I was planning on doing a study abroad program at a Uni that would let me spend 6 months in Hong Kong. I was so excited to go but today I got my admissions rejection letter. That fucking sucks and I'm wondering if there's any other way I could get to Hong Kong? I know this is kind of a vague question but I really, really want to live there for a while. I was so excited to go somewhere totally new and make it on my own. Apartments are so insanely expensive there though. Is there anything I can do that will get me living in that country in the next year?
Is there any country remotely like Hong Kong that might be cheaper? I was thinking Thailand, but it's so full of westerners. I want a unique experience.
Sorry if my post is a bit incoherent and strange. I've been drinking all day
>Is there any country remotely like Hong Kong that might be cheaper? I was thinking Thailand, but it's so full of westerners. I want a unique experience.
Do you think HK doesn't have a shitload of westerners? Are you insane?
Look, if you're an English native speaker just get your degree and go to HK as an English teacher. Or go to one of the many other Asian countries desperate for exchange students.
>I was thinking Thailand, but it's so full of westerners
considering the photo you posted, you just want whores and go-go bars, so yeah, thailand is your place.
why hk? it's expensive and not particularly fun.
Doesn't Hong Kong have something like 1% foreign population?
>you just want whores and go-go bars
I posted the picture because it was colorful and pretty.
>I want a unique experience.
That's the thing that I want
Hong Kong just looks pretty. It looks full of life and I'm sure there's a wonderful nightlife. I can speak English and learn pigeon Cantonese and I'll be fine. The girls are nice enough and it's the economic hub of Asia (i'm studying econ/business). It seems like a cool place and a drastic change from my life in the middle of the desert in Southern Arizona.
What would you recommend that's inexpensive and particularly fun?
>Equatorial Guinea has the highest GDP of any country in Africa. Doesn't make them the economic hub.
Equatorial Guinea GDP: 17 billion
Nigeria GDP: 262 billion
South Africa (Africa's Economic Hub) GDP: 384 billion
Seriously, get the fuck out of here, you're in way over your head
Exactly 1% of the population are westerners and only .7% are white. The majority of foreigners in HK are other Asians.
80,000 foreigners out of a 7,000,000+ population
Oops I was thinking GDP per capita.
You were right the first time. Nigeria is the economic hub, not SA. Higher GDP =/= economic hub. Nigeria surpassed SA a little while ago. I wrote a paper on sub saharan african economics last semester. I'd argue Uganda or Rwanda have more economic influence than fucking South Africa lol.
> I was thinking Thailand, but it's so full of westerners. I want a unique experience.
This fucking nigga right here lmao
There aren't even any HK locals on HK Island anymore, save for maybe the people running the shops in Stanley Market. If you walk around during the day all you see are old british men and their filipino wives. Kowloon though, has a lot of HK people
fyi HK is one of maybe 2 cities in all of Asia (3-4 billion people) where the average 50 year old businessman on the street speaks English fluently. I'm guessing the other is Singapore but I've never been so I can't really say
For the record I know I'm not contributing anything worthwhile to the thread, I'm just bored and amused
Have you ever been there? Theres actually more farmland and rural areas of HK than actual city space, which probably accounts for the skew, although I have no idea where you pulled that 50k from
Also that might be permanent resident numbers, HK tourists/work-visa people are quite numerous as it's babby's first asia trip for a lot of USA/Canadians
>Is there any country remotely like Hong Kong that might be cheaper? I was thinking Thailand, but it's so full of westerners. I want a unique experience.
LOL. just go to japan or south korea, its much more civilized and the locals will be more likely to talk to you. if you're going to a ghetto nation (hong kong is ghetto due to majority of population being locals who can't do anything because they're so poor- let alone speak to english people.) people go to hong kong to mingle with other expatriates not to seek out yet another ghetto asian culture.
Singapore, south korea, Japan are much better for meeting the locals because the locals are better educated, will be better at understanding and speaking english, and will be far more civilized than the locals in most other asian countries. Singapore's nightlife is extremely expensive and leaves a lot to be desired though so I recommend heavily south korea or japan- especially if you go to non-tokyo japan where it would be cheaper.
>(i'm studying econ/business).... What would you recommend that's inexpensive and particularly fun?
okay well the best business universities that are accessible to you would be NUS and SMU in Singapore, although I believe Japanese universities increasingly have english taught courses so you might have a chance of going there too. If fun>quality try phillippines, indonesia, thailand.
there's lots more whiteys than just 50 000 probably only counting PRs.
asia has many economic hubs- shanghai, hk, seoul, taipei, and to a lesser extent tokyo pretty much compete with one another whereas singapore has its own specialties: shipping/most noob entry point to asia because people there speak english better than any other asian country+clean+safe/western-friendliest financial services/SEA economic hub. Honestly if you want to start up a SEA business you'll likely base it in singapore whereas you have multiples choices for the china region.
Anon this post is very disheartening to me. I thought I had found the ideal place in HK.
