Question about the Dark Brotherhood in Skyrim:
After you become the listener, what the hell is everyone else doing? I mean, you listen; you set up the contract; you carry out the murder. Since you can't tell other members about other contracts and have them do it, what exactly are they doing?
Dark brotherhood always seems to get rekt
Also, another question:
Is the last dragonborn joining the dark brotherhood going to be canon? If not, it seems like there is no way to have the dark brotherhood continue on into later (setting wise) TES games, as they were on the verge of totally being wiped out from all of Tamriel
>Since you can't tell other members about other contracts and have them do it, what exactly are they doing?
Dark Brotherhood in Skyrim doesn't follow the code of the actual Dark Brotherhood.
Their sanctuary and the person in charge turned it into a simple assassination gang that kills purely for fun and profit.
The current leader even admits to not believing in The Night Mother.
That is until you become the listener and everything gets destroyed. After that, it's operating as normal, just with very few members.
But the way the Dark Brotherhood normally operates is the night mother tells the listener about a potential contract. A speaker is sent to set up the contract. Then any of the brothers can execute it.
But in Skyrim, you do all of that, and the other members are doing nothing, unless you take one of the initiates along with you.
being edgy as fuck in their new fortress
its not like any of them did anything before or during any of the shit anyway, if you werent there no progress was made
just like how youre the only one if the thieves guild that actually steals shit and isnt immediately murdered by riften guards
and how none of the companions can actually accomplish shit without dragging you with them
the world revolves around your character, they dont actually put thought into characters in a manner that doesnt involve using them as a quest machine
source is 4chanthat it's canon for the player to go through every possible path, with some being... more canon than others, like how the Champion of Cyrodil became Sheogorath.
I have a better question.
Why is it that the world of TES is literally facing certain destruction every 10 years? what the fuck? And how lucky is everyone that at those 10 years there's always some chosen one who always becomes the champion of the fighters guild, the archmage, the master of the thiefs guild and saves the world, all in a span of a month?
Dude, this was hundreds of years after Oblivion
And I think it's kind of scripted/fated for those heroes to come along at those times. The fabric of the TES universe is super fucked up actually.
You know that they'll pull something out of their ass that saves the dark brotherhood from extinction.
I seriously doubt they would make another TES game without them
Unless the morag tong replaces them
>And how lucky is everyone that at those 10 years there's always some chosen one who always becomes the champion of the fighters guild, the archmage, the master of the thiefs guild and saves the world, all in a span of a month?
chances are if someone is badass enough to save the entire universe they could be the head of all guilds ever
>and how none of the companions can actually accomplish shit without dragging you with them
That ones not true.
Long after I finished The Companions quest line. I ran into Farkas, Aela, and Vilkas on the other side of the map when they suddenly helped me fight a random dragon encounter.
They're the only ones who seem to do anything.
Nazir is sitting there being a cunt, the little girl sits there and continues to do nothing, and the trainee just sits there. Get the Dark Brotherhood Resurrection mod it's fun
Yeah, but in a month? Like most Archmages spend their whole lives becoming Archmages and then some dude in his mid 20's comes along and does that shit in a month without ever having done any magic before in his life?
Also, is it ever explained why those guys are such lames for their entire life and then suddenly just become badasses out of nowhere as soon as the story starts?
>is literally facing certain destruction every 10 years?
You realize Skyrim takes place 200 years after Morrowind right? And that Morrowind was only a calamity of Vvardenfell, not the world.
In fact, regarding the world, we dont know jack shit about whats going on in The other continent (where the other races like the akavir, ka' po' tun, those snake people, those snow demons, those monkey people, etc.)
But at least the dark brotherhood people would talk about contracts they had done with one another. That was cool, because it made them seem like they were doing things. And even with the missions you were sent on, sometimes they would scout out the situation, or how Vazeera backed you up on the one mission. They did shit.
But after it's all over, and you're getting your contracts from the night mother, they aren't doing anything, because you learn about, set up, and execute every contract yourself. It's pretty much a one-man dark brotherhood at that point
This annoys me a lot about doing guild shit, you always end up becoming the fucking leader after some betrayal or some shit. NPCs still treat you like shit and you have nothing to do.
I fucking hated that about skyrim. The paths for the guilds were so fucking short compared to previous games.It's literally about 5 or so quests then your head of the guild.
The only one that actually felt like it had some length to it was TDB quests, but even they were short as hell.
I also didnt like how there was no titles as you progress through the guilds.
>In fact, regarding the world, we dont know jack shit about whats going on in The other continent (where the other races like the akavir, ka' po' tun, those snake people, those snow demons, those monkey people, etc.)
Why does this sound like some shit Bethesda just pulled out of their ass?
It isnt at all, Lore is the one thing they actually do at a top level. I would jizz over a TES game made in the other side of the world.
Though it would obviously end up being some war between Tamriel and Akavir or something.
>wiping out the brotherhood
I made an evil character who was a bandit killing randoms for loot until I hooked up with the dark brotherhood.
I've killed her and destroyed the dark brotherhood in plenty of playthroughs
his scope was limited to Vvardenfell at first. I;d like to say he would have gotten rekt by the oblivion gates and the other provinces, but if he reanimated Akhulakan....
But mantling is a thing. If you act enough like the person you're mantling, you effectively become them. It's what happened to the Nerevarine with... himself and the Champion of Cyrodiil with Pelinal Whitestrake.
Mayne I didn't even play Skyrim, I enjoyed Morrowind back in the day (mainly because being a crazy alchemist drug dealer was really somehow addictive and fun) and Oblivion was kind of fun
But Skyrim is really bland to me, I played for like the first two hours and got really bored and never played it again, now I uninstalled it and I'm too lazy to re-download it and do it again.
Can you summarize for me?
Man, I fucking love Pelinal Whitestrake
I've been playing boreowind for a week or two now and I'm just barely in the upper ranks.
There needs to be a balance between the massive time investment guilds need in MW and the fastrack you get in skyrim.
There are books in those games too. Many of them the same.
They are seen throughout history. For example Reman and the Akaviri invasion
I think Potema fucks some Pyandonean king
All kind of shit
>head to execution site
>go to Redwood
>go to WhiteRun
>I am dragonborn
>learn way of the voice
>Have to kill head dragon
>meet leader of greybears, which is a dragon
>kill head dragon
>(optional): kill greybeard dragon
I had more fun in the Thief's Guild than the main quest
The thing to be mantled would also have to act like you, or at least not stop you from trying to mantle them.
