>>1846268 There's just nothing much to talk about. Show's over, no OVA for months, sequel status is unknown going on dubious, original is both already done and hopefully irrelevant. That just leaves fanworks, and you need to be Madoka-big to have an active thread solely from fanwork.
I'd like to see some kind of Edo AU featuring these two.
>>1846993 It's mostly because it's a Kyoani anime, so most of the board is obligated to shitpost about it (which is silly since being a fanboy or hater of an anime production studio is even sillier than being one for companies in other mediums).
>>1846534 Did we actually win? There's more content than what is in the anime and I was led to believe the main character ended up with the childhood friend, who on top of being a dude was also the most boring character in the anime.
I was too apathetic afterwards to look into it myself to confirm.
>>1848094 Ah, well, that makes me much happier then. Guess I will sit around for another year or two and hope they make another season. The show certainly was successful enough to warrant another from what I can tell but the lack of an announcement is worrying.
>>1848122 I think KyoAni bought the licence to the novels, right? Because I think they're pretty consistent on making sequels to adaptions they have rights to, it's the ones owned by other publishers like Haruhi and FMP that they haven't put out more for since they haven't gotten contracted again.
>>1848089 It's pretty hard to credit that any kind of potential relationship could possibly survive that "Huh? Why?" - by way of contrast, in the original scene she wanted to accept his invitation and was just about to when Hazuki showed up.
>>1848238 > dat Reina's pun > Reina thinks Kumiko talking to a plant is cute > Reina goes to movies alone > "You don't have friends to go with?" > "Let's go together." > "Reina, do you still want to be special?"
A bit surprised to hear them interacting like any other teenager friends would considering that they have a far more subdued relationship on screen. But then, Reina does get quite friendly with Kumiko later on in the novel.
>>1848373 Kumiko is the main character of the show and we basically see the show from her point of view. So her captivation with Reina is much more obvious to us the viewers than Reina's captivation with Kumiko is. This makes people assume that in their relationship, Reina would be the dominant one, since Kumiko seems a lot more "clingy" (bad word but you get the point) than Reina does.
And most people unfortunately tend to associate dominance with tallness. So since the two girls are of roughly the same height, people subconsciously assume Reina is the taller one of the two.
>>1846993 Aside from yuri potential, I think it was just overall a good anime. There is something satisfying about watching people work really hard at something, developing talent, and achieving their goal.
Reina [Narration]: One summer day on the way home. Kumiko [Narration]: Days before the competition, I found myself running into a wall. There was Asuka-senpai who could easily play difficult phrases, and then there was me who couldn't. One summer day on the way home, I was feeling frustrated about how I couldn't play well. Kumiko: Nng, hot. It's evening but still hot and humid. Reina: It's summer, so that's inevitable. Kumiko: I guess so ... No!! Caddisflies, caddisflies! Reina: Kumiko, what're you doing all of a sudden? Kumiko: Sorry, I absolutely can't deal with caddisflies. Just can't. Looks like a moth with long whiskers and thick hair. Buzzes around gratingly. To top it off, its larva looks disgusting, too. Ugh, I'm having chills just imagining it. Reina: You shouldn't be bugged by bugs. Kumiko: Heh. Reina: Huh? I was giving you advice. Kumiko: R-Right, I mean, there's no way you'd make terrible puns. Eck, caddisflies again! Reina: You're making a fuss. Kumiko: Hey, don't laugh! Reina: But you're interesting! Kumiko: I'm not interesting. I'm normal. The definition of ordinary. Your everyday female high school student without even a hint of interesting-ness. Reina: Even though you talk to foliage plants in your room? Kumiko: What?! How do you know about that? Reina: Hitomi-san from the horns was talking about it when the profile surveys were handed out. Kumiko: That time...? Reina: Yeah, made me think that you really are interesting. Kumiko: Is that something interesting? Isn't it weird? Reina: You could say it's weird. Kumiko: Don't. Reina: I imagine you'd be cute talking to plants. Kumiko: Cute...? Reina: Yep. Kumiko: How? Reina: Can't say specifically, Kumiko: So you can't. Reina: But just something about it was cute. I'm praising you, you know? Kumiko: Thank you very much. Reina: You are always welcome. Kumiko: Reina, how are you like at home? Reina: Just normal, though I don't talk to plants. Kumiko: Enough about that.
