>actively recommending new people to pick up 40k
you guys dont really do that right? I mean why would you do such a terrible thing? It would be like telling people to buy Civ Beyond Earth or something
Its brutally expensive, unbalanced, and has a steep entry cost.
But if people really want to play, I'll give them advice on armies. But I encourage people to play more balanced games, like WarmaHordes, Infinity, Malifaux, chess, or Roshambo.
>Its brutally expensive, unbalanced, and has a steep entry cost.
Maybe for manchildren and jobless faggots. If you can't afford a hobby like the typical 28mm heroic priced games, you're basically saying "what hobbies are dirt cheap and will cost me less than $100 for my entire life".
When you get into the real world and things start being measured in 100's or even 1000's, 40k isn't "brutally expensive". Cars that aren't junkyard pieces of shit are "brutally expensive". Mortgages are "brutally expensive". Musical instruments are "brutally expensive". Budgeting $50 a month and buying a box of resin toys every few months isn't brutally expensive.
>I'm well respected in my gaming circles so people listen to what I say.
What a cool enlightened gamer you must be, I bet you must attract all the gamur grills and be the GM eveyone asks for, scaring away any of the "smelly virgins" from your table
Cars, houses, musical instruments, are all way more useful than small plastic soldiers. Not even remotely the same.
Its like comparing buying a horse to buying a toy horse for the same price.
Not really unless it's your livelihood. Usefulness is an irrelevant measure of the monetary value of a HOBBY, and those much higher expenses are all things real working adults are used to.
>non-baby American lore
What the fuck does that even mean?
And are we really pretending that Fantasy had good lore? It was "generic fantasy" as fuck and the only fun bits, the Chaos Gods, were pale ripoffs of Michael Moorcock.
You don't need to be TES "snowflake" to be good
It had way more character and much better humor than wama-Denegra Gone Wild, its evil factions actually felt evil, its good factions felt noble.
Its elves had real motives other than "kill all humies, noth'n personel" and it had real grit. Warmahordes doesn't have that grit and just comes off as edgy
You seem a little defensive there brohams
I have a standing at my LGS and I have a good group thats lasted 5 years, but you don't see me posting about being a "well repsected gamur"
I play the game and even I don't recommend it to newbies. At least play Kill Team. or better yet a well balanced reasonably priced game with lots of love and support. You can even use GW minis in games like Kings of War.
But a computer, unlike plastic soldiers, has a lot of uses especially in the modern world. Just like a house or a car.
Show me one miniatures wargame that's even half as balanced as any of the big rts games.
The truth is that even the best balanced miniature game is still a pretty shit option compared to computer games if your priority is cost, competitiveness and how easy it is to find games.
People play miniature wargames for the miniatures, that's it. Except for some of those retards who play with naked plastic because they fail at life and want to play a hobby game to WIN HARDER, most people who are into 40k or other miniature games are into it because they basically really love battling with toy soldiers and enjoying the whole hobby around it. Buying, painting, modeling, converting etc. That's the selling point, and no matter how much GW sucks balls as a company they still have a lot of miniatures that make every other game look like total ass, so I'd still recommend it to anyone who wants to get into miniature gaming,
I really liked Fantasy. It was Generic enough to be familiar, but different enough to still call to me with it's siren song.
But I'm American.
I suggest it. We have three days of play at my FLGS, the most behind Flames of War, which has 4 days a week. Most people aren't huge sperglords and are into it for fun. Once had two guys playing DA and Ultramarines, and the store owner walked over and started telling them how it wouldn't make sense to have that fight happening, so he went to the back and came out with his Cypher model and put it behind some bushes before telling them to continue. Everyone is kind of like that, not really taking it super seriously.
warmahordes is "balanced" but its boring as shit
WHFB and 40k don't weigh as heavely on the stats as most people think. Its mainly luck and good deciesions. Like Miniwargaming had a series of Orks vs Tau and the scereios really favored the Tau, but the orks won EVERY one
I just tell 'em about the loyalty program. Why don't you? TM
Even if other games have some broken shit they don't have turns that take 30 minutes to resolve, massive power gaps, and rules that push them into unfluffy death star lists. Warmachine and Infinity both do balance and tight rules much better than the current mess that is 40K(Or God forbid, fantasy). You can certainly build, paint, and convert for other games, even if their range isn't as large. The visual detail in some games like Bane Legions and Infinity are even better than in the models that GW makes. The figures are individually pricier but premium price for premium product after all.
Oh fuck I need those Tzeentch dice for my Daemons, time to sign up.
The entire Sisters line.
