Toby Wibblywobby for Showruiner Edition
Before the shitpost flood: >>61644109
I think its great that people like matrixlord212 exist on the youtube surveys. most doctor who fans nowadays are nihilists so its nice to see a christian poet making doctor who podcasts.
before the lake was a good episode. i want to fuck o'donnell. but shes dead so i cant which is a bit sad.
RTD is making a movie based off A Midsummer Night's Dream and Tennant was going to direct but he isn't anymore.
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So, I've seen some theories about the War Minister, and I'm just thinking, could it be a new character that represents a race the Doctor has never faced as a true major adversary? The human race.
Seriously, think about it, someone manipulates the Doctors favourite race to declare war on the Doctor for some reason or another. That's something worth at least a season or two to explore.
clala i'm dying
no really clala
i'm dying this time
>ywn oppress the moleman
Okay, so here is what happens in the finale. Do not read that because I'm spoiling the entire plot.
The episode starts with the Doctor finding Gallifrey. He finds out Missy is now the President and Daleks/Time Lords hybrids are the new Lords of Time - this is the Heaven Sent cliffhanger. Short story is Ashildr is a Time Lord/Dalek hybrid, she is the Minister of War on Gallifrey and she's ready to make war against the entire universe. The Doctor finds Clara on Gallifrey, except she's been made part Time Lord too just to see if Humans could be good hosts. They end up saving Ashildr from Davros and Missy in the past and send her through the time crack, to Gallifrey and the Time Lords before they start creating hybrids so they realise there is no use to live as Time Lords/Daleks hybrids. Basically, she is an anomaly in the Time Lords/Daleks hybrids that Missy and Davros created but she escaped, so if they can send her to the Time Lords before Missy sends the hybrid Ashildr, she can save everything. Hybrids are being created so they can get out of the crack, acting as beacons in the universe so the Time Lords can be pulled out of the pocket back into the universe. Except it's a one way trip, and there's no going back. Clara has to go with her because only Time Lords on Gallifrey have the ability to save her, as she's now a Human/Time Lord hybrid and the Doctor can't save her otherwise she'll die. The Doctor can't come with them because he still needs to protect the universe and he thinks he'll find her again when he finds Gallifrey. They go and Clara mouths "I love you" before stepping in the crack, which closes just after. Time is rewritten. The TARDIS materialises at a restaurant because she knows the Doctor is at grief, and the Doctor meets a Clara splinter. The episode ends as the camera moves away from the exterior of the restaurant as the Doctor goes on about his Clara. The credits cut like last year and River pops in, "Hello Sweetie". End.
Some really nice shots in this ep
Literally the biggest drop in quality across a single season in all of NuWho. Started off potentially GOAT, shat the bed with A Good Man and Let's Kill Hitler, and had the worst cop-out of a finale. The God Complex was the only reason I kept watching.
You're a Glaswegian male, Doctor, you were born dying.
>I just finished World War Three and it has been interesting.
"Interesting" is the word, yeah. Well the next episode should be good.
The series is very varied and very variable in quality. The NuWho seasons go, from best to worst:
5 > 8 > 4 > 1 > 3 > 6 > 7 > 2
... though everyone will argue with me on that.
It's ok m8 in real life the only women that go for them look like this
>It's why we've never seen RTD since he left.
>What is the last two series of SJA?
>What is Miracle Day?
>What is Wizards vs Aliens?
>What is that random-name show on Channel 4, Banana or some shit?
All written in advance, can you imagine if it were known that to become showrunner of Doctor Who you had to fight and decapitate the current showrunner with a sword? Think of the headlines.
Does the Doctor shag Waitress!Clara?
I remember that the time i decided to start watching Doctor Who i was really confused about how the main actor works, because i've seen his different faces on the internet.
So i didnt knew what was going on, and when Tennant maked his appereance i thought "This isnt the other guy".
