You know that in the manga those things that didn't die in one hit? Very strongly implied he's barely putting any effort into things, and they die the moment he puts even a tiny sliver of it. Fucking casual.
I've only seen the anime, but I get the impression he's not supposed to be the main character. It's a bit like Watamote, where we're exploring a background character in more detail than they deserve... which is absolutely brilliant.
The cyborg, and the antagonists all come in with great back stories. He's just there as some gargantuan return to the status quo each episode. Still, I am a filthy casual.
>>43460731 In this setting a caterpillar became a giant sapient monster because it decided to become big and a man turned into city destroying a man-spider chimera because a spider crawled into his ear, an entire elite team of supermen gained super strength entirely because they wore tank top shirts.
So yeah, he became infinitely strong because he exercised, that's how things work in that universe.
>>43460684 >>43460713 It's always come across to me more that the difference in backstories is to spoof the typical superhero/shonen character backstory tropes. Everyone else has super cliche, cornball, and/or long-winded backstories, and Saitama's just a dude who does hero stuff for fun and somehow acquired phenomenal power just by doing a fairly ordinary workout routine for a few years.
This thread is why Death Battle is terrible, and why you all should feel terrible.
Saitama's whole fucking concept is that he's above stats and the eternal fucking POWER LEVELS bickering and bullshit in anime. He's a satiristic take on the cliche, someone who's literally outside the power hierarchy of his own manga. His whole point is that everyone else tries to get him to conform, tries to compete with him, and generally can't accept the fact that he's something you cannot defeat by screaming about your training and final forms. The question is never whether or not he can win. It's what his existence implies for the world, and what it actually means to be a hero and all that.
Saitama's only statline needs to be "Stronger than you", and that's that. There's never going to be a time where he fights for real, shows us his whole power and actually tries to defeat someone earnestly. That's something he literally can't do. That's his power. He wins.
>>43465212 Basically. Thing is, Saitama is possibly the only actual hero in the series. He doesn't enjoy doing the right thing or feel fulfilled by it, or otherwise have some huge, contrived reason to basically justify why he's allowed to murder shittons of things while looking awesome and somehow avoiding becoming an utter psychopath.
For most anime characters (in this genre, mind), it's never about a duty or just doing what must be done, or even about doing what's right in general. It's about glorious combat, about screaming out your attacks while you kill things. Often, the focus is completely on fighting, and being a hero and doing good is just the framework where that facilitates this. Sure, the character can scream about justice and all that, but the author still just wants to show you his newest awesome powerup.
Saitama doesn't do that. He can't enjoy a fight. It's almost embarassing how his opponents and comrades keep screaming about fighting at their full power, and all he can do is casually punch and win. He cant' be flashy or awesome about it. He can't really be anything like that. But he's still there, still putting down monsters when it's required. For him, it's "Knock that shit out" and then they don't, and then he punches them and they turn into bloodstains. He just does that.
The joke here is that while most characters in OPM appear heroic, Saitama doesn't. And yet he's more of an actual, legitimate hero. Heroism is what people see and care about, being a hero is what you do regardless.
Well, Saitama and Licenceless Rider. Licenceless Rider fuck yeah.
>>43465823 Well our relative strengths aren't effectively observed by the universe until we use them against each other. All he has to do is stay out of my way lest everything everywhere be annihilated in less than an instant.
>>43465487 >Thing is, Saitama is possibly the only actual hero in the series >Heroism is what people see and care about, being a hero is what you do regardless. Eh, we see plenty characters that just honestly protect people without digging into the superhero showbiz side.
>>43466134 I don't really mean the showbiz. I mean the tropy meta side, although some characters do add to that with the active showbizing. Like, with more or less every shonen main character, the story is for the most part a justification to get the characters to fight and be justified about it.
