however, i still dontt hink he would kill the Mountain because the reason why Oberyn was successful is eh didn't get close to the Mountain he used his spear from afar and poked him. With knives, fookin legend would have to get close and then Mountain would probably overpower him.
>>45191868 No rules fight like Lee bitched about being the only real ones scenario? Doubt the worst, but would definitely love to watch him fight everyone and confirm if he was as big as his tongue made him look like.
And we are talking about Rinne Tensei Madara Uchiha with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the ridoukou path ability), equipped with his Gunbai, control of the juubi and Gadou Mazou, a Perfect Susano'o, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in his chest so he can perform Mokuton kekkei genkai and yin-yang release ninjutsu.
Brienne is a nice character and all, but you're kidding yourself if you think that she is on that level. She'd try to match Gregor at his game, and she'd lose. If you're just going to try to go at the guy with traditional knightly combat, you're fucked, he'll wreck your shit. Selmy might have enough technique to get one over on him. Jaime would be fucked, even with his hand. Sandor might do it, especially with Gregor's debilitated state by the point that this happened in the show (he has massive headaches due to an injury), and his hatred for Gregor.
>>45192322 Yes, I have that in consideration, but I'm talking about probably going for the kill from second one, I'd like to see what he could pull out. With basic MMA rules, then yes, Lee is fucked in every way by almost everyone, I'm talking about his perfect scenario according to himself.
He means that Bronn, while a bit of a badass in the books, is not up to snuff with someone like Gregor. The character has more emphasis in the show, and so people who only watch the show think that he's one of the best fighters in the world. In reality, he's a mercenary that can give some "knights" trouble because they're not terribly competent fighters to begin with and they're used to fighting exactly one way.
Bronn would get his shit wrecked by the average Dothraki raider, or even FUUKEN LEGEND up there. He's good, but he's not great.
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>>45190533 I was seriously hoping The Hound would've been the one who killed him. That shit would've been epic. >Mfw Oberyn was called "The Viper" and most likely fought with a poison coated blade. >Mfw the mountain will lie their for a long time in agony >Mfw Oberyn will have his revenge from the grave >Mfw Sir Gregor will soon wish that The Viper would've just cut his head off instead of letting him rot from inside
>>45193799 >getting your teeth knocked out while gloating >get killed the same way as the person you were supposed to be avenging >killed horribly in front of your lover >your face is probably too horrific for a public burial
nah I think the Mountain is still ahead in this one
>>45193893 Meh, Sir Gregor wasn't nearly as good a character as Oberyn was. A dull, large, hostile guy who was too slow. He got a spear through the chest twice and his hamstring severed. Even if he were to survive, he'd only be a big fat cripple for the rest of his life. And possibly retarded like Tyrions retarded cousin from the dosage of poison he more than likely suffered.
Oberyn's death was fairly quick and relatively painless compared to what Sir Gregor's death, which if you've read the books, is not a death I'd wish on my worst enemy.
>>45194108 >Oberyn's death was fairly quick and relatively painless
Having your teeth punched out, your eyes gouged and you head burst in the same manner your sister's was (whom you were trying to avenge) all in front of your wife and everyone who just saw you showboating a minute ago is relatively quick and painless?
If anything the poison will make Oberyn look worse. After all, poison is a woman's weapon. He died the same way he's going to kill the Mountain; like a bitch.
>>45194411 I think he's not well known because the books don't mention his exact fights that much. The fact that he wielded a maul and had enough raw strength to bash in Rhaegar's armor while injured means he was one strong, brutal motherfucker. He could definitely beat Gregor.
>>45194218 >Poison is a womans weapon Oberyn wasn't called "The Viper" for no reason. Do you really think he cared if it was a weapon for women when he was trying to kill the man who murdered his sister? Nope. Killing is killing, regardless of the method. He wanted Gregor dead, and he wanted him to suffer. Poison would be the perfect weapon if you want your enemy to suffer. Hell, look how twisted and fucked up Jofferey's face was when he got a dose of "The Strangler".
Prince Oberyn was known to be a connosieur of poisons. If you don't think he coated his blade in a far more painful and long lasting toxic compound than what Joffrey suffered, you're going to be sadly mistaken. Sir Gregor lingers in an agony induced stupor before finally basically choking to death on his own blood, while his nervous system feels as if it's been hit by a blowtorch.
Oberyn died in under a minute. The Mountain will take much, much longer, and he'll be like a terrified and helpless Sansa Stark during the full duration.
