>>43471545 >ONLY GUARDS ARE ALLOWED TO BRING WEAPONS INTO THE CITY
This is a very good way to either make the players avoid that city even if the main plot leads them there, or get them to murder guards and poorly disguise themselves to get in.
PCs will never voluntarily give up their equipment because years, if not decades of experience with both tabletop and videogames have taught them that any time someone takes your weapons from you, you'll be ambushed or led into a trap not even minutes later.
>>43471674 Essentially you wrap your weapons in cloth in such a way that it is hard to bring them out of their sheaths, it's perfectly acceptable way of making sure peoe just do straight up kill people, but also requires a level of abiding by the law.
>>43471867 not until heller vs dc in 2008 when the supreme court finally ruled that the 2nd amendment does protect firearm ownership as an individual right. before then many states believed it was just about militias and had very strict laws that made gun ownership impractical or outright impossible.
>>43472023 >>43472039 >>43472099 >No weapons allowed >no armor allowed >no spell component pouches allowed >Monk's face when he is suddenly the most powerful motherfucker in the land because none of his abilities are based on any material thing
>>43472039 >>43472023 >>43472982 >doing a game where players are visiting an old criminal boss and have to turn in their weapons >as they're being led through the monk says "My hands are my weapons." >they put his hands in oven mitts and thank him for being honest
>>43471545 >No real city would ever institute a policy like this unless they were retarded
Toyotomi Hideyoshi did this to every peasant in Japan, and apparently, it was quite effective. Of course, that's because it's purpose of such a policy is to suppress revolts, not protect peasantry you dumbass.
>>43471777 >Australia >Only police are allowed to have guns unless you jump through a dozen hoops red-taped shut. >Oh, by the way we have one of the lowest homocide rates in the world and no mass shootings since gun control came into effect.
That's why my sorceress carries several arcane foci on her disguised as jewellery. The large crystal embedded in her staff and her wand are hard to miss but the several rings, the ruby necklace, the tiara, earrings and even the small bag of gemstones all look utterly innocuous and taking them away would look suspiciously like robbing a rich lady.
>>43475194 /k/ here, heard someone talkin shit about 2A like I wouldnt find out
>>43475113 >A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, BEING NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRONGED.
it's 26 words nigga. now I know old english is difficult sometimes, but some of the smartest people in this country have gone over it and decided the first bit is simply a prefatory clause. Let's take that same basic format and apply it to something else
>A well balanced breakfast, being necessary to the start of a health day, the right of the people to keep and eat food shall not be infringed.
Now who has the right to keep and eat food? "the people", or "A well balanced breakfast?
>>43475280 >Ma'am as a representative of Dwarven law I must ask you to hand over your highly visible valuable, else the insane lust for gold of our race by incensed by them in our pleasant city streets
>>43475201 Held up at gun point. Only two of the hostages got killed and that was in the crossfire between the police.
And I must stress this, this was the first event of it's kind in close to twenty years. Nearly twenty years without a major incident when Australia used to have more and grander mass shootings then America.
And now several politicians want to change the law to make getting guns easier.
>>43475289 False equivalence though, a militia is built of the people who have that right in that formation and group, a breakfast isn't built out of people. And to that respect just as many smart people have gone over it and analyzed the intent of that writing and come up with the exact opposite interpretation
>>43475299 Actually the store was targeted because it was across the road from a news station. He originally wanted to target the news station itself but realised at the last minute there would be security personal present.
I don't understand America. most nations, when they have a potentially damaging, ancient law written from a completely diferent time and culture, tend to go about and change it. America enshrines it and threatens to use leathal force if someone has the audacity to suggest it's why schools are being regularly depleted of students.
>>43475289 The fact that Americans treat their centuries-old constitution like a goddamn holy book, quibbling over the wording of long-dead men instead of just deciding on what serves the needs of society and its people NOW, is the weirdest fucking thing to me. It's like a legal theocracy.
>>43475280 "Would you take an old man's walking stick?" indeed.
>>43476281 If he realizes it, then the entire issue would not seem very strange at all, because people arguing over competing values is quite common. It seems like he'd rather pretend Americans are just operating off some sort of alien psychology rather than operating in much the same way people have throughout all of history.
Alternatively, he could be posturing in order to appear to be superior to a conflict he fully well understands, but I think it'd be nice to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume ignorance rather than a childish sense of self-aggrandizement.
>>43476038 Because America's history is so tied to gun violence it's not even funny. Gun violence made us our own nation. Gun violence kept our nation together. Gun violence expanded our borders. We used gun violence to help bring an end to tyranny. We used gun violence to enforce and protect our national interests. Guns have been used throughout our history for hunting, for law enforcement, for competition.
To eliminate the 2nd Amendment is to drastically change who we are as a people. For every loud mouthed person shouting that America doesn't need guns anymore, there are ten more for whom hunting or competition/recreational shooting is a way of life. Combine that with a generation of disgruntled veterans coming home to a country that is ambivalent about them at best and hates them at worst. Every guy I know who's gotten out has purchased their own AR and tooled it up for gunfighting, myself included. The surge in AR type rifles being purchased across the country due to manufacturers building parts and accessories for them because of 15 years of war?
We'll always have guns. The individuals and groups that are against gun ownership can scream as loud as they want.
We'll always have guns. Nothing will ever change that.
>my wood furniture deer rifle has more killing power >than my scary high capacity military baby-killing black rifle
Any free appendage may be used for an unarmed strike. This includes head, fists, elbows, knees, and feet. (Also tail, tentacles, and wings if inhuman.) The only unarmed monk is a sleeping monk. And even then, there's probably a feat for that.
>>43476038 >just deciding on what serves the needs of society and its people NOW
It's called the amendment process, it's not exactly impossible, just difficult. Which is a good thing. We have a tendency to want extreme solutions to current problems, which might solve the current problem, but could also present problems down the road. So it's best that we only do amendments to the constitution when we're really positootly sure most people want it.
If for example, there was a large consensus that the 2nd A wasn't necessary anymore, then we could ditch it or rewrite it with a new amendment.
>Violent crime dropping like a stone across the country >Assault Weapons ban literally accomplishes nothing >Homicide at an all-time low >Gun carry rights at a century high >This trend is showing no sign of stopping whatsoever >A bunch of rednecks with guns humiliate the BLM for trying to steal farmers' cattle >Now, of ALL times, is the time to strip away the 2nd Amendment Rights of the American people because "y-you d-don't NEED an assault rifle!"
It's really baffling to me that these people exist. You'd think folks would've gotten over trying to restrict the personal liberties of other people by now.
>>43477594 They're armchair despots, the only thing that brings them joy in life is trying to "fix" everyone else in the world while their own problems spiral out of control and eventually lead to their suicide.
Why can't the justification "it's a hobby" be enough?