In most shonen and the like, characters fight, and that is the main point of the series, the thing that gets most of the attention. They have reasons to, but those reasons are just a framework. An excuse to get the story go towards fighting, and a good reason to allow the characters to be good and justified while they fight, while still mostly just focusing on the fight itself.
What I mean is, every other character in the series can gloriously scream about how they're protecting humanity (or could, unless they're too cool and collected for something like that) and throw themselves into it with abandon and earnestness. You often see characters who can't help but crack a smile as they start feeling the heat of the battle and devote their all to winning.
But Saitama can't do that. He'd look like a total asshole if he ever screamed about how he's protecting everyone with his life, and then gave it his all, and everything exploded in three milliseconds. It's literally his daydream to be able to do that.
What I mean is, for most people being a hero is a nobrainer. They do it because they have reason to, and the desire to, and they even enjoy it. And while some are a lot cooler and more distant from it, it's still a lot more about that. They want to get stronger and be better, and all that. But Saitama doesn't really get anything out of fighting. For him, there's just nothing there, no challenge or blood-pumping battles to be had. He starts to fight, then the fight ends.
It's an intresting examination of heroics and heroes, is what I'm saying.
>>43466403 >the story is for the most part a justification to get the characters to fight and be justified about it. I don't see how that not applies to OPM. The story is a justification for Saitama to punch thing.
>But Saitama doesn't really get anything out of fighting. For him, there's just nothing there, no challenge or blood-pumping battles to be had. He starts to fight, then the fight ends. >It's an intresting examination of heroics and heroes, is what I'm saying. Yes, that is, but I do not see anything remotely supporting "everybody else is not really a hero"
Between Saitama and other hero: They both see a monster attacking people. For the hero the difference is between running away and risking life and limb to protect others. For Saitama the difference is between walking away and spending three seconds on a punch and then walking away.
But they both have same motivation, protecting people, to get at all involved. Saitama gets out of the bed and puts on his cape pajamas because he wants to be a hero, just like every other guy does.
The difference between them and the exploration of the genre do not lie in this plane at all.
>>43466514 >Yes, that is, but I do not see anything remotely supporting "everybody else is not really a hero"
I'm just guessing here but think he might be getting at that whole "good deeds are actually selfish because doing them makes you feel good about yourself for doing them" idea, that since the other heroes "Get something" out of their heroics, in this case thrills or excitement, it takes away from how heroic they are.
>>43466598 Honestly, when you put it that way it kind of makes the other guy sound more like a hero since he's actually "risking life and limb" to do the same thing that Saitama is only mildly inconvenienced at worst to do.
>>43466655 Nah still not seeing it. Sure adrenaline may be a factor once it gets going, but most of them do not look the type to get into the fight purely for that. >>43466703 That was one of the aims of the post, yes.
We also had a rather Saitama-like moment from one S-classers - the guy in the dog suit. He was sent to watch over a region with monster activity, and called back "everything is calm". Cut to him sitting on top of a pile of monster corpses, looking pretty bored.
Overall, "one punch" and "bored to death with it" add unique spice to Saitama's character and allow exploration, but the most of him is still grounded in tropes of how a regular good hero functions - if he was more detached from it, he wouldn't be a vector of exploration, after all.
>>43460684 OPM is interesting because the point is that Saitama is the main character, but he's not that interesting - He's not supposed to be. The side characters are the ones who get developed. Saitama is just a framing device.
>>43466266 I like to imagine that if Licenseless Rider faced off against Saitama, Licenseless Rider would survive every punch Saitama would throw at him since we've seen that LR survives way more shit than he should be able to. He wouldn't win, but he wouldn't turn into chunky salsa at least.
I also like to imagine that once LR gets his license he'll go through the same thing Saitama went through to become OP.
>>43465212 >Saitama's just a dude who does hero stuff for fun and somehow acquired phenomenal power just by doing a fairly ordinary workout routine for a few years. I'v only started but I found this bit particularly funny and maybe even a little insightful. Thinking of all the otakus watching this who probably wouldn't even try 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, 100 squats and 10km of running even if it did grant super-powers.