No it was from Bethesda I think (or just an employee) who basically said all the non-opposing questlines happen. Except not all of them are done by the main character.
See all those mercenaries well I guess sometimes they actually do do the quest instead of you.
I hate this about every Bethesda programmed RPG.
The universe revolves around the player character. It makes no fucking sense at all. Society can't seem to run without the player's existence.
>head to execution site
>go to Redwood
>go to WhiteRun
>I am dragonborn
>Old guy tells me to meet up with other old guys
>"Fuck That Shit, That Shit's Gay"
>Go around doing random shit
>Never play game again
Is 99% of all Skyrim runs
Thieves' guild is tedious, but for me it's the best faction in skyrim (sad statement about skyrim), because it's the only one that took a lot of time, and felt the most satisfying when you got back into all of the holds.
Ok nigga, here we go
>going to be executed
>dragon comes during execution
>aw shit son
>run away to some nord city
>loud voice from the mountain
>dude says aw nigga you chosen
>learn to yell magic out of your face
>can absorb dragon souls
>this kills the dragon
>big boss dragon is Alduin, a being that in lore ushers in the start of a new age, by destroying everything
>you kill that nigga in like 2 shots
>I SAVED DUH WORLD
>niggers want you to kill your best bro, who is a chill as fuck dragon
that sounds like a glitch though, i dont think theyre actually scripted to do anything but randomly shoot arrows and beat up targets in the backyard
something like that happened in fallout 3 if you enslaved this one guys ass buddy, a script they forgot to remove makes him try to find the guy so they can sleep next to each other so he goes on a cross map trek to find him
and hes unkillable so he carves a swath of murder wherever he goes searching
it was actually a really cool thing but not something bethesda would actually do on purpose, thats way too much attention to detail
if it wont be noticed by even the most casual of players they never bother with it anymore
Well, he did get you to kill the only dragon more powerful than him (in theory; he was weak as shit in the game).
If you died, and he decided he wanted to rule shit, nobody would be able to stop him
Yes. He was basically an automaton from the future designed SOLELY to split elves in half ass-first with his mighty boot. He would scream praises to Reman Cyrodiil all while doing it, too.
There's only ever been two Sheogoraths from what I understand.
The original, who was a split personality of Jiggylag created by the other Deadra Gods because they feared his sheer power of mass Order, and the current one, who used to be the Hero Of Kvatch but became the Madgod once he helped Sheogorath stop his other self.
When Jiggylag died, so did the first Sheogorath.
With The Hero Of Kvatch as the new Sheogorath, no one has to worry about the Deadra of Order ever again and there is no reason to pass the title of Madgod onto anyone else.
>"I don't have any business with you, so get out of my face!"
You were the worst part of Riften you piece of shit. Mercer should of killed you
Paarthurnax has been with the Graybeards long, LONG before the Dragonborn showed up. He's probably closely bonded with them. I doubt after so many years he would switch sides, especially when he could have just joined Alduin in the first place.
Honesty though if I had the choice I would have helped the dragons take over and enslave the humans.
But maybe that's my fetishes talking
>he doesn't know of the sheer amount of shit the Hero of Kvatch did by the end of the game
Horribly-planned alchemy bugs aren't canon, friend. HoK in the form of Pelinal Whitestrake the Madgod will run a one-man train on that pussy nigger elf Nerevarine.
>start moralfag Kenshiro character
>spend most of my time as an simple mercenary, killing bandits and helping those in need
>arrive in Riften
>"you haven't earned an honest coin in your life, have you lad?"
>try to punch his face in and suplex him
They are both alternate dimensions and planets. You can get there by means of magic, and there are those cuhrazy mananauts who fly through the void with their magic space ship
Yeah, I knew of that Black Hand traitor, I meant that the mistake was they thought it was a Sanctuary member that was the traitor.
I still hate how they got replaced with generic as fuck NPCs that just do whatever you say.
if you take his mothers head with you and drop it on the floor when you see first see The Black Hand, the traitor acts really nervous
Because the series would be
more ofa boring piece of shit if nothing ever happened. Not to mention the fact that the games are set centuries apart, not decades.
Also, what's to say Earth isn't under constant threat of destruction? We just might not know about it.
You're wrong. You're taking it like Shegorath is some spirit that just fused with the HoK.
it's like Ying and Yang, there has to be chaos and there has to be order.
When Sheo became Jiggy again, there was no more chaos, so something had to take the place of chaos so HoK BECAME chaos itself.
He is sheogorath in the sense that it's like a stream of conciousness to be a god, but he's still HoK
Here's what he says when you do it.
Sometimes Bethesda pays attention to the little things.
>something like that happened in fallout 3 if you enslaved this one guys ass buddy, a script they forgot to remove makes him try to find the guy so they can sleep next to each other so he goes on a cross map trek to find him
>and hes unkillable so he carves a swath of murder wherever he goes searching
I know exactly what you're talking abut.
I think they were named Flak and Shrapnel
Damn, now I miss Oblivion. I'll admit there were some things I liked better about Skyrim, though not much, but after replaying both Oblivion feels like the overall better game, and I prefer its world over Skyrim's bland "snow everywhere" world where every dungeon is a Nordic crypt.
Though I still wonder why I wish the dragons enslaved humanity and it's probably due to fetishes
I SAW THAT
THOUGHT YOU COULD DELETE IT AND GET AWAY WITH ACCIDENTALLY POSTING IN THE WRONG THREAD
NOT ON MY WATCH
Now imagine if Oblivion had Skyrim's leveling system. It seems like it would be easy-ish to mod into oblivion. It already keeps track of the skills you use. Honestly, the only reason I don't go back to oblivion the terrible fucking leveling. It's the first and only game where I ever kept a pen and paper next to me to keep track of shit.
Skyrim's quests are so fucking awfully written.
>You haven't earned an honest coin in your life, have you lad?
Why the fuck would someone write this into the game? It either paints Brynjolf as a fucking moron, or assumes that every character that's ever going to speak with him is a thief.
