So why did this franchise get pushed away by Pokemon?
Digimon, when it started was relatively big, Digimon World and Adventure are still remembered rather fondly.
So what happened?
Well, the games all tried different stuff, sometimes rather unsuccessfully instead of building up a stable fanbase for them, since quality varied from shit to great.
Most of Adventure was improvised after the Myotismon arc, since they did not expect it to succeed and Adventure 02, while remembered fondly of those who grew up with it and did not rewatch it, partly killed the anime franchise by being terrible in almost every way.
The following season, Tamers then got rid of the previous cast, causing kids to drop it, although it is arguably the best season and a good anime by itself.
It also should be noted that the English dub for all of Digimon is atrocious, messing with the music, script, adding terrible puns and being censored to fuck.
The seasons that followed did nothing to revive the franchise.
Well, what happened on Pokemon's side?
Well, Nintendo had actual marketing strategy behind what they did, the Gameboy games were well marketed, had the whole collect everything thing going on as well as encouraging to fight and trade your friends, as well as being split in two to maximize profits.
They also got an anime earlier, which resulted in kids thinking Digimon was a rip-off. It is also quite possible they saw what happened what happened to Digimon with the cast switch from Adventure to Tamers, which caused them to forever use Ash and Pikatchu forever, which is why the Pokemon anime is so terrible and isn't allowed to go anywhere.
The games were always pretty much stayed the same and had small upgrades over time, while having questionable quality, considering a terrible amount of time is spent mashing A simply to get through the "story" and random encounters.
The two had similar themes, but handled them differently, one played it safe, the other didn't.
lets change that
>Merging the Cyber Sleuth petition with Re:Digitize
Its such a shit idea.
Imagine if they localized Cyber Sleuth, it would very fucking likely fail because its a turnbased grinder like Dusk/Dawn, which was utter shit.
Only Re:Digitize has any chance to succeed
suck a dick nigger
Digimon world 3 was a turn based grinder and was freaking awesome.
Dusk/Dawn was shit because first, it was for a shitty handheld that was already taken by pokemon, which it tried to copy with the A/B bullshit of releasing 2 versions of the same game.
and second, it looked like garbage with its 16bit graphics or whatever.
we might as well try
Digimon World 3 was fine because it had a nice setting, a card game within it that was fucking great and an actual storyline.
Still had its back broken by grinding and backtracking
Lack of consistency.
I never again want to watch my Rodent digivolve into a snake, then into a guy in a bull costume, and finally into a dragon. If they just nailed down the consistency, it would have had a much better base for future games to stand on.
I will most likely never play Digimon again, and will continue to buy whatever new Pokemon comes out. All while knowing in my heart, that Digimon could be so much better
>Waaaaah, they changed things in muh anime
Pokemon was handled by 4kids, the company all weebs hate because of muh censorship and generally known for changing everything.
So that isn't really an excuse.
The quality of the Pokemon anime isn't its selling point, it exists wherever or not people hate it.
The Digimon anime had to stand on its own feet because they didn't understand the anime would sell games
It had no solid identity., It's was a 3d tamagochi(World), then its a dungeon crawler(world 2), then it's copying pokemon's gameplay and elements (world 3), then diablo(world 4), then Dragon Quest(dusk/dawn).
I remember seeing two or three episodes of the anime, and then it just seemed to completely dissapear. I don't think anyone I knew had heard of this and I only found out the name a few years ago.
People like 1
People hate 2
People love 3
People are so-so about 4
Some people love 5, most found it okay, some hate it with a passion
People are on the fence about 6
fuck time hunters
It didn't get pushed away by pokemon it just ran it's course and never tried to attract new younger fans. /v/ and /co/ are the only people still obsessed with Digimon and you guys are a rapidly aging crowd.
>implying a digimon game would sell at all in 2014
Not Cyber Sleuth or Re;Digitize is gonna sell well and it'll prove without a shadow of a doubt to namco bandai that this whole thing was a colossal waste of time. Just move on folks
From the radio drama
Ruki to Renamon
This is Ruki. It’s Ruki. 
