester them more than once every 2 weeks or so.
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Which FFG game is better for someone new to the setting
You'll learn a lot more from Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay than Invasion or Chaos in the Old World but all three are great and don't require prior knowledge, though you'll certainly get more out of them if you have it.
Hmmmm, I'd pick up Invasion then. Chaos in the Old World is fun but unbalanced in favor of Khorne, and Invasion has all kinds of content that can be added on. Lots of expansions and small boosters and stuff.
So I have done some reading and I ran across something interesting. Half Daemons.
Be'lakor raped thousands of women from different races and fathered many children.
A Great Unclean One tried to rape and impregnate a woof elf woman in the Orion book
A Nurglite character in the End Times is a half daemon who was born from the "union" between his witch-mother and a Great Unclean one.
The True Beastmen in the south pole have no human blood in them. They are the spawn of beasts and daemons.
How is it possible for daemons who are energy creatures to impregnate mortal women?
Azhag the Slaughterer. An Orc warboss who wore Nagash's Crown of Sorcery. It gave him the ability to cast spells from the Lore of Death and whispered him tactics. He was killed by a Grand Master of the Knights Panther.
In End Times Khaine, all the Elven Kings rose from the grave to fight for their people one more time. All them except Aenarion. The stated reason behind this is that he owed nothing to his people.
What does that mean?
I haven't read End Times because it's a bucket of shit, but I can imagine because he lost his wife and his children (or so he thought) and drew the Sword of Khaine. He made a huge sacrifice, both that of his own life and his bloodline. Aenarion already gave so much when he and Indraugnir died on the Blighted Isle.
I still think it's an absolute crock of shit that Malekith was supposedly the 'true king'. It just doesn't make sense.
Huh. The possibility of Daemonic sperm being a thing is hilarious on multiple levels.
To be fair, all the army books have their own bias. It isn't entirely out of the realm of possibility that Malekith was meant to be the Phoenix King, but to claim that the High Elves put a hex on the flames is like when the politician you voted for didn't win and you blame the guy who did.
True, but I dislike it on the grounds of how they established the difference between the Dark Elves and High Elves.
To the Druchi, the worship of Khaine and the rule of Malekith is basically one in the same, with the rule of strength basically ensuring that the strongest person is in power with no challenges that can be placed before them. With the Asur, the worship of Asuryan is basically the difference in civility between the two, in that his rule is by the divine right of kingship and the blessings of the gods, rather than the simple strength of the individual in question, which lent itself into a neat discussion over the ideological differences between the Druchi and Asur.
>I still think it's an absolute crock of shit that Malekith was supposedly the 'true king'. It just doesn't make sense.
He was the true king in the sense that he at least attempted to enter the flames unprotected, but was too weak and had to bail out. The Phoenix Kings that followed didn't even attempt to do what Aenarion succeeded in doing or Malekith attempted to.
To me it comes off as a better and more nuanced explanation than him simply not being pure enough. Malekith was a good guy at one point and he only became evil through a combination of his own failings and Morathi's manipulations. Funny how he finally becomes kind after telling her to fuck off.
In light of remembering this, I'm going to say that the reason Aenarion didn't return is because he had already done enough for the Elves.
I'd argue as I said before anon
Malekith not being the actual Phoenix King and his reaction to not being said king is interesting in that it provides the basis for the actual ideological split between Asur and Druchi in the first place, and while the argument can be made that at least he tried, I still don't think he was actually worthy of being the king, because if so, it just makes Asuryan an utter prick at best, what with the condoning of slavery, mass civil war and other such nastiness, and nothing but an expy of Khaine at worse.
>it just makes Asuryan an utter prick at best, what with the condoning of slavery, mass civil war and other such nastiness, and nothing but an expy of Khaine at worse.
Elves are dicks, didn't you get the memo?
Besides, since drawing the blade the bloodlines been cursed.
>it just makes Asuryan an utter prick at best, what with the condoning of slavery, mass civil war and other such nastiness, and nothing but an expy of Khaine at worse.
The thing is....
Asuryan is a pragmatic sort and is willing to do whatever it takes to combat Chaos and ensure the Elven cycle continues on.
Khaine is the selfish sort that commits horrible acts for no other purpose than his own pleasure.