Then you get shit like he Blood on the Ice or w/e quest in Windhelm, which at first seemed like the best quest in the game, something where you actually have you use your brain and figure out who the murderer it.
Even if you find out who is going Jack the Ripper on the town's women you can't tell anyone and you have to arrest the wrong person because the quest has only one route through the chain.
I liked the areas in Skyrim that didn't have snow. Shame they were the minority. The area in the first town area with Delphine (Riverwood?) and its surroundings were pretty though.
There no snow in all of Markarth and the surrounding area
non from falkreath all the way past whiterun
and the who eastern section of the map below windhelm has no snow
It's literally half of the map doesn't have snow
Is the dragonborn even immortal in some way? The only way is if he becomes a wampire is the way I see it, unless if I missed something.
Champion of Cyrodiil is because he's a god, and Nerevarine probably is thanks to his corpus
I found nord crypts super boring, outside of the dragon priests. I didn't particularly like ayleid stuff, but I thought it was more interesting at least.
But seriously, Dwemer ruin blow everything else out of the water.
Game set in the first era fucking when
>Then you get shit like he Blood on the Ice or w/e quest in Windhelm, which at first seemed like the best quest in the game, something where you actually have you use your brain and figure out who the murderer it.
>Even if you find out who is going Jack the Ripper on the town's women you can't tell anyone and you have to arrest the wrong person because the quest has only one route through the chain.
I never bothered with that quest. What happens?
Man, I was playing today, and I was walking from Falkreath to Markarth. I came across the waterfalls that are at Bard's Leap Summit
Man, that shit was beautiful. Nothing in Oblivion even comes close
THAT WOULD BE AGAINST MY CODE OF HONOR
YOU WILL HAVE TO LIVE IN WONDER OF WHAT THAT ANON POSTED, JUST AS HE WILL HAVE TO LIVE IN SHAME
Game on other continent when?
There's so much story and new shit that it could breathe new life into the elder scrolls series. You know they'd never fucking make it, though, since it goes against all the lore they've built up in the series so far.
Miraak was exceedingly old, though whether this was because of Hermaeus Mora or not is unknown. IIRC though, the Dragonborn is just a mortal with the soul of a dragon, so it's unlikely that he'd like forever.
Even the book you find in The Lighthouse that the traitor wrote was just so well done. There was a lot of detail put into it and I actually felt as if I was reading a book by an insane maniac.
I think Todd only lies most of the time because he WANTS his games to be like that, but most of Bethesda likes to cut corners and be lazy because they know whatever they make will sell off of brand recognition alone.
Yes, it's Bethesda wanting world to revolve around you, BUT THERE IS A LORE REASON FOR IT
Not only is world actually reaching it's final destination, The Landfall, but Heroes Of Elderscroll are actual metaphysical thing, an actor that has to come and push the prophecies into action.
>Get to Honningbrew Meadery
>Poison the giant vats in the back room
>Poison now magically transports to small vat on the counter
>Guy gets poisoned
>Meadery isn't closed down for health inspection but given to the brewer
>Bethesda in charge of writing a story
>Skyrim civil war
>canon ending will be total confusion during the war, both factions gaining the upper hand at different times until all faction leaders die and Skyrim falls into anarchy
>Dragonborn sails to Akavir to find the Nerevarine and is never seen again because the Nerevarine ate him to due Skyrim being a shit game
I did it because I didn't want to have to walk back down. I didn't know about the bonus but thought it was awesome when it happened. It was a bit of polish that the rest of the world was sorely lacking.
Aldmeri are the real villains in that Civil War anyways.
I don't like how they barely go deep into the Dominion and conflicts with them. There's that one quest where you save that guy from a Dominion prison, but other than that I don't remember any conflict with them that wasn't an extension of fighting the Imperials.
Maybe they barely touched on it because the next TES game will be about fighting them after they took over the Empire.
I HAVE NEVER
SEEN ANYONE GO SO LONG WITHOUT PROPERLY EXPLAINING MANTLING
JESUS CHRIST /v/ IS LACKING LOREFAGS LATELY
>IF YOU ACT LIKE SOMEONE ON CONCEPTUAL LEVEL SO MUCH THAT YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING UNIVERSE MAKES YOU THE SAME THING
IT'S CALLED MANTLING
>Stumble across a gathering of people around a mangled woman's body at night.
>Talk to the crowd about it, ask the guard if you can help in any way.
>You get approval from Ulfric's advisor.
>Investigate body, follow a trail of blood to a large abandoned manor at the back of town.
>Ask the grieving mother of the former occupants if you can use the key for your investigation.
>Investigate the house, find a strange and unique looking skull amulet and two journals from "The Butcher".
>The Journals talk of what amounts to a man trying to resurrect his wife or sister by ripping the needed materials from bodies of young women and using Necromancy and Alteration to "Flesh Magic" them together similar to a Flesh Golem, but much more advanced.
>The Jarl's Advisor points you to a shop of curiosities owned by a man who probably knows something about the amulet.
>Shop owner points you to the Court Wizard of Windhelm, who is rumored to dabble in Necromancy and dark arts that even the College of Winterhold doesn't condone.
>You report it to the Jarl's Advisor and he Court Wizard is arrested on site and sent to the jail.
>Several Nights pass.
>There's another murder. The Wizard is innocent. You have to find who the real killer is and report him to the Jarl's Advisor.
>You find the primary Butcher Journal in the house of the real killer and he's sent to jail.
I found the main journal before I was even pointed to the Court Wizard, but nah, gotta arrest the wrong guy first, then get mocked for being a moron, because the quest is so hand-holdy and linear.
There's actually a number of areas like this. It's just that they're so out of the way or unknown that you can only ever find them on accident.
It makes the world seem more empty than it is. (It's still pretty bland though,)
Does anyone have that big lore resource thing? I got linked it in an elder scrolls lore thread a while back but can't find it. It wasn't uesp; it was like a blog with links to a bunch of other resources.
Honestly. I mean, Dark Brotherhood always has the greatest quests with cool stories, not even in an edgy way, but atmosphere, tone of the quests, everything you don't pay attention to, but is there shaping it all, it is all done well.
>forced to become Nightingale to finish questline
>have to fucking sell my soul to Nocturne
>little does she know Hircine already has claims to my soul thanks to The Companions forcing me to be a werewolf to finish the questline
>each Daedra God claims me as their champion when I finish their quests
Boy are they gonna be pissed when the dovahkhin dies!