>>45194426 I don't think Gregor could even take a small one of those. They regenerate and they're abnormally strong for their size. It would lift him up and tear his head off, while he just stabs it in the arm and it takes no notice.
the old bandaid "pull it off quick" thing is just one of many examples.
Take it from someone with chronic illness. I'd rather go out in some quick gruesome way than slowly have my lunges fill up with liquid until my breathing sounds like I'm slurping soup (like my poor late grandfather)
>>45194483 Yeah, he stopped wayyyyy early into it, like right after the brother died but that slut gives no fucks, she wants to ensure she has no competition for the title of worst plotline by getting rid of the only good characters in it
>>45194509 Bobby B was injured and had enough strength to crush Rhaegar's chestplate AND his chest. If Bobby hit the Mountain anywhere, that part of his body would be shattered and useless. Leg, arm, whatever.
He hits the back of his leg while dodging Gregor. Gregor goes down. Hammer caves Gregor's skull in.
He hits Gregor's arm. Doesn't matter which one. If he hits the shield arm, Gregor can't use a shield and has to rely on nonstop offense to keep Bobby at bay. Bobby hits him in the leg, repeat first scenario. If he hit Gregor's sword arm, Gregor is done for immediately. You can't swing a six foot greatsword when your fingers/wrist/forearm is broken.
No, his death was not fast. Not at all. Not counting the pain and humiliation of having his teeth punched out when he was in arm's reach of victory, every agonizing second that Mountain's armored fingers were in his eyes must've felt like a century. Anyone who's ever been in any serious pain before will tell you that no matter how quick it really was, it always feels much longer. That's common sense.
>>45194525 >Do you really think he cared if it was a weapon for women when he was trying to kill the man who murdered his sister?
Well I doubt he cares about much these days. But what everyone else who's still alive is going to care about is his reputation, and as it stands now he died like a bitch in agonizing pain to the man who killed his sister, and resorted to using poison in a duel. He may have gotten his revenge, but he isn't around to enjoy it, his wife is a widow and people will spit on his memory.
>>45193799 >I was seriously hoping The Hound would've been the one who killed him. That shit would've been epic CLEGANEBOWL CLEGANEBOWL CLEGANEBOWL GIT READY GIT HYPE TELL YOUR FRIENDS CLEGANEBOWL 2K14
>>45190533 Robert Prime Barristan Prime the GOAT Authur Dayne GOAT of GOATS Oberyn technically did but fucked it up with gloating I bet the fucking Smiling Knight could have even done it, that's just a few off the top of my head.
>>45194108 Plus whatever Qyburn does to him. I remember reading that the head that was sent to Dorne was actually penny's brother's head, since Dwarves have larger than average heads. If so, Gregor is still alive, but in a kind of zombie state. Oberyn got the easy way out.
>>45194811 Dorn is not Westeros. I doubt anyone in Dorn would care about how he killed Gregor, just so long as he killed him. >People will spit on his memory In Westeros maybe, but Oberyn wasn't one to really care about anyone from there, or even from Dorn. He was out for blood and revenge for the blood of his blood. I think Oberyn stopped caring about his "legacy" the moment he decided to fight for Tyrion.
Either way it doesn't matter. Oberyn's dead, and Gregor will be soon enough (albeit a much more painful and longer lasting death) Oberyn got what he wanted, and that was for Gregor to suffer.
>>45194653 >>45194709 His information was the cause of the assassination plot. They realized that a Targaryen pregnant with "The Stallion Who Would Mount The World" could actually be a threat and it's best to nip it in the bud.
He saved her life by sheer luck, but it was his own fault it already happened.
>>45195005 I just bought the first and second books today. I honestly like it better than the show. Far more detailed. I haven't gotten to the Cleganbowl yet, I'm only about 3 chapters into the first one.
>>45195033 Jesus, it's one thing to be an idiot, but to be arrogant about it? Do you have any redeeming qualities at all you dumb shit retard?
Move the goalposts all you want, my point still stands, his death wasn't quick at all. It may pale in comparison to a death that will last a few days, but that was never what this was about dumb ass. He died an agonizing death that was not short or merciful in any way, in addition to being shameful and humiliating.
Your attempt at being condescending was cute, but you don't seem to understand that you don't have a leg to stand on. Grow up and quit crying.