Most superheroes never earn their power or have some incredibly contrived event that gives them SUPERIOR WILL TO ACHIEVE. It's always a lab accident or alien heritage or mental illness and dead parents but it's rarely just because they want to. They don't have to consciously do anything, heroism just gets handed to them by circumstance. Saitama had the marvellous ability of self-motivation. Of all the whinny office drones out there, complaining about their lives he actually made a change. He spent every day training, working towards something he wanted even if it was totally ridiculous. Sure he overachieved to the point meaninglessness but he actually gave his dream a shot. And he still ended up way more powerful then all the mutants, aliens and head-cases.
>>43471457 No, it's not a very hard routine. It's really fucking easy. You're just incredibly out of shape. Humans are built for fucking endurance, that's literally what we're adapted to through evolution.
Jesus Christ, Anon. 10 km is an hour of light jogging a day. There are people who run a marathon a day without even training for it beforehand. The 100 of each of those exercises is literally not even exercise for most people with even a month of physical conditioning.
But without any rest days to recuperate, strain WILL build up even from such routine (especially if someone untrained instantly jumps from nothing to 100/100/100/10km) and in the end it WILL cause issues.
>>43472513 >Converted to real numbers Oh damn. Sorry guys, I shouldn't have replied him. My bad.
>>43472441 I don't know about yours, but my gym has an area for deadlifting and general floor work.
This area has a padded floor, it has bars, and it has weights, it has balls, everything you need.
People walk past this area to the only squat rack in the gym and deadlift in front of it when the deadlift area is empty. They also usually have shitty plate maths, but so does almost everyone else so whatever.
>>43472668 The internet tells me the average walking speed of a person is 3.1 miles per hour. You would have to be pretty unfit to not be able to do a mile in ten minutes. Ten consecutive miles would obviously be harder but still.
>>43472661 You only need rest days when you've done high-intensity work because you're breaking down muscle fibers. You don't need rest days when you're doing cardio, which is why olympic athletes who train for endurance rather than power will train just about every single day (although part of that is the reduced restitution time due to PEDs so that's a bad example I suppose).
Trust me, 10 km 100/100/100 is not a problem for most humans. If it were an actually intensive (not meant as hard, but as in including acutely higher stressors) then rest time would be necessary.
>>43472670 Saitama quite literally is Power Man in all but name. He is not immune to the thrill of combat in theory, but the absence of any credible threat makes it impossible to feel the thrill because nothing is "combat" to him. It's like getting excited over swatting away gnats.
>>43473101 The only way I see that happening is if his punch is so strong a "glitch" in ghthe fabric of reality happens and a quantum bubble appears. Anyone who doesn't know what a quantum bubble is it's basically a bubble of unstable energy that expands at the speed of light and rewrites the universe's physics as it goes.
>>43473559 I can see light going everywhere as the atmosphere is obliterated along with the planet, maybe even a moon or nearby planet is destroyed from barely sub-light speed debris, but I cannot see it realistically occurring no matter how much energy you put in it.
>>43473262 And now you begin to get it. He punches so hard he can punch out physics if he could only be bothered to try. He punches so hard reality fucks up around him, if only he gave enough fucks to punch something that hard. He's so strong trying to measure it has no meaning. And he's so strong because it's a cosmic joke where he's the punchline.
>>43473832 Doesn't matter. The reason really big bombs work on earth is because of the insane pressure wave they cause and he beat and stuff. Take that away the atmosphere and all you have is some mildly unfcomfortable heat along with a pretty light. But I it's a big enough bomb the heat radiation would burn you to a crisp, kinda like how the sun heats the earth.
