>>53793116 I remember reading an article where David Duchovny said he would be willing to return for season 3 of Twin Peaks and the comments section was full of progressives whining that a straight white male shouldn't be playing a transsexual.
>>53793339 >we need a white pride movement Disgusting. Anyone who needs to pat themselves on the back for what ALL "white people" did (none specifically, just anybody who existed and was white) is too lazy to use ancestry.com or whatever and just be proud of their own people. Being proud of being white or black is like being proud of being a ginger or having brown eyes. That's why black history is shit: it divorces thousands of years of history from any context and just celebrates ALL the cultures that had black people in them and mangles their history into muh strong Nubians.
But yep. Liberals gonna lib. If they think Star Trek is racist or the Oscars are oppressing people they should just chug bleach. Calling Scots and Russians all the same and just saying "hey look more white people, NO DIVERSITY" should be viewed as borderline retarded behavior warranting a public face-bricking. Diversity is not a synonym for black.
>>53793907 don't forget to have your fantasy superspy character kill about 50 unarmed white men and women who just happen to be racists and well... nothing else really just saying racist shit warrants death somehow
>>53793942 Living in North Caroline bruh. We are publically allowed to laugh at cucks and can still put American flags on our lawns without faggots complaining. Get out of California or the North East, that's cuck country. They'll harvest your daughters for Obama.
Star Trek is as progressive a show as you could do in the 60's. I mean, Roddenberry wanted the 2nd in command to be a woman, but the execs veotoed him.
The comic also ignores the inclusion of a Japanese man in the cast.
The show is incredibly progressive for the 60's. You have a patriotic Russian. It's the Cold War, the tendency is to portray them as the evil enemy. We have a Japanese man. USA was just at war with Japan just a few decades ago. We have a black woman as a regular cast member. Minor role, but still good. All this shit is progressive as hell. This comic is just pure trolling for attention or is just stupid. Ignore it.
If anything I think classic star trek will be considered very progressive rather then problematic.
This current phase of finding offense in everything is just that, a phase. In all likely hood it will lead to a more nuanced understanding of things. But for now we are stuck in the shitty dialectical conflict.
>>53794467 >This current phase of finding offense in everything is just that, a phase. In all likely hood it will lead to a more nuanced understanding of things. But for now we are stuck in the shitty dialectical conflict.
>>53793339 It's not masochism really, it's that western whites are the only ethnic group of the world that was able to develop a worldwide, collective messiah complex, so that they could point they fingers like frenzied retards at anyone so that they could be good boys, thinking they're upholding their social status, not realizing people are laughing behind their back on how much of a pathetic embarrassment of men their are
>>53794961 >>Give away most of your money to charity? Doesn't matter if you were born into it. Most of these people were born into money though. They're usually upper middle class kids whose lifestyles are funded by their parents, and they tend to assume that every white person on Earth had the same cushy upbringing as them.
The notion of a white working class is completely alien to these people, as they've never experienced it. They can only divide along lines of race/colour.
>>53794736 Why the fuck is he so critical of a show made 60+ years ago? Yeah by today's standards its not very diverse but it was groundbreaking at the time. That's like going back and reading 19th century literature and wondering where all the trans people are or why blacks are treated poorly. Fuck these people with zero historical context, this shit Russels my jimmies.
literally everything. people will always find something to complain about and if we keep recent trends going, eventually every tv show will just be cardboard cut outs standing in a room for 22 minutes in complete silence
I think the biggest problem is all the tokenism. Celebrating minority characters is a form of racism. Instead people should treat characters from all backgrounds the same. Today if you write a show about a minority character then everything in the show has to relate to their minority. Look at Black-ish, Fresh Off the Boat, Orange is the New Black, etc. In the future we will hopefully live in a world where for example the main detective in a cop drama is Hispanic but nobody talks about that being an issue.
Someone point out to this guy that if the show was more progressive it would not be made. The execs would just axe the concept. So the choice is, in the 60's the Star Trek we know and it not being made.
1. is there any objective reason why having actors that are different colors in a TV show makes the TV show better? Why does it matter?
2. How is having Russians, Scots, and Americans not diverse?
3. "white vulcan men" oh give me a break, jesus christ. They're fucking aliens, why would different alien species be black and white? The only reason vulcans look human-ish in the first place is because of shitty sixties costumes and effects.
>>53798480 >2. How is having Russians, Scots, and Americans not diverse? There are all white men and do not represent worlds demographic. Having said this Star Trek was progressive as fuck for the 60s and ST continued to be that away just until VOY (which had a femal captain at least). Also OPs comic mixes TNG and TOS. In TOS they seldom walk around talking about how good the future is. They represent the (limited) diversity as something normal and common which was and is just awesome and made me love the show in the first place.