>it just makes Asuryan an utter prick at best, what with the condoning of slavery, mass civil war and other such nastiness
I don't recall Asuryan ever being said to be a strictly benevolent god and I believe he actually encompassed both good and evil.
Why I think he waited around for Malekith is part pragmatism as the Anon above stated and part that Malekith was the only one besides Aenarion who tried going through the fire unprotected. If another Phoenix King had eschewed magical protection before walking through the flames, he very well may have chosen them.
Malekith also did sort of change for the better once he became Phoenix King, granted this was probably because, and I believe the book even affirms this, he realized the HE were not going to put up with the shit he pulled as Witch King.
A quick question about lore, if I may.
How does Chaos work in warhammer fantasy?
Does any of the 40k stuff (the four gods and such) have any basis in fantasy, or are they different "universes" altogether?
>Khirne being about honourable combat as well as bloody butchery.
This comes up regularly. Followers of Khorne may have a martial code of honor or something like that. But Khorne himself doesn't care at all as long as you keep spilling blood in his name how you do it.
i honestly don't get what the fuck you're on about
here's a picture of malekith from the 6th edition army book, from 2001
Right listen up, son
Malekith was a High Elf prince. After Aenarion, his father, died, Malekith expected the throne to pass to him. The other princes passed him over in favour of someone else, can't remember his name.
Malekith abided by the decision for a while, but then lured all the princes to the Shrine of Asuryan, murdered them, then walked into the Flame of Asuryan to prove he was worthy, but surprisingly enough fire burns.
Cue the civil war, Malekith eventually love, and he and his followers flee to Naggoroth.
This is all coming from the 6th edition army book by Gav Thorpe. So fuck up.
The WHFB and 40k gods aren't any different. Actually, the ONLY piece of lore about Khorne being what most'd consider honorable (him sending flesh hounds to hunt down those who murder a helpless innocent) comes from a 40k publication, Renegades 2e for Adeptus Titanicus (sp).
I'd also argue that Chaos is sometimes less of a doozy in 40k than WHFB -- you wind up in the same place, but there's no direct analog (in terms of it just being chaos corruption) to Chaos Warriors, where you lose your memories.
I'd have to take your word on it, but we do know for a fact that they are books for the WHFB setting and have rules for WHFB and not AoS, ie they're relevant to WHFB more than AoS.
>Recently got into Warhammer after seeing Doomwheel model in my local gamestore
>Literally no experience, played MTG as my /tg/ game of choice
>Decided to pick up a box of Skaven Clan rats to see if I actually enjoy making them
>Had a blast, decided doing the painting when I get the chance this week
>Go in to gamestore to get paints
>Hear an argument about AoS vs FB and why AoS is aids
So do I continue building Skaven in the hopes that people will want to play FB instead of AoS?
Because this is really confusing...
Is it also okay just to buy models for the sake of them looking cool? Cause god damn Lizard men looking fucking awesome.
>Is it also okay just to buy models for the sake of them looking cool? Cause god damn Lizard men looking fucking awesome.
Nobody can stop you, do what the fuck you want.
Many players collect models and hoard entire armies without ever playing just because they like building, painting and having these nice little miniatures.
>Is it also okay just to buy models for the sake of them looking cool?
absolutely. Great way to improve your painting too.
Painting three different models is gonna teach you more than painting thirty identical ones.
Funnily enough as part of their attempt to make excuses for their shitty rules GW claimed only 20% of model sales are for wargaming purposes.
So go ahead, be part of the 80% if you just want to buy the models for their own sake.
>it, but we do know for a fact that they are books for the WHFB setting
Nope< it's just prequel for AoS.
>and have rules for WHFB
>bring everything what you want
Yeah, sure GW.
>this fucking thread
Holy shit, /tg/, stop replying to bait.
In other news, picked up a bastiladon. I have mixed feelings about geedubs as a company, but goddamn if their minis aren't amazing. I really like the details on the ark and the engine, and the handprint with the extra finger is great.
Any advice on Ark vs Engine on the bastilodon? I wanna say engine is better because of the range, and the ark relies too much on dice luck to get enough range, and +1 initiative is never a bad thing.