I heard all the women there are materialistic sluts and that the men disliked foreigners. I've heard of taxis not stopping for white people and such
I would have though Japan would be filled with white people and honestly the culture isnt that interesting. Also god forbid people think im a weaboo
I heard the women are retarded and gold diggers. I don't think i could afford the nightlife either
I am morose. I just wanted a country totally different from my own with few other shitty westerners. I want to be immersed in my major, experience a fun nightlife, and sleep with local girls. Would somewhere else in China be better suited? I dont think there are any programs outside of HK
there's some measure of xenophobia everywhere. thailand somehow gets the worst foreigners (russians, betas, paedos, etc) but its the most open.
south korea is materialistic and xenophobic but its also civilized and safe. Like honestly I don't think a lot of people understand this but asia is mostly ghetto- the attitudes, the way people dress, the ignorance, the short-sightedness, the incredibly stupid sounding accents/language/dialects, the anti-foreigner, the overboard conservatism/nationalism/materialism depending on the country, etc all these things you dislike about ghettoes and the deep south in america will be something that you will rub up against every single day all the time in asia. Its just slightly different form but the essential basics of poor uneducated ugly and stupid are there just as they are in East St Louis or sub-saharan africa.
you can partially lower the ratio of bad to good if you go to the few developed countries that were willing and able to learn from the west like singapore, south korea, japan, and to a lesser extent the good parts of shanghai, hk and taipei.
Japan has the best sounding asian language (if you think the voices of those anime girls/japanese porn actresses are squeaky and nasal then holy shit you have another thing coming for you especially in thailand where the language sounds like permanent low-level harpy shrieking.)
Singapore people are considered retarded because they are judged against so many foreigners/western middle-class standards but compared to asia save for japan its a no contest in favour of singaporeans. Gold diggers are either poor or above 25. Below 22-25, 1/10 or 1/15 normal women has casual sex like in the west while the rest are still with their first bf/saving themselves for the first guy who seems like he might marry them, many still have curfews at that age. nightlife here is usually 3 or 4m for every 1f...
wait for part 2 where I explain what you can do and what you might like:
the issue isn't the number of white people- apart from singapore or hk no country has a remotely significant number of white people (eg: like more than 3%.) You can easily ignore white people in asia and not hang out with them or hear about them at all. Thats not an issue don't worry about that.
The issue is that you might not be able to get an "in" into the local cultures. The best way to get an in into local cultures would be to go to a country where there's not enough whiteys for the whiteys and asians to be separated. Countries which are good for this and have decent universities too are: china, south korea, japan, maaaaybe phillippines. Hong kong you will find it hard due to the entrenched perception of the division between the different cultural communities. however you are welcome to try. Also hong kong isn't nearly as cheap as you think it is.
Hearing all those things you've said I think you might actually like china most of all if you don't mind the widespread pollution (just wear a mask a lot of the time.) Its much cheaper than s.korea, japan, singapore, hk, still has good universities, still has some measure of good english in universities and occasionally you might be able to use it with younger people on the streets, has plenty of women looking to get laid with whiteys, doesn't have that many westerners, is a different culture, is much more hectic than arizona for sure, has interesting nightlife especially in the big 2 cities I'd recommend (Shanghai and Beijing, although there's that one city in the south which also has a good uni for internationals.)
Honestly for what you want I'm going to tell you to go to China. You want some quality in education + loose women + cheap and thats China for you. look into it and see what you think.
also for cheap+good education+better sounding language+ slightly more civilized look into other japanese cities like osaka.
hope this helps anon
also bonus with china is that you are literally going to have career in whatever secured for the next 20 years if you learn mandarin. Mandarin + fluent english + some easy as fuck english teaching certificate = easy life.
I've been posting on this forum a fair bit about this, OP, although I can't seem to find anyone knowledgeable, but I think the basic situation is that it's difficult to land a good job in Hong Kong without a teaching degree or CELTA certificate (not just a BA and/or online TEFL).
Tokyo and Hong Kong have always been the two mega-cities in Asia that appeal to me the most because they've been developed and liberalising for a long time. In other places, like Seoul and Shanghai, it seems like their social attitudes have not developed as rapidly as their boom-time skyscrapers and shopping malls.
As I say to anyone who has never lived abroad before, never travelled around Asia before, Korea or Taiwan are great options, because the novelty will be there and you'll have nothing else to compare it to. If you've already spent a lot of time in Japan or HK, however, you might feel like Korea and Taiwan are a bit shit. But easy places to find work/make money nonetheless.
Korean multiculturalism irritated the hell out of me after I'd lived there over 6 months and started to realise the extent of it.
As well as being curiously totally-Americanised (no UK or European influence) it seems like their pop culture references only start from about 1999 with Britney Spears style manufactured singers.
It's kind of embarrassing how much American influence has swept Korea (moreso considering how stuck up Koreans are to other Asians). I mean for fucks sake at least have some pride and list the goods sold in your airport in Korean dollars. It's not that hard to multiply by 1000 anyways
Bumping my thread with another question
and thanks for the guys who answered me especially
So if I went to Hong Kong, how easy would it be for me to travel to other East Asian countries like Thailand or Vietnam?