>>43473959 Okay let's stop you there. Let's say saitama was very generous and punched the planet he was on. Now even if we assume he punched so hard that he sent every single atomic nucleus in the planet in every single different direction at 99.9998675% the speed of light (like the oh my God particle) it would just result in uncountable number of particles each with the energy of a 90 mph baseball zooming everywhere, nowhere near enough to destroy the universe as many of them with just pepper the planets in our solar system and koreen off into space never to be seen again. If he punched so hard that he caused a black hole it'd change everything.
>>43474147 If his punch was enough to destroy half the universe it wouldn't even have to hit anything would it? He'd just throw it out and the energy around his fist would just cause some sort of catastrophic event. Like how that shrimp punches so hard it boils water but scaled up.
The ghost of Uncle Ben descends from the heavens to scold them both for not trying to work out their differences peacefully. Anyway, Saitama was a bit weirded out by the idea of fighting a girl in a fursuit, and Squirrel girl Saitama's baldness is endearing. Tippy-Toe finds a half-off coupon for rice and beans in the gutter, so they head off together to do some shopping. Aunt May bakes a pie.
>>43474283 A shrimp does that inside an atmosphere underwater where it's "air" is much more sense than ours. Anon is trying to explain how pushing in a vacuum ain't gonna do universe-destroying shit at a range father than arms reach.
>>43474406 Vacuums don't work like that. A vacuum is the absence of everything. There is nothing for the energy to travel through in a vacuum. Please go read a fucking book or at least Google the basics of what a vacuum is.
>>43459562 So I'm going to be that guy and give some serious suggestions:
For Advantages: Improved Critical (Unarmed) 4, All-out Attack, Power Attack, Ultimate Effort (Strength and Toughness), Second Chance (First unarmed attack against an opponent), Diehard, Great Endurance
For Powers: Immunity 80 (Toughness, Limited to Half Effect). Not full immunity because he presumably CAN be hurt. It's just that his Toughness and ranks of Impervious Toughness will be so high, that once you halve any damage he takes that he'll shrug it off anyway.
Besides that, you'd just give him high ranks for your typical Powerhouse hero based on whatever PL you settle for him (15 being a MINIMUM). Stuff like Power-Lifting, the previously mentioned Impervious Toughness, Speed, Leaping, and cool Alternate Effects from his Strength, like Groundstrike and Thunderclap. Instead of absurd ranks of Leaping, you could use Movement 1 (Space Travel, Limited to between adjacent planetary bodies) to allow him to leap from the moon to Earth. See the Strength Power Profile for more ideas.
>>43473534 He punches atoms of gases so hard that they accelerate to 0.9999999999999999999999999999C, bouncing around and shattering everything they touch. They easily escape earth, and bounce around the universe for eons, imparting preposterous energy into everything they touch, shattering it and causing more shrapnel at slightly lower (But still extremely near light) speeds.
>>43477924 >Implying Saitama can't punch hard enough to break the dimensional barriers and travel through different worlds If Superboy-Prime can punch reality so hard it resurrects Jason Todd everything is possible.
>People taking the "he can beat anything in one punch," not, "so strong that he can defeat anything in one punch." If his power was being able to one-punch anything, then he wouldn't also be super fast/tough/agile, or even super-strong, he would just be able to puch a thing to make it die. He's got all these other abilities that come from being incredibly strong, because incredible strength & endurance is his power, not "being able to one-punch anything," that's just a relative consequence to his actual physical power (and a misnomer, fucking mosquitoes can survive him; he's not as big-league as you'd think).
Think about Prometheus and tell me he wouldn't be able to weaken him and then just pop him off earth. Saitama can't beat what he can't touch and Prometheus can put a universal distance between the two of them or again just weaken him and what is he without his strength?