Should have added that stipulation then, as I am sure that Sisters players wouldn't appreciate that. They still have other metal figures available for purchase, and a decent chunk of finecast figures too.
but Bretts have plastics and I have a group that still plays
Those actually look dam good for metal
I know, most of their metal models have some good detail. Planning on picking up one of these for a Sons army eventually.
>wama-Denegra Gone Wild
>tfw Denny blowing a trencher is 100% cannon
>Bretonnians went TWELVE FUCKING YEARS and two editions with no army book update and then the line was squatted
I will never fucking forgive GW for that one. God damn, I can still taste my salt.
It was still a fucking awesome army, with truely the best theme in all WHFB or any setting: French Catholics
I did! I convinced a kid to start a
I felt like I was getting hooked on crack.
But I wasn't.
I was doing something much, much worse.
>OP starts a anti-gw thread
>turns into a GW fan talk
>Sitting in FLGS
>FLGS is located directly next to a karate studio.
>A kid, who couldn't be more than ten years old, in karate garb walks in with his dad and starts looking around while I play some casual magic with some friends.
>He makes a B-Line for the 40k shelf.
>Our collective faces when.
>First thing he picks up is a Knight Titan.
>The owner is a pretty cool guy and lends him a Space Marine codex since that's his second favorite thing besides the titan.
>Cut to a week later.
>Kid comes back in to return it.
>Or so we thought, he starts grabbing space marine squads, paint, the codex, and everything else.
>Racks up like 250 in his first purchase.
>I can't help but notice the look of utter despair and desperation on his father's face.
I felt so fucking bad for him.
It's not pasta at all though. I've told this story before, but I swear to God it happened. The kid came in a third time with some sloppily painted minis, looking to buy more with his mother this time.
> while I play some casual magic with some friends.
>thinks 40k is a waste of money
At least when we aren't playing we can enjoy our model, and the price is somewhat justified in the quality of the sculpt (mine you not enough for the prices they put out). What value is a magic card?
In fairness, while it may not apply to him cause he's only playing casual Magic, the majority of Magic cards people play with have actual value.
Can just check the Market Value of a card to see how much its worth.
>>Kinda want to get back into 40k
>>Favorite armies are Dark Elfdar and Nids
>>Go to 1d4chan's tactics section
>>Mon visage quand
Most of my favorite IG armies are still metal. Armageddon Steel Legion? Vostroyan Firstborn? Mordian Iron Guard?
I know with the first one I could fiddle with some Death Korps, but come on.
Next to 40k/Fantasy in their current states it's looking pretty good. Seeing as that was the only other example they used, they might just have a low bar for TT games.
Find a group that plays an older edition. 2nd is charming but very different. 3/4/5 all have the same core. Early/Mid 4th had the best codexes of them, though 5th did significantly tune the core rules in a lot of places. Most 3/4/5 groups seem to houserule a combination of the editions.
Yeah I've mostly been into the models over the rules myself. Built a few armies over the years so my painting skills are pretty decent now, but I always remember how shocking they were when I started.
This is something I've always kept in mind when I've had uni mates who've been into Warhammer looking at my models and thinking of getting back into it. I first point out how expensive it is, then how much patience you need to improve your painting, and that in the end of the day it might not be worth it. If they're still keen, I'll give them as much help as I can. I'm a lost cause after all, but it's the least I can do to help people enjoy the hobby.
>Next to 40k/Fantasy in their current states it's looking pretty good
>"I don't know what the ITC is"
Cryx and Circle and certain eCaster builds are just as problematic as Eldar. Except the difference is 40k TOs have tournament packets that curb GW's retarded rules while Warmahordes has that retarded page 5.
>Let them read codexs so and help them pick a race they want to play as
>Tell them to buy old armies off Ebay
>Help me them paint there shit
>Go easy on them during their first few games and ramp up the ante as they get better
It's not hard familia desu
Dawn of War was the one that got me into 40K. After I had bought Retribution in 2011, I wanted to know about these cool space marines and space elves and shit, and easily got over 600 hours in it now.
Fast forwards to now, i've got 3000 points of Iron Hands, Eldar, and Militarum Tempestus. I don't regret a thing, besides when friends come over to my house and wonder why I have paint and little plastic men.
They did get a nerf to their teleporting stones, mostly to prevent a really janky strategy that could theoretically win you on turn one if the starts aligned in the correct way.
They'r really quick, hit hard, and do a lot of funny tricks with terrain, but they aren't broken. They are good and do place well at tournaments, but it's not like they always hog the top spot.
Even Cryx, which is generally considered the best faction, doesn't necessarily always place top either.
I tell them to look over a few games, bear in mind it's pricey and the rules get whack, but it's ultimately up to them. I enjoy painting and converting them; so, if it turns out they do as well, why should I stop them?