>"Snowflakes over Innistrad" edition
>You are a planeswalker.
>In the vast Multiverse, only you and some other chucklefucks know of the countless worlds beyond your own.
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Shadow over Innistrad confirmed, what do you think the story will be about. Will Lili be there?
How will Snowflakes react? Will property value on Innistrad go down.
>Implying Nahiri isn't Avacyn
I'm just glad we might be getting Transformation again, that was cool and I'm glad its coming back, far as lore goes although I would enjoy 'all that goes bump in the night' VS.Eldrazi bloodborne style, I'd rather have some new stuff. Heck, they could pull a swerve on us and have Avacyn go evil, what with the twisted collar and all, one could say they've...twisted her message turning Avacyn's, collar, the symbol of her church, something werewolves hate... into something evil and dark.
Also. I'd like to see a legendary werewolf. COME ON WIZARD. WEREWOLF LEGENDS! *Clap clap clap clap* WEREWOLF LEGENDS! etc.
Unlike Zendikar that wants to work together Innistrad would fail only because they can't form up teams. Unless they make a mechanic or have it where everyone in Innistrad is so selfish they try to get swole to beat the Eldrazi. Lots of death touch, menace, and must attack each turn if able. Maybe a new mechanic.
If there's anything a Magic: The Gathering player hates, it's a bad card —especially a bad Magic: The Gathering card, the symbol of bad card game.
If there's anything a lorefag hates, it's a snowflake—especially a Chandere snowflake, the symbol of bad writing.
>All of the snowflakes who have a stake in Innistrad see Emrakul floating down
>Razhiel's shitty little fiefdom is getting blown the fuck out...again.
>Musa's property values plummety
>Damien hopes the Eldrazi eat the demon he's contracted to.
>All the other snowflakes visiting... "Ah, I hear Ravnica's nice this time of year."
>All of the snowflakes who have a stake in Innistrad see Emrakul floating down
If there's anything the Galactic Empire hates, it's the rebels —especially the Rebel Alliance, the symbol of a revolt.
So who's likely the Eldrazi on Innistrad? Most of us banked on Emrakul, given that she's the strongest of the trio, her spawn are particularly Lovecraftian, and her being sealed on the moon of the plane that's home to both a very magically powerful moon AND the home of one of the original sealers makes good for a story, but now...
Either Kozilek is actually the smartest and thus most powerful (Ulamog is a wild beast and Emrakul is above mortals- Kozilek interacts with mortals as individuals, and thus is the most sick and twisted. ) and Emrakul invading Innistrad is merely a diversion, or
Kozilek is invading Innistrad, and Emrakul is waiting up to attack a more important plane for the story- namely Ravnica.
We have to remember that Wizards plans blocks out as a story. Ulamog, as both the smallest, weakest, and least intelligent, is dealt with first. Kozilek is the smartest (being able to understand and exploit relationships between mortals) and Emrakul is the most powerful, being more akin to a force of nature than a plane devouring monster.
Depending on how Wizards wants to take the Eldrazi (Kozilek being the final boss means Eldrazi are malignant and evil) (Emrakul being the final boss means Eldrazi are too alien and different to even have morality or even comprehend the concept) determines exactly what Eldrazi are. Are they a natural cleanup function of the multiverse, and thus just 'are'?, or are they acting as leaders or part of some greater plan for control or destruction or whatever, making them evil?
He could hardly be called a god anymore. Now he's just another of the living vampires of Innistrad with the added bonus of being able to go wherever he can imagine to alleviate his eternal boredom.
Even when he was a near-god, he was and still is horrifically irresponsible. Honestly if Avacyn really felt like it she could probably smite Sorin out of the Multiverse's (and our) collective misery.
>Are they a natural cleanup function of the multiverse, and thus just 'are'?, or are they acting as leaders or part of some greater plan for control or destruction or whatever, making them evil?
But Dominaria wasn't destroyed by unspeakable horrors.
It was destroyed by very speakable ones.
Serra's Realm didn't have kor, and it's destroyed.
Old Phyrexia was essentially annihilated, and there are no kor there either.
Khans Tarkir ceased to exist entirely, and the only thing kor-related that could possibly have affected that was the ABSENCE of a kor.
Your theory is shit.
The Eldrazi will never hit Ravnica, if only due to mechanical reasons.
They have enough trouble getting enough spots in for all the guilds, which is a necessity for a Ravnica set mind you, and throwing in the Eldrazi ON TOP OF that just wouldn't work. The place is just too tied to the guilds thematically to be able to support both themes.