Because the episode who maked me want watch Doctor Who was The Doctor's Wife, and i, even if by searching on google you always find something who is releted to the old Doctors, had no idea who the hell Tennant was.
I was also sure the Doctor was human before i started season 1.
What were your first impressions on the Doctor, /who/?
>Capaldi will forever be associated with the show's cancellation
>he's just McCoy MkII
>So i didnt knew what was going on, and when Tennant maked his appereance i thought "This isnt the other guy".
the doctor is half human, he said so in the tv movie starring an actor called paul mcgann who is often regarded as the worst doctor because he is the only doctor to copulate with his companion.
3 > 1 > 9 so far > 8 > 4 > 5 > 2 > 7 > 6
I started with 1 then stopped watching pretty much entirely after 4 and the specials. Binge watched all of Matt Smith's recently and didn't really like it overall but some episodes stuck out. 5 was my favourite season his. I liked 8 quite a bit and enjoy Capaldi a lot. I also want to say that I'm glad the beginning monologue was used in this episode because I loved how it was used in Listen but was disappointed when it didn't show up again.
Good episode, improved on an already solid first part.
The story overall might be a 7/10 or even an 8.
However, one small thing puzzles me.
What was the reason for the explaination of the bootstrap paradox? It's a plot device that the show has been using for a long time (arguably since Series 1, for sure since Series 3), and it's not like this episode explores it in any new significant ways. Why does it need explaining now?
I mean, don't get me wrong, a Capaldi monologue is always a good thing. But this is a concept that anybody who has been following Doctor Who for a decent amount of time understands perfectly, and the way the future influences the past is already spelled out for new viewers in the episode. What was the point?
Oh Lord that rating is so wrong I can't even.
did anyone else notice that the doctor did explain why the ghosts only came out at night but when he did we didn't see him actually say it, It was a voice over.
it's like they forgot and they added in post, is it me or does this seems too clumsy for the BBC's flag show.
>3 > 1 > 9 so far > 8 > 4 > 5 > 2 > 7 > 6
>5 and 7 so low
>3 and 1 so high
>6 being last instead of 2
>8 better than 4
They've literally done this story lots of times before. And they've NEVER had an explanation like that. A whole 5 minutes dedicated to explain a simple paradox.
They only reason why they are pointing it out is that they now know only children are watching this show. Look at the ratings. They are falling hard
1 = 8 > 2 = 5 > 3 > 4 = 6 = 9 (so far) > 7.
All specials somewhere around 6/7, except Waters of Mars. The End of Time special all the way at the end. Worst Doctor Who has ever been.
All in all, Classic Doctor Who had a way better first decade.
So every time we see the Doctor dead for real, we should just assume it's a hologram, robot, morphing spaceship, flesh avatar etc?
Aside from the bootstrap paradox there was no real timey-wimey shit happening and no threat to causality in any way.
I can't wait for the doctor to be young again. Seriously, where's the charisma gone? You can tell the BBC want a young doctor because of the sonic sunglasses and hoodie. Trying to force a young personality upon an old doctor. Capaldi is written all wrong. It's cringey. I want him to be written like Pertwee because he's a good actor.
The BBC obviously want a teenager to be the doctor. this was evidenced by the rock theme. I'm also hearing reports there's a dubstep theme for the woman who lived which is utter ridiculous.
I thought they were going go to more in-depth with it. As in, the Doctor realises that it's not enough to simply save everybody, but he has to do it in such a way that he sets up a stable loop and everybody is still saved in the next iteration, and so on.
But that didn't happen so I guess it's just exposition.
Yes. Up the bum, over the counter. That's why this series is on later.
>the Silurians will never be this scary again
>instead we have a lesbian Silurian who loves a human
>Just seen the Doctor earlier. Praised you from start to finish. You could be nominated as best newcomer.
>No. Sorry, it's the Doctor were talking about. You might as well get used to it right away.
This would be Clara talking to a potential new companion. Is it good, /who/?
