>>875958 No, they're generally pleasant unless provoked. DO NOT under any circumstances joke with them. Don't ask questions, don't slow them down in any way and just follow all the orders they give you. They have to deal with thousands of people every day, they're really bitter that their job sucks so they abuse their powers to harass you if you piss them off.
If they're being friendly with you, be friendly back. If they are being serious, don't try to lighten the mood. Answer only the questions you are asked and don't add any more info than needed. Try to control your nerves even if you are nervous about flying. This is the way to deal with border guards as well.
Pretty much. It's not as bad as people make it out to be (At least not in any of the airports I've been in). Just do like the first poster said and you should be fine. Oh, and know exactly what you can/can't take onto planes. It saves LOADS of time.
Never had an issue, even when I opt out of the backscatter machine, they don't touch your junk.
I'm not very political, but it's minor inconvenience, and once you know what you have to do, the process takes less than 5 minutes.
I can't say the same about Bolivian airport security. They are aggressive thugs and cut open my Nike sneakers with a box cutter just because they had an MP3 player in it, despite explaining it to them several times.
And they took my candles and first aid kit for no readily apparent reason.
Just don't be a dumbass, get your shit through fast, don't fuss if you get called for extra screening, take your shit and put it all together in the designated seating/putting shit back on area.
In my airport they're really friendly and social so if you smile and say "have a nice day" or pipe into their conversation they chat to you for a bit. Well, they all do it except the old white dudes, but I feel like they're ex-cops who took TSA jobs out of necessity and now take out their anger on passengers like they would civilians in their old job.
>>876000 A lot of them are frustrated because it's often a low paid, dead end job that they're going to do for the rest of their lives. And like you said, if some of them were failed ex-cops they would really be bitter about it.
>>875963 Good advice. Being chatty is deemed suspicious. Be kind and respectful, patient, and move along.
I'd suggest you don't act like the amateur you are. Have you boarding pass and photo ID ready. Grab the bin, take off the jacket and fill up your bin with the usual. I open the side of my carry on, with my 1qt, but you can take yours out and put it on top. Next, use a second bin for your shoes if you want. Guide your bag and bins into the conveyor, and then go to the walk-through. Make eye contact if there is a choice. Obviously they want you to through the backscatter machine, but sometimes with eye contact, and your patient, they wave you through a faster xray. Never know.
Now, I watch my belongings like a hawk, which you should do too. Pack it up fast, or walk over to a bench with your shoes and stuff.
Pro: no belt, metal this or that like fake jewelry.Hair down. Shoes that you wear with socks, slip ons are best that you slide on. I've been wearing crocs lately, cause I don't need to worry about getting them all fungus-y from the walk of grossness. Otherwise, I suggest a spare pair of socks. Allow time for security if you haven't gone in a while. 2hrs for international, and 1hr for domestic is the golden rule, but break it for holiday weekends and play it safe if you know your airport has shitty overlapping flights and such. All that 3-1-1 quart bag stuff? Avoid it by checking your bag with whatever you want.
>>875958 Mostly it's just the TIME dealing with them. Just follow the rules and don't be a douche, and you'll be fine. Just make sure you arrive at least 2 hours early, maybe 3 if you are going out of a large airport. As for the connections, as long as you don't go out of the security zones, you'll be fine.
>>875994 FWIW -- I had a similar experience flying our of Kuwait. They went confiscation-wild, and took all sorts of stuff I'd flown with many times before.
On two other trips, though, they were fine and polite and didn't take away all my stuff, including the same stuff.
There is some variation depending on who is working, what sort of day they are having, what sort of alerts they have had that I don;lt know about, how big a dick their boss was earlier, how big a dick the last few passengers were, etc.
>>876588 Some shitty airports like MIA require you to exit the secure area, to go catch a flight in a different terminal, and do security again even on domestic flights.
I didn't want my wheelchair-bound grandmother to have to go through security again (it scares her half to death), so I convinced a local cop nice enough to escort us from the "Terminal D secure area", through the concourse all the way to Terminal H, and the TSA agents said no dice, "it doesn't work that way" and that they had to search us again.
>>876615 At least with an escort, there could be some line-skipping. Wheelchairs are pushed by people who don't have a lot of time on their hands.
Almost all US airlines/airports have different terminals for domestic and international. It's nice if you don't have to do TSA again, but odds are low. The international terminal usually has non-nationals segregated for reasons beyond the TSA, but for customs and immigration. If she had been on American or Delta, she wouldn't have left security, so you know.
Anyone in the Global Entry / TSA Precheck / Trusted Traveler programs yet? I'm looking to get a job that requires frequent travel and road warriors swear by it. Skips all the security theater, keep your shoes on and all, actually treated with human dignity.