Don't forget that, more importantly, chandere is retarded. Her hatred of kor stems from a particular kor (Nahiri) that 'she' believes is Sorin's love interest. Whether Nahiri is, was, or ultimately will be Sorin's love interest is up in the air at the moment (personally, I'm favoring a senpai type love that Sorin eventually reciprocates when she saves his life or something), but what's important to note is that the chandere believes that Sorin and Nahiri actually exist, that Nahiri somehow raped Sorin, that all kor are guilty of the imagined crime of one, that Sorin actually really loves chandere and not Nahiri, and thus chandere is being keked by Nahiri. So basically, insanity.
It could also stem from the sadly common frequency of how males versus females see as the 'peak' of personal bestness (sex appeal, fitness, intelligence, etc). Males stereotypically acknowledge someone else is higher towards the peak than they are, and strive to be like that peak. Females stereotypically view themselves as already being at the peak, and decry anyone else as "trying too hard" or "doing it wrong". Thus, chandere's hatred of Nahiri possibly stems from her own insecurities that Nahiri is a better mate than she is.
Or she's a very, very, bad troll that's also insane.
Agreed. chandere, why don't you put your trip back on so we can block you and actually talk about the lore of mtg. You aren't even particularly knowledgable in your preferred subject- Sorin and vampires.
So the rumor was right they are going to seal at least one eldrazi in innistrads moon and the sets going to be Lovecraft horror.
I gotta say I did not expect that one to turn out true.
What are some of the good aspects of Black? I know it's supposed to be the (potentially) most honest/straightforward color and the color of ambition but what else that isn't "doom and gloom and necromancy and parasitism"?
Recently bought a few packs and a stsrter deck, and have fallen in love. Coming from Pomemon tcg, It's refreshing to see every card can be useable to an extent.
Looking at buying a box soon. What set would you guys recommend?
>inb4 buy singles
Packs are fun senpai
This isn't really the thread for this, we're about fluff here. But I'll bite.
Battle for Zendikar is the latest set, and while it's over 99% shit, there are these super-rare and super-valuable "expedition" lands you can pull from packs. Go with that if you feel like gambling. Origins is pretty solid, simpler for beginners too. Khans of Tarkir is probably your best bet for sheer value. Fate Reforged and Dragons of Tarkir are absolute shit, don't bother.
Thanks mane. Sorry for posting in the wrong thread lmao. I pulled a foil Arid Mesa from one Zendikar pack a few days ago, is that one of the lands you're referring to?
But fab. I'll go for Khans or Origins. Thanks for your help!
Wait, is that's what she looks like? A goth qt, pic related
It's been years since my last trip I was that death teh kid guy on /a/ back in 2007, hell I don't even remember how to do the trip code anymore
Of course I am, its just that Chandere's name isn't secure at all. There was even a time where a half dozen anons decided to put it on and chased her away with it for about a week.
>Shadows over Innistrad
>Releasing only four and a half years after original Innistrad
>Maro has confirmed that the plan going forward is 50% new, 50% returning planes.
Let's look at the planes that we've visited in Modern expert-level expansions:
Of those, we can knock out Kamigawa and Lorwyn/Shadowmoor because we've been told time and again that they performed poorly.
On October 15th, Maro announced that they had just begun exploratory design for the Fall 2018/Winter 2019 block, "Spaghetti" and "Meatballs." Since it would be outright foolishness for them to start work on a return block before getting the feedback from the previous visit, we can assume that a minimum of four years must pass between a visit and a return. This means that the earliest possible returns are:
>Dominaria: Fall 2016
>Mirrodin/New Phyrexia: Fall 2016
>Alara: Fall 2016
>Ravnica: Fall 2016
>Theros: Fall 2017
>Tarkir: Fall 2018
>Zendikar: Fall 2019
>Innistrad: Spring 2020
>Fall 2016 block: Fall 2020
>Spring 2017 block: Spring 2021
Maro also clarified his statement on "50% new, 50% returning" by giving us the model:
>Zendikar - new
>Scars of Mirrodin - return
>Innistrad - new
>Return to Ravnica - return
>Theros - new
>Khans of Tarkir - new
>Battle for Zendikar - return
>Shadows Over Innistrad - return
So, after this cycle, we'll be set for one return a year, rather than two-return years.
The 2015 "Checking in on the Planeswalkers" made it abundantly clear that stuff is happening on Theros. My prediction is that the spring 2017 block will be a return to Theros, possibly with a return to New Phyrexia the following year as Elspeth goes to deal with Elesh Norn. Which makes 2019 the year in which one might expect to see a rebellion on Tarkir.
>no return to Lorwymoor
That makes me really sad, but given the terrible art that was in Origins, I think I'd prefer if the block's perfection remained crystallized in our memories.
>Her hatred of kor stems from a particular kor (Nahiri) that 'she' believes is Sorin's love interest.