>>45195048 The above goes double for you retard. The argument was never about which death is worse, it was about the fact that Oberyn's death was NOT quick and nowhere near painless, as the above retard implied and as you retarded agreed with. Now sit the fuck down.
>>45195187 Holy shit you cunt, did you really just say >his death wasn't quick at all. It may pale in comparison to a death that will last a few days, but that was never what this was about
Do you realize this entire conversation started because you argued against this sentence: >>Oberyn's death was fairly quick and relatively painless You took issue with it being called fairly quick and tried to argue that it was still as bad or worse than a slow death, and my entire argument to you (me starts at >>45194472) was all about "it is fairly quick compared to a much longer death, and much longer deaths are worse"
so wtf are you even talking about? You just admitted you don't even believe what you were arguing with me about because you just said > It may pale in comparison to a death that will last a few days, which was, I repeat, MY ENTIRE POINT
shut up already. tell me I fail at this or that all you want to but you're just wrong here.
Holy shit, what's wrong with you? At this point if you're just pretending to be retarded, you're a natural.
>>Oberyn's death was fairly quick and relatively painless
This is what we were arguing about you retarded piece of shit. You said Oberyn's death was "fairly quick and relatively painless", I pointed out that you were hilariously wrong, and now you're posting in confusion because you couldn't keep track of a simple discussion and are blaming me for you being a dumb fuck.
The Mountain is not a good fighter at all, you take a man that fucked in the head, that size, encase him in armor and hand him a big ass sword(and a huge tolerance for opiates)? yeah, no common warrior has a chance. Dex over Str everyday of the week.
Also, spoilers for what happens to Gregor: After dieing a long, painful dead, further exacerbated and prolonged by Qyburn, his head is cut off and boiled. The skull is sent to the Martell's. The rest of his body is reanimated to fight for Cersei since that half-wit still doesn't understand that she is playing out of her league. Sandor will likely still face off against Gregor's reanimated remains in whatever final showdown occurs between the living and the dead.
>>45194927 >>45194964 SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY! LIVE AT KING LANDING COLOSSEUM! IT'S CLEGANBOWL 2014! SANDOR "THE HOUND" CLEGAN VS GREGOR "THE MOUNTAIN" CLEGANE! TELL YOUR FRIENDS! BRING YOUR KIDS! BE THEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRREEEEERRRRRREEEE!
Robert Prime. The Hound (maybe) Wun Weg Wun Dar wun and maybe a couple of other big guys I've forgotten about
Only retard strength or high skill with a weapon that out-ranges the mountain can beat the mountain
Every other normal human being would die exactly the way Bronn explains it when Tyrion asks Bron to be his champion. The mountain would be able to swing his great sowrd that is as long as a fully-grown man continuously at full strength without tiring while Jaime lannister or Arthur dayne or whoever is forced to dodge, while being unable to make any significant attack on his full-plate armor, hoping that the mountain will tire first and then can be made to lose balance but really they'll tire first and eventually get cut down. Only people with enough strength to trade blows with the mountain would be able to beat him unless they're sick with a spear.
Loras is a poser. He picks fights that he knows that he can win, even if he has to cheat to do it. Certainly he is better than most of the knights in Westeros, because most of the knights in Westeros are garbage, but he'd still get fucked by a real soldier like Gregor.
Why do people put "the hound" as a "maybe" for being able to beat Gregor?
They've already fought after Gregor lost the joust. Sandor blocked every attack Gregor threw at him and even with easy openings, never attacked back. It was basically outright stated that if he had wanted to, he could have killed Gregor then and there.
rarely watch the show, really its all just spoiled to me and i still think its complete shit but my room mate loves it and watches it every day, sometimes i sneak a couple peeks in saw that indian dude straight out of some anime twirling that spear with some capoeira and getting revenge on that guy for killing his mom and siblings or something (also defending the midget in trial by combat)
and after seeing that i feel genuinely depressed... like my whole night is ruined and i dont even watch the show..how do you deal with this
Jaime, like most of the people that are being mentioned, is a tournament fighter. Loras, Brienne, Jaime... etc. These are people who have been trained to fight exactly one way, against one kind of opponent, in an arena. That's why Bronn, Oberyn, and FUUUUCKIN LEGEND can get one over on people like that. Gregor is a massive solider, who takes knights apart because their methods don't work against brute strength and his ultra-thick armor.