>>1848883 Reina: Hm, I listen to music and go to movies alone on weekends. Kumiko: Alone? Reina: Mm-hm. Kumiko: Alone. You don't have friends to go with? Reina: Eh? Kumiko: Huh, ah, sorry! I'm not saying you're a loner or anything like that! Ah, I mean, ah, nng, sorry. Reina: Don't fret over it so much. I'm not angry. Kumiko: Thanks ... Hey. Reina: Yeah? Kumiko: If you want to next time, let's go to the movies, together. Reina: Can we? Kumiko: Yep. Reina: Okay. I'll be looking forward to it. Kumiko: Me too! ... I can't say why, but you seem to be in a good mood today. Reina: You think so? Kumiko: Yep. Reina: How? Kumiko: Can't say specifically, but just something about it. Reina: So you can't say something specifically about me either. Kumiko: Sorry, sorry. Somehow, I'm feeling better, too. Reina: That's good to hear. You were at your wit's end with practice these days. Kumiko: Ah, mm, it's that difficult part. Asuka-senpai can play it no problem, but I can't. It's frustrating how I can't play well. Reina: It's frustrating. Beyond frustrating. Kumiko: I've begun to realize that recently. Reina: Mm. Kumiko: When Taki-sensei asked me if I'd be able to play it, I wouldn't have been able to answer it before. Reina: Mm. Kumiko: But when I saw you, I felt that wouldn't cut it. Reina: Mm. Kumiko: I want to get better. Reina: Mm. Kumiko: Reina, do you still want to become special? Reina: Of course. I want to become special. Kumiko: So you do. I'm relieved to hear that. Reina: Why are you relieved? Kumiko: Just because ... Let's - race to the bridge! Reina: Wait, Kumiko?! Don't just start running! Kumiko: The loser buys ice cream! Reina: What - I'm so going to win! Kumiko: Eh?! You're fast! Reina: Did you forget I'm quick on my feet? Kumiko: Ah, you were quick! Reina: Kumiko, caddisflies! Kumiko: No!! Reina: See you! Kumiko: Ah, don't pass me by! Wait! Reina: Kumiko, come on! Kumiko: Reina, You're too fast!
Kumiko [Narration]: Only days before the competition, thanks to Reina's words, I felt I could move forward. I want to play more, on the bright and warm competition stage. One summer day on the way home, I found myself thinking that. Kumiko: Hey, Reina. Reina: Yeah? Kumiko: Let's win at the competition. Reina: Okay.
Ah, oops, didn't see that someone already translated it. Oh well, have another.
>>1855803 Archive Of Our Own's Hibike section is decent and fairly small, so I recommend just diving in. I particularly like these two stories: http://archiveofourown.org/works/4323327/chapters/9802788 Reina/Kumiko getting together. It's marked unfinished, but even if the writer never continues, it's a perfectly good ending.
http://archiveofourown.org/works/4673270 That one's new. Asuka breaks Kaori's heart.
>>1856593 Yeah, but the problem is the second years and third years are just as important. There is a reason why they made those focus Episodes for Aoi, Yuuko, Haruka and Kaori and focused on their relationships a little. Reina may be popular and will certainly have her episodes which will focus on Taki unfortunately but since this is actually an ensemble cast, the second years will be more focused in the second season if it happens. Just like how the first years were more focused in the first season.
>>1856603 If we were having the same conversation before the show had aired, you'd be saying that Reina would be irrelevant for most of the story and all of her scenes would have a clearly platonic context. Don't make factual statements about things you clearly have no way of knowing.
>>1856612 >If we were having the same conversation before the show had aired, you'd be saying that Reina would be irrelevant for most of the story and all of her scenes would have a clearly platonic context. Don't make factual statements about things you clearly have no way of knowing. The focus of the first novel is Kumiko's character development, and that didn't change in the anime. They gave more focus to Reina, but that made sense because the novel had already established that Reina was to be Kumiko's best friend. The anime just when further building on that idea. Likewise, if they ever do a second season, the focus will be on the third years, like in the novel. But Reina doesn't have any note-worthy connection to the third years, so her focus will naturally decrease, no matter how popular she is.
>>1856722 Don't make factual statements about things you clearly have no way of knowing, especially when expanding characters isn't just something KyoAni is known to do, but something they have to do to fill a full season with one of these novels. Reina's arc went from a minor sideshow to a significant juncture in the plot and character development, and so just as you're post-hoc justifying her increased presence now, you're equally likely to be here in a year's time, talking about how it was only natural that Reina had a major role since she provided Kumiko an analogue to Nozomi and Mizore's relationship, but that she's definitely not going to be important in the third season when Asuka takes center stage.
>>1856739 >Reina's arc went from a minor sideshow to a significant juncture in the plot and character development Sure, but they were still expanding something that was already in the novel. That won't be the case when the focus shift to Nozomi and Mizore, as Reina has no connection to them whatsoever.
>>1856741 Reina doesn't have social connections to the two, but she's still part of Kumiko's journey of understanding, as exhibited for instance when they talk about why she plays, and expanding Kumiko's worries about their friendship would make a certain amount of sense considering the final episode foreshadowing what Azusa is going through as well as the Nozomi/Mizore drama. It's silly to act like anything about the second season is set in stone one way or the other, especially given that if we accept "it played out that way in the book" as a solid argument by itself, there's little point talking about it on /u/ anyway outside of the occasional post in the general thread.