What the fuck is this? Chandra isn't in love with Sorin. Hell, she's more likely to be boning Gideon.
We've had a lack of actual knights lately due to having first a Greek Block, then a Asian And Dragon Block, then Return To Things Getting Horribly Maimed And Devoured (While The Environment Is Trying To Horribly Maim You Too), so we haven't had a block that's good for supporting proper Armored Knights since RTR
>Innistrad's moon has special sealing properties
>Innistrad's moon is made of silver
>Silver can be transported from plane to plane
So what if they take Innistrad's moon... And slam it into Zendikar?
Exactly. He was silver so he could be sent back in time - Urza was hoping to stop Phyrexia before it ever started. Or maybe just stop the Brother's War.
Instead his time machine only went back like a week or so and exploded Tolaria.
It had nothing to do with planeswalking.
>Seal the Eldrazi in Innistrad's moon
>Send it back in time to get them out of everyone's hair
>It crashes into Tarkir in the past
>Return to Tarkir has the clans again, with the dragonlords having gotten fucked by the impact
>Sarkhan accidentally frees the Eldrazi
>Galen trying to figure out how to hang things that lack necks.
Vampire Garruk is what Rio boils down to. He is a monster of a man who just want to prey upon the most dangerous things in the multiverse. Does not see Planeswalkers as such but sees the Eldrazi as world eating foes that he could try to drain. Yes he is batshit insane
Before or after the initial meeting?
>What the fuck was that?
>A construct. You have those where you're from, right?
>Ours are more corpsey. And flammable.
[Return to Theros intensifies]
Also, this makes Daxos the first of the "main" commanders to be a
returnedcharacter we've seen before. That's one for three, with only black-green and green-blue unknown.
>Return to Theros
>Set ends with a massive Phyrexian invasion just as Elspeth gets out of the underworld.
>She has to watch as another plane becomes corrupted
Definitely after but she might see his actions before meeting him as an it extreme.
They both are Red driven. And she would agree while his methods may be out there they are effective.
Also she would be confused if that is a zombie or a construct . As it shares features of both things from Fiora.
Has there been a plane shoved down the player's throats as much as Theros?
>Immediately following its block it's in a core set
>Gideon's from there apparently and he's gotten a Mediterranean race change as a result
>two commanders from the 2015 release are from Theros
Zosime on Innistrad sounds like fun. She would like to have a night with Saint Traft and his lady.
Edgy Jace coming right up. Just as soon as they managed to make this character half interesting in BFZ, they ruin it by overhusing him (again), bringing back his emo emo phase and forcing his love story with an overly sexualized hot chick centuries older than him
I actually seriously doubt that they're going to push Jace X Liliana. Pretty much everything that has come out has shown that it was a bad relationship and that he's wary of her. And Tumblr would fucking explode in pure rage if they did.
HEY KIDS REMEMBER JACE!? YOU LOVE IT!!! NOW YOU CAN RIDE HIS DICK IN EVERY FUCKING SET!
what? what's a "tamiyo"?
>Taft is a ghost
>Zosime prefers the D
That sounds like a disaster for the poor goat.
>She wanders through villages seducing lone men at night.
>They claim some demon succubus atracked them.
>Zosime becomes legend as the people fear that men out at night are seduced and she steals their souls right out of their dicks unless tribute is paid.
>Other planeswalkers get involved to stop her because.
>Zosime milks it for all it's worth.
>When asked why she can only respond
>"Do you know how long it's been since I've gotten laid?"
To be fair, they've made a point of emphasizing how they want to do a continuous story now, so it makes sense that they'd use certain characters through multiple blocks. Jace is a better fit than Gideon or Nissa, and Lilliana's almost certainly going to be there. Chandra's kind of the wild card.
No and no - they can't bring anyone with them, and summoning is making aether construct copies of things. The Boros aren't short a soldier because you summoned a Skyknight or Swiftblade. Legendaries are the way they are due to a combination of effort put into them (you're focusing on the details to get something SPECIFIC made instead of making a generic) and your mind going 'there's only one of them'
I thought so. What about other in game mechanics? Do lands represent the planeswalker having made certain connections to a certain place on a plane or are they just that, an in-game mechanic? What about planewalkers? Are they aether constructs too are they the actual thing, there presumably because the buddied up with the player?
You're essentially calling in favors from them. It's not a mana construct, it's the actual person. That's why they have "loyalty" instead of health--things get bad and they just planeswalk out on you.
New Commander reactions-
>Daxos the Returned
Sweet. More lore characters the better, and enchantments/tokens for BW is nice as well.
>Mazirek, Kraul Death Priest
Um, okay? It's very very good to get another Golgari character, and his ability is OP as fuck, but he doesn't really scratch any specific itches I had. Glad to know the BG deck will be overpowered as always.