The hologram was showed in the first part, used in the second, same as the suspended animation box.
The clues was there from the start, not even so hidden.
Really, the only true mistery of the episode was what the ghost are.
>yfw the page for Before the Flood still hasn't even been created on Autism Data Core.
Man, fuck their spolier policy. At least you can get news for all upcoming stuff on Wookieepedia.
Leaked pic from the finale, he's nutted but she's still suckin.
they probably only came up with that line later, to make things absolutely explicit
or maybe it was intentionally done that way, so the visuals could draw you directly into the action afterwards
many possible reasons for doing it
not sure if bait but it is a problem Moffat has, he writes the Doctors all the same, he's said so in panels, (no citation, I'm afraid).
He also tends to write the Doctor like a parody of the doctor, remember the robotic squirrel from last week?
>the guy who wrote Blink, Forest of the Dead, The Big Bang, The Impossible Astronaut and Listen
Why did he suddenly decide that the bootstrap paradox needed explaination?
Here's what I'm betting:
*Maisie/Ashildr is the War Minister.
*She doesn't seem to get along with the Doctor, so she'll join forces with the Master.
*She will fuck up Gallifrey/Earth.
*The Doctor will fix everything but lose Clara.
*Clara won't die. She'll be stuck in another universe or timeline or some shit that she can never return from, except for in a couple of years when she makes a nostalgia reappearance.
OMFG GUYS I'VE JUST FINISHED THE EPISODE.
FUCK THAT BASED OPENING MONOLOGUE, THAT GOAT BASED GUITAR INTRO THAT BASED DOCTOR CONFRONTING HIS OWN GHOST, THAT BASED FISHER KING, THAT BASED FUCKING ATMOSPHERE, THAT ABSED DOCTOR GETTING CALLED THE FUCK OUT FOR LETTING PEOPLE DIE, THAT BASED TENSION AS THE AXE GHOST STALKED AND OH MY FUCKING GOD THAT BASED SHRUG AT THE CAMERA AT THE END OF THE EPISODE.
12/10 BASED EPISODE AND POSSIBLY THE BEST 2 PARTER IN NUWHO THE HYPE WAS FUCKING REAL THANKYOU
>they're just a boring ass military organisation without Brig
Why did he suddenly decide that DW needed a Fisher King? Why did he decide to use an abandoned fake soviet town as a setting when Listen didn't have one? It's a different episode, things are different, that's the whole fucking point.
Clockwork squirrel, and i think it is going to make an apparence, since Jemma, before the episode aired, talked about it at Conan, saying that it is one of the prop she took from the set before leaving.
Did anybody else feel that the characters were almost literally interchangable?
>awkward asian guy with shorter stronk white female
>awkward asian guy with shorter stronk white female (who is deaf)
Why couldn't we have one of those guys killed at the start and the captain as a full character?
>The Magician's Apprentice / The Witch's Familiar
>Have Arthurian references, mentions of the Doctor being a magician (hi Merlin), the cup that looks very Holy Grail
>Under the Lake/Before the Flood
>The Fisher King is introduced, from Arthurian mythology
If this isn't getting anywhere I'll be seriously posse off at Moffat. I'm already mad the opener wasn't about the Doctor being Merlin facing a real witch.
>hmm, I need to signal my alien army to attack Earth
>should I use the previously-agreed-upon coordinate system any spacefaring species would necessarily use?
>or even just a really loud beacon so they can triangulate it and home in
>no, let's make a bullshit riddle where one of the clues only works from Earth's location and which could be interpreted to point to Christ knows how many places in the universe
>Killed within the first two minutes of the first episode and appears for the rest of the two-parter among an army of voiceless ghosts
Funnily enough Colin McFarlane was in Children of Earth as well, he also voiced the Heavenly Hosts in Voyage of the Damned.