>>1856741 Reina has no connection to them whatsoever. She still has a very close connection to Kumiko, so giving them scenes together is the easiest thing in the world. Even if KyoAni's writers are less creative than >>1856739, they can just have them talk about Nozomi and Mizore.
>Anyway, let's just agree to disagree and move on. Will you agree to not make the same stupid argument the next time there's a Hibike thread?
>>1856824 >She still has a very close connection to Kumiko, so giving them scenes together is the easiest thing in the world. Wouldn't those scenes be dedicated to Reina's own little subplot about worrying that Taki got a girlfriend? I doubt they will remove that, since Reina getting the courage to ask Taki about it is important character development for her. Besides, that subplot also leads to Kumiko learning about Taki's past, and there is foreshadowing to his past in the last episode of the first season.
Really, Life is Strange and Hibike! Euphonium are really similar. Both tap into nostalgia for high school, depict artistic teenagers, focus on a close female friendship with romantic undertones and try to make their characters more realistic than is common in their medium.
In fact, the two bleed into each other in my head so much that sometimes I have trouble remembering Taki-sensei is not in fact the murderer, let alone that there isn't even a murderer in H!E.
>>1862838 They're cute, but it's a common yuri-subtext dynamic, to the extent that you often see them referred to as Deko and Shinka v2. I think one of the reasons that everywhere latched onto Reina and Kumiko was how the indescribable intensity of their relationship pushes beyond those kinds of archetype.
>>1862870 Basically this. The little details were what sell it for me:
>Reina states that she always rides her bicycle to and from school, a few episodes later shes riding the same train as Kumiko "just because". >Kumiko's isn't answering her phone, let's call her lots of times.
They did an excellent job showing us how gay they were, and a horrible one at telling us how straight they were.
>>1862870 I'm kind of undecided on if I even liked them having their own share of subtext. One of the things that sets H!E aside from most KyoAni shows is how it depicts close same-sex friendships that aren't the least bit romantic, like Haruka&Kaori and Hazuki&Midori. With that as a baseline, it's for once possible to try to determine what kind of behavior goes beyond friendship. That is, if everyone is ambiguously gay, then no one's actually gay. (I'm half convinced Free! takes place in a universe where gayness doesn't exist.)
However, Natsuki and Yuuko's thing is cliché and doesn't really suit the semi-realistic tone of the series. (You could say the same about Yuuko's *admiration* of Kaori-senpai, though I think that's redeemed by Kaori constantly turning down poor Yuuko.) I suppose I'm afraid season two drops the ball and writes all the close relationships between girls as generic subtext like that.
>>1862916 Well, Kumiko and Reina are the most popular thing from the show by a big margin. I think they trying to push other things and testing waters, and from there they will decide what to do about an eventual second season (or scrape any plans for it.)
>>1862930 Unless you're always right about everything you ever say though some inherent property of the universe, that doesn't really address the point that you're speaking as if things we both know nobody knows are concrete facts that everyone should be taking as read.
>>1868350 Not them, but because that's how it is. Canon means that the material acknowledges a specific event. While the anime has lots of moments that heavily hint to Kumiko and Reina being almost lovers, it never directly acknowledges it.
>>1868357 We have been over this. The anime has been rewritten so extremely by KyoAni that the canon has effectively been split. Anime and manga are really two different stories now.
Its been a surprisingly effective marketing gimmick. As sales of the novels HAVE increased greatly due to the controversy as people buy them out of curiosity and then go argue about which version is better.
>>1868350 Because that's what canon means. It's an English word and has a definition. It basically means 'confirmed by official sources', and doesn't just refer to the status of a relationship. A character can be canonically good at sports, a fan of Mozart, like spicy food, etc.
If a show hints that two girls are a couple or are attracted to each other without saying so outright, then it's subtext, not canon. If there's no hint whatsoever and people ship them together anyway, it's yuri goggles.
You can say 'I believe they're a couple' or 'They're a couple in my mind', and that's fine. But when you say 'For me they're canon', that's objectively wrong. Like saying 'For me 1 + 1 = 3'.
>>1868369 You're thinking about something entirely different.
You're talking about canon in the continuation sense. For example: Derivative works that deviate from the source material are their own canon (continuation) and can be considered as separate entities from the source.
The "canon" that's in 99% of the discussions on /u/ is referring to if something is official/explicit within the specific work referenced. Example: Margot/Malga is a canon romantic couple in the Horizon anime while Mio/Ritsu is not a canon romantic couple in K-On.
Kumikek and Reina are not a canon (official) romantic couple in either the LN or the Anime. But the anime canon (continuation) gives them plenty of heavy subtext.