>Kaseto, Orochi Archmage
That's AWESOME, getting some sweet Kamigawa cards. Note that Seshiro was the first Orochi to reach out to the human Budoka, and he learned many koans. Koans are self contained questions/doubts used in Buddhism to get closer to zen through meditation and reflection. So that's the "wisdom greater than poison or fangs" the flavor text is talking about.
>Mizzix of the Izmagnus
>Not Crixizix, another female Izzet goblin that's already established in lore.
Man, unless they account for this problem (Just make Mizzix be Crixizix's granddaughter or something simple like that) I'm gonna be real angry.
well, Tarkir ate up pretty much everything Asia that wasn't China or Japan- the Mongol Mardu, the Shaolin Jeskai, the Turkish Abzan, the Cambodian Sultai, and the Siberian Temur.
And even with creating a new Asian plane based on China or Japan, it would have many comparisons and be judged against the originals- Kamigawa for Japan and Portal Three Kingdoms for China (which additionally is based off of real Chinese history and story- being that Three Kingdoms is the Chinese equivalent to our tales of King Arthur and Homer.)
That needs repeating. Portals: Three kingdoms is just a straight rip of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms. Even more so than Rabiah being a rip of 1001 Arabian Nights. At least Rabiah has a chance to be "And then something happened that threw it wildly off course into our vaguely middle eastern plane."
Three kingdoms is just the Romance, and they'd need to make their own china plane from the ground up.
Dragons raping everything does not change the fact that we just had two sets of "the Mongol Mardu, the Shaolin Jeskai, the Turkish Abzan, the Cambodian Sultai, and the Siberian Temur."
I've been kind of interested in the MTG novels/comics, as I have a lot of train rides in front of me and I need shit to do while on tour.
How are they? Are there any recommendations? I've read on some salvation post from 2012 that there's a ton of them that are generally considered pretty bad.
Favourite planes are Zendikar, Ravnica and Phyrexia, if those have anything noteworthy and decent enough.
It could work, but India doesn't hold the same weight in the American people's minds as China or Japan does. Additionally, the Sultai used a lot of that design space as well.
Still, it currently holds the position as "The China set" in our minds. A new China set would have to usurp that position in our minds.
Lorwyn/Shadowmoor was the "British Fairytale plane"
Innistrad is the "English Horror plane", which is now expanding to cover Lovecraft's work.
Theros is the "Greek and a touch of Roman Mythology plane"
Ravnica is "Slavic/Gothic architecture plane" that quickly became the city, multicolor melting pot center of the Multiverse.
Each plane occupies a certain place in our minds. Two different planes can't hold the same position- one has to reign supreme. That's why we're never getting sets in Arkhos or Mongseng- Theros and Tarkir have taken their place. The same will likely happen with Valla and Kaldheim when we finally get our Nordic plane.
Apparently the original Ravnica novels were excellent. Haven't touched them, though.
I personally enjoyed the Invasion block novels but universal agreement is that the Mirrodin Besieged novels are awful.
Nostalgiafags worship the Weatherlight Saga when only parts of it were good, while everything written during and after Zendikar is absolute trash. Don't go into it expecting anything other than typical fantasy schlock and you shouldn't be too disappointed.
It'd have to be spread out to a generic "WILD Wild Wild West" theme, that then brings in issues of technology levels.
It'd also have to be Western Indians because of our perceptions of them versus Native Americans on the Eastern coast- both were "in the way" for America, but the eastern ones not so much.
Not to get all tumblr esque shit on this, but what it boils down to is that, yes, we'd have to have a Western plane, because they're on more of an equal fighting field than the Native Americans on the east coast.
>no uncharted realms where jace planeswalks to PTK during the battle of Chibi and gets burned to death
Parallels, without directly aping. You can have themes of exploration, of a sparse and wild frontier that is ripe for the taking, with angry natives that seek to defend their homeland from intruding forces.
Oh, wait. Zendikar.
I so can'T wait for his reveal.
The U/G commander was all I was waiting for in this set and not only having great art but also, according to the flavor, buffing your own stuff up, like I hoped, but more than likely incorporating artifacts into this, Phyrexia and all, will be absolutely amazing.
Also makes me really damn hype about the next Return to New Phyrexia.
You know, do we really know what Sorin's and Avacyn's relationship is like? I know he created her and trusts her with Innistrad's well-being but I don't think we've ever seen them interact.
She's charged with keeping all of the dark and dangerous creatures of Innistrad from hunting the humans from extinction, including the vampires. So what does Avacyn think of her "father"? Is he kinda like a semi-reformed criminal in her eyes? Does she even really care about him or does she condemn him as another of Innistrad's monsters? Does she feel any kind of connection to him other than "he created me"?