*What this largely does is illustrate the misuse of "Stamina," as physical-toughness, when Strength should dictate how durable your character is as well, as the more athletic you are the more stamina you have in general. Having Strength and Con/For/Sta/etc be a separate stat can work if you what a stat for resolve or literal internal fortitude, but having what amounts to a character's cardiovascular fitness or high-tox resistance also determine how tough their external pain tolerance and literal/actual physical durability is dumb. Fortitude should be Stamina, but Strength should determine Toughness; and in this case his would be +45. Additionally M&M, like so many RPGs, fails to recognize that the stronger your muscles are, the higher your potential speed is as well.
Additionally, accuracy is almost always sacrificed when translating an element from a narrative to a mechanic; mechanics have to be exact, defined, and literal, while narrative elements do generally abide by a set of self-governing rules, those rules are defined as they are needed, leaving the author with a thousand times more leeway and wiggle room when it comes to a character's abilities. Saitoma's just a guy with impossibly packed muscles, which consequently also makes him insanely quick and durable.
>>43479022 I know, but my friend brought up bullshit about adamantine being infused into Wolverine's tendons and blood cells and generally acted way too butthurt, so Death Battle can't be all that bad.
>>43479240 The tendons thing probably is how some (dumb) writer tried to hand wave why people don't just pull and Ultimate Hulk and tear Logan in half more often. Ignoring the fact that hardened tendons have no use.
>>43479284 I really liked Wolverine back when he was just a dude with claws, senses, a mysterious past, a Japanese girlfriend, and who healed like a normal person, just all the way from things he shouldn't.
>>43474972 You know even win that it wouldn't change much, they'd still have the power of a fastball. Besides they'll still be going at sublight speed and won't even leave the milky way galaxy for another 200,000,000 years or so.
>>43479014 I agree its entertaining for the most part. But some of their decisions just piss me off, like the Toph Vs. Gaara fight. They took Toph at her strongest and put her in her young body, but ignored the Shukaku in the fight completely, additionally somehow letting Toph earthbend when she couldn't move anything.
>>43459562 When you try and fight Saitama, roll as many dices as you can. This is the number of times he'll dodge instead of one-hitting you. Then you're dead. He'd be a game mechanic, not a character.
>>43480257 Shukaku was the demon sealed within Gaara. He didn't really have any characterization, other than psychopath, until late in shippuden. >>43480177 >>43480219 What I really would have liked to see was Toph Vs Magneto
>>43480395 At full power Magneto would just suppress the EM force of electrons, not even a fair fight. Marvel characters in general have the problem that some hack wrote them as having stupid bullshit OP powers and abilities and suddenly it's canon, like the Hulk beating a super-demon-powered Dr. Strange or Dr. Doom fighting off a host of Celestials.
>>43480486 Well Doom's suit is so fucking powerful that I'm not surprised. The list of relics and bullshit materials he has in that suit is staggering. Apparently here's even a few chunks of the original cross in there.
>>43480518 He's been around for a hell of a lot longer than a month. Over six months ago people were hyped about the anime trailer but now that he first half dozen episodes are out people are going full nerd over it.
>>43480647 It's only been leaking on to other boards in the past month or so. It's been almost impossible to go a couple of days without a thread jerking it off to how unbeatable this fictional character is.
>>43480486 I like the one where the hulk can see ghosts because bruce banner is that paranoid about his dad coming back from the dead. >>43480665 In fairness the whole point of the comic is he cant be beat. Like not even usual shonen you cant beat the protagonist levels. Even he is butthurt about it.
>>43480694 So what's the point in masturbatory threads like this? Like TTGL, like JoJo, like everything else this is just FOTM. The one thing that makes it even worse is how everyone has to smugly point out that the exercise is pointless because the character is the best character that ever existed in any setting, objectively.
And then the whole process gets repeated two days later. I can't wait to see the same people making the same points about how Saitama is omnipotent tomorrow, on a brand new thread asking us to stat him in a different system or comparing him to a character from a /tg/-setting.
>>43480718 uh, anon, both those things you listed as flavor of the month are enduring favorites that are still discussed when similar content comes up.
does "flavor of the month" mean "important cultural milestone that will be part of the common vernacular for years to come" to you? Because, based on your past examples of FoTM, that is what it seems like you think it means.