>>53798563 You are confusing reality and fiction bro. In reality, which I guess is the claim here, the writersv thought about the future still dominated by mostly white males. And since Aliens dont exist and Spock had a clear and gender and color it doesnt really matter that in fiction he was an Alien. I dont agree though. What a lot of people forget is that Zulu was really really disturbing to the generation that fought Japan in WIII. Having him onboard and in command was just cool and trekky.
what is the point of judging something made back then by "today's standards"? It's like if a 100 years someone is going to dig up his comic and claim it is written from a point of privilege and not inclusive enough for the 22 century. Of course his shit is irrelevant compared to star trek but still.
>>53798513 Spock was originally supposed to look like a devil. They allowed Tuvok to be black because they can't have an alien species look like white people and not have other races with strangly coincidetally similar features to other human races.
>>53793092 >had a Russian character during a time when they were demonized in the US and the communist witch hunts still affected the public opinion >had a Japanese character during a time when Pearl Harbor and internment camps were still living memories >Afro-American female officer during a time when that mere fact was a huge inspiration to a lot of people >had the first interracial kiss on television in the 60s when this shit could get you realistically killed and some states refused to air it because it was so radical >WHITE CIS MEN EVERYWHERE, screams the SJW
Gene Roddenberry was a scumbag for unrelated reasons, but he had balls.
>>53798729 >The show isn't reality though. It's a piece of science fiction that must be analyzed on its own universe, rather than what we think when looking at ours. Well I disagree and no works (literature, music, cinema) are solely anylzed like this because people in reality thought of that fiction. I see your point though and I tend to agree (a little) but I have been watching Star Trek since I was 5 years old so I am rather defensive when outsiders critizice it.
>>53793092 That's a really assholish comic considering how much they pushed their agenda for having a more diverse cast at the time, and for Asian (fucking JAPANESE even) people, Russians and black women to be on the show was a pretty big step forward for broadcast television.
But yeah, fuck that, let's be snarky about dated sensibilities in 2015.
>>53798890 It's not self guilt, it's cannibalizing an at one point legitemate movement to create clickbait. There's a good chance this comic was deliberately crafted to piss people off and create traffic while still looking like a "good guy".
>>53798933 Not to mention there was a 100% chance some retards would lash out at him on twitter, so he could play the "I'm but a poor jew, victimized by GAMERGATE" card by cherry picking the worst ones.
>>53798933 To play devil's advocate, I don't think the comic was criticizing Star Trek, but rather, bringing to light how much more diverse modern society is compared to what they could imagine in the 60s.
>>53799546 So every time something like this is made by a jew it proves them right? Does that mean every time it isn't a jew it proves them wrong? Because I think that means they are more wrong than right.
>>53799750 I hate SJW shit just as much as everyone else. So much in fact that I really want it to be gone. And it will never be gone if people have a wrong idea of what the source of it all is, like Jews.
>>53793092 OP I can't tell you how hard I'd rage if someone IRL gave me this argument. I wouldn't be able to contain myself I'd be so pissed off. Star Trek is essentially the perfect future for us and if any of those idiots out there want to say otherwise they should die. They really should, they're holding back the entire human race right there.
>>53793907 >Anyone who needs to pat themselves on the back for what ALL "white people" did (none specifically, just anybody who existed and was white) is too lazy to use ancestry.com or whatever and just be proud of their own people What the fuck are you even talking about?
Why does being proud suddenly stop being valid when you go beyond an ancestral group larger than your nation?
Any argument you can use to criticize people who identify as or are proud of being white, I can use to criticize people who identify as or are proud of being part of a small population. I have Irish and Germanic ancestry, but I have white European ancestry too.
>>53800210 >arbitrarily the only thing that's arbitrary is being proud of something you had no effect on (which is the case for anything that happened before you were born). Only weak people do that and like every government ever capitalized on that (most of the time believing in that though, I'm not saying it's a conspiracy or something)
>>53800148 >Why does being proud suddenly stop being valid when you go beyond an ancestral group larger than your nation?
>I have Irish and Germanic ancestry, but I have white European ancestry too.
FUCKING AMERICANS RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seriously, you mongrels have ruined nationalism by first being nationalistic without a nation, then telling yourselves and now the rest of the world that it's in fact EEEVIL. Homeboy up there nailed it that being proud of being 'black' or 'white' is akin to hair colour or something. Lumping together such a varied group is downright insulting to it's smaller parts, especially since they usually have fuck all to do with each other, except this cosmetic similarity.