If he went over the deep end certainly she would want to stop him but Ugin said that Sorin's only ever really out to insure his own survival. Would he have put some kind of failsafe in her to make her ignore his own actions?
Sorin has gone so far beyond caring, I think he hasn't for two reasons.
1: He believes that nothing he could do would be noticed by Avacyn because he keeps his feeding down to a absolute minimum and might not even feed while he's on Innistrad.
2:He can just leave, if Avacyn wants him dead he can just go, Avacyn can't catch him if he tried to run, he can come back all he wants. Avacyn, as proved by Garruk can't really stop planeswalkers.
I like to think that Avacyn has no idea that Sorin created her, and that he's just the disowned heir to the Markov family of vampires that never leaves his mansion. So there's no hate just a lack of caring.
>The giants of Theros draw their strength from the land itself. Kalemne, though, has turned to a different source—mighty Iroas. Anything but a savage brute, Kalemne is a disciple of the soldier's god, leading superhuman troops—giants, dragons, and even The giants of Theros draw their strength from the land itself. Kalemne, though, has turned to a different source—mighty Iroas. Anything but a savage brute, Kalemne is a disciple of the soldier's god, leading superhuman troops—giants, dragons, and even angels—to glorious triumphsThe giants of Theros draw their strength from the land itself. Kalemne, though, has turned to a different source—mighty Iroas. Anything but a savage brute, Kalemne is a disciple of the soldier's god, leading superhuman troops—giants, dragons, and even angels—to glorious triumphs.
Did I miss something, or are there actually angels on Theros?
Or do we have our first Giant Planeswalker?
>The current plan is about half the time we visit new worlds and about half the time we revisit old worlds.
>about half the time
Ehh, alright. Seems reasonable with the new focus on story-driven Magic sets and two blocks a year.
Hold up a minute. I know MTG Salvation isn't the most reliable source, being a wiki, but the Avacyn article says that the cursemute she did to alter the werewolves spread across the rest of Innistrad and affected not just the curse of lycanthropy but also other kinds of curses. If that's right do we have any examples of it other than the wolfir?
Greeks came up with angels I see no reason they won't be there next time we're in Theros.
Especially because Elspeth, hell her ult in Theros was turning her armies into angels so it makes sense that people would relate that to Heliod (or Elspeth is people start worshiping her as a god).
Looks Boros to me. Innistrad angels all seem to have that Not-the-Christian-Cross symbol on their armor.
Uh, yes? You'll note that Aurelia has SEVERAL elements from the Boros style guide, including:
>Peaked "crown" helm
>Wavy "sunbeam" sword blade
>Sunburst (on her breast)
Whereas >>43435476 has none of them.
>The next two Uncharted Realms stories will showcase new characters from Commander (2015 Edition). Battle for Zendikar stories resume November 18!
Lets be real, Daxos is getting one of the UR's. They won't just throw in a previous plot related character, and totally disregard it. That could also bleed into exploring a bit of the WR commander as well, since he mucking about Theros.
The other is probably going to be one of the.
It is called Mercadia.
I don't think it was ever said in the first place that all werewolves became wolfir. Each werewolf had to accept Avacyn's on their own.
Now, sure being a wolfir was both likely less painful and less dangerous, and the majority of them did accept it (and we never saw werewolf cards in AVR) but I remember it being specifically worded so that werewolves for the most part were wolfir now.
You didn't finish that last part, but I assume you meant Ravnica.
Yeah, a story for Theros and a story for Ravnica would make the most sense, given Theros has WB Daxos and RW Kalemne, while Ravnica has UR Mizzix, GB Mazirek, and WB Karlov.
So for Commander 2015's new commanders, here are the planar totals:
New Phyrexia: 1
Unknown and obscure: 1 (Arjun)
Unknown: 1 (Anya)
Personally, Anya resembles a Valkyrie to me (and thus could be from Nordic plane) and Arjun could be from Vryn, given the obscure plane and being a sphinx.
>Him retaining his memory of Elspeth could be part of Erebos being a complete dick.
Nah, that's just standard Returned fare. They often search for half-remembered things without knowing what they are looking for or why.
Oh? I thought they didn't remember anything about their past but just went on trying to live their lives. He seemed oddly specific on trying to find his waifu
who's getting red fisted by Dack
Wiki says that those that wish to escape the Underworld must lose their own identity to become the Returned. It says they don't have memories of their past lives and can't form long term memories, as well as only really being able to ape emotions.
I'd say to raise Phenax to truly high levels of dickishness; is to have the Return forget their name and any specific memories, but retain a general feel that mercilessly drives them. Because why else would you want to return from the dead unless you had something you really wanted to do?