Just based off experience playing against LIzards, engine just seems more practical because you don't have to commit your swarms and it's a constant threat that can eat the attention of a caster all game
Anyone know if there is a Warmaster recaster out there? I cant live with these beautiful miniatures slowly fading away into obscurity.
Daily reminder that Malekith is the Eldar version of Oedipus.
Say the End Times were averted at the last minute by Valten managing to kill Archaon (and dying in the process) and Thanquol pulling... a Thanquol and blasting half of the Chaos Horde for refusing to give him enough credit/respect. In return for their failure, the Skaven never teleport to the moon -- rather, the Horned Rat angrily obliterates Skavenblight as punishment.
Where would you like to see the Skaven go next? How do they reform? Which of their leaders survive? where does thanquol run? Currently, Endhammer has them going to and inhabiting plague-ridden Karak Kadrin for the new Council of 13, but I'm not a Skaven expert and I'm open to all ideas.
>Implying you wouldn't if your mom was so hot.
A few of my friends wanted to get together to play Mordheim again, but we don't have a place to play, the only game store in the area I know of is a Games Workshop, anyone have any suggestions?
There's five of us and it's in the San Francisco area if that helps, I'm new around here so I have no idea where to even look
It's basically the same as before really. They're still selling the same models (more or less) and expecting to make their money off of that. If you wanted to buy a bunch of square bases from a recaster though that's probably slightly more legit than it was previously? I'm not opposed to it in either case.
It's not hard to learn how to do it yourself, especially for a simple figure like the ones in the pic. Problem is selling them, which is easily bustable without international protection. If you can find a second hand one on ebay or something, it's easy enough to make a bunch for cheap.
get a kitchen table and some fucking cardboard
you could probably use GW tables if the manager isn't an asshole, but I seriously doubt they'd have the terrain density necessary for good mordheim
It's been a month but my order is aroud $200 at best, I'll keep my fingers crossed in the mean time.
Gw just dropped the ball, for a while there they were really into the !not science but ward era gw went entirely for rule of autistic.
So did anyone else see this BoLS article?
Looks like WHFB might be coming back soon, at least in some capacity.
It's alright. Of the four armies I play I only dislike Dark Elves, excuse me Dread Elves..and only slightly. I hope their get their shit together soon and publish some non-beta rules. I don't want to play rules that change every two weeks (TAC, pre-beta, now beta, ???, ???, ???, full release)..
For the models you will need forge world and/or mantic, for the rules you can find them in the forge world book thamurkan the throne of chaos, the ones you find now downloadable on forge world site are for age of sigmar, I don't know if FW still sells the book honestly, a pdf is in the resources in the OP anyway.
They don't bother me as much as when they got released, I find more unappealing the multiple conversions for the order of the white wolf riding giant wolves; at least demigryphs have that glamour of being awesomely stupid, like only giant colorful chickens can be or halfling nobles riding similarly big black cocks.
Is it dumb that I'd actually pay money for a bunch of Halfling 'knights' mounted on giant chickens, or ponies if need be?
That seems exactly like the kind of dumb unit you'd actually find in WHFB.
>like only giant colorful chickens can be
Actually, is there some sort of community like with Epic for Warmaster? Epic has gotten a nice black market on that keeps the miniatures alive, would be a shame if Warmaster just fell through the cracks entirely.
This has a lot of the old army books where you can find lore. The newer army books are there too. If you're interested, you can check out some of the Black Library books like the Nagash, Sigmar and War of Vengeance series if you want some history. It would help explain why the Warhammer world is why it is.
I started by playing the video games. You can pick up the basics from those and see if the flavor is something you enjoy. For more in-depth information I'd go next to the BRB, the Big Red Book, specifically the 8th edition core rulebook. There's a thorough fluff primer in there, though just like with 40k lore it's portrayed as more extreme in the core book than elsewhere for some reason. Army books have lore for each respective army, with each edition touching on slightly different material. And there's novels of course.
Read through Sigmar's Heirs, since your first campaign will most likely be set in the Empire. Get all the other books, especially Old World Armoury, Realms of Sorcery and Tome of Salvation. Career Compendium is great too and you should let them choose their careers.
What the fuck are you trying to ask?
Ask what your local tourney scene is like, if it's still active you'll have a chance to meet other fantasy players and get games in.