Are there any video games with endings that undermine the entire plot?
Entire plot shit the bed in the last hour of the game
All "Comstocks" die because Booker is drowned before he accepts the baptism.
Eh, I wouldn't call that undermining since the story continues with the original Elizabeth.
The plot just ignores the time-travelling paradox
>All "Comstocks" die because Booker is drowned before he accepts the baptism.
but then it also creates a parallel world where Booker was not drowned before becoming Comstock and this cause the events of the game happens.
IT DON'T EVEN FOLLOW IT'S OWN "LOGIC"
Yes, but what I'm saying is that, according to the way the game defines the rules of the multiverse there are still an INFINITE (more than a quadrillion trillion, literally an unending amount) of universes in which Booker isn't drowned. There are still trillions upon trillions of Comstocks out there.
Literally none of the events in the game matter because a single universe is completely insignificant.
Not only does it undermine the story, the original Elizabeth is still alive I believe, and there are a bunch of other parallel universes with Booker. That's what Burial at Sea is about I believe.
I haven't finished BAS yet, but it seems that Booker once again lost a girl due to gambling, and Elizabeth is there to help them reunite, probably because she's been through the same thing before, in the original game.
So Bioshock Infinite does not undermine itself at all.
The booker you play is a real Booker. He doesn't go through with the baptism, thus he isn't drowned out of existence.
It's more complicated. I hope you finished Bioshock 1.
They originally promised 16 different endings tailored to your choices throughout the 3 games.
They give you a choice of 3 endings that are not affected by your in-game choices.
THANKS FOR THE PILE OF SHIT EA
>We'll give you a choice on how to handle us, Shepard!
>Fuck, we'll just LET YOU kill us all at this moment, I don't even care.
>Or take control of us, that's cool too. I mean we only spent the last two games trying to kill you all, but whatever.
>Or we merge because... I don't fucking know, just because DON'T QUESTION IT.
Unfortunately there's nothing in the game to distinguish this other than "because the writer said so"
Especially with Burial at Sea which throws the whole entire "Drowning Booker killed all the Comstocks" theory out the window
What would have ultimately changed if she had simply died at the start?
who here has played any of the tak games, 90% of people ive asked dont know what this is and i really love this game the platforming is great, the music is godly, and the art in general is eye candy that makes you want to dry-gasm when you meet the artists
Well, I guess that's where
The only Comstocks that can be affected are those that drown by Elizabeths hands - and the Elizabeth of the BaS-booker died as a baby.
It's a bit far-fetched, though. Maybe the writers really didn't give a shit
>Maybe the writers really didn't give a shit
didn't the director outright state that he only out in the time travel bullshit to make the game seem "smart"
like what Hideo did with the Big Shell crap in MGS2?
I was digging it till the true ending. Fuck that bullshit
>>Ten years later you still fail to see the majesty of this game
because it was boring and dull having to draw my ass off. It was such a let down from FF7 and 9
never read/saw Watchmen
Assassin's Creed 3.
The ending of the game literally goes against everything you've learned about the Assassins vs Templar conflict (aka, freedom vs control) and is essentially a bad end in the eyes of every single one of your ancestors, your allies and literally everyone with a brain.
With Control you literally become a god.
On my second playthrough I've come to terms with that conclusion.
Space Jesus, died in game 1, was resurrected from the dead 3 years later in 2, ascended to godhood in 3.
>NO FUCKING BLACKWELL
THE MOTHERFUCKING BLACKWELL SERIES
THAT SHIT WAS AMAZING UP UNTIL THE FULL RETARD ENDING, SHIT
At least I can appreciate their value as adventure games, still. The plot up until the ending of the fifth game is interesting enough.
Also, you should still play them.
It's been awhile since I read Watchmen, but Manhatten could see the future up to a certain point as Tachyons emitted from what is assumed to be a Nuclear blast goes backwards in time and completely shrouds his future-vision-powers.
Where the fuck does that come up in Bioshock Infinite?
>It was such a let down from...9
8 comes before 9 you jackass
>dull having to draw my ass off
Mass Effect had Mako segments, Thief had zombie segments, Human Revolution had those boss fights. Only an entitled shitlord thinks an entire game sucks because of one flawed feature.
>8 comes before 9 you jackass
I got my PS1 late (FF9 just came out) and FF7 was on the PC
>Only an entitled shitlord thinks an entire game sucks because of one flawed feature.
that is a key gameplay mechanic
>the mytical Vault has bountiful treasure beyond your wildest dreams!
>its just a bullet sponge tentacle monster that drops some cash and then you get a black screen
Fucking bullshit, I tell ya. So bad it made me hate a game (and series) that I otherwise enjoyed.
Basically, you "have the choice"
you can't choose anything elseof either taking a solar blast to the face that is so powerful it will send the world back into a "stone age" OR you can free Juno, who will stop the solar blast from frying everything, then proceeds to enslave mankind because of reasons.
Desmond chooses to free Juno.
Pretty much yeah. I still don't know why I accept that Big Boss shit as canon when none of it makes any fucking sense and retcons everything.
MGS is all about Snake defying his fate, or taking it into his own hands. he gets plaed like a bitch in MGS1 by everyone, but fights for what he believes in, or for Meryl so it's ok. MGS2, the Patriots control the flow of information, but Snake tells Raiden "You are whoever you want to be, because post-modernism." MGS4 would have been Snake not turning into a biological time-bomb, but he chose to kill himself before he let that happen.
No check the scene where the Elizabeths show up to drown booker. Those elizabeths are from world where ahe already tried to kill combstock. One of those elizabeths was the one at the beheading of anna. Burial at sea 1 is the result of elizabeth earlier attempts to figure out how to get rid of comstock.