Realistically speaking, arguments for self defense, or a last defense against tyranny are overly cautious at best, and delusional at worst. I feel like most people own guns because they like to collect/hunt/range shoot. Can't we all agree those are basically harmless hobbies?
As a side note, I'm sure there are some people who actually need guns for self defense, but is that really representative of gun owners?
>>43477594 I want to say that is a divide between the urban and the rural, bit then you have cities out in the Western US that love guns. I don't own a gun myself for a couple reasons, but I don't want anyone taking away my right to own one if I choose to.l in the future.
>BLM, an unelected government agency formed to resolve territorial lands between states, uses its authority to nationalize a bunch of grazeland >Tells farmers who have been there for 120 years to stop being there because according to a study that nobody actually took a species of non-endangered turtle is threatened there >By the way the Senate Majority Leader's nephew runs an energy company and wants to buy the land but the farmers haven't been selling >Totally unrelated though ;^) >Farmers tell them to eat shit >BLM literally sends in jackbooted thugs to confiscate cattle >Thousands of rednecks with machineguns show up and force the fascists to give the cattle back at gunpoint or they'll fucking murder them >BLM rolls over like the faggot bitches that they are >Literally go home crying to the government for help >Government is afraid of starting a civil war, doesn't do shit >Obama stutters and mills around mumbling something about the danger of violent Americans while Baltimore burns to the ground in an orgy of basketball practice >Gun sales skyrocket >Suddenly school shootings are an 'epidemic' >Sovereign citizens are now rated as a greater threat to the American people than ISIS >Gun sales skyrocket more >Entire American Left on suicide watch >Thankfully can't commit suicide because they don't own guns
>>43477445 It really is astonishing how many people must have passionately cared about prohibition in order to get the momentum for a constitutional amendment. Only for it immediately not fucking matter at all.
>>43471545 >ONLY GUARDS ARE ALLOWED TO BRING WEAPONS INTO THE CITY
This is worth doing just to see how the party reacts. I've had a lot of fun with towns or villages outright banning weaponry and spell books because they've had incidents with adventurers before.
Usually the town winds up finding their policy justified, as the party almost inevitably gets into a fight where villagers die. Players rarely think about incidental damage when throwing projectiles and spells around.
As an aside: Can you explain the big opposition to stuff like Background Checks and Mandatory waiting times?
Those sorts of things are applied to a LOT of stuff. Not arguing for no guns...just wondering why it's opposed to have any sort of control on par with say...motor vehicles. Where you need a licence and the government has records of that stuff so they can identify stuff in case of an accident/vehicular homicide.
>>43477840 I want you to ask yourself if, in your heart of hearts, you really think this is an applicable question and a case of true equivalence. Remember you're arguing with someone on the internet, and that 'winning the debate' isn't going to get you any accolades, change any minds, or significantly impact the real world. Just take a moment to think about it, please.
>>43477732 >Chicago Corrupt. Also known as Chiraq due to murder rates. > New York Corrupt, run by small city. Still has violent crime. Former Mayor who pushed gun laws has more armed guards than any other mayor much less former mayor. > Mexico Gee wiz that lack of guns sure helps protect those cattle ranchers against those heavily armed cartels some of which were armed by anti gun us officials for contriversial reasons. >>43477822 Everyone deserves the right to self defense anon. Best way to protect yourself against a mad man with a gun is also a gun. >>43477885 Am I allowed to detect good on every guardsman in town and every politician in the city to determine if they are evil and deserving of smiting? Cause I am going to do that. >>43477866 >>43477843 >>43478007 Missouri here. Reminder that Kansas is the prime evil of all states. Kansas hates fun, booze and wants you to never have a good time. Proof: caused prohibition to happen due to being the region where the temperance movement started.
On a game note I would go to a different village or stay outside of town. I am not going to be ass deep in assassins due to some dumb ass GM deciding to play political agenda in a gaming campaign.
>>43477944 Not everyone is opposed to those things, but many are for a few reasons. Most of them boil down to the cake metaphor.
You have a cake. It's called the 2nd Amendment. It clearly outlines that you can own guns. Then someone comes and demands the cake from you. You say no. They say "fine, let's compromise," and they take half of your cake.
Then a few weeks later they come back and demand the rest. You say now. They say "fine, let's compromise," and take half of what remains.
This repeats itself until you are left with a very small slice of your cake. Now you can't import guns from other countries, there are fines attached to everything, you can't own some guns because they look scary (not because they're more dangerous, they just look scary) and now the guy wants to also let the government check your history, which of course you have to pay for, and wants to make you wait a week to buy it.
How many pieces of your cake is this asshole entitled to? Why are you forced to "compromise" when you've already compromised away nine tenths of your cake? They can't even prove that these things have a meaningful effect on violent crime, New York spent millions on a gun-registry complete with bullets for cross-referencing against criminals, and it didn't catch ONE person. Not even one.
Every compromise is just another infringement upon rights that you were guaranteed by the document that grants the State its legitimacy. Why stand for them? They're not making anyone safer, they're not making anyone's lives better, they're just costing you money and making your life harder.
>>43473355 We actually gave our monk a knife just so he had something to visibly disarm as a sign of peace. Just walking into a place with his hands held up, people kept assuming he had a hidden weapon (which I suppose he technically did) or were immediately wary of spell shenanigans.
>>43477944 waiting times will never stop a single murder, but they've gotten people killed before. fact it, a murderous person who gets told "no guns4u" while they've got a murdermind going "in the heat of passion" or whatever is just gonna go home and beat/stab their girlfriend to death anyhow. now, on the other hand, a gal walks into a gun store, because her crazy stalker ex has threatened to murder her and clearly don't give a fuck about the restraining order, so she wants a gun Just In Case. now, she gets told "you can't take this home for seven days, ma'am" and then she gets raped and strangled the next day because her shitbag ex has a crowbar and knife and she doesn't have a gun because of waiting periods. this happened to my cousin's best friend. five years later, when one of my cousin's exes went psycho, I was luckily able to lend her a gun, and she put a 20 gauge buck load through his chest, but her friend didn't get the chance because of "lol waiting periods"
as for background checks, I have never met a single person opposed to them. in fact, the most passionately pro-gun folks that I've ever met have been campaigning to allow civilians to access the background check system, so that you CAN check people for private sales, which the gov't currently makes impossible for no rational reason.
>>43477944 all available evidence suggests none of that really affects gun crime because most criminals freely admit they don't get their weapons from licensed dealers like the rest of us, they borrow one from a family member or steal one, or buy one from their crack dealer, etc.
The extra red tape and bureaucracy is mostly just to discourage people from the gun buying process because it becomes too much of a hassle for your average person who isn't interested in firearms as a hobby to deal with. many people on the pro-gun side view this as part of a larger scale plan to drive down interest in firearms over a generation or so and make it easier to implement further gun control. and even though it sounds crazy the candid conversations of antigun people leads some to believe there's a strange grain of truth to that theory.