>>1868369 >We have been over this. The anime has been rewritten so extremely by KyoAni that the canon has effectively been split. Anime and manga are really two different stories now. That poster isn't referring to the LN (not manga) to say that they aren't a canon couple. And neither am I.
If you go solely by the anime they still aren't a canon couple. Their relationship is subtext, albeit strong. That doesn't mean it won't ever become canon, but whether you believe it will depends on how much you think the LN will influence the future plot. That part is subjective. Whether it's canon right now or not isn't.
We have been over this. The "rewrites" were fairly minor things, mostly just selectively adapting scenes to give more focus to some characters over others. They had a 13-episode run and did this in order to have a few really well-rounded and developed characters (Kumiko, Reina) instead of a scattering of half-baked ones.
In the novel Reina slid her finger against Kumiko's cheek instead of her nose and lip, and people start running around like headless chickens proclaiming KyoAni to be their new yuri lord and savior. They're not. What they did was just throwing a bone to the 百合豚 by heavily visually framing Kumiko and Reina's scenes in a romantic way.
It's not canon, there will never be an S2, and even if there were it wouldn't have any lesbian romance in it.
>>1868391 >We have been over this. The "rewrites" were fairly minor things, mostly just selectively adapting scenes to give more focus to some characters over others And we've been over this, too. I'm never going to understand why people think that pointing out that only character interactions rather than the central plot were changed is relevant to a discussion about whether the character interactions will be changed.
>In the novel Reina slid her finger against Kumiko's cheek instead of her nose and lip, and people start running around like headless chickens proclaiming KyoAni to be their new yuri lord and savior. This is as bad as a /v/ greentext argument, both in terms of misrepresenting what happened and in misrepresenting the reactions.
>They had a 13-episode run and did this in order to have a few really well-rounded and developed characters What does this even mean? They had to pad it out with original material in order to get thirteen episodes from one novel, not squeeze it down and distil out less-relevant material.
>It's not canon, there will never be an S2, and even if there were it wouldn't have any lesbian romance in it. Shit, it's Nostradamus.
>>1868555 >I'm never going to understand why people think that pointing out that only character interactions rather than the central plot were changed is relevant to a discussion about whether the character interactions will be changed. I particularly like the form of this argument that insists that since only character interactions were changed, it must mean that a hypothetical season two will necessarily involve a return to the novel's character interactions, i.e. Kumiko/Shoe happening.
>>1868607 It's even more funny when you realize that Kumiko (in the novel) was totally tsundere (a shitty one) about Shuiichi. In the anime? She didn't even grasp the possibility of him having an interest in her. All their interactions (the ones that weren't erased or given to Reina) were downgraded to "friends". Even if he still "likes her" and Hazuki made her baseless claim about Kumiko not knowing her own feelings.
>>1868678 Well I never said it was "unlikely" I don't know the future, nor I care about knowing it. I was just stating that the anime didn't make Kumiko and Reina a canon pairing. Even if it seems to hint heavily at it.
>>1868391 >We have been over this. The "rewrites" were fairly minor things, mostly just selectively adapting scenes to give more focus to some characters over others. They had a 13-episode run and did this in order to have a few really well-rounded and developed characters (Kumiko, Reina) instead of a scattering of half-baked ones.
So that's why they took the romantic scenes of Shoe1 and they gave them to Reina... really?
>>1868381 >>1868386 You're right, I suppose, but if there's no season two, I'll take the second to last shot of their intertwined fingers as meaning they'll get together eventually and won't give a shit if it isn't explicit enough for someone on the Internet.
>>1868902 I'm not the person who called it canon. Frankly, I think it's idiotic to make such a big thing about whether something is canon. You don't see /a/ making a huge deal about how something like Another only heavily implied the boy and girl would get together instead of showing it explicitly. Why should we when it comes to a girl and another girl?
>>1868906 >Why should we when it comes to a girl and another girl? Because some people care about that. If you don't, good for you. But I do hope you're not retard enough to assume everyone has to think like you.
>>1868906 Personally, because content producers' cowardice regarding showing MCs in explicitly lesbian relationships bothers me and by accepting them dancing around the issue we tacitly encourage their behavior. Yeah, even though I know we're not the intended target audience, whatever. It's not as if the novels only 'imply' that Kumiko and Shuichi get together in the end. /a/ don't have to make a huge deal about that kind of shit because they have plenty of material that explicitly shows boys and girls getting together, as well as implying it. Whereas most 'yuri' anime it's generally accepted that the characters are together, but it's never explicitly confirmed or shown within the material.
>>1868906 >You don't see /a/ making a huge deal about how something like Another only heavily implied the boy and girl would get together instead of showing it explicitly. Het relationships are the norm. You don't need to spell them out because statistically speaking they're likely to get together anyway. Gay relationships need to be spelled out or they can just be waved off as close friendship. Of course you could just not care that people do so for pairings that you like. But having it confirmed on-screen can have benefits, like being able to see and hear your characters kiss and do romantic things instead of only reading about them in a doujin. It also can mean an enormous increase in fanart.