Renamon… you’re horrible.
I know it’s not your fault. But you really… you really are horrible. You suddenly turned smaller and went back home… and you said convenient things like, “We’ll see each other again” and—
…Sorry. I know I’m the one who’s saying horrible things. I know. Ever since then… I’ve been feeling like a shell. Every day, it feels like time is going by really slowly. I was simply being single-minded back then, but the time I spent with you strung me up somehow. I don’t know which is better for me now.
Those fights, when my life was put into danger numerous times… To be honest, I don’t feel like I want to do them again. But… then… what should I do? I don’t even feel like playing card fights anymore.
Lately, I’ve been getting along pretty well with Grandma… and Mom… It’s still kinda strange though. It’s not that I don’t like it… I think… But you know, I don’t feel like I’ve just lost my partner Digimon.
I… Maybe this will sound strange, coming from me, but… Renamon, you only stayed with me at first and followed my orders to make yourself stronger in battle… right? It was the same for me. It was my top priority as your Tamer to make you stronger and… actually, that was my only reason.
But, after staying together all this time, and going to the Digital World together, and becoming one, and evolving… When we became Sakuyamon, I remember a warm feeling surrounding me. A warmth that I’d never felt before.
It sort of felt like… the big sister I never had. That’s what I felt from you, Renamon. Strange, isn’t it? [laughs smally] Even I think so…
[struggling] Hey, Renamon. I… wanted… to talk with you more. I’ve become able to talk normally with Grandma and Mom these days, but… not about everything. You were so similar to me, Renamon… but you aren’t me. You’re much… much stronger. That’s why I feel like you’re my big sister. Although that’s just a recent thought of mine.
That’s why… I wanted to talk to you about so many things. Not just about battles, but like… about my late father… and stuff. [laughs smally] I guess you wouldn’t really understand stuff like that, but… you were the one who understood my feelings the best.
Thanks to you, I realized what my true self wanted to say, as well as the things I really wanted. I’m sure that, now… I can become much more honest with myself. I think I’ll be able to speak honestly with you about my feelings.
In the confusion when we parted… it was only intuitive to me, but there was one thing that I understood then… that we can’t be separated from each other like this. That’s why… I couldn’t say goodbye to you, Renamon. I couldn’t smile and say that we’d meet again.
I felt so frustrated with myself after that. It was kinda pitiful.
I don’t even have a clear idea about my own future, so I couldn’t believe it. I couldn’t believe I’d just become an adult like this. I felt so disgusted with myself. I couldn’t help it.
The person that I am right now… I hate her.
What should I do?
Should I act like Takato and the others, and live positively with hope while believing that we’ll meet again?
… Don’t ask for the impossible.
Even I know… that things can’t stay like this. I’m sick of thinking hesitantly every day. If I’m not living for fighting, then… I must learn to just live here in the present and enjoy the air that surrounds me.
Probably cause they kept changing their game formula so they'd lose and gain fans in between where pokemon kept it where it was and probably held onto its fans longer cause of familiarity?
>Renamon was voiced by a man in the German version
first, weapons, you fought with weapons instead of digimon powers.
second, there were no digievolutions, none that mattered anyway, digievolutions were merely "costumes" rewarded to you for doing long ass dungeons
the whole concept of 4 player game was nice but it was pulled off completely wrong for digimon.
4 was the biggest disappointment in the digimon series
let me develop on the weapons point.
all weapons were shit except guns, which hilariously, were better melee weapons than melee weapons themselves all the while having long range attacks that stunned and pushed enemies back, literally making the game a cakewalk and all weapon types useless, just gun through everything.
waste of potential: the game.
i never even had more than 4 friends at the same time to play it
German Renamon actually pulled off the role very well, the VA is and was very proficient.