>>45196281 Because Gregor is the best part of a foot taller than the hound and the fight at the joust doesn't prove anything. Gregor had just been knocked off his horse in a joust and all Sandor did was block his blows and bow when he knew he had to duck anyway. There wasn't any indication in the books that Sandor outclassed him at sowrdfighting.
It's feasible that sandor could beat him but gregor would be more likely to win.
It's a Sansa chapter I believe, but later when Robert is talking about it he says he noticed that Sandor never even tried fighting back; Robert theorises it's because Sandor doesn't want to be a kinslayer
Foot solider spoo, not knights. Not that Jaime isn't a capable fighter, he is, but the shit he does simply wouldn't work against Gregor. That's why Gregor is a far, far more successful soldier than Jaime. The dude survived two civil wars where he wasn't sitting on his ass, he was out in the thick of it every single day.
>>45196328 >not reading the books properly >thinking that peoplereminiscing reverentially about how pretty Dayne's sword was or how he was such a noble knight somehow makes him a superhuman
Go re-read Bronn's explanation of why he would get his shit pushed in by the hound. Then re-read the multiple sentances in the fight that indicate that Oberyn would have been killed if his Spear didn't allow him to stay mostly out of the hound's range.
>>45196571 The mountain doesn't need to outfight Jaime, even. The mountain's armor is basically a fucking tank molded to fit him because the nigga is like 8 foot tall and 600 pounds of muscle. He has a giant two handed sword and a large oak shield so all he has to do is swing it at people and cleave them in two. Anyone who doesn't dance around like a faglord (eg: oberyn) with a spear is gonna get rekt.
>>45193887 The mountain was crippled after this fight. He spends weeks in bed, slowly dying from the Viper's venom. He pisses blood and puss for days after. He'll never fight again, He'll never walk again. That's all he was good for, that was his purpose, and Oberyn took that away from him.
Exactly. Jaime could probably hack at Gregor's torso all damn day and get nowhere. Of course Gregor wouldn't let him, and Jaime's sword is so much shorter than Gregor's that there is absolutely no way that he'd be able to defend himself. That's Gregor's whole fucking strategy: "I'm basically invincible to the weapon you're using so I'm just going to get up in your shit."
>>45196832 Maybe, maybe not but Heimdallr and Loki killed each other during the battle of ragnarok (which isn't to say that odin and/or thor could not have done it if they had been fighting him and not one of the other opponents)
but either way we know Heimdallr can beat Loki and thus Heimdallr can beat the Mask
>>45196365 Gregor has a regular sized head. Dwarfs have misshapen skulls (Like the one in the box in Dorne) I dont think its Pennys brothers, just one of the tens of dwarf skulls that got brought to Cersei. We dont see the brothers death, or have any confirmation that the ones Cersei sees in her chapters are his skull.
1. Jaime Lannister with two hands 2. Young Robert Baratheon 3. Young Ned Stark 4. Young Barristan Selmy 5. Rhaegar Targaryen 6. Bronn 7, Melisandre 8. The Greatjon 9. Sandor Clegan 10. Adult Arya Stark
1) Fuck no 2) Maybe 3) Maybe 4) Probably not, uses a weapon that is too short 5) No 6) Absolutely not 7) With prep time 8) Probably not, he's basically a less fearsome version of Gregor 9) Possibly 10) Unknown, but likely, with prep time
>>45197393 You're ignoring the basic mechanics of the Iliad. Achilles can't die unless he kills Hektor. Yeah in the narrative Scamander and his m8 Simoeis are beaten back by other deities but Achilles has literal plot armour (having been gifted divinely crafted gear by Hephaestus after his original armour was worn and lost by Patroclus).
>>45191271 >Anonymous >06/02/14(Mon)00:35:31 No.45191242 >178 KB JPG >>>45190533 (OP) # >>>45191497 # M>>45196190 Fucking idiot, he almost dies but he's saved by some monks and lives his life out in a monastery. Read the books.
If he could have, he would have. The fact is that he isn't capable of killing a fully armored Gregor. Maybe if Gregor wasn't in his armor... that might be possible, if Bronn managed to stay out of reach of that great sword and Gregor slipped up. Otherwise there just isn't a chance in hell.
I wonder what else the Faceless Men can do Didn't their lore say something like they will kill anyone for enough money? Got to be some badass fighters. Plus changing their faces at will? What else can they do?! I must know. Pretty much reading/watching to find out more/see more Arya being a cold-blooded killer >that scene where she sticks needle into the guy's neck
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