>>43476038 >The fact that Americans treat their centuries-old constitution like a goddamn holy book I wouldn't expect a foreigner to understand how the fundamental enumerated rights we have are more powerful and valuable than any fleeting politician or party.
>>43477944 We already have background checks enforced on all non-private gun purchases. Any firearms purchased from a FFL holder (gun shops, pawn shops, ect) has to a NICs check on the purchaser from the FBI. Waiting periods are stupid. Registries are only useful if some government entity wants to know who has what so they can take it from you by force if they feel that you're a threat to them.
>>43478049 The issue with this kind of thinking is that a basic, functioning democracy requires the average citizen to trust one another at some level to reach a consensus. If you're going to assume that any compromise if going to fail, logically you shouldn't even bother with a political system that relies on compromise in the first place.
To get back to the topic, this guy got it right: >>43471966 There's absolutely no reason for a local official to be anything but suspicious about a group of armed vagrants who just entered his town, especially is he starts making demands about natural rights that would be completely anachronistic is a feudal setting.
>>43477885 (attempt to bring this thread out of the deep hole of shit it's currently in, despite the fact that this kind of thread is posted at least 3 times a week) In my current group, it would go something like this: LG dorf hands over his weapons after some grumbling Naive halfling ranger follows his example because she has no idea how the world works and is a shitty roleplayer anyway Warlock and wizard give exactly zero fucks Barbarian is very proficient in improvised weapons (once critted a behir with a stool, crushing its head in) and laughs at the puny guards before handing over his unwashed and blood-encrusted mobile armory Rogue will probably just steal her shit back from wherever the weapons are stored the moment she gets a chance.
>>43478209 well, yes and no. a lot of people say "to hell and gone with every damn bit of ATF bureaucracy", but if you specifically asked them about background checking, every one of them would likely want some way to check "is this guy a convicted serial rapist/bankrobber crack dealer" it's a weird one, I'll agree
>>43478214 "Vehicle mounted" can be anything with enough imagination.
But stuff like legit, legally transferable full-auto MGs and warheads do exist. More hoops to go through, and you have to pay a tax stamp and register the item with the ATF.
Not to mention full-fun MGs are retarded expensive because no new guns have been added to the registry since the ban in '68. Hence why a Sten goes for $6k, a legit Vietnam bring-back AK-47/AKM goes for $20k, an M2 Browning Machine Gun (fat .50) goes for $40k+, ect.
>Registries are only useful if some government entity wants to know who has what so they can take it from you by force if they feel that you're a threat to them.
Is that how it works with cars?
Also: I'd be impressed by the person who DID have the sort of firearms needed to stop the government sending the military to take his guns. The sort of days when a lone man or even a militia could stand up to the government with guns have kinda passed by with the invention of the Tank.
>>43478214 That's another thing. If you took every gun ever used in a homicide in the USA, and sorted them into piles by type:
Assault Rifles: A small pile. Assault rifles cost thousands of dollars, and only range-queens own them to begin with. Who murders someone with an assault rifle?
Shotguns: A pile one hundred times the size of the Assault Rifle pile.
Rifles: A pile twice the size of the Shotgun pile.
Pistols: A pile ten times the size of the Rifle pile.
So you have a pile of pistols the size of Eritrea, and comparatively tiny piles of rifles, shotguns, a nigh-invisible pile of assault rifles, and then like one Maduce or something that someone probably used in the 70s.
Yet the discussion is never around pistols, because pistols are the weapons actually useful for self defense, and legislation to ban them has already proven utterly ineffective (Washington DC is fucking hell, a guy in Jersey got arrested for saving his own life with a handgun he had had to buy in another State, etc.)
The result is that gun-grabbers focus on big scawy machineguns because despite nobody ever using them in crimes, it's a battle they think they can win. This by itself should destroy all credibility of the confiscatory groups.
>>43478189 Civil religion is a real thing. The Constitution is the holy book, founding fathers and notable presidents are prophets, there are holy days (4th of July for example), holy symbols (the flag), leaders (president), etc.
We all learned the Pledge of Allegiance before we knew what "allegiance" meant, same as we all learned the Our Father before we knew what "hallowed" meant.
It's a weird way to think about our relationship with our nation, but it certainly explains a lot. The way people react to other people saying they don't like America or expressing "heretical" opinions (communism and denial of American exceptionalism come to mind) is remarkably similar to the way devoutly religious individuals react to a similar situation.
>>43478277 what would a gun registry actually accomplish? So you have a list and on that list it says Mr. Todd Jones owns a glock 19 and a bushmaster XMS-15 rifle. Big whoop. Now you're spending lots and lots of government money on people to handle all the paperwork and data entry as well as storage space for all of this information. for well over ~100 million americans. and what does it actually do for us? if someone is going to commit a crime with a gun, they take 5 minutes with a file and scrape the serial number off. most do this anyway and there isn't even a federal gun registry.
>>43478277 car registries are literally for the purpose of "is this a car that has passed safety regs for road use?" the gun equivalent would be having your carry gun (if you have a CCW) checked and registered on the "this guy's carry gun is not fucky" list to make sure it's not broken or liable to go off without a trigger pull. not saying "everybody has to give us a list of every gun they own so that we know who has what gun for reasons" shit, I own a raggedy-assed old pickup that's not registered to me or anybody because it's not road-legal
Funny thing: In Australia it's pistols that are most heavily restricted.
Shotguns and hunting rifles are not that hard to get (You need a licence/listed need for one but 'Has a farm/is a member of a gun club' is a listed need for a hunting shotgun/rifle). Pistols however? They are hard as fuck to get a licence for and you basically need to be a cop.
>>43478357 >People don't go hunting with pistols. maybe you don't of course people won't hunt with pistols when you make it illegal to >"it's illegal to hunt with pistols" >nobody does it because it's illegal >SEE YOU DON'T NEED A PISTOL TO HUNT fuggin kangaroo logic
>>43478357 >People don't go hunting with pistols. Possibly true in Australia. Not universally true worldwide.
There are special handgun-only seasons in some parts of the US for whitetail deer, for example, and for the accomplished smallbore pistol shooter, small game animals like rabbits and squirrels are challenging targets, devious and unpredictable.
Please don't take this the wrong way. This isn't /pol/ and I'm not trying to be a belligerent asshole about the matter, just pointing out a minor cultural difference.
>>43478357 Here in NZ you have to be an active member of a pistol club to get a B-category license. A-cat, which is non-military, non-automatic shotguns and rifles, just needs you to pass a test and have a safe to store them in.
It's funny how any mention of guns on the net gets a million Americans clambering out of the woodwork to rant.
>That argument is fallacious thus it is untrue >Fallacy of Fallacies
Additionally, and my argument/philosophy class might be about seven years ago from college, but I am fairly certain that it's only a Slippery Slope if it isn't accurate or happening.