>>1868910 They don't have to, of course. It would just be smart of them and save them a lot of grief. Besides, it's all arbitrary. As we know from the novel, intertwining your fingers with your best girl is romantic. Why does only slobbering on her face count?
>>1868923 That's a good point, but I think fandom takes it a little too far sometimes. Criticizing companies for being too chickenshit to actually show the gay is one thing, but does it have to extend to one's appreciation of the content? There's this feeling that pairings that aren't explicit enough according to someone's criteria are not as good as one's who, say, kiss on-camera that doesn't seem to have anything to do with disgust at two-faced anime producers.
>>1868929 >Gay relationships need to be spelled out or they can just be waved off as close friendship I think we're the last people who should accept this.
>>1868938 Oh, it doesn't usually affect my appreciation of the content. (Occasionally. It depends on how obnoxiously they handle it. Sometimes it's just insulting.) I'm just an asshole about differentiating between canon and subtext. Sometimes it will be in the nature of a relationship for it to never progress past subtext on the page/screen in the first place. I presume there are others for whom it does always affect their appreciation.
>>1868938 >As we know from the novel, intertwining your fingers with your best girl is romantic. Why does only slobbering on her face count? Because the former can be done outside of romantic situations. The latter too, actually (CPR, oops-I-tripped etc.) It isn't enough that they kiss, but they need to do it for unambiguously romantic reasons.
>I think we're the last people who should accept this. I strongly disagree. In fact, I think we're the ones who should champion it the most. If subtext and canon (all else being equal) shows were equally popular among the yuri crowd then anime studios are just going to stick to subtext. It's safer, appeals to a larger audience, and doesn't risk the wrath of the religious censors.
>>1868950 >Sometimes it's just insulting Yeah, it depends on the story being told. If there's, say, a hypothetical lesbian couple who've been together practically since childhood, live together and raise a daughter together, it would obviously be galling if she just referred to her mothers as best friends. However, I don't think a pre-relationship story like this would have been improved any if we'd have gotten a last moment 'Oh shit, I wanna bone Reina' realization from Kumiko or something. That's assuming there's no season two, of course.
>>1869856 But your phrasing didn't actually say that, it implied that what was extraordinary about Kumiko and Reina's relationship that attracted attention was that it went beyond "*wink* *wink* super duper close friends *wink* *wink*", which it certainly didn't. Kyoani's portrayal of their relationship and framing of many of their scenes was just as knowing as a lot of other shows without ever actually committing to anything. It just that as always, Kyoani does it particularly well.
>>1869869 It went beyond the usual subtext, though. Which is exactly what Natsuki and Yuuko are. KyoAni's pedigree sure helped at it, but the portrayal goes beyond the norm. I not saying they made a canon lesbian relationship, because they didn't. But they made their relationship more meaningful that the usual.
OVA preview is up. It's about the B-team supporting the competition band before the concert, so expect Hazuki and Natsuki focus. The PV has a scene with Hazuki and Shuuichi, which could be a good or bad thing depending on how it goes. Other than that, this still is probably about Hazuki deciding that she should make Kumiko and Reina matching charms, but other than that I doubt they'll get much time.
>>1871137 No pain, no gain. They might as well change the source if it comes down to it. chances are slim, but I for one hate to be kept in limbo ore than losing a potential yuri ending. We might even benefit from it.
>>1871164 It doesn't have to be mostly original. Just change Kumiko and Reina's characterization a bit and give them additional scenes, just like they already did. Any half-way decent writer should be able to make Kumiko getting involved with someone else's (semi-)lesbian drama into an opening for some of her own.
https://ultimatemegax.wordpress.com/2015/09/27/sound-euphonium-roundtable-director-tatsuya-ishihara-series-director-naoko-yamada-author-ayano-takeda/ >Takeda: Shuichi is special as well, but for Kumiko, Reina is depicted as a presence that is above him. Before Kumiko met her, he may have been her special guy, but now her relationship with Reina is eternal. It's happening
>>1876043 Anon, they are talking about how friendship is more important than romance. That means they are not romantic at all, but just friends, in fact that means Shoe can still be her romantic interest. That means we lost
>>1876046 >If it's more important, that means we won. Reina is Kumiko's eternal love confirmed Eternal platonic love confirmed. Kumiko will still date guys romantically, even if her friendship with Reina's more important. That's what they said.
>>1876036 So much mental gymnastics in that interview to make the show look like a beautiful artistic decision, when we know the real reason is just cynical yuribait. Fuck KyoAni. I hope they all burn in hell.