>cool, I finally get to star in a sci-fi tv series, I was getting so sick of this middle ages fantasy cra-
>GOD FUCKING DAMMIT
Jesus Christ, guys. Of course Maisie is the War Minister. From the OFFICIAL synopses written by Steven Moffat:
In a backwater of history, in a little Viking village where all the warriors have just been slaughtered, a young girl called Ashildr is about to make a desperate mistake. The Mire are the deadliest mercenaries in the galaxy, famed for being unstoppable and without mercy - and Ashildr has just declared war on them.
We know that
she becomes immortal, and based on the trailer, she has a somewhat antagonistic relationship with the Doctor.
Please don't expect anything better than this. Moffat is the same guy who gave us River = Amy's daughter, and Missy = Mistress = Master.
"LE" Fuck yourself in the ass Charlie de GAWWWD, he's the officer behind every script - HE HAS THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD IN HIS HANDS.
Davies edited every script bar Moffat's and Moffat edits every script bar Moffat's.
Cause bad writing.
Same reason he didn't get into the spaceship and fly away when the dam was bursting, or just take it and fly to meet up with his armada. The spaceship isn't even damaged, why the fuck does he need to stay on Earth, beam a signal and get put into suspended animation?
>mfw maisie williams is the war minister
>mfw the weeping angels are disgraced timelords
>mfw maisie williams brings the angels to life
>mfw this is the cliffhanger to episode 11
>mfw heaven sent refers to the angels
>mfw weeping angel invasion
>mfw clara timelord
Why does everyone hate series 2
>New Earth 4/10
>Tooth and Claw 8/10
>School Reunion 6/10
>Girl in the Fireplace 9/10
>Rise of the Cybermen 5/10
>Age of Steel 6/10
>Idiots Lantern 3/10
>Impossible Planet 8/10
>Satan Pit 7/10
>Love and Monsters 2/10
>Fear Her 2/10
>Army of Ghosts 4/10
>series 2 5.3/10
I'm guessing the episode is about some Lucifer type deal, involving a fall from grace (Heaven Sent), and reveling in the darkness and chaos (Hell bent).
Better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven
That's what you get if you touch the Doctor... even for a second.
>mfw the raven is the creature davros spoke of
>mfw this years finale is a secret 3 parter
>mfw a street in ep10 leads to gallifrey
>mfw clara is pushed from missys sexy golden tardis and dies
>mfw ashildr is crap and edgy
>mfw the weeping angels get an origin story and are ruined
>mfw the doctor goes darker than dark in ep 12
>mfw claras song makes you cringe
>mfw clara lives on in her echoes blah blah oh the feelz
>mfw annoying bitch ruins the mood of end of ep 12 with her stupid catchphrase
>mfw 'the doctor returns christmas day in sweetie i'm home'
>mfw you realise the big bad of series 9 was an 18 year old girl and omega is never coming back
>when the angels are disgraced timelords frozen in stone but an edgy 18 year old youtuber goth girl uses her magic powers to turn them into an army
>when you realize moffat ruins yet another one of his otherwise great creations
Is this “darker” substitute for blacker or is cremation and ash-eating the genuine fetish the kids are doing; what sado-sexual necrophiliac staples skin across the chicken-bone garbage to give it something SUBSTANTIAL? It WILL not WASH.
>mfw moffat is so clever by paralleling victorian claras death with real claras death
>mfw moffat's promised huge cliffhanger for ep 11 is doccy discovering what the weeping angels are
>mfw moffat still thinks people care about the weeping angels
>mfw everyone guessed it when they saw the end of time
>mfw hell bent shows the doctor at his darkest but still no valeyard
>mfw the doctor sings a song about clala to a sexy clala echo
>mfw he just doesnt take the clala echo with him
>mfw it abruptly cuts to river song running from a dalek
>mfw the title of the xmas special is the worst title in doctor who history
>mfw the show is cancelled
>Bootstrap paradox, Google it ~ 4th wall
>electric guitar riff ~ not on a tank
>O'Donnel holds her breath so it doesn't make mist ~ attention to detail
>TARDIS saya Timelocked ~ heh
>Sonic glasses did everything
>angels were spooky as shit back when they came out
>re watch blink
Nah they mention pre Saxon and it's clearly intuited that the defences is to British pre Saxon - also she said Minister of War
As in Minister of Defence
So someone takes over the British govt and makes them paranoid and about to go to war with everyone
Fuck, I'm getting flashbacks to back in late 2009 where we got that leaked recording sound bite.