>>53800636 I'm saying it makes no sense. It's like saying "I'm hungry for water". >tribal/clannish behavior oh you mean the one where you rank up as you prove your worth (read: usefulness to the community, especially in battle given the times but there were other scales) instead of just being born into nobility?
>>53800653 1) This whole SJW white guilt thing is an American/Canadian invention.
2) I come from a country that has been under the heel of both our neighbours for hundreds of years. We never had colonies, we got our first 'exotic' immigrants in the 90s. As a country we've picked up ourselves by our bootstraps despite a rough near-century of independence and then we get lumped in with Western Euros and even our own social leftists, inspired by the Yanks, spout white guilt shit that has zero basis in reality.
>>53800809 1) You mean, SJW white guilt happened to originate among whites in America, but spread to whites in other countries because it's a set of ideas that are inherently more attractive to whites than other races.
2) I'm very offended by this. You don't share the precise experience of other families. It's insulting that you would identify with them!
>>53800867 well what if we look at it through the black lens. let's just lump the Bushmen of southern Africa with the Mali Empire or Christian Ethiopians. see what i mean?
what i and others are getting at is that this New World habit of lumping people into categories based on skin color completely ignores what makes these cultures unique from one another and therefore entirely defeats the point of nationalism, which you Yanquis can't hope to understand since there is actually no such thing as 'an American'.
>>53800998 >see what i mean? No, I don't see what you mean you fucking. I'm describing what is (the vast majority of people identifying with their race).
You're going on some tirade about how there are more nuanced population groupings than mere race.
Most differences between people within races completely disappear after a generation. That is, a French kid adopted by a British family is British. The same can't be said for an Ethiopian raised by a white British family. That is why the vast majority of people tend to identify up to their race, but not beyond it (eg. people usually self-segregate among racial lines).
Again, I'm not making a value statement. I'm simply saying that most people identify with their race. You don't like that for [insert bullshit]. OK. Who cares.
>>53801104 >That is why the vast majority of people tend to identify up to their race, but not beyond it (eg. people usually self-segregate among racial lines). In America. In the communities I've experienced (Europe and expat circles) it's all about ethnicity, e.g. in my country Somalis and Kenyans don't mix, but they're both 'black'.
Here's the thing. This guy is a retard. With retarded SJW people the best option is to just ignore them. The more attention they get, they can then cry abuse. And with more attention, the more immature nerds are going to say mean things to them on twitter, which will just fuel the abuse thing. They frame it as abuse because that way they don't have to defend anything they say. It's all about framing. And you can't win with these idiots. They then get tons of money from fools who buy into the mean tweets = harassment.
These guys are just unintentional trolls. They say really stupid shit, but they don't do it on purpose, it's because they're into far left ideologies. And they see nothing wrong with their positions, and don't like to really have debates, so they see nerds getting mad at them as nerds being unreasonable. They're idiots.
>liberals attacking the most progressive show when it aired >the first show, to have black/white kissing >showed black women, doing complex space jobs >inspired hundreds of black actresses/actors that they had a chance in the industry >some nobody makes a comic, scewing the facts for clicks
this crap has happened before, and it'll happen again
>>53793907 Being proud of your race or nation is akin to a parent being proud of something their child did, even though they themselves had no part in it. There's nothing wrong with enjoying the successes of another.
That said, I don't think there's a need for a "White pride" anything. Just convince people that they're not responsible for the evils of the past just for the color of their skin. If anything is needed, it's acceptance. People need to learn to accept themselves for who they are and to be happy with that.
>>53798795 Looking back at how serious of an "issue" that was back then, and how ridiculous it sounds today, I sure can't wait for all this shitstorm to pass so we can all laugh together at how stupid things are nowadays.
>>53793942 >It is in 4chan - land of the interracial cuckold fetishist.
Fixed it for you. This cuckold obsession this site has is really, really fucking weird because it's global (site wise). Every board has people talking about it. But you get off 4chan and talk about it is non-existent.
I think the whole cause of this is the lack of a real American culture. America is a rather young country, a whole mix of European, African and Hispanic cultures mixed together. All these whiny fucks that don't really have a culture to call their own, or an identity by which to identify themselves with are just having an identity crisis, a call for attention.
There was a rise in cucold porn in the last few years. Then I think Norm Macdonald made a joke about it on their show which spread news of it more. Then I think it was either /pol/ or /tv/ that then spread it.
There's nothing weird about it, "cuckold" is a hot-button insult that had a lot of weight to it when it was first being used, so of course the teens of 4chan latched onto it; whatever the strongest insult is, no matter how unrelated it is to the subject matter at hand. They'll run it into the ground in a month or two and then they'll have to latch onto something new.