You actually can arrest the right guy first, you know.
But that quest does piss me off because I tried to skip all that bullshit by taking the journal from the Curiosities shop, but of course the game would not register that I found evidence.
Especially because he's just a piece of Akatosh, having a dragon's soul and whatnot.
society doesn't come to a standstill
if you don't do guild quests someone else will do them, not all guild quests are canonically done by your character, only if you want them to be done by your character
The thing is that the events of Main Quest absolutely must be done only by Her of the Elder Scrolls because Elder Scrolls say that only said person will do it and Elder Scrolls are the Law, shards of creation, memory, memory of Godhead, third person view on timeline, looking into your home from your own window, however you want to describe it, Elder Scrolls say something and then it happens.
probably fucking each other in the ass!
I do not understand, one month ago I was discussing Tonal Architecture and C0DA with /v/, now everyone lacks basic understanding about lore.
I mean do absolutely new people that just played TES for the first time come into threads every time while lorefags are missing for some unknown reason?
>Morrowind had actual investigation quests where you could find the target right away without interviewing tons of witnesses and suspects if you were clever enough
>that murder in Vivec quest
>you can search around and interview witnesses, get sent to place to place, until one guy basically points you in the right direction or you could actually read the information youre given and find the killer
Maybe I was too annoyed at the fact that I discovered who it was long before I was even pointed in the Wizard's direction and there was no option at all to turn him in, and I just turned the guy in without paying much attention to what he had to say.
Sheogorath was the Daedric prince of order jyggalag but was cursed with madness because he was amassing armies to conquer the daedric plane. At the end of shivering isles the PC takes his place.
So Jyggalag the daedric prince of order is back and the PC is the daedric prince of madness Sheogorath
I had a glitch relating to that quest.
The amulet remained a quest item afterwords, and apparently you're supposed to show the amulet to whoever first so it will have magic effects.
>I mean do absolutely new people that just played TES for the first time come into threads every time while lorefags are missing for some unknown reason?
They're probably in the general, not here. Not to mention that you don't need to know shit about lore to play the games. How does knowing what chim is make it easier to beat the shit out of stuff?
They actually can't get your soul at all, they better be ready to get super buttmad.
Only way to get soul of someone like you and Herma Mora being a smart ass dick knew that, is to force you to die in their realm so that your soul gets bound to it.
You know why Miraak is stuck in Apocrypha? Not because he died and his soul went to Mora, nope, he a fucking Dragonborn that wouldn't work, It's because just in the moment when Miraak was defeated and dying Herma Mora opened portal, dragged him in and Miraak bled out in his realm.
GET REKT BOI
NOW YOU SERVE ME
NO ONE CAN OUTSMART THE MORA BOI
First off, the hypothetical is that the dragonborn dies... eventually. He would have already killed miraak, and he will still die.
But even so, Hermaeus Mora is not getting outwitted by some faggot
he would have done more than escape
his plans were Dagoth Ur tier world domination on metaphysical level
interestingly they were planing to give Dragonborn chance to convince Miraak to overthink his life and escape together like broes, first and last Dragonborn, there are scrap dialogues for that and scrap questline parts, that alternate ending would end in you escaping and Mora being buttmad as fuck.
Too bad choices are too much to ask for so no Miraak bro for you.
Actually Miraak had good chance to escape, of course Mora would always think of way to fuck him up but he had a fairly good chance because he was aiming really high and using laws of universe to his advantage, again his plans were Dagoth Ur tier.
Im not to sharp on specifics right now
But what about that continent that sank?
Was it the nords or the redguards og home?
It would be pretty cool to play a game that slowly became more submerged.
Although it might end up like how everyone was pissed about fallout 3 not having a continuation.
In oblivion you do the knights of nine following in pelenials foot steps. You both are shezzarars. I think that's the spelling. A aspect of lorkan. Isn't whitesdrake connected to sheogorath? So the CoC sort of becoming him in the end is kind of fitting. Someone correct me if Im wrong
>1000 gold fine
>Life in prison
stop saying that
people don't understand what
>Everything is canon
in this context means
people also don't understand when timeline is bound and when it's unbound so they start screaming
>hurr lore ruined
this is the sorta shit id love to see an open world game take from roguelikes, permadeath and a progressing world
when you die your save isnt reloaded, youre forced to make a new character at that point in time
the further you progress in quests and shit the more choice you have in new character starting points, starting points affect starting gear, stats, shit like that
you match or surpass your old character and you might go on a personal mission to go retrieve their body and have a proper funeral
or just loot all the good shit you lost and then necromancy them back to serve you
and dying with a quest in progress can cause quests to permanently fail because your character didnt arrive in time or some shit, or your new guy will be forced to pick up where they left off, people die or get thrown in jail, new quests open up, shit fucking HAPPENS
i thinks its completely feasible if you strip the "procedural world generation" part every fucking roguelite has these days and create a static world in which these events happen, and write everyone elses story before writing the OC donut steel in
That's a huge fucking shame. Wasn't he trying to oust the godhead by recreating the towers or some shit? Its a shame you have to sniff around for the lore in this game, but on the other hand that's what makes it interesting
>But what about that continent that sank?
>Was it the nords or the redguards og home?
Yokudans are proto Redguards
>It would be pretty cool to play a game that slowly became more submerged.
Yokuda didn't slowly sink, Yokuda exploded.
You know Thu'um? It's a Tonal reality warping power, there are many similar to it.
Sword Singing is Tonal reality warping of Redguards.
Sword Singing lets you forge spirit swords by singing and use various spirit techniques, basically jedi samurai niggers.
The strongest Sword Singing technique is Pankratosword and it has been used only once, you guessed it, on Yokuda. Pankratosword is a group technique that causes explosion strong enough to destroy a whole continent.
So I'm conflicted. I liked Skyrim the first time I played it, but what Elder Squirrel should I play next? More importantly, which one has more customization? (And if so, could anyone link a texture pack for the one you recommend? Even Skyrim had bland textures, and I doubt the previous iterations are any better
That's a fan-theory, a good one though.
>murder 4 people
>"You have commited crimes against skyrim and her people. what say you in your defense?"