Also made shipping easier
>Unrelated reaction images
>Not telling newfags what the audio drama is
>Not just leaving the saddest part.
Here is how the copypasta is done right
Pokemon had a better american opening theme song.
all of south america loved the everliving shit out of digimon.
of course we don't really matter, as far as superior nippon gives a shit, we're still nothing but jungle and tribes, but hey, theres lots of money waiting for them down here.
if we could make the uberkikes holding the shares of bamco realize that, maybe we'd have a better chance.
thats just because the american opening of digimon was pure shit
i've said exactly fucking this for years, and nobody listened.
Hey at least the pokemon anime is finally improving
>No more motherfucking speedline
Koji Wada, regularly comes to sing around in south american anime events, at least once a year or so, and he sings it in both languages.
the problem with bamco is what i said before, they still think that south america is a big jungle with no civilization in it, if they only did a LITTLE marketing they'd sell the games pretty well down here
Call me when they get rid of Ash and have actual character development.
But even then, Pokemon doesn't allow monsters to talk and is afraid as fuck to touch mature themes
Does anyone know if Re-Digitize for PSP is any good? It looks pretty cool and unless they localize the 3DS version for Western release I'll never get it b/c 3DS is fuckin' region locked.
>it has another side that loves gambling, and since it really loves Russian roulette, it is likely to overlook even a Virus Digimon if it can get through Russian roulette, and is unable to hate them for a little while
Who's your favorite Digimang?
There's a screencap about how Digimon can be discussed on tons of boards. I don't have it, so have this instead,
I like a lot of the beast and dragon-looking digimon. My favorite when I was a kid was Wargreymon. Dorumon, Wizardmon, Magnadramon, Flamedramon, Gabumon, Megadramon are a couple I really like.
Never played Digimon games, but do they have the same large world and battles with other people, etc.? This is what kept me interested in Pokemon games, at least up to the third generation which I liked the most.
If they have something similar or better I'd like to try it out.
The ones with actual on-screen chemistry of course
I've preferred Hosoda's films over Miyazaki over all. Not just the livelier animation, but he writes better stories as well. The only exception to this is Summer Wars, which was essentially Bokura no Wargame.
Who is the best partner and why is it Gomamon?
We just don't know.
Be a kid, Digimon and Pokemon are the thing at the time, have friends who are Digimon fans or Pokemon be the only one who liked both, they ask you "which do you like more?"
Because the fanbase is fucking autistic and keeps making shitty threads like these. No one gives a shit about the dead franchise and they are a pretty big cancer on 4chan. I tried to shitpost their general on /m/ by calling out takarifags and it seemed to derail the thread. They are the fucking worst.
Digimon, i'd rather have no friends than autistic pokefaggots
REMOVE POKEFAG FROM THE PREMISES
POKEFAG YOU ARE THE HOMO SMELL YOU ARE WORST MON POKEFAG GENOCIDE BEST DAY OF MY LIFE
digimon had much more mature themes.
being the leet badass kid I was, playing games like sanitarium and, planescape, lok soul reaver, doom, quake, etc. I didn't have time for kiddy shit like pokemon.
Why would you sexualize Agumon?
Also fuck you for saying you would hurt Gomamon.7/10 I'm mad right now.
Why would you kick someone so
Anyone else played Digimon World Data Squad?
How can you fuck up so bad? The game had everything it needed to be interesting and fun and then they decided you have to fight against the same Rookie Digimon forever, even though your Digimon are already all Ultra Level. You still got enough XP, but only because there was a random encounter every 3 steps.
which was your favorite starter team in digimon world 3?
Also, can we talk about the lost potential of 02, fucking hate the series, but had its feelsy moments like ken's backstory and Chutulu's dimension
They both have their ups and downs in terms of games, animes, and the like. I'd consider them equal, tbh.