>>43478224 >>43478227 I would probably have the rest of the party leave the town to it's own devices. Clearly the guards have their shit-hole of a town under control and I am sure that the violence in town is all unarmed. (unless a shit ton of badass monks or some shit entered town and decided to take over. Which would be a pretty bad ass plot hook to be honest.)
Rogue Trader: Shoots the Feudal Worlder for wasting his time. Demands to see the mayor. Seneshal: Advices to Guards that doing so would upset the Rogue Trader who has vastly superior technology and no patience for their lack of ability in being able to do their job well. Arbite: Press Gangs the guards into ship duty. Me: Clean up the god damn mess the Rogue Trader makes killing everyone on the way to the mayors office, try to throw the inquisition from what the hell is about to happen. >>43478282 Elon Musk has stated that the second robot cars become a thing this will probably happen shortly after. So it's more of a when down the road you will see it thing. >>43478408 >>43478477
They are also great for killing the charging feral pig you accidentally missed the heart of with your bow. >>43478460 But Anon! Constitution is an old outdated document!
>>43478477 >feels Why would that ever matter to anyone other than yourself? >>43478495 And no one wants to modify it. There you go. Frankly, if 100% of all people in the world decided that the world was created 200 years ago, history would be 'moddable' as well, but it isn't.
>>43478404 The use of political ideology as a basis for the legitimacy for the existence of a state is hardly unique to the United States. Unlike say, Europe, where most of the states base legitimacy on representing a certain ethnic group, the United States bases its legitimacy on a concept of civic nationalism based around adherence to a somewhat loosely defined democratic ideology. As such, the sense of what it is to be "American" has a more overt, political meaning to it.
>>43478455 The only reason to use a pistol is because you don't have a shotgun. The only reason to use a shotgun is because you don't have a long gun. The only reason to use a long gun is because you don't have a semi-auto rifle. You use each one to get the next one up, buddy.
>>43478495 Alright Anon. Why should I trust a government with my right to free speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion if I am not allowed the freedom to the only amendment that allows me to bare arms and defend myself? >>43478524 >>43478539 Less people want to modify the Second Amendment these days than before- but the media pushes it because obama pushes and other urbanites want to push it.
There are shit tons of things that kill more than Guns in the US. Cars, Swimming Pools, Food Poisoning, Trampolines and falls but guns arethe only thing that can defend you from someone corrupt in power. People deserve the right self defese, hell people in europe are buying guns in record numbers. The people who want to modify it are the same who want to modify your right to free speech on the internet or even have the internet anon. They get better press and are able to put more media pressure on the subject thus making people think that a ton of people want it but they don't. It's like ten people having a megaphone pushing their opinion because they are louder than 10,000 mute people.
>>43478477 my person reason is we hunt wild pigs with dogs. it's less hunting and more chase the dogs until they manage to grab a pig and hold it down then I run up and shoot it in the brain. having a pistol in a secure holster is easier to run through the woods with than a rifle across my back. Most people say they just enjoy the challenge of hunting with a pistol.
>>43471545 >ONLY CITIZENS ARE ALLOWED TO WEAR KNIFES LONGER THAN TWO SPANS >ONLY CITIZENS WHO'RE EITHER ON GUARD DUTY OR ALL ABLE-BODIED CITIZENS AFTER THE STORM BELL HAS BEEN RUNG TO INDICATE A SIEGE IN PROGRESS ARE ALLOWED TO WEAR ARMOUR WITHIN CITY LIMITS >NOTOFICATIONS OF EXEPTIONS WILL BE POSTED AT THE GATE AND READ OUT LOUT BY THE TOWN HERALD TWICE A DAY. AT ALL OTHER TIMES, INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE FROM THE GUARD CAPTAIN IN CHARGE AT THE USUAL FEES.
>>43478541 you aren't wrong, but I'd rather allow people to hunt in dumb ways than not >>43478585 I agree wholeheartedly, but the only shotgun that I can CC is an AOW, and I don't feel like being the next gary fadden if I have to pull. as for long guns, I keep a para FAL in my car, but I can't really walk around with it, can I? what I *can* do is keep the Tanfoglio .38 super in an IWB holster, since a long gun is impractical
>Electrician tasered with 50,000 volts for carrying a screwdriver in his pocket http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2203982/Electrician-tasered-50-000-volts-police-bring-having-SCREWDRIVER-pocket.html
Except it wasn't really the muskets that kept them safe. It was the fact that America was Way The Fuck Over There and that made the logistics of the war utter hell. Even then it took France's help to prevent England winning.
If America had been as close as say, France or Ireland, England would have steamrolled them.
>>43478639 I am not in favor of gun control unless everything that is as deadily as gun control requires the same amount of stringent regulation that gun control gets anon. I want the US to be the safest country in the world!
I want a three week back ground check to buy castor beans. They might be banned in california because Ricin is so deadly but hey you can always go to Nevada for them. I want a mandatory mental health exam for a person to buy a car, and make the person have to pay for it if they have a gararage. I also charges to be higher and vehicular manslaughter to always be charged as murder. I want DWIs to cause you to never drive anything ever again. I want swimming pools to have mandatory covers over them for when they are not in use and special storage for them so they cannot cause an accidental drowning death. I want stares to be so short and slopeless that each house in america with multiple stories need to be radically redisigned and all americans to have life alert and pay for it.
I want to watch the whole US be strangled by red tape so assholes like you realize how pointless laws like this are when if someone is truly willing to kill you nothing can stop them, especially the fucking law.
That way you will know my pain when I want to go shoot pheasant for fun and eat the fruits of my labor.
>>43478620 That's why we did so fantastic in Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam. And of course the US government would happily use a helicopter get someone held up in a building filled with civvies. Actually they might with how fucked up people in power are.
>>43478715 You know we had the backing of the nation of France, and all that entails, right? Hell, we got our asses beat plenty. So I guess if the good people of China will "volunteer" and bring their MiGs and tanks over like in Korea, sure, you'll stop government tyranny with your AR-15s.
>>43478766 Actually Russia would back a texas seccession. Putin has said stated as much. But if you think the US would go full on killing spree on it's on civvies like it would in a proper war and not a civil war you are gravely mistaken. See >>43478783 >>43478776 Until they determine that having depression means that you cannot have a car. Or that having OCD or Autism means you are unfit to drive. Also just realize that the government would likely determine what is and what isn't mental health. They are so good at doing that right?
>>43478812 Why would your own nation's military carry out a war against their own friends and family? You do know the kind of people America's military is comprised of, right? Hint: they're not made in a factory.
>>43478827 well it's already legal for literally anyone to drive a car without any sort of test or competency or safety, as long as they do it on private property. the licensing and other various requirements are only necessary to drive on public roads.
>>43478804 >But if you think the US would go full on killing spree on it's on civvies like it would in a proper war and not a civil war you are gravely mistaken. I don't think that. I also don't think most Americans will become actual terrorists to keep their toys.