>>877369 Precheck can makes you feel like a VIP (airline employee really), because you have you own queue, usually with no line, much like a pilot and flight crew, but it's still security as usual.
Using it somewhere like DCA, where anyone with security clearance for their job has precheck since the beginning of the program (half of metro DC I bet), there will typically be about 5 people using that line vs the 15 or so in the other line. They absolutely do stop the other line, and take you first, but you can still be behind someone who takes 5 minutes to remove their shoes or listens to instructions poorly. They're pretty efficient at that airport, anyway. However, over in Dulles, I have never not been irritated at TSA, and that "you will wait as long as I want you to wait" kind of attitude throughout the process. LGA, same issue. You can be missing a flight and they don't give a shit. My last three connections there, the TSA agent had never seen a standby ticket, and kept insisting I needed a boarding pass. Seriously dumb. I explained it over and over. When I standby on Delta in Atlanta, it's gotten to the point that 1/3rd a flight will be on buddy passes, and he's going to hassle me not for my ID and travel credentials, but the fact I don't know if I have an aisle or window seat yet? So, anyway, just keep in mind that your experience with precheck will be just as variable as the guy helping you that day in security.
>>877369 I got Global Entry about a month ago, which means I can use Precheck as long as it's with a US domestic carrier and a few international carriers. It's been pretty nice so far. Less then 20 minutes to get to my gate at Dulles (and if you know Dulles, that's pretty damned quick) and coming back into the country the one time I have since getting it I was able to get out of the airport in less then 15 minutes. It's damn nice being able to skip the lines coming in. Well worth it.
Fees are going to be included on all USA flights to pay for TSA's billion dollar cost. Maybe only $4 a ticket, but its still annoying. Usually the worst times dealing with TSA is during an unofficial threat warning of some kind against say: red pens. It's like a complete clusterfuck of whats allowed and whats no longer allowed and the confusion it causes.
>>877675 >They don't make 40k at the start. They might earn over 40k if they do the job for 20 years. >http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Security_Screener%2c_Airline/Hourly_Rate#by_Years_Experience Your link isn't for TSA, but people that work for airlines.
All government salaries are known. It's by "government service level" aka GS level, and aside from a few exceptions for tech sector jobs, for instance, it's based upon years experience and years of education. It's all on the OPM website. To complicate it further, many airports (for security job retention reasons) have minimum "living wage" ordinances for airport jobs. Even if someone is workign at the McD's or cleaning a bathroom through an agency, they must make enough money that they won't be prone to bribes or to look the other way for drugs, terrorism, etc. On top of that airports are typically a commute, as they are located away from cities.
There is currently some talks about privatizing this job due to the nasty attitudes of TSAs in airports which care about their business, such as a MIA vs FTL kind of competition. But, this has pros and cons. The con being that it can become an agency job where the employee is a subcontractor, making even less hourly, and thus the bigger turnover, or even bigger corruption.
>>877788 Before there was even a TSA...airports did their own security just fine. I'm okay with federally trained well paid individuals, tbh, similar to customs. Go ahead and put guns on them and make them real police with college diplomas and some brains. I'm less okay with mediocre paid individuals, because any job where people are verbally abused and facing irritation, you have to have some balance you give them, and salary might be one way to do it. Having a real police officer, federal agent, frisk you might make people behave better anyway. Rent a cops get no respect, but when they have attitude? Ugh. Right now, even customs and immigration have shit attitudes...at least since the govt shutdown. They tend to forget that airports are a business too, as is the business of tourists in a country paying their damn salary. When immigration makes people stand around 2 hours, and speaks nasty to foreigners to stay behind some imaginarily important yellow line...it might as well be some joke of a country like mexico. To bring up MIA vs FTL, or JFK vs LGA....maybe big metro cities can lose significant airline contracts or traffic due to poorly run airports. There's more than one reason a commuter airline doesn't operate out of the big airport, and part of it is that things can run smoother enhancing the experience of the traveler.
It's not bad it's just to me it's a big waste of time and taxpayer money on something I feel could be done equally as well with metal detectors and drug/bomb sniffing machines/dogs. I don't think TSA has ever stopped a single terrorist.
For me the best part of traveling abroad is going through airport security in (most) other countries. Shoes stay on, belt stays on, lines are much faster, sometimes they even let me bring my drink in with me.
>>877838 If the TSA ever actually caught someone with a bomb or plans to kill people they'd be plastering it all over the news for weeks nonstop in a desperate attempt to justify their existence.
Since that hasn't happened I'm going to conclude that they haven't actually done anything of note.
And I didn't say doing away with airport security. Believe it or not airport security existed before TSA. I'm simply saying that their security theatre is needlessly complicated, time consuming, expensive, ineffectual and disrespectful to human dignity.