>>1876071 Typically how the author did it in the last novel - Shuichi and Kumiko start dating but Kumiko chooses to go home with Reina, which annoys Shuichi. Kumiko just asks if he's jealous then goes off with Reina. It's supposed to depict Kumiko and Reina as being bffs, besties before testes, sisters before misters. While the stereotype seems to be people who get boyfriends or girlfriends will leave their friends behind in favor of being with their lover.
im rather disappointed that they could shoehorn shoe in. I just want my lesbian romance.
>>1876122 It just sounds like a dead-end, like the start of a romance novel where the protagonist discovers that relationships don't have to involve looking forward to when the date is over and you can do something you enjoy.
The interview just cements Shuichi position as a "afterthought" while at the same time killing the "romantic subtext" that Kumiko and Reina's scenes had. It's the most amusing backpedaling I've seen in a while.
Does anyone has those translations form the novel in which Kumiko's is basically lusting after Reina and then she says something along the lines of "not in a perverted sense"?
>>1876229 Of course, I just find the whole thing amusing. It is like she is afraid that anyone even thinks that Kumiko and Reina could be romantically involved. I'm starting to believe that she, the author, is just a closeted lesbian.
>>1876218 It actually makes a lot of sense now. Everyone kept calling the series "yuribait" but that explanation just never made sense to me, nothing about the series is that cynical. Now I can see an earnest attempt to portray a transcendent friendship, and the possible failing being that they didn't know how to convey it without using romantic language and images. Or even sexual in some cases. It sounds like they thought they were distinguishing between "sensual" and "like a lusty wolf coming out" but they didn't really
>>1876218 Note how the person who most talks about Kumiko/Reina being a fellowship is Takeda, so there isn't really anything new there. The anime changed things to a deliberately romantic direction so much that I'm not jumping ship.
This shouldn't even be an argument. Reimiko was so romanticised that when Reina told Kumiko that she "loved" Taki, it was like the scene belonged in another anime. It was completely out of place and awkward when compared to the forced romantic tone in the anime associated with the girls. The amount of effort these guys put in to make it all so romantic (camera shots, dialogue, character direction) makes it hard to believe that they were stupid enough to think they were only portraying a strong eternal friendship. They knew exactly what they were doing, and it's called bait.
I only feel bad that this anime doesn't have a studio that has the balls to scream canon yuri from the rooftops. Such a shame for such a beautiful anime where the romance was actually well depicted. >mfw I might never see an episode 8 like that again
>>1876290 What was Yamada supposed to say? "Yeah, your take was fine, Takeda, but we decided they worked better as lesbian homosexuals?" That would rather take away any "will they or won't they" KyoAni might want to continue with in a potential season two.
>>1876061 Yeah, contrasting Haruka and Kaori's close platonic bond with Reina and Kumiko's moment in episode 11 was so deliberate I refuse to accept we were meant to interpret them both as the same thing.
>>1876298 >Yeah, contrasting Haruka and Kaori's close platonic bond with Reina and Kumiko's moment in episode 11 was so deliberate I refuse to accept we were meant to interpret them both as the same thing.
Fucking this. We did have a "platonic relationship" right there and in no way is similar to Kumiko and Reina's one. They went way beyond a friendship, and they surely are aware of it.
>>1876328 If all they wanted was to depict Kumko and Reina as a platonic super besties, all they needed to do was adapt those parts of the novel accurately and keep the Shuuichi romance. Instead they gutted it and ramped up the Reina/Kumiko subtext. If you think artists never lie or avoid certain topics in interviews to keep future developments under wraps, you must be pretty new to this stuff.
>>1876382 I don't think they're are keeping "future developments" under wraps. It's the classic stance of "no, they aren't gay." because it seems Japan can deal with main characters that are gay. It doesn't help that the author seems to be a lesbian in denial and deep buried in the closet.
>>1876487 It seems to be the only explanation that makes sense anymore. How can she go on about "fellowship" and "friendship" when she wrote Kumiko feeling Reina's underwear and watching her sweaty skin and things like that.
>>1876296 Kyoto Animation lives and dies by adaptations of light novels/manga, d/u/de. They're never gonna make a major change like changing the mc's sexuality and love interest because if they deviate to far from an authors original artistic vision, other authors might not want anything to do with them.
So they'll change it up a bit, make a close friendship even closer and take out the romantic scenes with the opposite sex, and hint and hint, but they'll never go all the way. They can't afford to go all the way, literally, making anime is super expensive even if you aren't holding yourself to the standard that kyoani does. And people shouldn't have expected them too.
Having said all this, I'm hoping for there to be a scene in the OVA where Hazuki see's them kiss and that's what inspires her to make the matching charms.