>>43478837 >>43478812 There are a whole series of pics on it. The writer had NDAs and some of the information was classified but it doesn't seem that far off considering the precentage of the US that would back a military coup right now...
>>43478833 >>43478827 Cars are fine they way they are, but I honestly think Insurance can turn into a racket. The point is guns are already over-regulated enough as it is. >>43478841 Most states require tests for CCW already.
>>43478895 Show me proof that the modern firearms currently being produced and sold are built for killing other people. I own 12 guns and I've never killed a single person. I guess all of my guns are shitty and fucking broken.
>>43478880 >>43478888 People would be right to shoot burglars. The same thing happened in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina- the mayor thought it was a brilliant idea to confiscate all guns in the city. Guess what happened? So many police officers were shot trying to steal guns from law-abiding citizens that the MAYOR apologized and said he would never do that again.
>>43471545 There's a quote one guy I used to quest with shared that seems very appropriate to this subject: "No matter how sweet his words, no man that tries to disarm you is your friend." Considering the number of times being disarmed has led to the party being ambushed, attacked, or otherwise thrown into combat without their weapons, I'd say he hit the nail on the head.
>>43478903 you wanna know why civvies are literally not allowed to use the background check system? so that the ATF and it's boys can handwring about the "gun show loophole" in front of congress, when they have the power to eliminate it with a wave of their hand, but don't, because that wouldn't allow them to take more steps towards total, 100% firearms prohibition an confiscation, their endgame
>>43475112 The problem is always going to be that America's War on Drugs radically inflates our homicide rate. In general if the government didn't do so many retarded things to empower murderous drug distributors we'd be on the low end of western nations for murder rate.
>>43471545 >No real city would ever institute a policy like this unless they were retarded But anon, most of the world do that IRL because they are retarded. This is literally gun control Also, obviously the thief guild controls the city council to ensure such a law remains in effect
>>43478322 True but then you also have the weird Euro thing of thinking a person's nationality as anything besides where they were born. The idea that you can be born somewhere without automatically being a citizen is scary and cultish. Oh yeah you've been in Germany all your life but you aren't a "real" German because your parents weren't "real" Germans.
Or you know the weird crusades you guys pursue against the Gypsies for no fucking reason.
>>43478930 You're in a town that just got ass-fucked sideways by a massive hurricane and the subsequent flooding. What people are around are predominantly looters. Now, two men in police officer uniforms show up outside your home. What do they want? Why, they want you to hand over your guns of course! How does this NOT sound like some thugs who found policeman uniforms and decided it'd be a good idea to trick people into letting themselves get robbed?
So how do you defend against someone with a gun? Good will and cheer? Pissing your pants? If they are made for killing people then are you saying I shouldn't have a right to defend myself against killers?
>> Hurr durr martial arts Even Bruce Lee thought this idea was a shit >> Hurr Durr Police By the time they arrive the damage is done. >> What if nobody has a gun You can 3d print a gun now anon or make one out of scrap. Ammo isn't hard to make either. That argument died.
>>43478961 >Taking something you legally own > Without Permission > With Weapons Your right it's armed robbery. >>43478966 You can 3d print guns, make them in auto shop and build the ammo from home fairly easy. That Argument died.
>>43473664 Kek, nice job [s]abusing[/s] using nobility exactly as intended. Best part is that you don't have to be noble born, just have to be pragmatic enough to score a title for your saving of the day
>>43478766 If it was just American muskets yeah they'd lose, just like if it was just the AR-15s, but in both cases those would be a vital component of any armed revolt. Would the French be willing to back an unarmed colonial army? Would say big oil or Russia back an unarmed Texas session?
Now personally I think secessionist talk is at best stupid and at worst treasonous, but it's not like it's impossible. If in theory one of our government officials went all Robespierre I'd like that as an option. I also don't want our current government to discount the possibility that disgruntled dangerous people might foster secession.
>>43478976 It's less conspiracy and more of an argument for an expansion of power. IE more funding. Let me put in a less tin-foil term.
A company hides back a better cell phone for a while so they can make more money on a slightly better redesign of an old one. >>43478994 Yes because something being illegal prevents people from doing it. Like Speeding, Stealing, Heroin, Meth, Mary Jane, Downloding movies off the Web, Stealing cable, or jaywalking are never done because they are illegal.
>>43478972 >Or you know the weird crusades you guys pursue against the Gypsies for no fucking reason. Are we talking actual Romani or those fucking 'traveller' dipshit gypsies that do nothing but shit up the local area wherever they go?
>>43479029 >Not giving a shit about North Koreans You realize that's what they want, right? They want people to think they aren't a threat. The 'silly bluster' that gets them mocked is extremely calculated.
I am wild eyed and feverish with the thought of the ways I want to degrade the proud, gun-toting white man.
I imagine a world where they're in camps, forcibly neutered by a giant leering Newt Gingrich mascot while row after row of black men mock their penises.
I imagine a world where scientists of every race (but caucasian, lol) come together to develop a way to exterminate the white genome from the planet for good.
I imagine a world where blue eyed, blond haired girls and boysare kept locked in basements like carnival freaks, their only meals literally shit into their mouths by...yes! Straping, proud Native Americans.
It will be beautiful and terrible and I can only just imagine it yet.
>>43479045 >Gun rights are for white men only >What are black men who defended their families from the KKK with guns >What are gays who defended themselves from muder >What are women who defend themselves?
>>43479092 Explain ethnic cleansing, rape camps, slavers... Yea, most people are not evil. Most people don't rob you either. Now, that doesn't mean every robber is evil, but it is far more likely Plus, their bad choices can be crack and the robber is only robbing you out of desperate need for another fix and his shaky hand is on the trigger and he accidentally shoots you, happens often. Telling him a sob story is just as liable to be your ruin if that is the case
>>43479056 Chances are if some dude gets the drop on me with a gun, pulling out a gun is last on my list of things to do, next to "dance the macarena" and "purposefully antagonize the guy with a weapon." Despite what you think, having a gun doesn't make you a fucking psychic, or the world's fastest draw/action movie badass. If he wants my wallet he can have it, my money's not that important next to my life. If I'm lucky I can point the authorities to him, and if he is the authorities, then I'm screwed either way so having a gun is again, pointless.
Our DM gave out some homebrew for the classes. Monks for example were made less feat hungry (by fusing some feats) and were given decent spells so ki isn't only used for stuns and flurry (also the Wot4E monks got split into 4 archetypes each of which got profficiency with non monk weapons as monk weapons example: Wind monk got to use longsword as monk weapons, earth monk got polearms, fire and water got sabres and hatchets).
>>43479092 What if they aren't though? Or what if they have already dehumanized you? It could also go the opposite direction and in the process of the humanization. What if they think you know too much and decide you might be better dead?