>>43480718 I don't know man, whats the point of any of these threads? Do you know how many times I have read about riptides being bullshit? I don't even play 40K. People like to discuss things, if you don't want to look at it then don't. The catalog condenses all the things you hate into one easily ignored picture.
>>43480739 I think you might not understand how human content cycles work.
When a thing has a new content release, or is exposed to a new audience, it will be discussed more frequently than it is discussed at other times. This pattern follows for nearly every industry or media one can care to mention.
This is perfectly normal, and part of the lifespan of any product, media, or image.
>>43480743 Except there's merit in a discussion about how to try and counter riptides using certain armies.
In the case of OPM, every discussion has to end in 'he cannot be statted, he cannot be beaten, he always wins everything forever.' There shouldn't be a discussion on the matter at all yet somehow, threads like this are drawn out into two hundred post slogs. That's the worst part, there's no merit to discussing anything about the character.
>>43479448 Look you mouthbreathing retard, Saitama's punch can destroy half the universe. That's a fact. From there, you just need to work backwards to find out how much energy he needs to throw a punch with in order to achieve that.
Now, does anybody know roundabout how much energy it would take to destroy half the universe?
>>43465993 But Saitama isn't enjoying the fantasy. He's fucking BORED. If it was a power trip dream, he'd dream about actually working to defeat an opponent, not a guy who is bored because he can kill things in one punch.
>>43483434 What if he could just punch with enough force to instantly convert 1/4 of the universe to antimatter which would then anihilate with another 1/4 of the universe, leaving 1/2 the universe left?
is that how antimatter works? I don't know physics
>>43485415 Kinda, only problem is the anti-matter would have a leidenfrost effect and wouldn't annihilate immediately. I more think his punch would go so fast that relativity comes into play and it would gain greater than infinite mass, due to going faster than the speed of light, and that would propagate a wave of gravity that would act like a moving event horizon destroying everything it comes into contact with. Due to the inertia of the punch the wave would only propagate in one direction though.
>>43471617 You forgot about the most important part of doing crossfit. More important than form. More important than how much you can do. Even more important than actually fucking working out. You have to make sure everybody you know and everybody you meet knows that you do crossfit.
>>43492859 why don't you? I'm under no obligation to do research for you. a google Scholar search will show quite a few papers about them. they are an interesting phenomena that were predicted by einstein.
Somebody said something really interesting in another thread. The world Saitama lives in is weird because you can do weird shit just by believing. Saitama became a hero after doing the most menial training. For him it was grueling though. But he overcame is very very shitty "limit". He went beyond what many other strong characters in the series couldn't even do. He overcame HIS personal limit ans that made him super strong because in-universe magic bullshit. Heck we're talking about a world where a guy transform into a giant monster because he ate too much crab.
>>43460573 >>43472277 >It's really fucking easy It is, but suddenly going 10km a day non-stop for three years when you haven't even been doing routine exercises before will definitely do more harm than good.
Technically speaking, OPM is pretty fuggen powerful for the fact that he pretty consistently deals 99-100% damage to whatever he hits, and he also has exceptional durability and superhuman perception, but aside from that, he's rather average mentally and intelligence-wise, with "only" decent agility (which is indeed good, but pales in comparison to his endurance).
But treating him as more then a talking plot device is going the wrong way about things, as most anons have stated. You avoid 1PM by not having him involved with you in the first place.
>>43472277 10km/hr is not a light jog unless you are fairly tall. For most people that's an intermediate pace. I'd be very impressed with someone that could run for that long every single day, though it is true that that is not an effective training routine.
>>43498198 >with "only" decent agility (which is indeed good, but pales in comparison to his endurance). He has unlimited speed. Not just "decent" He just never tries, but he's shown to be faster than the speed o sound sonic and lightspeed flash
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