So I say Daxos remembers a beautiful woman, but can't recall anything about her. He feels like he should find her, but he doesn't have the faintest idea why. Is it love, or a desire for revenge? The only way to know would be to have Elspeth right in front of Daxos, but then the juicy part comes in- he doesn't recognize her!
So Daxos is cursed to wander the land in search of a woman he either loves immensely or hates immensely, and he cannot tell if the women he meets are the one he 'remembers', and even if he has met her he wouldn't remember if he did! It's delicious romantic torture!
I don't know, the way it says he is searching for Elspeth seems like more than just that.
I'm not calling bullshit on your explanation, then again I am the one who is trying to bullshit someone into believing the Elesh Norn is a secret good guy.
Well, we know he's searching for Elspeth, Elspeth either knows or won't be surprised when she finds out, and anyone who knows of Elspeth's tale likely knows. My concern is whether Daxos knows
As for Elesh Norn, I currently see six major antagonists and she is the only one that could ever be construed as a good guy.
Both Bolas and Obnoxious are self admitted dicks- they understand morality and choose to disregard it.
Emrakul and Ulamog are both off the morality scale- Ulamog is a beast that just devours, and Emrakul is so far above mortals that her seeing humans,etc as people is akin to you caring about the bacteria on your kitchen table. They're so far below you you forget they even exist most of the time.
Kozilek is unique, as the Cosi tale from Kiora's UR implies that Kozilek can at least comprehend people as people, and plays with his food before he eats it.
Emrakul is the mom that's busy at work and doesn't quite pay close attention to everything, Ulamog is the family dog that catches squirrels just because he's a dog, but Kozilek is the sadistic child that lays sugar out for ants then burns them with a magnifying glass.
But Elesh Norn also has a sense of morality- it's just one that's extremely twisted compared to ours and most others. She truly believes that what she's doing is right, and anyone who disagrees is insane on the level of needing immediate hospitalization here.
I focused on
She's the enemy color of black which was Yawg's main jam.
Crackpot theory involving her being a gambit by Urza indirectly to tear down New Phyrexia from the inside, using her ability as evidence for a connection between her and Urza.
So I guess this nigga is sitting out again for SOI?
Norn is a villain through and through, and a good example of a white villain.
Just because you have a sense of morality doesn't make you a good guy - especially when that sense of morality involves the whole 'kill everyone that's Not You and make them More You, now with 100% less skin and 100% more oil for blood' thing.
The entire concept of Phyrexia has been heavily white since they actually went into detail on it - but previously it was stuck on a plane that had literally nothing but black mana, and ruled by someone who was blacker than the blackest black.
Don't you know, he's going sacrifice himself to seal Emrakul in the moon.
I know, but I'm doing it to try and convince the cast of Commanderin' and betting they don't know the lore.
Is notoriously terrible. The Noston are driven by what they came back for, but they don't actually remember what it is. So they search and search without ever knowing what they're searching for.
So the withering, curling branches at the end of the teaser are meant to be Eldrazi tentacles and the pointy bits in the set symbol are Kozilek elements, right?
Jace with his hood down is a lot less hateable than Jace with his hood up
Like nigga you can read and wipe peoples' minds, who gives a shit if they see your face
NO, Wizards won't do devoid, ingest and processor mechanics two blocks in a row anon, its just gonna be a native threat while we watch Liliana beg Avacyn for healing from her curse without dying.
I don't mean Eldrazi presence in the sense that Zendikar was a full on invasion
Maybe Kozilek fucking with some minds from the blind eternities
Getting the Avacyn fanatics to form an inquisition
Inquisition of Kozilek should not be a $12 fucking card
>Implying that other Eldrazi will have ingest and process
They flat-out told us that that's just an Ulamog thing because he's the Titan of Consumption. Note that none of the Kozilek cards have either ability.
Who is that behind him, it looks like Oona.
The big thing is that it looks like a complete jace redesign, which is kinda nice, since everyone and their mother wears robes and armor. If more people dress like Dack and Tibalt, the world would be a better place.
But I'll tell you what Kozilek has in droves
and that's weird for something that needs to eat mana.
Makes me wonder if maybe "eating" worlds was more a catch all term, and that the three two their own unique things to worlds
-Ulamog actively eating them
-Kozilek transforming them into the obsidian ornaments it has, maybe machines?
-Emrakul morphing everything near it into parts of itself.
I think it'd be kinda cool if the Origins walkers, if we are actually going to be following them from plane to plane, should have to change their wardrobe from time to time to fit in.
Jace and Lili wouldn't stick out too much on Innistrad, but Chandra, Gideon, and especially Nissa would all stick out like a sore thumb.