Don't get me wrong if someone is shaking and looks scared and asking for my money I am going to try to talk them down because it might be a sad circumstance, but not everyone is sane yo.
>>43479112 Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it prevents people froom doing it. This is why their is a whole problem with banning guns, because people will always be able to get them illegally if they want one bad enough. Hell all it takes for someone to break the law in the US is feeling inconvienenced. I bet 99% of the people on 4 chan have broken the law. But it being illegal didn't stop them from doing it.
Who said they got the drop on you? Your argument is one of already being defeated. What if they haven't seen you in your residence and are breaking in but have a weapon? You are just going to let them steal your shit or hurt your family? Don't force that false dillema trick question bullshit on me.
>>43479150 Monxs were alway Xian Xia (unrealistic magic). Wu Xia would be if they were just skilled sworsmen/spear fighters etc. which are ifolized (basically fighters with heroic backgrounds etc. this includes King Fu since it also deals with weapons such as short swords, hatchets and especially spears whose use by the shaolin monks was famous).
>>43479164 >what if they have already dehumanized you? You know how hard it is to dehumanize a person? This isn't just painting a bullseye on someone's back. Its a sociopathic mental reinforcement that only the most hardened soldiers and criminals have. Its that hundred yard stare that says you don't register as a human being.
Its not even hate, because hate means putting a value on your person making you deserving of hate. Its goddamn apathy, which is scary.
>>43479164 >What if they haven't seen you in your residence and are breaking in but have a weapon? You are just going to let them steal your shit or hurt your family? Okay, in that case a gun isn't going to help me either, because guns make people do stupid-ass things and I'd rather fight off the gunman with words, a baseball bat, a series of goofy ass Home Alone-style traps if I'm feeling particularly whimsical, or >>43479174. Stuff isn't worth a human life.
>>43478189 The only thing I hate about Americanism is how it slowly spreads to Scandinavia. Having people caring about the constitution is annoying, since its just a piece of paper over here. Also i feel the same about how the export of American Lawyer Entertainment means people don't understand how the nations legal system work.
>>43479164 >Who said they got the drop on you? >What if they haven't seen you in your residence and are breaking in but have a weapon? You are just going to let them steal your shit or hurt your family? I'm pretty sure that it's illegal (in some areas) to open fire on a person that has not taken action against you without warning. It isn't particularly ethical either.
>>43479206 >Robbers never never ever ever killed anyone >Rapists are not a thing that exists >Murderers don't exist >Robbers cannot be scared away by an armed potential victim without a potentially deadly confrontation ever occuring
>>43479217 >The rate of break in + rape is...astronomically low No it isn't And even if it was rare... so what? are people not entitled to defense? >Most rape that occurs in the house is between family members. Marital rape for example. You are confusing accusations with actual rape. It is extremely ridiculously profitable for a woman to make such an accusation when getting a divorce. She doesn't have to prove anything, just making the accusation is great for her to ensure both custody and favorable financial outcome
>>43479241 >It would take a damn persistent robber to take everything a person owns. That's like, a few hours of constant bagging. >Assuming everyone is as rich as him Most people are poor, they don't have that much shit to steal
>>43479226 >Robbers never never ever ever killed anyone
Just a nitpick: Based on statistics, burglary is more common than robbery. It makes sense - why rob a person, opening yourself to the risk of getting caught or getting shot due to the randomness of the human element, when you can rob a house, gain access to more potential stuff to rob and you can do it in an opportune time where the owners aren't around thus reducing chances of failure.
>>43479238 Anecdotal, but my father is fond of expounding upon how cops tend to be crooked as shit. One of his favorite examples is a story of how one of his friends had a gun stolen, to turn up later at a pawn shop. After finding the pistol was hot, he turned it into the police to be returned to the rightful owner. The rightful owner asked the shop owner, who pointed him to the cops. When asked, the gun had mysteriously vanished, to show up a few days later. >>43479241 Or a single fire.
>>43479250 >Just a nitpick: Based on statistics, burglary is more common than robbery That is not a nitpick, it is a completely irrelevant note. Being MORE COMMON does not mean that robbery does not exist. That is the problem with you idiots "most robbers don't murder their victims, so you shouldn't have a right to defend yourself" "most rapes don't happen by home invaders so you shouldn't have a right to defend yourself" "most ...
>>43479257 >I'm not American but I'll admit: I don't quite understand the massive state of general...'The government is out to get me' that turns up so much with talks about...anything...in america. >We tend to think the government is too incompetent to be out to get us. Who is we? by failing to name your country we can't show you the countless examples of you being wrong. >Not some Machiavellian supervillian who's trying to get control of everything. who do you think actually goes to be a politician? not normal sane people.
>>43479206 It took a long time for the cops to find my shit. Also apparently my supposed friend robbed me and only got caught by trying to pawn the gun that he stole while I was out, though I figured it was him before the cops came after my friend told me that he was pawning my guitar.
>>43479232 >>43479219 Castle laws are a thing in the US. >>43479238 Patriot Act. Guns and Money may be permanently confiscated in the US and used for the department that took it so long as it was from terrorist or drug dealers. Spoiler alert: Obama has made just about anyone who would be on this thread a terrorist. It's been a huge thing. I forget the exact ordinances name but I will get it if anyone asks.
>>43479198 I don't know anon. Looking on this thread I see plenty of signs of it. Granted I was in the military and maintained my empathy, but this argument tends to dehumanize people in our country. The divide between left and right has never been further in the US. If I saw a person wearing a Moms Demand Action shirt drowning in the river I would rescue them even though I think anti-gun people are usually assholes. However I know plenty of people that would just let them drown or even wave while they were.
>all this talk of robbery vs burglary without making the final connection
y'all are exactly right; criminals who just want to steal shit for money break into empty houses, and if somebody turns out to be home, they run like a motherfucker. what this means, and what gun owners are talking about, is that anyone who knowingly breaks into an inhabited dwelling is not just there for money, but to inflict some bad business on the inhabitants. fact is, if somebody is in your house and doesn't flee the second you start moving, it's reasonable to assume that they're there to hurt you is this rare? thankfully, yes does this mean that it's not something to worry about? fuck no
>>43479288 >Just that there are a few serious monsters in a mostly good organization. True, but he got these stories mostly from a friend of his who was a cop with a big mouth. Did steroids at the gym and didn't think there was any similarity between the roids for his gains and the drugs they'd confiscate on raids.
>>43479290 That kind of apathy is common. The guy who laughs and waves at someone drowning is free from consequence. Its equivalent to the posters on 4chan reveling in being terrible human beings because they revel in consequence free anonymity. Its totally different when you give that guy and gun and tell him to kill someone. Like telling an anon to stop shitposting and try saying it in someone's face.
>>43479019 >7 people shot across two seperate incidents Whilst you're technically correct, that's some serious confirmation bias nitpicking you have there. Tell me, how many American students have been killed in massed shootings this year alone?