>I AM THE DOCTOR, AND YOU ARE THE DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH... LEKS!
Holy shit that was SIX YEARS AGO!
>Harriet Jones, Prime Minister
>Ushered in the "golden age of Britain"
>Kicked out by the Doctor after a "golden age" of like three months
Was RTD just a hack or was the Doctor talking out of his ass?
Eccles said she would serve for three successive terms, then Teninch cut her short. Either he changed history, or he got her mixed up with the parallel world where Harriet was President.
>mfw its rebecca front's character in invasion/inversion of the zygons
>mfw the ep is a pro immigration episode
>mfw zygon clala tries to shoot down plane and the doctor parachutes out
>mfw which clala is real which is zygon
>mfw the sandmen are actually scary
>mfw found footage works
>mfw mark gatiss has pulled it off
>mfw ep10 has surprise missy
>mfw missys tardis
>mfw fuck off maisie williams
>mfw clala falls out of missys tardis
>mfw run you clever boy bullshit to rigsy
>mfw such parallels many wow
>mfw magical streets that randomly need to gallifrey because why not
would've been a golden age had Ten not become an autistic fuck about killing aliens that want to kill you literally at the end of his first episode
in aliens of london the doctor called mickey up and guided him through hacking the MoD so he could send a ground to air missile and BLOW UP THE ALIENS
reminder that if harriet jones golden age had happened and ten hadn't interfered and stopped it britain would have been protected
News flash, Ten is an utterly useless emotional wreck who causes more damage than he fixes even by the Doctor's usual standards.
>The Tenth Doctor was fond of describing himself as a "man who never would" despite the fact that he was a genocidal maniac. His penchant for mass murder made this statement somewhat hypocritical, particularly when he would chastise others for wiping out entire civilisations.
>Ten's unrelenting brutality and insatiable bloodlust was demonstrated in many stories, from drowning children in The Runaway Bride to torturing a family for all eternity in Human Nature / The Family of Blood. His own race (the Time Lords) didn't fare much better - after catching up with them again in The End of Time Ten had a good laugh at their plight before "sending them back to hell" by trapping them all in the Time War forever. And who could forget the time Ten slaughtered an entire city full of 11,000 innocent people?
>Ten was also a fan of playing God by manipulating fixed points in time to cause others to kill themselves. In The Waters of Mars one potential companion shot herself in the face after Ten destroyed her timeline for a laugh.
>Shortly before regenerating Ten was heard to remark "I COULD DO SO MUCH MORE!" referring to all the innocent people he hadn't had a chance to slaughter yet.
>Although all of the Doctor's incarnations have been known to indulge in a healthy dose of murder and genocide from time to time, none of them derived quite so much sexual pleasure enjoyment from it as Ten.
>Dalek in 2012 laments that he hasn't found any evidence of Dalek life
>Lol jk 2008 invasion
>Cybermen invade the earth in 2006
>same thing happens in 2014 and nobody recognises them
>Daleks can't say mercy except all of the times they do say mercy
Death in Heaven actually acknowledged that the Cybermen invaded before tho... in a background noise radio news report.
>We are being told that these metal men are known as Cybermen, but unlike the accounts we have on file, they now have the ability to fly.
No, the whole episode existed to restablish the Daleks as a constant enemy so as to end the whole 'the Daleks are extinct, b-b-but these survived.' The redesign was just added to the script by Gaypiss.