Please explain how Digimon games are good
The gameplay consists of mashing A to get through random encounters and the """story""" is even worse
Digimon World 1 and Re:Digitize have decent gameplay and okay story
Digimon World 3 has shit combat but a decent storyline
Of course you can cherrypick Digimon games as much as you like, since they're all different and not cashgrabs like Pokemon
>get told the truth
>get this butthurt
>cherrypick this bad
i cant even cherrypick pokemon games to call them bad, because they're all THE SAME EXACT GAME with different colors, talking about main series here correct?
don't even get me started on shovelware level garbage like Snap and Coliseum
One of the best episodes was the early episode with the giant robot pokemon, because of the subtitled pokemon talk.
After that? Fuck you never gonna do it again. God forbid we get to see how any of the team rocket pokes that isn't Meowth feels about anything.
Digimon Rumble Arena is fucking great, I don't know what you're talking about.
>rehashes are bad, games must always change to be better
Did your ass get whooped by this game?
Your argument is shit when you defend a turnbased grinder with a laughable story that gets split into two each year to maximize profits
>anyone can have a pokemon
>only the chosen can have a digimon
The very premise digimon potrays is elitist and isolating. Hell the anime outright shows how emotionally fucked up the characters become throughout the series. Often times the characters only find happiness at the end when they're grown up and out of the digital world.
As good as the Digimon anime was it's no wonder the franchise never caught on.
>i will literally spend 120 dollars and 400 hours of my life everytime nintendo releases a new pieceofshitmon with NEW COLORS
>i don't know any other colors, so lets start re-rehashing!
>supergold/superplatinum or whatever this one was called i cant be bothered to remember them all
>we're out of colors, quick think of something
>i know! repacks that combine games in groups
>diamond (or whatev, i cant remember this one either)
>shit we're out of things again, we need more money from these stupid shit eaters, miyamoto think of something!
every single game i mentioned just now is the same EXACT game with a few added gimmicks, like pokemonammie, people defend this, and eat this shit up, and then they complain about rehashes on PC and how sony and microsoft rehash shooters
As the animes go on it actually relaxes the requirements to get a digiman of your very own.
In the third season, when other kids get exposed to being around digimans, they get teamed up with the first nice one they meet.
The emotional shit is because they actually come across some darker shit, of course it will fuck with them they're only kids.
Digimon friend here. That game actually was pretty good though. I've played every pokemon game and can say Digimon worlds are more fun. I enjoy both but I would claim Digimon is better
>oh man I'll go and befriend my digimon and have tourneys and shit!
>digimon battles!! oh and fusing together with my digimon using my matrix ultra digi evolution!!!
Stay mad, Digifaggot.
It may be isolating in the beginning, but at the end of
02Everyone gets a digimon. Maybe watch the entire series before you complain next time.
>haha guys, all Mario games are the same because you jump and gather coins!
>haha guys, all FPS games are the same because you shoot at shit from a 1st person view
>haha guys, all racers are the same because you keep pressing A to go forward and win the face!
>im eating this delicious shit omnomnom stay mad digifaggot!
and, you know, an actual story, a thing pokeshit will NEVER EVER have because its garbage.
>muh 8 gyms
>muh shitty theme park afterwards
every pokeshit game i've ever played, i stopped at emerald because they were all shit.
>an actual story
>wanting STORY in fucking Pokemon
>implying Digimon stories aren't deviantart autism as well
Keep sucking that Namco dick and begging them to localize your putrid, irrelevant games
Not him, but:
>Digimon world 1
Classic "kid kidnapped by digital world SOS signal". Save digiland while bonding and trainging your mon while building up a settlement where civilized mons can live in harmony.
>Digimon world 2
Big human settlement. Get a tank and the capacity for multiple digimans. Solve problems, using your digimans to fight asshole warlords and also exploring/shooting shit with your tank.
>Digimon world 3
Digiland is now an MMO. Also now everyone is stuck in the MMO. Go to save everyone who got stuck. Also, have some fun since this is still a goddamn video game. Have a kickass cardgame to go with it. Bonus: Digivolve back and forth from rookie to other forms!