Correction: Parts of the US. Even then, it doesn't cover some things and varies a lot by state.
For example: Alabama allows you to use deadly force vs burlgary. Alaska doesn't. So if the guy is working with stealth rather than forcing his way in with violence, your ability to shoot varies based on state.
>Hello fellow not spider and just normal humans! I am here to tell you all, as a human, not as a spider that we need to disarm the masses so us humans who are not spiders can have the lowest homocide rate!
>>43479297 >Australia and you don't think the government is out to get you? Did you miss the great firewall of australia? How about any site criticising it is banned by the great firewall? or any site criticising abortion. Or many perfectly legal porn sites? Remember when they passed a law in 2010 to deny freedom of the press to blogs because they are being used to spread "vicious lies" about the party in power? (courts overruled that law)
And then there is the fact that australian government oppresses you with denial of your basic gun rights. (forget defense against other humans, in aussialand you need guns just to fight the wildlife!)
>>43478758 >if someone is truly willing to kill you nothing can stop them
Exactly. Which is why people claiming they want to own a gun for "self-defense" are deluding themselves.
Ultimately, the law changes you are proposing are purely ideological and more or less not in the best interest of the state. I argue that increased gun control IS in the best interest of the state since reduced access to guns is correlated with few suicides, murders, and accidental deaths.
>>43479330 >Whilst you're technically correct, that's some serious confirmation bias nitpicking you have there. That is not what that words means faggot. >Confirmation bias, also called myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's beliefs or hypotheses, while paying disproportionately less attention to information that supports alternative possibilities You claimed there have been EXACTLY ZERO mass shootings in australia since you banned guns. You are a filthy liar. I presented facts proving you to be a filthy liar. >Tell me, how many American students have been killed in massed shootings this year alone? Nice goal post shifting you faggot. You said you had none since you banned guns, now you see proof that you did but "hurr durr its worse in usa" Nevermind the fact that australia pop is 23,948,900 USA pop is 321,729,000
In 2015 there have been 21 killings on USA schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States#2010s Only one of which was a mass killing (the rest had 1 target each, occasionally injuring a bystander). 10 people total Non school massacres did not occur in 2015 in the USA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_States
That one massacre with the 10 dead? it was actually mostly kills using a car to ram them or knives to stab them. Only a quarter or so were shot
So, adjust the figures for the fact the USA has 13x more pop then australia and what do you get? australias 2 seperate mass killings with 7 victims would be equivalent to the USA having 26 incidents with 91 killed. Aka australia has massively more massacres per capita than the USA.
Also, all the massacres ALWAYS without fail occur in a gun free zone, where guns are banned. And there are plenty of failed massacres where the would be shooter was killed by an armed student or teacher.
>>43479367 So people shouldn't even try to defend themselves? Should people just bend over for their attacker or rapist and die? I stated that because I believe anything is possible with the will for it besides that which is physically impossible. If a person feels that they will sleep better at night with a gun or have one I believe it's their right to it.
Gun Culture is a thing in the US. It is getting stronger. Europe is buying guns in record numbers lately. I argue that we already have a shit ton of regulations and that doing any more is just going to prevent people who want to buy guns from it. What have you done with a gun? Anything? The way you talk I don't think so. It's a thriving industry in the US and it's a major manly hobby. Guns to men are what Make up or shoes are to women, or video games to a gamer. I may think less of someone who thinks standard is the best format of MTG, or think that 4.0 is the best for DnD but they have the right to play with what they want.
While most gun violence in the us is actually suicide, if a person wants to kill themself bad enough, they are going to go through with it. Banning guns won't help with it, but people taking better care of their friends and loved ones coupled with better care for depression and mental issues in the country. If we treated people with mental issues like suicidal thoughts less like pariahs and more like an issue which people can talk to or have low cost mental health clinics in the US it would do more to solve it than making guns harder to obtain.
For accidental gun deaths, further regulation won't end those entirely either. Better training in firearms, more suitable and affordable gun protection and respect for what a firearm can do will. I would say mandatory training for when you purchase a firearm would be vastly superior than bannings
>>43479366 An independent review studied 30 years of mass shootings in the United States and found that only 3 of them had been stopped by an armed bystander (this doesn't count ones stopped by the police or military).
Gun enthusiasts did 12 live simulations of the Charlie Hebdo shooting to see if THEY (as the armed security guard) could stop the two terrorists. They failed every time, even knowing the attack was coming.
Meanwhile, arming teachers will increase the number of accidental shootings and possible also the number of murders.
>>43479366 >How many could have been prevented if teachers were allowed to be armed? Guess who will be shot first? Sweden also had 1 funny incident in recent weeks. Only a teacher died from stab wounds, the rest seem to recovering.
>>43479478 >An independent review studied 30 years of mass shootings in the United States and found that only 3 of them had been stopped by an armed bystander (this doesn't count ones stopped by the police or military). The mass shooting always occur in places where it is ILLEGAL to be an armed bystander. Typically there is simply not an armed bystander on campus to even attempt stopping it. Of the mass shooting where there were armed bystanders on campus, how many failed to stop the shooter? >Gun enthusiasts did 12 live simulations of the Charlie Hebdo shooting to see if THEY (as the armed security guard) could stop the two terrorists. They failed every time, even knowing the attack was coming. And yet 3 mass shootings have been stopped according to your own data, that is a fact. maybe not all mass shooting scenarios are created equal? some being beyond the ability of a gun enthusiast to stop while others being eminently preventable? >Meanwhile, arming teachers will increase the number of accidental shootings and possible also the number of murders. Citation needed. Actually citation needed on literally everything you said. You use scientific sounding language but so do "christian scientists" when they "scientifically prove the bible" (hint: they don't actually)
>>43479476 An independent study found that possessing a gun while being the victim of a crime did not decrease your chance of injury or losing property. It turns out that if someone is holding a gun to your head and demanding your wallet, you trying to pull out a gun yourself makes it more likely you will get shot. Owning a gun does not actually make you safer, while gun proliferation makes everyone less safe.
Guns are used in about 1 million crimes per year in the US but are only used defensively about 1,800 times per year.
Ultimately, I am not arguing for a complete ban on guns, (which is completely impossible in this political environment anyway) but I feel like some sensible policies could have real impact: such as requiring background checks for all gun sales, requiring gun stores to keep inventories and report theft. Harsher deterrents for straw buys etc.
Re: suicide. It turns out that suicidal people are generally not very motivated and usually lack the energy to find a way to kill themselves unless there is a very convenient means nearby (such as a gun).
>>43479545 >Re: suicide. It turns out that suicidal people are generally not very motivated and usually lack the energy to find a way to kill themselves unless there is a very convenient means nearby (such as a gun). This. I don't own a gun for that very reason. I'm getting help but at this point in time I know I'd probably shoot myself the moment I started to think about my life.