The TSA I don't have a problem with. It's every asshole that comes in dressed like they are going to the Metropolitan Opera House in New York City sometime in the 50s. Example, flying back from Hawaii with my girlfriend. Couple in front of me are dressed like they are going on a date. Woman has on ear rings, which she has to take off. I counted three rings per hand, which she had to take off. High heel shoes with straps, that take forever to get off. A belt that did nothing but go with her outfit. Smelled like hell because of her shitty perfume. Husband had the same three rings per hand. Belt had to come off and laced up shoes that took him forever to take off. The other line had 6 people go before they where even ready to get scanned. And both of them had forgotten shit in their pockets and had to be rescanned, holding up two lines. Then they decided to get dressed at the belt instead of grabbing their shit and getting out of the way. I was done, muscled past them, grabbed my shit and went to my my shit back on in the area you are supposed to. The whore got uppity with me until a TSA agent told them both that I was doing it correctly and that they both were responsible for the line taking too long.
>>877457 >Less then 20 minutes to get to my gate at Dulles (and if you know Dulles, that's pretty damned quick) indeed! But, what i don't get is why TSA is just as thorough at DCA without the waits. It's better run.
>>877835 >I don't think TSA has ever stopped a single terrorist. Oh that's simply not true. I would say probably once a month some homegrown idiot is caught redhanded with some crap. What is more dangerous is employees that would position banned materials beyond security for their buddies, and that's gotten much better. And, the amount of deranged people detained with weapons? I'm sure every major airport makes about 3-4 arrests a day. Not terrorists, per se, just people doing stuff like weapons hidden in their shoes or guns they didn't check or declare or else don't even have a license to use. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-arrested-detroit-airport-knife-artfully-concealed-shoe-n149641
Absolutely though, these routine arrests are not put out into the media.
>>877991 >TSA? No problem. Other flyers? BIG problem. ROFL. Sad, but it's a 50/50 chance of getting behind these jokers.
I love that scene in the movie, "Up in the Air" where George Clooney tells his newb coworker how to navigate the line efficiently. http://youtu.be/_uNPpFZLelE
Myself? Frequent flyer since birth. I get buddy passes on three airlines thanks to relatives. And, I wear slip on shoes, no belt, and I've never had to remove jewelry (and you shouldn't if it's real gold).
>>878009 I agree, but normies don't get dressed for the plane ride, they get dressed for their destination.
I saw a woman sweating in a giant fur coat in the still very hot Miami "winter", because she had a flight to Russia. After I mentioned to her I'm on the same flight, she said: "you're going to freeze wearing that!". I told her I'll just put on my coat at the destination and she didn't understand me.
Or refused to, because she'd have to admit their stupidity.
>>876389 Not him but I personally fucking hate the Avionic Kike as well as their goys working for the TSA.
That being said I have visited over 50 nations. Just because someone is "racist" doesnt mean they are some shut-in who has never experienced the world.
>back on topic, I have noticed the TSA asks alot of personal questions like: >why did you go to china? Seems like a weird place for an american to go. >What are your intentions for flying to Moscow? >What is there for an american to see in Saudia Arabia? (even though that flight was only a connecting flight)
They generally are assholes, but they dont normally fuck you over unless you give them a reason to.
>>878005 DCA is also less traveled these days. Most people don't like the combat landings and take offs from DCA. And because DCA is the airport of the old bobble head himself, they staff it with twice the TSA agents as any other place.
>>877817 >Before there was even a TSA...airports did their own security just fine.
Actually no, on 9/11 the private model failed horrifically. You can't put security on a for profit system, because most companies will cut corners and offer the minimum amount of security they can get away with and pray nothing happens.
>>878417 > You can't put security on a for profit system, because most companies will cut corners and offer the minimum amount of security they can get away with and pray nothing happens.
You're right. There is no incentive for an airlines to pay for security. Your airline becoming known for having it's planes flown into the ground because you don't give a fuck about security or safety doesn't create any marketing issues at all nor affect anyone's decision.
>>878425 Well, it happened on 9/11 with United and American Airlines.
And before then with the Lockerbie bombing.
Private security was awful at providing security.
Anyone here who's old enough remembers the pre-9/11 security, where they did bare minimum security and made exemptions for everyone. If you were wearing a business suit, you wouldn't be checked, if you had something dangerous and kept complaining, the manager would wand you through. It's a mess. Plus most were illegal aliens and didn't speak English.
And the private security in France missed the shoe bomber, and the private security in the Netherlands missed the underwear bomber. Both attacks weren't carried out by sheer fucking luck.