>Defending a kids franchise that gets milked more than Call of Duty
>Implying the Digimon anime didn't have good storylines
>Implying the games storylines weren't better than Pokemon's joke of a story
Good job, its not like you know anything about Digimon at all
no consistency in the show
very few of the games were any good
'just a copy of pokemon'
and to be frank, there's only 2 god tier digigirls, while the worst pokegirl is great tier
you know all he wants to do is start shit and argue right?
Stop wasting the goddamn postcount by letting have what he wants.
Also, my favorite is
commandromon, aka callofdutymon
>>Implying the Digimon anime didn't have good storylines
MAN OH MAN WE MUST DEFEAT THIS EVIL BEING THREATENING TO DESTROY THE DIGIMON WORLD USING THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP OF US, THE CHOSEN KIDS!!
>"Oh, you and [insert rival here] must go on an adventure to complete the pokedex, get the 8 badges of [insert region here], and become the champion."
>"Oh no! [Evil Group] wants to [insert bad or harmful thing here] to the [region]! Go stop them, [protagonist]!"
>Most of the time they want to use a legendary's power to do said bad thing
>"Oh, you beat [insert bad group here], good job! Now go beat the Elite 4!"
>"Go fight your rival now since you beat the E4!"
Just described all the mainline pokemon games in one post. It's the same thing over and over yet people still like and defend it. At least give Digimon props for trying something different, for Pete's sake.
And I like both series, to be honest.
Only the first Digimon season was any good and most Digimon games are shit.
An unstable franchise was meant to be doomed
this is why we only have digimon threads on /co/, pokeshiters always ruin them with their inferior shovelware garbage with no soul
The third season went like this
>Digimans causing shit in the background, kids gotta fight it off. Also the govmnt is p.shitty
>Fuck friendship. Digimons run off of pure emotion power. They only team up because dying doesn't sound very cool.
>Some big assholes show up because they're tired of their minions not getting the job done
>Cat is out of the bag because the big assholes are too big to fight in a back alley
>Find and use a digiportal to go fuck them up at the source
>Get distracted by eldrich fuckoff that gets release while they tangle with the head asshole
>Have to go back to try to get it out of the real world
>It feeds off of the negative emotions of one kid whos digiman died, and they already had enough of those to begin with
>Kids don't even fix the problem, they have to hunt down the coders who made it all to begin with so they can fix it
Because ever since Fox Kids was shot in the head, Bandai has been running around like a turkey with a brain tumor having no idea how to market the franchise properly and pissed themselves when Pokemon was around. If it weren't for their shit, we could've gotten more Digimon games or even Agumon in Smash Brothers
Fuck Bamco. Worse company then Capcom could ever be
Tamers is good, so I have no clue what you're going on about.
Oh, shit, you're right.
But my point remains, pokemon is recycled shit for easy to fool people
and I can't stop playing it.
>Implying I watch it for shitnamon
I like Tamers for multiple reasons, but one of them isn't fantasizing about Renamon.
It's true that the requirements are laxed but often times the privilege of having a digimon is given only to childrn.
The problem is I 've watched the first 4 seasons to completion. And as I said before while the anime is good.
But it's the elitism and emotionally charged situations does in.
Not many children want to deal that kinda of shit, hell not many adults want to deal with it either.
Pokemon is a easy pill to swallow because it's premise is based on social equality. Yeah you might not be a great trainer or become champion but at least you are not barred from having pokemon.
Who cares when you got the best series right here
>the fucking referee appearing out of nowhere every single fucking time
>get two Mega level digimons
>use them up to get two others to the Ultimate level and actually try to take out the bad guy
The children thing I will concede, but for that I'd say that they're just easier to milk for EMOTION POWER so it just sticks on kids easier.
As for the social equality thing of pokemon, that doesn't come up very often if at all. Then again I haven't watched any of the recent episodes so it might be different.