>"do you know who I am? I am the thane of (insert town here)"
>"my apologies thane."
It raped lore hard everywhere but in books
Books are good, well not all of them obviously but some books are really good
Several books even say that Transcription error is bullshit and that it was written by scholar that didn't know shit
Then they said that some outside metaphysical forces did the change, which is heavily implied to be Talos and one Scholar even proses his own theory that since White Gold Tower is imitation of Ada-Manta, it just like Ada-Manta warps space and time around itself, he said that since Ayleids used to live in Cyrodiil and they come from Jungelous region Cyrodiil was warped to look like they like, then when Men came it slowly warped to temperate region
His theory is wrong but it's still nice and very creative
Yeah, that's a very good theory which is pretty solid. Like when you take it into consideration and look over his temples, his chant, his motivation it makes a lot of sense.
Nirn, the name of the planet, means Arena in an ancient language.
The story of the world's creation is that the creator god was some sort of trickster who deliberately wanted to fuck over the spirits that he forced to live on the world, presumably so they could gain enlightenment.
The ES world can never be peaceful, since the will of its creator continues to influence it, especially since it's highly likely ever main character of the games has been his avatars.
Very, don't even look here
that picture doesn't depict shit and is based on pre-release lore
CUTTING MOLAG BAL IN HALF
>*TAKES OUT HIS HOLY SWORD OF LIGHT*
>HEH NOTHING PERSONEL KID *SMIRK*
>*CUTS MOLAG BAL IN HALF*
No. There's no need to even be the Dragonborn to do side quests in Skyrim for instance. Anyone who is a great thief can save the Thieve's Guild, any powerful mage can save Winterhold, etc.
But only the Dragonborn can defeat Alduin.
GUYS ARE YOU READY FOR SHEHAI SHEN SHE RU IN TES6?
>BECOMING SWORD SINGER
>ASCENDING TO ANSEI SWORD SAINT
>CREATING WEAPON OUT OF YOUR VERY ESSENCE THAT REPRESENTS YOUR SPIRIT AND DETERMINATION
>LEARNING SHEHAI SHEN SHE RU TECHNIQUES
>START CUTTING UP EVERYTHING LIKE CRAZY
>LEARN REALITY WARPING SWORD TECHNIQUES THAT TELEPORT YOUR CUTS AND OTHER BULLSHIT
>PROBABLY AVATAR OF HOONDING SO END UP FIGHTING THALMOR
My body is ready.
To be fair, I do not think that being admitted to a college as an apprentice and then becoming the dean of that college two days later without improving your skills whatsoever is how the experience generally works for most non-Dragonborn people.
I didn't mean that you were the only one who could do them by virtue of being the dragonborn. I mean that you are, on whichever path you've chosen, fated to be the one to restore whichever group needs restoring. Much like how Arenea had a vision of you being Azura's champion long before you were born, and Kodlak's dream about you.
visions are common for everything in TES
again he had vision of you only if you do said quest, it's not necessary that the main character does guild quests, MK and Kurt and other writers said that multiple times
You bet your ass Redguards have coolest creation myth
They also have best Pantheon
Daggerfall wasn't a "cosmic evil"
Oblivion wasn't fortold
Also, no political upheaval because then it would be just a revolution. Every plot has to have some magic involved because that is what truly makes up Mundus
I can't fucking wait.
Also, I have a some trouble fitting the Redguardp antheon into the divines. Tava is obviously Kynareth/Kune, but what about Tall Papa? He seems like Akatosh, but has some aspect of Magnus merged in.
>siding with the Imperials
>giving a shit about The Blades
>using Lydia as a companion
>implying Illia isn't best follower
>not killing every single Altmer scum you see in a barrage of lightning and steel
>not marrying Ysolda
Make way redguard brothers, good to see that there are whole bunch of us. Redguard stronk, everyone else a shit.
Also Redguard the game is criminally under rated, it's plot has to be some of the best writing in vidya at least of it's time, it's absolutely on par with other great RPGs released around that time, be it Ultima or whatever and it's actually more interesting because characters are very well developed and it's political and all that.
Any good skyrim mods out there?
Anyone know how that bionicle mod is going?
>So Jyggalag the daedric prince of order is back
No he's not. CoC killed him, which also killed the original Sheogorath since they were both the same person.
It's why he became the new Sheogorath in the first place
God, if I could mod at all, I'd make Miraak the most annoying fuck in elder scrolls history.
>DB: Escapes from Apocrapha, random encounter on the map
>DG: Comes outta nowhere in the soul cairn
>HF: 10% chance of "Daddy there's a strange man in the basement!"
Stop trying to fit all Pantheons together man, all Ada were in big cosmic soup before Convention.
All creation myths are true because at that time, time itself was not linear, only thing that is same is the focus point, convention, because that was exactly what created linear time.
As for deities, not all of them are analogous to same deities of Imperial Pantheon, don't forget that Divines are not the only Gods and that there are countless Aedra and Ehlnofey
No. They probably just trademarked Redguard because they had previous not done so
He already is a random encounter though.
And there's already a different strange man in the basement.
No but they should really make redguard playable on something besides win98
Tall Papa is Tall Papa, Satakal is Satakal, Ruptga is Ruptga, it's just that after Lorkhan's Heart was Ripped out and time got imprisoned we have only one facet of deity or aspects of them, as it's stated in Monomyth
>Their constant flux and interplay increase their number, and their personalities take long to congeal. When Akatosh forms, Time begins, and it becomes easier for some spirits to realize themselves as beings with a past and a future. The strongest of the recognizable spirits crystallize: Mephala, Arkay, Y'ffre, Magnus, Rupgta [sic], etc., etc. Others remain as concepts, ideas, or emotions.
Lorefaggots very often compare original TES universe like endless soup of spirits with unshaped time, everything happened everywhere and with everyone and there were endless energies, it's just that at some point some spirit who we know as Lorkhan bound time itself and started the Convention.
This works though, at least to a degree. If you're a Thane of that hold your word is almost law, meaning that the guard thinks there was a good reason you had to murder those people.
Easily. Already my kids bring home Sotha Sil, Vivec, Lorkhan, Pelinal, Centurion Prime, and Neloth.