>>1876593 People on /a/ are just trolling. It's nothing more than the usual shitposting to then blame /u/ about it. Over here we were actually talking about the interview, and how what they are saying doesn't add up.
https://ultimatemegax.wordpress.com/2015/09/27/sound-euphonium-roundtable-director-tatsuya-ishihara-series-director-naoko-yamada-author-ayano-takeda/ interview is here
Yamada: The descriptions in the novel when Kumiko sees Reina were so unbearably stimulating. Therefore, I wanted to properly depict that. Takeda: Thank you very much.
Takeda: (laughs) In almost every work, not just novels, there’s so many that put romance above fellowship, aren’t there? I wasn’t satisfied with that, so I wrote this work thinking of making fellowship above romance. It’s just as Yamada-san says, Reina is a bit sensual from Kumiko’s point of view. It’s something characteristic that a girl would sense and describe. If a man were writing it, wouldn’t it be more like a lusty wolf coming out? (laughs) Yamada: In this world, there’s so much that doesn’t just move because of love for love’s sake. Takeda: Shuichi is special as well, but for Kumiko, Reina is depicted as a presence that is above him. Before Kumiko met her, he may have been her special guy, but now her relationship with Reina is eternal. It’s not just those two; that type of relationship is throughout this entire story. I wanted to show fellowship as this vastly important thing that gets cultivated by mankind depending on each other and working hard in that closed space of club activities. Ishihara: Relating to that description, honestly, Yamada saved us by being present. I don’t know the first thing about girl friendships or fellowships, but I can surmise from this discussion that it’s quite difficult. By all means the way guys look at girls may be depicted in stereotypes. While there is a portion of this work that feels like the processed view guys see, it was important to escape away from that stereotyping.
>>1876647 So it was their intent that they only be friends? Wow. They failed at that big time. What they put on the screen, was gay. I really think they are lying here. This is not a pair of rookies here, they did this deliberately to spark controversy and get people to buy both the novels and the anime to compare.
>>1876666 >So it was their intent that they only be friends? >Wow. They failed at that big time.
Don't confuse the author's intention with what KyoAni decided to animate. The author might have intended to depict an intimate friendship, but KyoAni clearly read the plot and decided to seize the opportunity to make a show that would pull in yurifags by the boat-load without needing to go all the way and put off hetfags.
They obviously succeeded wildly, and the author did too since her work is now very popular. The only failure here is for people who want to see yuri romance that actually goes somewhere.
>>1876679 it's not like the author didn't know what was going on, she said she wrote volumes 2-4 using stuff that Kyoani themselves made up, like the side characters that were later introduced. And Takeda and Yamada were hitting it off discussing Reina and Kumiko's relationship. Everything just turned out to be Class-S as usual
Yamada: It felt like we were writing an exchange diary as we were working on the anime and then the novels were announced. I would learn that Taki-sensei likes coffee milk and then it’d show up in your writing. (laughs) Takeda: Right. It was very fun.
>>1876703 >she said she wrote volumes 2-4 using stuff that Kyoani themselves made up No she doesn't. The only volume that was affected by the anime was the last one, the short story collection. The plural there is probably a translation error.
>>1876591 Yeah, just look at how badly Hollywood suffered when they once made an inaccurate adaptation of a novel. They've been a pariah ever since.
>>1877215 No one cares? They are from the second novel, one that isn't translated or animated, so why should anyone give a damn? We just have bits and pieces and are very inconclusive about how "gay" they really are.
>>1877370 This person doesn't have any idea of what they are talking about. To put a even more expensive example: World War Z: The only thing that movie had in common with the book was the freaking name. When you bought the rights to make an adaptation of a work, whatever you do with them is your problem.
KyoAni usually owns the rights of the properties they animate and change (Chuu, Free), and the ones they keep as close as they can to the original is because they are contracted, usually by Kadokawa, to adapt someone else properties. Hibike rights are owned by KyoAni, so they can do whatever they want with them.
>>1877692 Trusting kyoani with anything Yuri is the reason kyoani is the way it is. They will suck dry the Yuri fanbase and when they're done they'll toss the Yuri fanbase away, they've done it time and time again
>>1877383 Mizore and Nozomi's relationship is about the only relationship in the novels that aren't subtext because Mizore straight out says that she's in love with Nozomi, in both her own POV short story and in volume 2. But she also says that Nozomi only sees her as a friend. Even after the huge scene in the ending of the second volume, to Nozomi, Mizore is just her best friend. Kumiko also is sad that Mizore won't confess her true feelings to Nozomi.
>Mizore loves Nozomi. Definitely many times more than Yuuko adores Kaori. But, to Nozomi, Mizore is no different of an existence than anyone else.
>Takeda: Reina is a bit sensual from Kumiko’s point of view. It’s something characteristic that a girl would sense and describe. If a man were writing it, wouldn’t it be more like a lusty wolf coming out? (laughs) >Takeda: Shuichi is special as well, but for Kumiko, Reina is depicted as a presence that is above him. Before Kumiko met her, he may have been her special guy, but now her relationship with Reina is eternal. It’s not just those two; that type of relationship is throughout this entire story.