>>43479545 >Re: suicide. It turns out that suicidal people are generally not very motivated and usually lack the energy to find a way to kill themselves unless there is a very convenient means nearby (such as a gun). Don't sell guns to the suicidal. Not the same as not selling guns to everyone. Also, it is amazing how effect a big fucking knife is for suicide, or drinking a cup of bleach
Murder will happen. It always will. No matter what you peaceniks say, no matter what your college humanities professor said. People murder. It will always happen. Banning Guns won't stop it. Honestly the only way you could prevent murder outright is by preventing human free will.
Mass shootings often fit a certain profile, and those profiles often have something in common. Spree shooters often are anti social people who feel at their wits end, and the ones who are younger often have severe issues.
You want to prevent mass shootings? Prevent them at the source. Better Parenting, Better responses to school discipline, better treatment of others and better treatment and identification of mental health problems.
People who want more regulations are treating the symptoms not curing the disease. America has problems. We dehumanize others, have greater apathy and by large extension lack of understanding our fellow man and this thread is proof of it.
Your stricter regulations won't help people, it will just make it harder to get guns and give one random political party something to pat themselves on the shoulder about.
>>43479489 I don't think there is anything about someone being stabbed to death. Then againI don't find stabbing funny because it happened to me before.
>>43479478 Who did the independent review? Who were the gun enthusiasts.
>The mass shooting always occur in places where it is ILLEGAL to be an armed bystander. Always? Every single one? What about the one on the collage campus in Oregon. There is a state law in Oregon preventing state schools from banning guns, so it took place where guns were allowed. What about the one that took place on a military base last year? I'm pretty sure guns are allowed there.
3 is not very many considering the number of mass shootings that have happened in the last 30 years. This source says 0 instead, of 3, actually. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/mass-shootings-investigation
Ultimately, the whole mass shootings thing is a distraction because most Americans killed by guns are not killed in mass shootings. They are shot by people with handguns. (10K/year)
>Citation needed. Actually citation needed on literally everything you said. You use scientific sounding language but so do "christian scientists" when they "scientifically prove the bible" (hint: they don't actually) Gun ownership was a significant predictor of firearm homicide rates (incidence rate ratio=1.009; 95% confidence interval=1.004, 1.014). This model indicated that for each percentage point increase in gun ownership, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9%. http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2013.301409?journalCode=ajph&
>>43479588 >Then againI don't find stabbing funny because it happened to me before. Stabbing is still less lethal, and deal less organ damage from knifes than compared to guns.
>that entire post If you are American, you are living in a society where the genie is out of the bottle. For semi modern firearms, they have been gathering in legal use for more than a century now.
Disarming would not be a good thing, since there is too many firearms in circulation. To even perform a disarm on the American society, you would need a high stake measure effort on a federal level. Barring the problems of state to state legislations, there is still the issue of time. There is stockpiled enough ammo for another 200-300 years of use in USA, and thats on the top of the gun pile. A disarm will have to be started after a complete disarm of criminals, which the police has no will and power to really do. Even then, a disarm will take 8-30 years, simply because the guns in circulation will be used.
When portable railguns, hand sized laser weapons, or any new super tech arrives, that might be the time to ban the public from using them. Its USA only chance at disarming. Also disarming isn't worth shit. Not when the police force is as shit as it is, and the legal system is horrible.
1. Military personnel on military bases as well as civillian contractors are not allowed to house weapons or firearms in their place of living or on them unless under direct orders. Otherwise all weapons on post including personal weapons must be stored in the armory. Additionally all weapons must be accounted for at all times.
tl;dr It's harder to have a gun on a military base than it is California.
I know this because I was in the Army and that's why I wanted to move off post so god damn bad. My armorer used my fucking rifle without my permission. He did this by logging it in and out and changing the sheet when nobody was looking.
2. The Oregon law didn't go in effect until after the shooting occured, I think.
>>43479629 Mother Jones isn't a unbiased or reliable independent source. And while it just might- there are ways to do it without taking rights or freedoms away. Even if it costs more, it is the way that cost the least freedom.
>>43479643 I was stabbed in a chest cavity on accident. Fucking bikers.
>The Entire Rest of the Post Explain the UK. Granted they had guns for a while, and only recently started banning plastic butter knives, so it might explain their violence.
>>43479679 UK has pretty tight gun laws. The issue is that you have imports from Europa, East Europa, and leftovers from 150 years of competitive target practice.
And tons of hooliganism. On the top of a weird class society with financial segregation, and criminal gangs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom This is actually a good detail page.
>>43479685 >he thinks /k/ fundamentalists are /pol/
>>43479685 I don't. We have /pol/ as a board, this is bound to happen even though >>43479727 is more accurate. The second we lose /pol/ as a board, is the second we should start putting upboats next to our posts because we have become a hugbox like reddit. /pol/ says some annoying shit on here. That challenges us. It forces us to confront ugly issues with argument and logic. You see heated debate on here but thats okay. It means you give a shit about the opinion and it means that while you may disagree about it on here, you don't want the comment to be outright banned. Sure it might be trolling or bait- but we debate. We argue. That's life. And god damn it's good. I may hate some opinions on here in this thread but I don't want them to be fucking banned from my board. It's a symptom that we have an immune system, like swelling or the sniffles. It's proof that this is not a complete shit hole.
So we debate. We may say that it's from /pol/ or from /k/, we argue with other people claim it's where their from or their perspective, but we all get something from it. But the second /pol/ or the troll posters are gone, is the second the cancer has taken hold and the second the site has become a shit.
Sure. Others may shit post, but this thread has lasted to autosaging. Not outright banned for opinions. I think that is a great fucking thing.
>>43479804 What the fuck are you even talking about? /n/ got deleted and it didn't have a negative effect on the board. That most likely happened before you were even browsing 4chan.
The reason deleting /pol/ is a bad idea is the same reason deleting /new/ and /r9k/ were bad for 4chan - because the human garbage on those boards flooded every other board on the site when they were deleted. If they had been deleted BEFORE they got out of control, we wouldn't be having this problem. /pol/ can go fuck itself - it's a containment board for the worst kind of posters and nothing else.
>>43479874 There is a huge difference between a board made because of a popular game and a board made for no reason other than because the posters from the previous board like it started shitting up every other board on 4chan when it got deleted.
>>43479545 >such as requiring background checks for all gun sales, requiring gun stores to keep inventories and report theft
Those are already laws. They've been on the books for decades. You speak like someone who's never attempted to purchase a gun or learn how to use and care for one properly.
Yes, because harsher deterrents for "straw buys" of marijuana and booze have worked swimmingly in the past.
>Blaming guns for suicide. It would be more interesting if you folks tried mixing up your arguments once every decade.
Should we ban razor blades and sleeping pills too? Just to be safe? Clearly people who cut their wrists or purposefully overdose wouldn't have been suicidally depressed had razor blades and sleeping pills been banned.
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