I would almost definitely learn some Cantonese if I knew for sure I was going there
>south korea is materialistic and xenophobic but its also civilized and safe. Like honestly I don't think a lot of people understand this but asia is mostly ghetto- the attitudes, the way people dress, the ignorance, the short-sightedness, the incredibly stupid sounding accents/language/dialects, the anti-foreigner, the overboard conservatism/nationalism/materialism depending on the country, etc all these things you dislike about ghettoes and the deep south in america will be something that you will rub up against every single day all the time in asia. Its just slightly different form but the essential basics of poor uneducated ugly and stupid are there just as they are in East St Louis or sub-saharan africa.
Excellent description of Asia.
>So if I went to Hong Kong, how easy would it be for me to travel to other East Asian countries like Thailand or Vietnam?
Incredibly easy. Given how condensed HK is it's actually the norm for people with even a bit of expendable cash to travel within Asia. Quite often I have friends taking weekend trips just to shop/eat in another country. An escort I used to acquaint with (lel) would frequently go to Thailand for a single day even.
Regarding the negativity in this thread, it's honestly a great city. Granted, I might be biased having lived here my entire life, but I've traveled a fair bit within Asia and internationally. Sure, there's a western presence. Since 1997 though it's been steadily declining, and it's not really in-your-face besides the central business district and the expat containment zones (Chung Hom Kok, Stanley, Clearwater Bay).
If you just want to get totally immersed in the local culture you could do so if you wished. There's minimal xenophobia compared to a lot of Asian cities.
What I'd recommend is if you're traveling to Asia anyway, Hong Kong is a frequent layover stop. You could save on your fare and using the Airport Express it takes only 24 minutes to get to the city.
If you have an open mind it'd definitely be an experience. I've had people from around the world visit and besides a few American pals that wouldn't eat the food or see the sights (what the fuck) every one of them enjoyed their stay.
I found hong kong a great city to visit but I can't see it as a great city to live in compared to singapore/seoul/japan. Its better than a hell of a lot of asian cities though thats definitely right and its mighty impressive when you visit.
not only am I not american but I'm from eastern Europe so I've had quite enough of my fill of people who don't have liberal/democratic/peaceful/educated mindsets. And I can/do have my fair share of thin beautiful and educated european women as opposed to going scavenging for desperate women from ghettoes in asia. If you find something wrong with my description of the majority of Asia that means that either you've never been there or you're somebody who's never lived in a civilized country like Belgium (where I lived for 7 years) to compare it with. There might be beauty in poverty but when its mostly self-inflicted like in the Phillippines I don't really find that very interesting or amazing.
every single cantonese speaker I talked to said the language was damn near impossible to learn unless you're planning on living the rest of your life amongst cantonese speakers, I mean they have 10 tones compared to mandarins 3 and mandarin is already difficult enough. Its very easy to visit other countries from hong kong or singapore they are both big transportation hubs. And yeah as somebody else said HK is a decent choice. Its not necessarily the best for what you want, especially because its gotten so expensive.
>scavenging for desperate women from ghettoes in asia.
I'm sorry was I too close to the truth? does your beer gut and balding hairline disallow you from getting anything other than landwhales? Its okay. I understand, no need for more tears my boy. Or maybe you're just a zealous weaboo. Either way you're pathetic.
and no saying you're trolling me won't make you look like any less of a retard for using"womyn."
huh thats news to me. I know there's a contingency of people on trv who ended up marrying gogo girls but I didn't think so many of you would come out of the woodwork. not that theres anything wrong with it I guess if both of you can only consider western women as "fat and empowered" then you don't really have a choice.
>In other places, like Seoul and Shanghai, it seems like their social attitudes have not developed as rapidly as their boom-time skyscrapers and shopping malls.
No idea about Seoul, but as an expat in Shanghai - no one gives a fuck. People's attitudes are pretty laissez faire unless you wish to take to slagging off China.
Oh, and so you realise - where ever you go, you're going to hang out with other Westerners too. Good for you that you want to avoid other Westerners and be special, but you'll soon find you do not have the requisite language skills to adequately engage the natives on a decent level, that they're not really interested in you anyway, and that you won't like their habits and want to spend much time with them either.
But Shanghai is a very cool place to be. It's true that parts of it are still shit tier (if you go out to the boonies), but much of what's within Line 4 (the metro's circle line) is nice and it's still a lot cheaper than places like HK, Singapore, or Japan.
yep, I recommended the nicer parts of shanghai to op. What other places in china would you recommend cause tbh I don't really know that much about the rest of china except for shanghai.
Shanghai is a shithole. Mainland chinese are disgusting, rude, and xenophobic. He should stick with HK. Also, Tokyo is not that expensive if you know where to stay and budget your money/don't blow it on stupid shit