Holy fucking shit the ending made me mad as fuck
>protag is a descendant of THE most powerful being in the history of the galaxy and is able to tap into the power
>old faggot calls you a "commoner" while they take Kisala away
I'm still fucking mad to this day.
Far Cry 3 if you picked the "good" ending
>WOO YEAH KILLING FEELS AWESOME
>Shit I'm a monster I shoved my thumb in my bro's bullet wound what the fuck
>20 minutes later
>FUCK YEAH I LOVE KILLING PEOPLE WITH THIS HELICOPTER GUNSHIP TO RIDE OF THE VALKYRIES
>5 minutes later
>Oh no killing horrible I'm such a bad person
Fuck you Jason Brody
They aren't aware that the timeline branches. And correct me if I'm wrong if there has been an official statement, but the timeline branching isn't set, as in they all actually happen. They can be taken more as "What if...X" hypotheticals and the player just gets to glimpse the arc/play out the story as if it did happen.
Not an ending, per se, but it's certainly relevant to this topic
4 is possible because at the end of 4, juno basically says "the world wasn't ready for me to take over yet, so i'm gonna wait a bit"
it was the most blatant infinite milking excuse i think i've ever seen, and while i already felt bad for people who actually followed the story after 3, i really felt bad for them after 4, since the only way they will ever see anything resembling a resolution to the story is if the games stop making a profit and ubisoft has to kill off the series. the fact that fanboys still defend that shit is unbelievable
And the war effort thing was pointless, it could have come into play in the extended ending, where you can reject all the options, instead rejecting the 3 retarded endings is "LOL YOU LOST"
I'm usually the first one to defend characters having their own dialogue, but at that moment I would have loved an option to say "I AM A LIVING GOD GIVE ME YOUR PRINCESS SO I MAY IMPREGNATE HER"
This. This is my problem with most multiverse plots.
I'm ok with fixing our own universe because we're living in it (by our, I mean the one the protagonists are in)... but when we start fixing the problems of more than one, I start thinking "hey, what about all those universes where the Earth got hit by a meteor and all life died, and the ones where the Nazi's won WW2, and all those other much worse ones."
>probably the most over powered character in all of fiction, and he squanders it
Except for every fucking Marvel and DC character, and they're much less realistic about what they do with it.
>This is an introduction to the history of Hyrule, told chronologically, which weaves together the numerous Legend of Zelda stories. Is it a legend? Is it an accurate history of a cycle of rebirth? There is evidence that the story of The Legend of Zelda begins with Skyward Sword.
>This chronicle merely collects information that is believed to be true at this time
Can you point me to where it says that they all happen? I think it's open to interpretation about what actually does happen and (until shown otherwise) believe that the split timelines are "what if" scenarios.
eh that's basically what happens you bioware loving faggot.
Well here is a quote from the Hyrule Historia that leads me to believe that different timelines are in fact simply possibilities, not parallel timelines with different occurrences.
>If the Hero of Time is defeated, a different timeline will unfold. (Turn to page 92.)
Note the 'if' part, which I would assume implies that none of the timelines "happen" but if they did theoretically happen, that's how the events on that timeline would be placed.
>none of it makes any fucking sense and retcons everything.
It makes perfect sense before and there have only been minor retcons.
>MGS4 would have been Snake not turning into a biological time-bomb, but he chose to kill himself before he let that happen.
The MGS saga as a whole seems to be conveying the theme that everyone is constrained by destiny and has to make the best of it with what they can. That's why despite Snake being optimistic in MGS1/2, he ends up being manipulated and controlled all the way until the end of MGS4 and is basically a tool. It's also why Bis Boss will eventually fall from grace and become a mad villain despite Elisa believing in him and him trying to fight for peace.
Where is it stated that it strictly has the meaning that there are parallel universes? Where does it state that they aren't simply possible outcomes and that each timeline actually exists?
But 'possible outcomes' is what parallel worlds precisely means. That's one theoretical idea of what parallel worlds are. That the one you get to experience validates each world.
No one thinks any of it makes any fucking real sense. MGS series is a popcorn flick. Do you think kojima cares about the series? He has been trying to get out of it since MGS1.
E.Y.E: Divine Cybermancy (maybe?)
The Old Republic
Mass Effect 3
Metal Gear Solid 4
Game is a massive pile of shit. The only thing going for it was the character driven story until they pull some bullshit with a twist ending. The game just fucking stops and we get nothing from it.
M Night Shamalamadingdong would cringe
There really isnt a better example of this this than Mass Effect 3
Not only did it undermine the story of it's own game, it undermines the story of an ENTIRE TRILOGY.
AND on top of that, for those who followed the story and found out for themselves, the had to make a $180 investment overall AT LEAST
It's just shit on all levels, "undermine" is a gross exxageration
>There's an infinite number of universes where each of us are Comstock
>In an infinite number of those we are named Comstock
>In a vastly larger infinite number of those we are named something else entirely, but commit the same acts.
>There is currently an infinite number of mes typing this exact same message, but with different hair styles
>Reading the English one
There's no if in the Japanese version. That's an issue of translation and temporal language in English. In Japanese, this issue doesn't arise, and there is no conditional language.
>Charles Lee burned down my village and killed my mother
>What's that? Lee is innocent and it was Washington who did it?
>Gee, I better kill Lee anyway and then play bocce ball with G-Wash (this actually happens)
the ending (illuminati shit) was the worst part. But because it was the plot to the original game, they had to include it.
Giving a choice to how things turn out for a fucking prequel is stupid as well because there is already a canonical "correct" answer.