But she is easily the best follower, or if anyone matches her it's Aranea
Eola is more useful because she can become a steward, and you don't have to travel all the way to the fucking shrine if you ever dismiss her
No, most of Ada are connected to major entities, but a lot of them are not
HoonDing, Y'Ffre etc. are not tied to any major divines at all actually and a lot of deities are mix of multiple deities because that's possible too
You are ignoring Ehlnofey, you see all laws of universe are some spirit that decided to fuse with Nirn to create a law or a thing. Gravity exists because of some ehlnofey, plants, water, air etc.
Y'Ffre is the reason why forests exist, he fused with Nirn to create his idea, and it's legit to worship him because even though 8 Divines did more for basis of the existence, he did a pretty important thing too.
There are millions of Ehlnofey so millions of lesser Gods.
Dunno, never built a basement, was making a joke because you could change it to whatever you wanted, so having Miraak show up in your basement is possible.
He does already show up and steal your dragonsouls though. Be great if he was even more like Gary Oak, like you get to a quest location and he's already done it for you.
this is why im really hoping for the next game to be in Hammerfell
>Get to Skuldafn
>Sahrotaar-like dragon is already flying around the portal when you get there
So these are my characters so far that I already have, or intend to use when the game in their native regions comes out.
>Dunmer M Battlemage
Because glorious House Telvanni and magic is fun as fuck in Morrowind. Also, M for Ahnassi.
>Imperial F Crusader
Knight since the whole MQ is about serving the Prince/being the Whitestrake, and F for dreams of ebing Martin's princess
>Nord M Assassin
Assassin because despite being a hero of the Nords, their warrior culture looks down on practically all his skills, shame because he actually grows to admire his ancestral land. Also, Imperial dog.
>Redguard F Spellsword
Big greatsword backed up with magic powers. Don't give a fuck about Redgaurd taboos about magic, she Makes her own Way. F because qt explorer
>Breton M Nightblade
Since High Rock is a continually divided region with intrigue everywhere, he's great at navigating this Hopefully speech will be useful since that will be his main skill, and in case of things that need to be removed has a stealth suit under his fancy robes, a lot of magic and a knife.
>Altmer F Sorcerer
I like to imagine her as an apprentice of my Battlemage Nerevarine. A shut-in who hasn't at all paid attention to the whole Thalmor stuff because she just wants to make Dwemer power armour.
>Khajiit M Monk
Despite his race's reputation, goes about not stealing stuff and generally fighting for the poor, teaching them how to fight empty-handed and stuff. Does a fuckton of booze and drugs, though.
Bosmer M ?
Argonian F ?
I also have no characters who use a hammer or axe as their main weapon.
Both of them should also use magic, like all my characters. Classes without magic boring as fuck.
This one dude purported that you never escape Molag Bal's realm in the tutorial, and the tamriel you supposedly roam in ESO is actually just Coldharbour. A sick trick by Molag Bal to trick a bunch of foolish mortals into thinking that they're the chosen ones.
I know there's no canon supporting this, other than the fact that coldharbour's supposed to look like a fucked up tamriel, but part of me wants to believe Todd Howard's laughing it up at Bethesda HQ, behind the ESO team's back
I would pay for a mod that turns Mirrak into Gary fucking Oak, popping up at random intervals all throughout the game to battle you and one up you whenever you finish a major quest.
>join the stormcloaks?
>get ready to face Mirrak and his Imperial Legion
>use spells at all?
>better get ready for his super lightning kamehameha death attack
>say goodbye to your stamina with his wicked frostbite breath
>decided to kill the dark brotherhood?
>Hope you're prepared to face The Listerner Miraak
>Leader of the Compaions?
>PREPARE YOUR ANUS, BECAUSE MIRAAK AND HIS SQUADRON OF SILVER HAND ELITES ARE BREAKING DOWN JORRVASKRS DOOR
>smell you later Dragonborn!
Yes. I have discovering skeletal manipulation, and all things will cower before the havoc that will be wrought.
Good. Skyboxes are working once again, got another gun model, all skills are implemented (though you kind of lack experience to get them to level up), and the basics of inventory now exist. Still debating whether to do it grid-based or list based.
We've never seen limbs grow back, but Sotha Sil cut his legs off and replaced them with rockets. He's a bit of a special case though.
>Final Quest is just Alduin with Miraak riding him
>Miraak uses Slen Tiid Vo on Alduin for Round 2
>Only way to win is to kill both
So the big planets are just gods that managed to avoid having all their power sucked into Mundus?
Actually, why do no gods seem to exist now when back in the day Trinimac and Morihaus walking about seemed like nothing special?
not counting the PCs as living gods
Not how it works for inventory, its encumbrance, like TES.
There's gods walking around all the time, either as avatars or in disguise. You met tons of them in Morrowind for example.
Yes, but that might have been because he's too fat to use his atrophied legs.
>dunmer M "custom class to perfect stat gain"
Started off on Morrowind confused about this new land, joined the imperial legion and cult at the beginning before searching for his roots and doing temple and Telvanni, and then finding his destiny as Nerevarine and then solving everyones problems on Morrowind and Bloodmon island as a superhero.
>dunmer M knight
Insane murderer and psychotic who saves Cyrodiil unintentionally and solving everyones problems out of boredom before finding his destiny as Sheogorath
>high elf M assassin
Loyal citizen of the empire, saves Skyrim because its rhe right thing to do vefore becoming jaded and killing the emperor and becoming a vampire cannibal
Havent planned ahead to new possible games
I meant in more in a sort of items have varying sizes and you can rotate them and move them around to your will, not as much as being limited to how well you can sort stuff out.
>Odahviing shows up at the last minute to give you covering support
>Sovngarde is set ablaze in flames, Alduin and Odahviing are fighting in the skies while you and Miraak are fighting in the middle on top of the elevated rock platform
But stars are the holes left by Magna-ge
unless you count Magna-ge as daedra.
Actually, what are the important things about each daedric prince?
Nocturnal is called the 'Ur-dra', impylign she was the first being to come into existence.
Shegorath was born from the 'Sithis-shaped hole', and expresses Lorkhan/Akatosh's dual nature on his own
Mehrunes Dagon was created by Alduin as punishment for trying to stop the devouring of a previous world
>Yes, but that might have been because he's too fat to use his atrophied legs.