Replace the current TSA with competent seasoned law enforcement officers with explosive ordnance training, and profiling... not replacing them with flimsy mall security guards, with no power.
Break away from the internet talking points and live in the real world.
>>878539 The problem was with the level of security and not whether it was public or private. Since the advent of TSA there have been plenty of cases of government testers getting nuclear (read: radioactive) material past TSA during tests, guns during tests, private citizens accidentally getting guns past security, etc. The current version is far from perfect and is totally reactionary. The 9-11 attacks had box cutters possibly already planted on the planes which would not have shown up in a screening.
And the biggest failure of 9-11 was all the intelligence organizations who couldn't coordinate. The FBI already had files on most of the terrorists but they all got on planes on the same day. The Boston Bombers should have been known to the FBI because the Russian government warned them about the Tsarnaev brothers. The "underwear bomber" had his own father warn the government that his son was planning something. But rather than coordinate its intelligence agencies and follow through the government prefers to screen 90 year old Grandpa and his colostomy bag 3 times over.
>>878372 >I came in on American at Concourse D and had to take US Airways at Concourse J. Oh, you changed airlines. It was your fault. Not MIA. This is how all large metro airports operate with more than one or two terminals. Airlines lump their rented space, their gates together, and segregate international and domestic within it. Whenever you book an itinerary on two airlines, you are subject to change terminals. No one tells airlines they have to smash together with all the other airlines, share the same furniture and art, and old terminals. Delta and American, both, spent $$$$$ redesigning their exclusive Miami terminals to boost their sales, including choosing the restaurants/stores within them. I personally love the terrazo floors AA did. USAir, ehh, they share a terminal with a dozen foreign airlines, leaving the decor up to the aviation authority. It's not a major hub for them, like AA and DL chose to do in Miami.
The only thing you can't control in MIA is the quality of the govt officials. Back in the olden days, pre TSA, there were security agents who in fact treated you better for these two airlines because there was some oversight between the airline managers who could complain to the airport authority and vice versa. Ever since govt shutdown days, all that budget friction, I don't think any US airport has sweet and welcoming customs/immigration. The experience could be better'd by flying into, say, Houston, where the southern hospitality is bred in the people. This is a cultural (and in some cases racial) thing, where some cities are simply filled with nicer federal employees, everywhere from the post office to the airport, you get what you give in some cities.
>>878552 >The problem was with the level of security and not whether it was public or private. Since the advent of TSA there have been plenty of cases of government testers getting nuclear (read: radioactive) material past TSA during tests, guns during tests, private citizens accidentally getting guns past security, etc. The current version is far from perfect and is totally reactionary. The 9-11 attacks had box cutters possibly already planted on the planes which would not have shown up in a screening.
I agree, the current system is still insufficient, but we shouldn't take a huge step backwards and go with map cops, and the 9/11 attackers had the box cutters on them, we know this from the 9/11 report.
The "underwear bomber" was a Dutch failure, perhaps if they had competent law enforcement officers, they could've received intel and dealt with the threat, but they just provided the barebones private approach.
I'll repeat, I'm not saying the current system is perfect, your idea would be a huge step back. We need a dedicated team of LEOs working directly with the info at the airports, not sleepy Jose in his little blazer with a twenty year old handheld metal detector the private company bought at the pawn shop.
The TSA is fine, just remember... if you are not in a TSA precheck line >all liquids must be 3.4 oz or less in a single 1 quart bag, this bag must be put into a bin for screening >laptops go in their own bin >shoes and belts off >ipads and tablets can stay in your carry own >nothing in pockets or you'll trigger the body scanner
If you get in the precheck lane, none of this applies unless you have multiple laptops.
It's a government handout to reduce unemployment and provide a sense of security to the public. Most transportation security officers are nice, just don't make stupid jokes.
>>878639 It's the US Airways get they use with the CRJ200s and Turboprops (regional jets seating 50 or less) and you have to board an itty bitty shitty bus to get to and from them. A lot of times you have to get on a itty bitty shitty bus to get to the airport and then your connection is back at 35A, so you get on another itty bitty shitty bus to go back to the same goddamn plane. 5 planes are serviced out of 35A so the boarding is typically slow and a mess.
>>878646 Ahh, got you. Referred to in my family as "Airplane Hell" in other airports we've been through -- the one in Miami for United used to be the most awful ever, in my experience at least. I have not been through Reagan, so did not know that was the Gates of Hell there...
>>877369 Precheck is helpful at most airports because you can keep shit in the bag and usually it's more seasoned travelers in the line, plus the line is usually shorter. Just put your PASSID from the CBP website or the back of your card into the known traveler field at your travel agent or on the frequent flyer site you frequent (wherever you book your tickets) and you'll get it on your boarding pass.
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