It'd be kinda neat if every plane they got to dress in the style of the plane.
i know it won't happen due to them needing an iconic appearance, but I can dream
Which is exactly what I said regarding the Returned: that they are driven by something (specific to them) that they can't remember because it was that thing that spurred them into becoming Returned in the first place.
while that would explain why they seemed to be slotted on a linear scale as far as wizards is concerned( Emrakul>Kozilek>Ulamog), I'm not so sure. So far the only insight we have into the nature of the eldrazi from their perspective is when vamp-chick mindmelded with that ulamog spawn, relating that it's purpose was to be hungry and that they were mending what was broken. Dunno what that last part meant, but it might infer that the eldrazi are trying to reduce the multiverse to a solid blob of all the same stuff, reuniting what was broken into the variety of planes, in which case their unique forms of "eating" planes would be a possible method to doing so.
He's hardly been around outside of core sets in Zendikar he only had a bit part, RtR he was the protagonist, and then just returned. There's not a lot of Jace around the plot actually he's hardly invested in the Bolas plot not even involved in the Phyrexian plot he's really only here for the Eldrazi.
Jace is actually a lot more bearable when he's actually being used in the storyline. Back during the Core Sets, where he appeared every year and did nothing, and during the RtR block he was insufferable, but so far in Origins and BfZ he's been much more tolerable.
Okay, unrelated to current story theory time!
During Time Spiral block, the time rifts that had built up over the several cataclysms that had befallen Dominiaria were each sealed. But there was a very specific method of doing so:
Bolas fixed the Madaran rift using Leshrac's life and thus presumably his spark.
Karn fixed the Tolarian rift with his (Urza's) spark and fled to Mirrodin.
Jeska/Leshrac used Radha's latent spark to fix the Yavimaya rift, depriving Radha of her spark but not killing her.
See where this is going? The rifts required a spark, ignited or not, to seal them. Sometimes this killed the planeswalker, sometimes it didn't. But we can do the math and realize that 8 planeswalkers lost their sparks (sometimes their lives) to save the Multiverse. So:
Urborg: Lord Windgrace
Zhalfir: .... Wait..... WHAT?
According to both the wiki and my memories of the books. Leshrac-influenced-Jeska used Radha to seal the Zhalfir rift. But no spark or life was sacrificed for it?
My theory/observation states that there were in fact only 7 rifts- the Shiv and Zhalfir rifts were really just the same rift that was created when Teferi phased out the continents to protect them from the Invasion. The rift was already mostly healed with the return of Shiv and the sacrifice of Teferi's spark- he just hadn't closed the zipper yet because he still needed to slot Zhalfir into place as well. Thus the "Zhalfir rift" was really just a case of pushing an open door (or I guess closing one, ha). Now all the rules both on creating and sealing the rifts make sense.
Is everyone sure it's an Eldrazi threat? I mean, on the picture with Jace, if you look to the left of the woman's lips, there's the possible silhouette of Bolas. Tibalt is also still alive, and desiring to bring madness. Lets also not forget that with Grisslebrand gone, any new demon may want to take up the throne of head honcho.
With how Innistrad demons work the new head honcho might just be a reincarnated Grislebrand. But Jace wouldn't go to Innistrad for just that, maybe for once in her life Lilliana asked for help.
But the distortion of Avacyns collar either means that the church is collapsing in on itself or one of the big two.
I can see Bolas or Tibalt bastardizing the world, and making it that faith has fallen, or the angels are slaughtered.
Also, Jace may be there because he insisted to Garruk that returning to Innistrad was the only way he could be healed. Maybe we get a story with Jace, Lili and Garruk?
Though, that is definitely a fallen, bleeding angel leaf in the trailer. I'm thinking Tibalt returns to feed his sadism. Or Bolas has been pulling strings for a while. Or both.
Why would Lili have any reason to be on Innistrad, though?
She's already killed Griselbrand, she doesn't care about the plane, and she's off to go kill more demons - who are NOT on Innistrad, mind you, or else she would've murdered them in INN-AVR already.
Doug went back on that on his tumblr a while ago. There are no more werewolves on Innistrad anymore, Avacyn wolfird them all.
Except we're going back to the plane so you can bet it'll be re-retconned.
Is that Avacyn?
>Surrounded by light
>Blasting away dark things
Or maybe being corrupted by them... Like a. Subtle nag on the edge of her consciousness that is pushing her to further and further heights of zealotry. Starting to believe she's an actual god.
>mfw the angel has fallen
>mfw Kozilek is stronger than we thought
Well, don't forget that Akroma was evil and that people have serious questions about Aurelia, given what she did to Feather.
