>>43474230 There's fluff that mentions that a suit of terminator armour similar to his with the name "TYBEROS THE RED WAKE" inscribed on it being manufactured in the 32nd Millenium on Mars.
Can't find the source anymore.
It might be that it's an inherited name for the defacto chapter masters of the Carcharodons, or he's actually that old.
The second seems more likely honestly. His face is supposedly half fallen off to the bone, and he never gets out of his armour. Leads me to believe he's made it into a kind of part dread armour to keep him alive.
>>43474320 So his armor is old. Most weapons and armor are old in 40k. The Gauntlets of Ultramar are 10,000 years old at least, but Calgary is not that old.
Tyberos wears an ancient relic suit of terminator armor (many suits are ancient relics) with script and language dating from the Solar Court of M.32 because that was when it was inscribed.
Not once in the badab books does it give even an approximate age for Tyberos. Those bits and clues are there to make it clear that they do not resupply and are almost completely estranged from the Imperium.
>>43474879 The Sharks maintain the use of language from M.32?
You know, the last time they were really dealing with the wider Imperium based on the Chapter's documentation presented to Legate Frain? It is like how people still use ancient languages for ritualistic reasons.
Not everything has a super complicated/retarded reasoning behind it. He isn't 8,000 years old, the language on his armor is 8,000 years old.
Dear god, we now live in a society in which it is easier to assume the ridiculous rather than pick up the not-too subtle clues written by authors.
>>43475557 But the point the other anon is trying to make is that no such evidence of the guy wearing the armor is that old has been explicitly stated. While that theory you make could be the case, there is nothing more than circumstantial evidence for it.
It could be like what the Ethereals (used to) assume Farsight had been doing; making the name a legacy for whoever wore the armor. A title that is passed down from generation to generation.
So while the armor might have been always worn by "TYBEROS THE RED WAKE", that doesn't necessarily mean that it has been the same person over the years.
Bjorn is the oldest overall, thanks to being a Dreadnought.
>>43474320 Yet Dante is outright stated to be the oldest. As in, his age is actually mentioned. Tyberos isn't. It's probably a name somebody gets given when they become Chapter Master of Space Sharks.
Bjorn is hard to wake and he's 10k years old and in a Dreadnought. Being 8k years old and only in a Terminator suit just doesn't work. Dante feels old at 1300 years old.
So, it's likely a moniker given when you become CM.
>>43475557 What's more likely? That the guy is 8,000 years old and still able to fight, communicate and lead a Chapter just by being in a Terminator armour, while Bjorn struggles to be woken in Dreadnought armour and Dante, member of the Blood Angels famed for their long life, feels the weight of ages on his shoulders at 1300 years old.
Or, it was crafted for somebody called Tyberos The Red Wake, and has become the name given to somebody who ascends to Chapter Master. Or the Space Marine who ordered it made was called it. Or it was given the name based on how it was created (Tech Priest has dream and does it) or something else?
>>43475774 It just seems weird that they would even mention it if there wasn't the implication he was that old.
Especially in conjunction with how fucked up and gnarled he is. His face is half skeletonized, he never leaves his Tactical Dreadnought armour, and he can't speak higher than a whisper.
Makes it seem like he's somehow been life supported into his armour. If that means he's technically interred in a Dread, it doesn't invalidate Dante being the oldest or Bjorn being the oldest in a Dread.
>>43475830 Still an odd idea. I get the whole "sharks can't die of old age" thing (thou nature kills them off if they go infertile anyway, which means old age doesn't really matter, they still die) but it's odd that this is a thing.
>>43476021 >>43475830 >>43475631 >>43475416 Tyberos the Red Wake is actually a perpetual. His Geneseed has not changed since he was originally created as a Space Marine. That's why the Carcharodons Gene Seed is so much purer than the Raven Guard stock they come from.
This secret is also why the Carcharodons stay out of Imperial Space for such long periods of time. If anyone were to know that they are growing original Raven Guard Gene Seed from the Red Wake, they would be branded as traitors and heretics of the highest order.
>>43474035 I think this is the first picture I've seen of 40k that shows an urban center that I can actually recognize as a city, and not a gigantic jumble of shit that in no way resembles somewhere where people would live, work, and shop. Interesting.
>>43476768 For example - All of the Night Lords characters in the Night Lords Omnibus, even the other warbands - were former Legionaries, and it was obv taking place in M41 because Huron Blackheart was in book 3.
Secondly time behaves differently in the Eye and the Warp in general. A Chaos Space Marine might only have been alive for several hundred years on his end, but in reality his visits to the outer galaxy have been millenia apart.
>>43476842 I love that little guardsman there. He doesn't give any fucks what this guy's about, he's just waiting for the chance to shine that flashlight right in the dude's face. Worlds literally gone to hell and he's acting like its a minor annoyance he has to deal with every Tuesday. Brilliant.
Could a Marine be created, get thrown 1000 years into the future by warp fuckery, fight for another 500, then get thrown 1500 years back by more warp fuckery only to die; and if so, what age would the records list? What would his reception in his fighting years be?
>>43476768 They speak of this IN the Night Lords Omnibus. CSM spend a lot of time in the Eye of Terror where time passes differently. For a legionary attacking the Imperium in M41 it might only feel like 175 years have passed since the Siege of Terra.
I remember something about some marines finding a pre-heresy lunar wolf in cryosleep and waking him up, but I can't quite remember if it was official fluff or not. So if cryosleep counts, then him I guess, assuming he's still alive somewhere.
It's at the beginning of IA10 on one of the pages that looks like a scroll. It's the fluff passage where the Inquisitor being escorted by some Fire Angels boards the Nicor to verify the Carcharodons' status as friend or foe.
Not an expert on the minutiae of various Chapters, but the candidates depending on your criteria would probably be Dante, Bjorn, Tyberos, and I think Mephiston is supposed to be really goddamn ancient too. Possibly Asterion Moloc too, depending on how you choose to interpret his seeming immortality.
>>43475694 >>43475774 He didn't find it hard to wake up because he's an old man, it's because being in a dreadnought for so long is taxing on the mind. If you need proof of this look up lhorke and read up about him he was put in dreadbought armour during the crusade and found it hard to function properly when the heresy broke out
THEY PUT NEW WRITING ON IT IN AN ANCIENT LANGUAGE.
Where does it say they have records of the armor made with the name already on it? I'm looking at the page right now, and it does not state that the inscription dates to when the armor was made. Only that the "armorial wording" was from an old dialect:
"The dialect was old; a sub-tongue of High Gothic he traced to the Solar Court of the early 33rd Millennium, 'Tyberos' it read, 'of the Red Wake'."
So they still maintain the use of an extinct dialect. Yep, he MUST be 80,000,000 years old. Makes sense.
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