>>53805717 Right, but what I'm saying is people here seem to think that everyone in america has some obsession with it when in reality it's probably less than the population of a medium sized city.
Cheating porn has always been a thing, even back in the early 80s when porn was just starting to hit it's stride. There's been guys cheating, there's been girls cheatings, there's been interracial cheating, but only recently in the last year or so has 4chan become obsessed with it. Probably cause of the /pol/ changes last year and their spread to every other fucking board on this site.
What happened to "artist vision"? What if an author/director/whatever just wanted to have an all white cast? Or an all black cast? Or an all rainbow colored lizard frog dog cat cast? I'm hispanic (not born and raised in the US) and this shit doesn't bother me one single bit. I couldn't care less if the people are green or red or blue or whatever, I just care about the plot, story and everything else just like any person should. Why does everything has to be a political statement or have an affiliation? I'm getting really tired of this shit polluting our ENTERTAINMENT (not that it's remotely new, but it's certainly gotten worse).
STAY THE FUCK OFF MY ENTERTAINMENT YOU FUCKING POLITICOS! WE DON'T WANT YOU AND WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY!
Nothing, it's still there. The only place where someone is going to cold-bloodedly diversify the cast for the sake of it is in 250 million dollar Hollywood productions, which were always going to be more about marketing than vision anyway. You're overreacting.
>>53793092 >ctrl+f >capitalism >no results I think this SJW always seem to forget you can't change too much too fast or you won't be profitable. It's why the Transformers made the same movie 4 times, or the new Star Treks are more action shlock. If most of your audience is white males with a high school education, business executives are gonna play to that audience. I'm not saying it's right, but it's not just because some evil white man needs to further his goals. This isn't about putting minorities down, that's just an unintended result.
Also the idiot missed that it was the fuckin 60s, it was progressive for it's time.
>>53795607 I admired Orange is the New Black because it gave no fucks about making all the latinas trashy whores and the negresses were fat, ghetto idiots. Sure, Tasty could do maths but that's plausible enough. Really though, there was a lesnig called Poussay. The balls to write that material. And the fact that it went over with the feminists is all the better. Sucks that there's going to be no S3 because the jews demanded a more prominent, favourable male role in a show about a women's prison. Good on the writer for sticking to her guns.
>>53801389 That's because Tolkien knew his shit. Of course if I remember correctly the whole thing was more of a response to WW2 and less about race relations. Still, I find it funny how SJWs haven't had a wide-scaled shitfit over the prevalence of racial purity themes in those books.
>>53807117 >I admired Orange is the New Black because it gave no fucks about making all the latinas trashy whores and the negresses were fat, ghetto idiots. Sure, Tasty could do maths but that's plausible enough.
Because the show is about chicks in prison. This is accurate.
>>53804971 >everyone alive right now is a shitlord because they don't support alien/human relations, ignoring the fact that we haven't met said aliens yet Ha! Jokes on you. I fully support sticking my dick in some hot alien poontang.
>>53807520 >I had a gay friend who wouldn't watch it for all the lezzing off I can't blame him. If you're not turned on by vagina then what would adding more vagina do for you? I never bothered to watch Brokeback Mountain or Milk or whatever other fagshit is out there.
>>53807603 But I watched those things because they were about more than watching bumming. Not all shows/ movies are just porn. There's porn for that. Game of Thrones has titillation in it, but that isn't all it has.
>>53807719 >But I watched those things because they were about more than watching bumming Nah, not really. The entire plot was about gay cowboys. I'm not gay and I've never really had a thing for cowboys so I didn't watch it.
>>53807761 Are you telling me that the source material is that alienating to you that you just can't even imagine it?
The plot is about two people, isolated from the time and place in which they live because of a difference outside their control. It's about being uncomfortable in your own skin. Shame, and fear. Prejudice and intolerance. It's about gays specifically, but you could just pretend it was about aliens or something and get the same thing out of it.
>tfw I can't watch all the great shows of the 80s/90s/hell even some of the 2000s now without unwillingly noticing all the things tumblr would complain about We sure did treat women like decorations back then, man i miss that
>>53808121 >Because it seems as though you're unwilling to watch something with the potential to be compelling because of ultimately superficial elements Pretty much. It could be the best, most compelling movie in the world and I still wouldn't watch is because I have absolutely no interest in the premise.
If I'm not interested in gay cowboys, why would I watch a movie about gay cowboys?
>>53808107 Women pretty much are decorations. Hell, that's why the entire profession of modelling exists in the first place.
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