Oh, and then there's what the Eldrazi did to the angels of Zendikar.
Akroma and Aurelia are bitches, but not corrupted. White is not the "nice" color anymore than any other color.
What did the Eldrazi do to the Zendikar angels? They seem mostly fine as of BFZ. It's the vampires the eldrazi "corrupted" there.
>they're on more of an equal fighting field than the Native Americans on the east coast.
East coast Indians held on longer than the plains did
>plains: roughly 60 years
>east woodlands: 200 years
Remember that Indians outnumbered settlers early on and the technology gap wasn't as wide
The original statement was "corrupted/made evil," and Akroma was definitely evil.
The Eldrazi put the halos over the eyes of the angels of Zendikar, blinding them to complexity and nuance, if I recall correctly.
Made is the keyword. There is no reason to pretend angels are all beings of niceness and mercy. They never have been. MTG angels have always been the "Sinners be punished, let justice be done" kind. They're rarely good that became corrupted, the "made evil" part is a tautology.
So they made justice blind? That's not really corruption so much as altered their perspective. They aren't serving the eldrazi or anything, they're just a lot more black and white about things.
It'd be like making a demon follow orzhov-esque contracts instead of just mindless slaughtering people
>yfw the threat of the eldrazi might cause necromancers and skaabstitchers to ally with cathars
>Vampires go full "Protect the flock"
>Angels and vampires begrudgingly working together to protect humans for their own reason.
>Vampire's start biting angels to prevent them from dying just yet.
>This starts making vampire angels.
I want to see this creature type-line, just once. It doesn't even have to be a legend.
Fluff decks are best used in limited or block constructed. Anything outside of that and stuff that isn't supposed to mix gets to mix. That said, you can usually pair a block with it's return and make a decent kitchen table deck.
I meant more from the story perspective- Indians on the east coast weren't as strong or mysterious as Indians in the wild plains of the wild wild west.
Basically, there's Cowboys vs. Indians, not Early Settlers vs Native Americans.
At the end of the Innistrad block, the Helvault was broken, unsealing its contents into the world. Among other things, that released the archangel Avacyn, and her return brought flights of angels and all kinds of other glorious changes. One of these changes was the cursemute, a spell that mystically bound together the wolf spirit and human spirit of the werewolves into one, forming noble, wolflike guardians known as the wolfir. Thanks to Avacyn, the cursemute remains in effect to this day, so werewolves on Innistrad seem to be a thing of the past.
>They need the blood to maintain their strength
>B/W angels who have no problem with this in conflict with W angels who do
>Mortals who have no problem with letting their vampire angel overlords feed on them against the clergy who believe that Avacyn and the others have been corrupted somehow and need to be purged along with their heretical followers
Could be neat
>Mortals who have no problem with letting their vampire angel overlords feed on them against the clergy who believe that Avacyn and the others have been corrupted somehow and need to be purged along with their heretical followers
>vampires accidentally create Avacynian Protestantism
The Transforming werewolves were a fun mechanic the first time around, so when we go back to Innistrad, there aren't going to be anymore werewolves. Just wolfir. unless they do some retconning.
Imagine a Ravnica block, except they took out all the green-aligned guilds. and said "Well green doesn't like cities."
I mean the Underworld series did away with wolfs coming out during a full moon by having them control their change or using a serum. Maybe the wolfir are just good aligned lycanthropes?
>there are people who don't like the flavor from Kamigawa
>there are people who want the whole block to be Samurai, Ninjas and nothing else
I always had the idea that it could get much worse with the animal themed dark transformation. They did hint toward a spider subtheme and now there's a vacuum in that place where the wolves once filled it as a predator. It could be much worse if one could hide their kinship and leanings as a spider creature much easier than a wolf. More patient and just as hungry.
The old Jurassic Park line comes to mind where Nature Finds A Way. Only you amend it to "Nature finds a way to eat you alive."
So, what plane themes haven't we seen that you think are likely? My list is:
>Tropical beach plane
>Wild Wild Wild West plane (one Wild is history, two Wilds is early Steampunk pulp stories, three wilds is magic)
>Mediterranean plane/Fiora block
>visits to Vryn and Khaladesh
>one Furry plane so that the furries can all flock to it, and then we kill them. Also Ajani love.
so what, do you kill people who play magic cause it's magic regardless of setting if Furry Plane is in standard?
What if they like Ajani because he's a cool dude, and don't care if he's a catman or a human or whatever?
How do you separate those from the furries?
It's a joke, not a dick. Don't take it so hard.
I was simply saying that anyone whose favorite plane was the furry plane could be safely disregarded as furries themselves.
I ain't a furry, but I do want more beastfolk cards because it changes the values of older, non-beastfolk cards.