Hurr durr Reina is above Suuishit but they can't be together because girls can't love girls xdd
>>1877978 Don't forget that Mizore also has the worst self esteem in the world. Nozomi I believe doesn't see her as just a friend, shes just incredibly oblivious to romantic stuff. By the end when Nozomi and Mizore started talking again she didn't even notice Kumiko, Yuuko and Natsuki were in the room, all she focused on was on Mizore.
In episode 6, at 04:28, there appears to be some sort of brief flashback scene, but I don't recognize it from any of the previous episodes I've watched so far. Is it a flashforward? Or have I just forgotten when it occurred?
>>1883629 >the whole fucking week between episodes
Actually, I'm extremely busy with school and only have time for one or two episodes at a go. So it's been probably a week between every two or three episodes, on average so far. I likely won't have time to watch episode 9, for example, until either thursday or saturday.
>>1883634 Yes and no. My point is that fucking weeks between episodes were very painful. >According to the novel.. >Fuck the novel.. >Bullshit >KyoAni >KyoAni masters queerbaiters >bullshit^2 >B-but, the red string of the fate... >That is bullshit too >Oh, my little poor lesbians, are you feeling the burn? >You! >>>/a/
>>1883702 The threads were horrible, but kind of fun if you didn't start the show believing it was "yuri".
The only really annoying thing were the people bringing stuff from novels 2 and 3 when the anime was only about the first one. Hell, even in the credits it states that the anime is based on "Sound! Euphonium: Welcome to Kitauji's Wind Ensemble". That's the firsts book.
>>1883976 But, they were more worried about KyoAni changing the meaning behind the "red string of fate" from "romantic" love to "friendship". It was bullshit from the beginning. The Red String of Fate means a fated encounter between two people, nothing more, nothing less. Granted it's mostly used in a romantic context, but that's not its only meaning. Then were the people deluded claiming that KyoAni was changing the novel canon and their proof were "the red string of fate" and some joke on Free! about the subject. I mean I know some fujos are deluded into thinking that the Free guys fuck each other off-screen, but come on.
Now, the writing in the anime comes across as two awkward girls realizing their attraction to each other. That can't be denied.
>>1883984 >red string of fate Nobody was worried about them changing it, we were pissed off they were clearly baiting us with it. As was discussed to death, in 99% of cases it does indicate a romantic relationship and Kyoani is one of the few examples of the red string of friendship, in their fujobait. Maybe the boys are fucking off screen, maybe their not, but it's in Kyoani's interest to keep people guessing. It was after all the Japanese fans who called it the "red fishing line", not us. Not that I really want to dredge this argument up again, but it was a calculated action on Kyoani's part and it pisses me off.
>Now, the writing in the anime comes across as two awkward girls realizing their attraction to each other. That can't be denied. True.
>>1884337 Anon is full of bullshit, the red string of fate, originally tied by the ankle and a chinese myth, has been said to be created by a matchmaker/god of marriage. In fact marriage is a huge part of that string. Its also not even a point because KyoAni uses it to bait on purpose, they know the association, nobody in their right mind uses it for friendship unless they want the romantic tint. It's why it was in Free for Fujobait.
>>1884348 >>1884337 >The red string of fate (simplified Chinese: 姻缘红線; traditional Chinese: 姻緣紅線; pinyin: Yīnyuán hóngxiàn), also referred to as the red string of marriage, and other variants, is an East Asian belief originating from Chinese legend and is also used in Japanese legend. According to this myth, the gods tie an invisible red cord around the ankles of those that are destined to meet one another in a certain situation or help each other in a certain way. Often, in Japanese culture, it is thought to be tied around the little finger. According to Chinese legend, the deity in charge of "the red thread" is believed to be Yue Xia Lao (月下老), often abbreviated to Yue Lao (月老), the old lunar matchmaker god, who is in charge of marriages.
I did concede that it's more often used as a "sign of romantic love" but it's not its only meaning.
>>1884071 >>1883984 >The Free! thing is just fujos failing hard at understanding what camaraderie is. It seems that for some women, the concept is so beyond their logic that they even fail to register it.
Don't you think it a bit ironic to be talking like this on a yuri board, let alone in a thread about another Kyoani show?
>>1885964 Consider the following: The majority of Free! fans are women that ship the guys. You will think that gay men will jump at the series because "they are totally gay!" Well, they aren't. If you can find a no-delusional fujo (they are rare but they do exist) she probably will admit that all their shipping is wishful thinking. On Hibike! It's just a matter of intent being a thing and portrayal being another. The author loves to point out how "not lesbian an totally straight" Kumiko and Reina are while describing scenes in which they're basically lusting at each other. That's why some people here were toying with the idea of her being a closeted lesbian.
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