OH YEAH, WELL I HAVE SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY BEEN JUST AS COOL
Well the social equality thing is more or less an undertone for pokemon. Just as isolation is a undertone in digimon.
The best way to notice those undertones is through the interactions the parents have with their children and digimon/pokemon.
Honestly. I think the American dub is good. The sub isn't BAD and it's pretty good in it's on right reaally. But the dub captures what I think made Digimon a good kids show. The light heartedness and the childish and silly humor.
I know everyone will say I'm just using buzzwords and ebin me mes. But the grimdark edgelord feeling of the original and Tamers isn't for me. As a kid or grown up I really enjoy 3 bean salad...but I only have one bean.
Eh, digimon also really pushes the whole good emotion/bad emotion schtick.
Like in tamers. At first, you have the digimans doing the whole data absorption thing, and the kids are using the cards. That's because at first there really isn't a bond, they're just pets or tools to the kids at the time. Once they move past that and start thinking less "my X" and more "my friend the X", they start dropping that shit because in every series, digimon are supercharged by human emotion.
And of course, you always have that one episode where someone gets negative enough to have their mon have a "Bad" evolution. And it always ends up an unstoppable hellbeast. Granted, it also goes on a rampage, but what would you do if you were filled with so much power that your body couldn't handle it?
Honestly, to think the English dub is anything but shit with the censoring, the fucked up character arcs and plots, cheesy puns and the shit music is downright delusional
except for 02, that fucked everything digimon with that "worse than ME3 ending" ending.
One thing i kinda realized in Digimon Adventure is that skullgreymon was borned from fear, the opposite element of Tai
CourageI wonder how the rest of the digimons would have turned out with their opposite elements.
Every time I see this it just makes me want to watch Summer Wars instead.
I don't understand the hate over english dubbed anime. Didn't the creators of digimon in particular also have the final say on whether they wanted a particular voice actor? I heard they did. So saying it's not "true to the original" is kind of silly considering the creators themselves decided who would voice characters in their respective languages.
The only thing that irks me is the writing/censoring. As far as the voices go, I can't understand why anyone who doesn't understand japanese would want to listen to it constantly while reading subtitles. All the voices sound so similar to me and frequently it's annoying because I don't understand a fucking thing they are saying.
Do anime fags LITERALLY enjoy listening to a language they can't understand while reading text? It works for 'foreign films' because actors aren't putting on ridiculous voices, but this is a cartoon. It sounds fucking insane.
>Didn't the creators of digimon in particular also have the final say on whether they wanted a particular voice actor?
No, you retard.
Just see >>253837058 for differences in quality and voice acting
I dunno about the original writers having say in the voice cast. But s for your next question. Yes. anime fags would rather listen to "muh original" voices over dub.
Seriously, they dont even KNOW if the voice cast is GOOD in the subs, but they'll defend it until the day the weeb leaves them.
I might give it a whirl. Same people who did Summer Wars. It's very feels-heavy though, but is fucking masterfully executed (except for one 5-10 second scene that really, REALLY didn't need to be in there)
Yes, those are opinions you fucking retard. Do you not know the MEANING of the word? The only thing that's not an opinion is the plot/arcs being changed. Holy shit this guy doesn't understand English.
Not that guy but I have. Wolf Children, Summer Wars, The Girl Who Leapt Through Time. That guy makes amazing stuff.
don't forget imminent rape
Not him, but I recently started playing this. Got andromon on my first serious go without letting my mon die thrice. Just got to the jungle.
This is just so nice to play. It's tamagotchi the game
There was this fact. Pokemon was a videogame that produced an anime to build its customer
Digimon was a toy that turned into a manga/anime that released games. The thing was, the products were all independent of each other.
In pokemon, you could act out the show with the games or see the game played out in the show.
With digimon, there was no such synergy. Digimon digital pet wasn't like the manga. The anime wasn't like the game. The games were their own thing.
Pokemon had a way better united front with their shit