I thought it was just because The Dwemer were batshit insane and obsessed with mechanical things.
I always thought they were all augmented like Adam Jensen, except they DID ask for it. Are you telling me that's not true?
Hermaeus Mora is made from pieces of failed Nirn prototypes, Meridia is a fallen Magna-ge
None of the spectres encountered in Morrowind were augmented, so most likely not true. Sotha Sil and his fabricants are the only cyborgs we've most likely seen.
Fuck, I swear I heard her voice outside of Skyrim somewhere
Apparently TESO has some interesting lore about water being connected to memory or knowledge, which is why Hermaeus Mora and Sotha Sil are being associated with water. Also probably how moon sugar gets its power.
Where's the source of thing about Hemaeus Mora you said?
>None of the spectres encountered in Morrowind were augmented, so most likely not true.
Maybe when they turned into ghosts they originated back to their birth forms instead of keeping their mechanical appendages they attached later in life?
You're probably right though. You know more about the lore than anyone in this thread probably.
>Where's the source of thing about Hemaeus Mora you said?
I'd have to to go find it.
But yeah, Sotha Sil being ocean god was pretty nice.
Could you imagine being a normal guy that walks into fighters guild but the champion says that you're not good enough so you decide to try mages guild and its just him again but with a wizard hat on. Like doctor barber from flapjack.
Woah, hold up
I just recently got into TES lore, you're telling me Argonians can do that sexy Jurassic Park shit?
I thought Mach-Na being called an old man was a mistake
>steals the horn
>still makes you go through the fucking dungeon to get the note
>calls you a fool if you question if she can be trusted
>takes the credit for your progress while yelling at the oldbeards
seriously fuck delphine
Yes they can
Argonians were created by TIME TRAVELING SPACE REALITY WARPING TELEPATHIC NIGHTOMNIPOTENT TREES
FUCKING OMEGA TREES OF DOOM KNOWN AS HIST
They have telepathic connection and a weak hivemind of sorts, but Argonians have free will despite hivemind
HIST sap lets them connect straight to HIST and then HIST can do genetical warping
In fact, when Argonians are born, they are stupid lizards until they eat HIST sap and HIST genetically modify them into one of the species of Saxheel or whatever it's called
>if you killed someone you'd only spend ten days in prison.
>The maximum sentence is seven days; if you serve seven days, your skill advancement will be cleared for every skill. You will serve the maximum sentence for any bounty 700 or higher.
>A WHOLE WEEK IN THE SLAMMER!
>HOW WILL I SURVIVE!?
I believe that's because his eye is one of them billboarding things meant to always face the camera.
According to Kirkbride anything can become an argonian, mutant bosmer and khajiit are possible.
Yep, Argonians can change their gender depending on different life phases or need due to Hist. Hist modifications are so strong that hordes of Berserker Argonians created by Hist durring Oblivion invasion were so strong that they pushed Dremora armies back into the portal and then camped inside of Deadlands.
>I sided with the Empire
Yes, good Imperial! Those bigoted Nords don't deserve to run anything! They still worship a false g-d!
The possibility that CoC and LDB can become heads of all guilds is ridiculous to me. I sort of imagine that each questline is done by different people, only witnessed through the eyes of dragonborn. Or sort of like Talos being many people.
For me, I always assumed other characters in the guild would take my place if I didn't do it. Vilkas would complete the Companions quest, Onmund for the College, ....someone for the Dark Brotherhood, and ....someone for the thieve's guild. And who the fuck cares about the Bard's College, I mean seriously.
I'm talking about as like Alduin's head nigga in charge. Like a dragon priest who isn't all mummified. Like maybe have two dragon cults, the new hottest which has like living breathing people, because you know some motherfuckers are gonna be into worshipping the dragons, and the old and busted which is filled with draughr.
Help, I'm pretty excited for TES6.
Skyrim was absolute shit compared to oblivion and morrowind, but I still enjoyed it. Something about bethesda games makes me throw hundreds of hours exploring every nook and cranny in the gameworld at them.
Maybe in the next TES they'll decide not to streamline shit anymore and go back to actual RPG features.
Or alternatively, fix up the combat so it's enjoyable from an action perspective.
>go questing for the horn for my greybeard bros
>find nothing but a note
>Oh goddammit! I just went through this long, boring dungeon and tediously fought all those Dragr for nothing!
>doesn't believe im dragonborn
>have to go fight a dragon to prove it to her
>then I have to find Esbern for her
>but at least I get to go to a cool party first and slaughter those arrogant elf fuckers
>bring Esbern back
>we travel to what will be used as The Blades headquarters
>AW, FUCK YEAH! THIS MIGHT BE COOL, GOING ADVENTURIN WITH THIS TSUNDERE GIRL AND THIS PARANOID OLD MAN WHILE RUNNING MY OWN FACTION AND RECRUITING MEMBERS
>ITS GONNA BE JUST LIKE CLOUD RULER TEMPLE WHEN IM DONE WITH IT
>"oh, by the way. We want Paarthunax dead"
>installed a mod that let me kills essentials
>installed heartbreaker killmove mod
>using my super charged fiery glowing arm and ripped both of their still beating hearts out
Fuck that shit. I'm not killing Super Mario you gaylords
>are sort of exclusive
Nope, if you time it right you can run both. As well as House Telvanni and the Mages' Guild.
So is Skywind any good? Worth getting hype over?
Morrowind was clear on what you can or can't join. Certain factions don't like others, so you can't join 2 houses, or you can't join both fighters guild and thieves guild. There's a skill requirement, so Nerevarine needs to work his fucking way up every time. there's no free passes like in Oblivion or Skyrim.
I rule both guilds, and I'm not even a thief.
I blew up the Mages Guild though.
>Have fun with your Swedish chefs and Ahnold impersonators, feggot,
It doesn't matter if I want to have fun with them or not.
Fact is, that is THEIR homeland. You don't just fucking intrude upon someone homeland.
The Imperials may be content with being a bunch of spineless bitches who bended over for the Altmer, but that doesn't mean everyone wants that choice, and it seems the Nords would rather die in battle than suffer that fate.
I'd rather fight for a cause that hasn't given up their honor and beliefs, than a corrupted legion.
Completing thieves guild first will cause you to make fighters guild seperate from camonna tong, which makes eydis fire eye not give you the code book quest. Also, once youve done all thieves guild quests killing thieves guild leaders is fine.
Actually there's a bug you can exploit in older versions that lets you join House Hlaalu in addition to another house.
But who wants to be House Hlaalu's head, really.
do gods have chim?
would someone who has it be hypothetically more powerful than a Diety?
I'm more concerned about him being the champion of every deadric prince that's faffing about in Skyrim, and he's promising his soul, when he died, to each and everyone one of them.
>do gods have chim?
No. But you pretty much need to be one to get it, since achieving it relies on you having insane willpower and a really big ego.
>would someone who has it be hypothetically more powerful than a Diety?
Yes. In the whole cosmic tier thing, the gods are not that powerful.
There's much stronger and much worse out there.
Was anyone else pissed off by how largely ignored The Thalmor were?
>go meet Delphine to retrieve the horn
>she talks about how The Thalmor may have had a hand in bringing the dragons back
>Ulfric was already captured
>the war would have ended right there if the dragon didn't interrupt the execution
>she brings up that The Thalmor would be the ones who would most benefit from dragging the war on for as long as possible
>go to that Thalmor party to find information
>Thalmor are never fucking mentioned again
CHIM is limited, it's not absolute power.
Everything you do under CHIM has to be done according to your own whims and passions, you have to love what you're doing, not the end result. That's why Vivec doesn't just stroll into Red Mountain and kick the shit out of Dagoth Ur, it's not something he wants to do naturally. It hs to be done under Vivec's definition of live, passion.
was it morrowind or daggerfall where you had the option to not become head guild honcho
im pretty sure in Daggerfall you could put someone else in charge and it was pretty cool
Man, that Brhuce Hammar mod was fucking shit. A steam friend
some brony faggot who always links me reddit shitkept bugging me about it and it was just as bad as I expected from that.
The Skyrim modding scene is kind of awful. There's absolutely no quality content.
>Man, that Brhuce Hammar mod was fucking shit
What was bad about it.
but then Vivec could literally fuck Gods and they couldn't mess with him
Gods can't achieve CHIM, there is limit to immortality and Godhood, there is a reason why Lorkhan had to create Mortal plane
It's hard for an Ada to understand I am all and all is I because of their ego
>would someone who has it be hypothetically more powerful than a Diety?
Absolutely but being a CHIMster is danger to your own existence
You could chose not to become master of Telvanni, but in a later patch you got the option to change your mind. Also I think you could choose not to duel the grandmaster of the mages guild for the title which gave you more reputation points.
I dont think you could become guildmaster of any guilds in daggerfall, just a high ranking member
That's because his desire to fuck gods was selfish and entirely for himself. Him skullfucking Azura was for his own revenge, not for a greater purpose, which is why he could invoke CHIM.
This, very much. I'm so fucking tired of being the chosen one. I just want a well fleshed out, lush world to explore and adventure in. I want to be a grunt, or a trader or mercenary who makes my own fortune and gets a name by getting shit done rather than some fucking prophesy. I don't want to save the world, I want to live in it.
When are writers going to understand that it's infinitely more interesting to be part of something bigger rather than everything revolving around the player?
It was one lousy quest to go fetch a book in (surprise surprise!) another fucking Draugr infested dungeon
Then you bring it back, fake some verses that you cant read because the book is too faded, and watch some hippie faggots perform The Burning Man Festival.
Then you're "an official member of The Bards College"
I'm guessing there was a lot of cut content around it, considering at least one NPC in most Inns mention The Bards College.
What, you chicken?
Sofia has seven thousand endorsements.
He created the mod
CHIM is done out of love, love for yourself and everything, without love you can't do CHIM, you can't retain your I, you zerosumm.
CHIM is the most narcisistic thing ever and seeing how much Vivec loves himself, it's not surprising that he is good with CHIM.
exactly like the fucking namira quest, what retard at bethesda thought it was cool to make a conversation where some random fucking NPC tries to force cannibalism into the PC's backstory
literally every run-through of skyrim i do that quest just to kill that autistic bitch again and again
>I'm guessing there was a lot of cut content around it
Plans maybe. I've never found any cut stuff about the Bard's College in the files, and considering it still has code for burning down buildings and such, it must have been scrapped early.
Anyone here wants to join /tg/ TES campaign I might start soon?
My Steam if Lorkhatosh, add me if you want to join in.
All this talks about TES give me the thought of modding oblivion and actually play through it. Fucking love it but it was years ago and i dont think i remember a lot. Is there any way to make the game comfy with heavy emphasize on survival?
>where some random fucking NPC tries to force cannibalism into the PC's backstory
I think the point was she was trying to force that. Whether the player is a cannibal or not is up to them, otherwise it's some cock bitch going "Oh you're TOTALLY into eating bodies that's why you're exploring a crypt".
Shame the reward for killing her and her friends is fairly bad.
In what system? I haven't roleplayed in god knows how long, so I would very much enjoy this.
That is, if you're actually talking about a tabletop type thing at all and not something else.
>HURR WE, AS BLADES, ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LOYAL UNTIL DEATH TO YOU, DRAGONBORN
>BUT NOT UNTIL YOU KILL A DRAGON WHO HAS RENOUNCED HIS WAY OF CONQUER AND KILLING AND NOW TEACHES OTHER DRAGONS THIS WAY
Bethesda seems to cut down on RPG features. That's obvious.
But then why the fuck don't they make the combat better than "mash rightclick"? There's plenty of "first person slashers" they could get some inspiration from. They're a huge fucking company, for fucks sake, they could even just hire a few guys to do that for them.
Based Novajam letting me know firsthand how shitty the Nexus is without having to install cancer on my PC
Anyone else know of any other channels like this that posts videos of shitty mods?
Here is core rulebook
here is character sheet
I would really like to get Roll20 TES campaign going if we get enough people
He just decided to rest for a while, maybe for ever
We still need monster book, GM and player handbook and some anons are working on it but I guess it's possible to run campaign without them
Group and GM will have to stat monsters themselves though
Will you be joining this possible campaign Trainwiz?
Are there mods for guns in Skyrim?
I had to kill him to remove it from my quest log. Fuck me need to clear questlogs. Wish I could have said no and put the blades to the sword to do the quest like with dark brotherhood.